Eurobricks Mafia II: Mafia School: Day One

[Chromeknight]

Because its nap time

Mayor: Li'l Walter

Boing!

[XimenaPaulina]

I'm left wondering: How?

Hopefully the other townies would see the sincerity of my intention why I made that suggestion. There is nothing more valuable to an unorganized town this early in the game than someone to trust to. This is my way of trying to reach out of the rest of the town, hoping at least through me I've provided a much-needed headstart for the town. It's up to them if they would trust me. I have nothing to hide nor I fear getting killed this early, at least I'm doing my best to contribute and not simply trying to survive this game.

How about you Li'l Pandy, what do you suggest to rally the rest of the town out there?

[Pandora]

Hopefully the other townies would see the sincerity of my intention why I made that suggestion. There is nothing more valuable to an unorganized town this early in the game than someone to trust to. This is my way of trying to reach out of the rest of the town, hoping at least through me I've provided a much-needed headstart for the town. It's up to them if they would trust me. I have nothing to hide nor I fear getting killed this early, at least I'm doing my best to contribute and not simply trying to survive this game.

How about you Li'l Pandy, what do you suggest to rally the rest of the town out there?

It sounds very much like you're wanting to set yourself up as town leader. It almost sounds like you're trying to encourage people to state their night action plans in public, or in private to you. Perhaps I am misinterpreting?

It's laudable that you have nothing to hide, and that you don't fear death, but town leaders do not volunteer (the mayoral role notwithstanding, and that is less likely to be a town leadership role this time round; indeed the mayor who lived the longest last time wasn't a town leader). Town leaders evolve over time and with circumstances.

So I have no concrete suggestions apart from the usual: We look at people's behaviour, and challenge it when necessary, and come to our own conclusions about whom to trust with the information we process from that. It is from deciding who is trustworthy that a true town block emerges.

[Nightshroud99]

Mayor: Li'l Kieldaman

​I'm back to voting for you just because of your insistence on being a leader. I don't particularly think you're scummy, at the moment, but if you want to be in the spotlight the Mayoral position is waiting.

[Fugazi]

It was discussed in the land of the dead. In becoming Mayor, you became a trusted townie, and a potential leader.

I don't get the feeling that anyone chosen as Mayor today would become a trusted townie or leader by that fact alone, especially in the absence of solid investigative abilities.

It was indeed what led to your demise. I'm surprised you don't remember, and are putting yourself up again, however it would indeed be a very bold move for you to do if you were scum.

An unexpected move could be a good move. We can prove that the Mayor is town by successfully recruiting them, but we can't prove he's scum. I'm not saying that Li'l Cornelius is suspect for being so willing to become Mayor again, but it doesn't paint him as a townie either.

Perhaps what I'm leading to is that a scummy little friend should be elected Mayor, so that sooner or later he is thoroughly scrutinized. Or at least forced to behave. For instance they might think twice about using a night action while being Mayor. Let's put them in the Danger Zone instead! (see what I did there? )

The only issue with this is, why not lynch them instead? I suppose we can choose a Mayor, then think about the lynch. If we decide that the Mayor is the best lynch candidate too, then so be it.

I guess I'm just not sold on the usefulness of a Mayor, and that we should use this opportunity in a perhaps more productive way.

[Endgame]

Since I am unsure and a bit iffy on why CM wants to repeat history....

Mayor: Li'l Walter Kovacs

[CorneliusMurdock]

It was discussed in the land of the dead. In becoming Mayor, you became a trusted townie, and a potential leader. It was indeed what led to your demise. I'm surprised you don't remember, and are putting yourself up again, however it would indeed be a very bold move for you to do if you were scum.

I thought it was that I was acting like a townie rather than just being mayor. And that I'm awesome, making the scum worried I'd be trusted by people.

I also find it interesting that last time he volunteered, he boldly went out and said he'd only trust himself for mayor, and proceeded to vote for himself (if I remember correctly). This time he only volunteered after the spotlight had been put on him and he was asked if he would volunteer now as well. And he himself has yet to vote... I'm not saying that makes him scum, he could just be more cautious about the mayor role than he was last time, but I find it interesting. And now everyone is all "he volunteered, so he must be a good choice".

