Brick Miner Posted February 3, 2007 Author Posted February 3, 2007 Thanks to you Brick Miner, I'm gonna try to make my own theme. I might not be able to make them that good, seeing I don't have any WW pieces. ( I was born in 1996 ) All my WW pieces were recieved through car boot sales. Anyway, thanks.EA, your reply suggests you are planning a WW theme all your own. am i reading that right ???if so, im excited to see what come of it !!! WW is a great theme with lots of possiblities, i think you'll have some fun. *y* *y* *y* ------------------------------------------------ the stagecoach itself doesn't work for me. It seems too tall and boxy as well as looking like a few components in different colours rather than a blended whole...thanks for leaving some feedback norro !!!im hearing a lot of "boxy" and im not sure that is exactly the right word (or maybe it is, and i don't understand), because isn't a stage coach a box on wheels :-D now, if you look at the image askua posted, the red cabin is a perfect box, with rounded bottom corners (which i did). however, i do understand too tall, and maybe that is making the box frame of the coach look of out place. i'd like to discuss more on this !!! I forgot the main suggestion I intended to make... The horses are attached to the stage in a very strange way. If you replaced the white bricks on their backs with black (as lego often did) it would do more to imply a harness from the side...ah, you know i do recall LEGO using this technique... sometimes im so stuck in the WW i forget to look outside my theme for inspiration and technique :-D i was using the money carriage in GOLD COITY JUNCTION as a starting point, which doesn't apply this technique. however, your right, using black bricks would look much better with the white horses.thanks !!! ------------------------------------------------ Another nitpick I can point out is the whip...well, that is a nitpick :-P now, about the dynamite... it's interesting that both you and 007 have pointed this out, as for me, it would have never even crossed my mind. see, i interpret that piece to be a stick of dynamite, not a stick of lit dynamite. i mean, if you are playing that piece as being an active explosive, then the sticks of dynamite placed in the general store (via the instructions) are about to blow up the place !!! i think LEGO intended those to just be dynamite, and they are drawn with sparks to make it more "action packed". but maybe you already knew this and were trying to be funny, and i am just being stange *wacko* :-D ------------------------------------------------ Please don't get me wrong BM. It's not bad. I just think it's a little boxy and after reading Phes's comments, I tend to agree with him. Maybe the tall sloped brown bricks in the front and back give it a bit of a seige tower look. It really isn't the "historic accuracy" that I'm looking for, just a combination of similarity to existing WW Lego and the overall WW look.gottcha B, the comments are appriciated.I bet the coach would look rather large next to a Lego WW building. On a plus side, it has very nice detail and playability that you always seem to be good at adding.yes, it is rather large, especially next to SHERIFF'S LOCK-UP.you know, i have always been disappointed that the official WW LEGO city was not very tall (one of my few grips). i mean, all three structures are pretty much the same size, and only one level/room. now, im not asking for skyscrappers, but variable heights always make for more visual appealing presentation. as a result, all of my MOCing attempts have ended up in multiple story buildings !!! note: im probably going to get "dinged" for building a three story train station ;-) . however, using this technique has been quite successful in improving the overall "shape" of the city. consiquently, STAGE COACH HOLD-UP looks supurb next to the larger structures, like GUNSLINGERS SALOON. all-in-all, the height comes down the the concept of building a coach around the dressed lady. In regard to your MOCs, most of what I've seen from you have been part of your Ghost Town collection. They're much more "playful" than the types of MOCs that I've done (like your ghosty cactus). I think this is were we differ. It is nice to see you drift away from your ghost town and I'm looking forward to seeing your Legoredo Station.yes, the ghost town is obviously where we differ the most !!!I would never be able to tell that your camera isn't good in looking at your MOCs. The images of your MOCs seem very sharp and clear (I don't think my camera captures my MOCs that well), unless your really doing a lot of photo-editing. I would like to see the real thing though to get a "true" idea of what your MOCs look like.andAnd like The Brickster suggested, do you have any non edited images of your MOC showing different angles and aspects of it?boy, you guys aren't going to me off on this one !!!------------------------------------------------ Please take my comments constructively, as I've used them from other Eurobrick members to improve my MOCs as well.and thanks for expanding on your review of my stage coach, that is appriciated !!! i have no problem taking comments constructively... but as with anything, it's always considerate to mention things you like about the piece, as well as things you would change... or at least acknowledge the hard work or inspiriation behind the piece of work.i admit, i may have gotten a little defensive when all i read was "im not sure about this one, BM" :-$ but it's all good, and i am glad to have the feedback... to put it in perspective, i am working on a revamp of GUNSLINGERS SALOON. i felt you and norror provided some great feedback for my premier MOC. thanks B !!! -------------------------------------------------- It is the best stagecoach I've seen to date and the most detailed too, actuallythanks for saying so GR !!!- BrickMiner Quote