What spotlight was on me? As far as I recall, it'd only been mentioned that I'd held the position in the previous game and died. Hardly a spotlight.

But you're right, I have held off on voting for myself. I was interested in seeing how the vote would go first. I do think I'm the best candidate right now. I'll vote Mayor: Li'l CorneliusMurdock.

I don't get the feeling that anyone chosen as Mayor today would become a trusted townie or leader by that fact alone, especially in the absence of solid investigative abilities.

An unexpected move could be a good move. We can prove that the Mayor is town by successfully recruiting them, but we can't prove he's scum. I'm not saying that Li'l Cornelius is suspect for being so willing to become Mayor again, but it doesn't paint him as a townie either.

I don't think anyone has reason to trust me. And I don't ask for blind trust. But, really, when was the last time you truly trusted a politician you voted for? Keep not-trusting me. I'm still gonna be awesome... For AMERICA!

One thing that's happened is conversation and that's good. See, as Li'l Hinck says, I'm potentially interesting!

Since I am unsure and a bit iffy on why CM wants to repeat history....

I've already said that I don't think history will repeat itself. [movie trailer voice]This time, it's personal.[/movie trailer voice] Come on, scum, I've got a can of whoop-megablocks I'd love to share with ya'll.

[Walter Kovacs]

Dear Lord, why are you voting for me? I thought I made it clear that, given the longevity of past mayors, I really didn't want it.

I have to admit, Corny's willingness to to accept the mantel of mayorhood, given his past experience with the position seems a bit suspect. Almost like he knows he'd be safe.

But, as others have stated, it would be difficult for him to choose a townie over a clearly scummy partner (IF he is scum, which is nowhere near a certainty). So I feel OK in casting my vote.

Mayor: Li'l Cornelius Murdock

[TheBoyWonder]

I too wonder about Corny's eagerness to be mayor, especially as he died shortly after becoming mayor earlier.

Although, the Scum probably won't touch him, as everyone will be watching him. We may as well test him though.

Mayor: Lil' Cornelius Murdock

[def]

Mr. Def is at a club in Susukino drinking and on his phone. It looks to him like Li'l Corny is the mayor at this time. Voting is now open. More later...

[Hinckley]

Because more evidence leads to him being town, I will Mayor: Li'l Cornelius Murdock. I feel like this is a decision that I can feel comfortable with at this point in time, as he does seem pretty trustworthy, being willing to volunteer himself like that.

Evidence? Volunteering for mayor is the evidence you are referring to? I don't follow that logic, at least not the wording of it. If every player now volunteered to be mayor, how would you gather your "evidence" to trust someone then?

I find it interesting that there's a mayor "bandwagon" for Li'l Cornelius going on here. People afraid to stick out and just vote along with the popular choice? I also find it interesting that last time he volunteered, he boldly went out and said he'd only trust himself for mayor, and proceeded to vote for himself (if I remember correctly). This time he only volunteered after the spotlight had been put on him and he was asked if he would volunteer now as well. And he himself has yet to vote... I'm not saying that makes him scum, he could just be more cautious about the mayor role than he was last time, but I find it interesting. And now everyone is all "he volunteered, so he must be a good choice".

I think I want to hold on to my mayor vote just a bit longer... But I'm actually more inclined to vote for Li'l Kiel, as he seems less stressed out about the mayor role.

Very good point. I know there is not much time left to vote for mayor and Li'l Corn may already have the majority, but due to her behavior analysis I feel more comfortable in voting for Cecilie. vote: Cecilie

I agree that the process is important, and that the discussion could lead to important clues. What I failed to understand is why you thought that nominating someone was mean because it would lead to that person being killed. I'm starting to see that it is a possibility, though I'm still not convinced about the importance of the Mayor role in itself.

Exactly right. In fact, the mayor role never came to any use in the first game. However, since the first two mayors elected were swiftly killed, the third mayor was elected with only one vote as nobody even wanted to think about the matter. Even seeing that the mayor never broke a tie in EB I, we're still placing a lot of importance on the subject. That's just our nature, I guess, but it does give us behavior to analyze.