Norro Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 thanks for leaving some feedback norro !!!im hearing a lot of "boxy" and im not sure that is exactly the right word (or maybe it is, and i don't understand), because isn't a stage coach a box on wheels :-D now, if you look at the image askua posted, the red cabin is a perfect box, with rounded bottom corners (which i did). however, i do understand too tall, and maybe that is making the box frame of the coach look of out place. i'd like to discuss more on this !!! I was only waiting to respond until I had looked it a couple of times, because while I love constructive feedback, it really should refer to something specifically... As to the too boxy; I put this down to one of those invisible groupings of lego fans/builders. I fall in the caricature camp that appreciates realism but realizes ('thinks' ;-) X-D ) that the only way to fully achieve this in lego is via caricature, to imply something rather than copy it exactly... I think you fall more in the pure realism camp*. For example when I go to build a fence in my model it may not look very like a real fence (perhaps less posts, perhaps a very different height) but I hope that in the total context of the MOC you look and say 'that looks so real'. That's my artistic liberty. The same liberty would add some sleek curves to the stage coach (unlike the picture) but try and keep people saying 'look at the stage coach'... *Although you're a hybrid X-D as most of them use piece counts far greater than lego and would MOC in a similar way to mini-land (which I don't care for on the whole). For a specific fix suggestion (I never do this, but I know you are mature enough to take/leave/enjoy/hate) I would keep the box (realism) but perhaps in only one colour, then add a second colour trim complete with one of my faviourite pieces mounted outside about half way up the box: Then you have a box, that doesn't look like a box, unless you want to see a box X-D X-D God Bless, Nathan Quote
exo attack Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 I've already made a set, called MINER'S CAMP. It isn't really a set, just some accesories and a minifigure. Ill try and get pics up soon. Quote
Norrington Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 also, i used the 1x2 red logs which appear in no LEGO sets, and are a "special color" offered by a few select sellers on BrickLink. another special piece not offered in any LEGO set, and only offered on BrickLink, are the 1x2x3 brown inverted slopes on the front of the carriage. Um... if those peices don't come in any lego sets, How did said sellers on BL get them? Maybe the're fakes made by one of those Chinese rep-offs. Quote
Brick Miner Posted February 3, 2007 Author Posted February 3, 2007 Um... if those pieces don't come in any lego sets, How did said sellers on BL get them? Maybe the're fakes made by one of those Chinese rep-offs.well, they are official... they say "LEGO" on the studs. and the sellers who acquire these are trusted AFOL commuity members. however, as to figuring out where they come from, i don't know... i actually posed this question in a relevant thread here...http://eurobricks.hosting.ipsyn.com/eurofo...?showtopic=7848 some answers were offered, but nothing entirely concrete. im actually placing an order for more red logs today, so while im at it, im gonna ask the seller ;-) ------------------------------------------------ also, i'll get back to you norro, when i have some more typing time ;-) for now, i can say this... thanks !!! - BrickMiner Quote
Norro Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 Um... if those peices don't come in any lego sets, How did said sellers on BL get them? Maybe the're fakes made by one of those Chinese rep-offs. Most people accept their authenticity, I have a few myself (not this specific one), and the lego logo and serial number are correct. There is a 'museum' thread on cc to show most of the known variants. Most of these are believed to originate in test runs/un-used parts. Seeing as Lego admit their supply line works by running off pieces in a colour, storing them, and then designing a set, I can readily imagine a lot of left-overs. Also if you look closely at mini-land a lot of 'unproduced' colours are in evidence... God Bless, Nathan Quote
Norrington Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 Most people accept their authenticity, I have a few myself (not this specific one), and the lego logo and serial number are correct. There is a 'museum' thread on cc to show most of the known variants. Most of these are believed to originate in test runs/un-used parts. Seeing as Lego admit their supply line works by running off pieces in a colour, storing them, and then designing a set, I can readily imagine a lot of left-overs. Also if you look closely at mini-land a lot of 'unproduced' colours are in evidence... God Bless, Nathan Pictures? I've never been to a Lego land, and therefore have never seen Miniland in person :'-( , but I havn't seen any 'unproduced' colours there in pictures I've seen, but then again, the pictures I've seen are really small. Quote
Norro Posted February 3, 2007 Posted February 3, 2007 Pictures? I've never been to a Lego land, and therefore have never seen Miniland in person :'-( , but I havn't seen any 'unproduced' colours there in pictures I've seen, but then again, the pictures I've seen are really small. Sorry, don't have any off hand. But you do notice parts in colours they weren't released in... God Bless, Nathan Quote
mrts Posted February 4, 2007 Posted February 4, 2007 last night i was laying in my bed, thinking about lego... (as always :-$ :-D) and i also thought about your hight problem.... *sweet* Maybe you could dumb the whole lady and replace it by a rich gentle man. A rich well dressed man, with a high hat. The man could sit....problem solved. I really LOVE the lady, she looks really cool, so you HAVE to use her in an other set...maybe in the train station set? I'm guessing you dont want to lose the lady...but it is an idea to solve your hight problem. :-) Quote
Norrington Posted February 4, 2007 Posted February 4, 2007 To Norro: No I havn't. To Mrts: Stop Making fun f the Brick Miners Height! :-P Anyways, having a rich man sounds logical. Quote
Chuck Posted February 4, 2007 Posted February 4, 2007 A lot of misprint parts (i.e. tan viking helmets) are from special orders in Billund, mostly for community projects. -l2k- Quote
Brick Miner Posted February 5, 2007 Author Posted February 5, 2007 I was only waiting to respond until I had looked it a couple of times, because while I love constructive feedback, it really should refer to something specifically...most definitely. and thanks for expanding...As to the too boxy; I put this down to one of those invisible groupings of lego fans/builders. I fall in the caricature camp that appreciates realism but realizes ('thinks' ;-) X-D ) that the only way to fully achieve this in lego is via caricature, to imply something rather than copy it exactly... I think you fall more in the pure realism camp*. For example when I go to build a fence in my model it may not look very like a real fence (perhaps less posts, perhaps a very different height) but I hope that in the total context of the MOC you look and say 'that looks so real'. That's my artistic liberty. The same liberty would add some sleek curves to the stage coach (unlike the picture) but try and keep people saying 'look at the stage coach'...*Although you're a hybrid X-D as most of them use piece counts far greater than lego and would MOC in a similar way to mini-land (which I don't care for on the whole). 8- Quote
ghoulrealm Posted February 5, 2007 Posted February 5, 2007 The style reminds me more of a European/Medieval wagon for a queen (honestly). But once again, your graphic ability is excellent. also, has anyone given any more thought to the historical issue of the coach ??? this was kind of left unresolved. I was getting a slight feeling of this as well. Although I do see this design more as a western stagecoach, it did inspire me to create an 18th century royal coach. Quote
pianodude2494 Posted February 5, 2007 Posted February 5, 2007 Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful! The MOC and artwork is fantastic, it looks so classic! *y* If this were a set, I would buy it, most definately! This MOC is totally set worthy! ;-) Quote
Brick Miner Posted February 5, 2007 Author Posted February 5, 2007 Although I do see this design more as a western stagecoach, it did inspire me to create an 18th century royal coach.nice... make sure i see it when you make it public ;-)-------------------------------------------------- Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful! The MOC and artwork is fantastic, it looks so classic! *y* If this were a set, I would buy it, most definately! This MOC is totally set worthy! ;-) thanks pianodude !!!-------------------------------------------------- BTW, i can't believe i did post this or mention it... becasue of my obsession with using a LEGOish building style, i looked at every LEGO coach made, to acquire a feel for how LEGO would have attempted such a set. the closest "example" for me to use was actually one of the alternate models on the back of GOLD CITY JUNCTION's box (upper right image)... you can see the influence by looking at the 1x1 round plates used as finishing decoration, and the safe configuration in the back. surprisingly, looking at it in retrospect, you can kinda see where my "boxy" influence came from... LEGO itself :-D also, notice how tall it is, allowing the minifig stands inside, much like mine ;-) - BrickMiner Quote
Norro Posted February 5, 2007 Posted February 5, 2007 i love reading your perceptions of the hobby... interesting stuff, and fun to discuss ;-) This is normally my thought about the topics you start ;-) you know, it's funny... you seem to understand my MOCing efforts better than anyone. yet, the most interesting thing is your own MOCing style seems so different than mine !!! this tells me you have a vast knowledge (or at least interest) in multiple styles... Much as I would like to steal this compliment I think my interest ( X-D ) has its roots in the Lugnet days when Lego MOCing was anything/everything. I try to at least glance at all the different areas from time to time still to keep a varied perspective... as for the specifics of your post... i understand your description of "impressionism" for your own style, but i'm shocked that you would say mine borders on "realism". X-D That's because you're reading the word in artistic context (dang you well rounded people X-D ). Since lego is really my only form of art I'm able to apply terms in a far more specific way. Realism (within lego) is very different. It is more what I might term 'direct emulation' of the subject. You are still very limited by the medium and will most likely end up wit a spartan look, but the goal is still different from other MOCers... God Bless, Nathan Quote
Brick Miner Posted February 7, 2007 Author Posted February 7, 2007 X-D That's because you're reading the word in artistic context (dang you well rounded people X-D ). Since lego is really my only form of art I'm able to apply terms in a far more specific way. Realism (within lego) is very different. It is more what I might term 'direct emulation' of the subject. You are still very limited by the medium and will most likely end up wit a spartan look, but the goal is still different from other MOCers...ah, yes... "direct emulation", i think that term is very fitting, actually.all this comes into even better perspective after taking a second look at your Entrance to the Caves MOC ;-) - BrickMiner Quote
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