Like this:

Mayor: Li'l Kieldaman

​I'm back to voting for you just because of your insistence on being a leader. I don't particularly think you're scummy, at the moment, but if you want to be in the spotlight the Mayoral position is waiting.

Insisting on being a leader makes you trust him more? I think someone pressing to be a leader and hinting at forming a Town block this early should be under more scrutiny. Would you follow Li'l Kiel just because of this persistence? Li'l Corn was pretty persistent too. He got up on a soap box wrapped in an American flag and made a speech. That seems more insistent to me. Why not vote for him?

Ah shit. Sorry everyone, mr. def. That vote was a mayoral vote. I was too busy eating a bagel and having some tea from the butt-exploding cafeteria to check the actual remaining time. Just in case: unvote: Li'l Cecilie (Cecilie)

Congratulations, Li'l Corn on your new office. I...didn't vote for you, but hey, I'm sure you'll make a swell Mayor anyway.

[Peanuts]

I don't get the feeling that anyone chosen as Mayor today would become a trusted townie or leader by that fact alone, especially in the absence of solid investigative abilities.

An unexpected move could be a good move. We can prove that the Mayor is town by successfully recruiting them, but we can't prove he's scum. I'm not saying that Li'l Cornelius is suspect for being so willing to become Mayor again, but it doesn't paint him as a townie either.

Well, I know that I won't trust our mayor just because he is a mayor, but to me, it's not a reason to scrutinize them either. I just don't think it's a very important role, because I think we as town will manage to make sure no ties will be generated.

But I have to disagree that an unexpected move would be a good move for the town. There's a reason we don't expect them to step into the spotlight, because it would be bad for them to be scrutinized.

Perhaps what I'm leading to is that a scummy little friend should be elected Mayor, so that sooner or later he is thoroughly scrutinized. Or at least forced to behave. For instance they might think twice about using a night action while being Mayor. Let's put them in the Danger Zone instead! (see what I did there? )

The only issue with this is, why not lynch them instead? I suppose we can choose a Mayor, then think about the lynch. If we decide that the Mayor is the best lynch candidate too, then so be it.

I guess I'm just not sold on the usefulness of a Mayor, and that we should use this opportunity in a perhaps more productive way.

Huh? Are you just thinking aloud now? There is no reason whatsoever to elect a scummy mayor. It's just stupid. We can scrutinize them without electing him, you know. And no scum in their right mind would refrain from using a night action without a good reason to. As you yourself point out, we should lynch scummy players, not make them our mayor. I don't say the mayor has to be incredibly trustworthy, but he shouldn't be scummy either. I'd prefer them to be town.

There is no more productive way to use this role, in my opinion. It rarely has any power, but we won't gain anything from giving it to the scum.

[CorneliusMurdock]

I'd like my bullet-proof mayoral sash now. I hear they're very stylish.

I encourage everyone to be skeptical of me. I've done nothing to warrant anybody's trust. I'll do my best as mayor to put an end to the scum whether you trust me or not.

But I have to disagree that an unexpected move would be a good move for the town. There's a reason we don't expect them to step into the spotlight, because it would be bad for them to be scrutinized.

I believe Li'l Foog was saying that an unexpected move would be good for a scum to make. Why do you start talking like you're referring to town and then switch to referring to scum in the second part there?

[Peanuts]

I believe Li'l Foog was saying that an unexpected move would be good for a scum to make. Why do you start talking like you're referring to town and then switch to referring to scum in the second part there?

Sorry, I wanted to say "disagree that an unexpected move would be a good move for the scum".

[Fugazi]

But I have to disagree that an unexpected move would be a good move for the town. There's a reason we don't expect them to step into the spotlight, because it would be bad for them to be scrutinized.

I wasn't saying that an unexpected move could be good for town, but for scum. Since we don't expect them so step into the spotlight, that's perhaps precisely what they will do.

Huh? Are you just thinking aloud now? There is no reason whatsoever to elect a scummy mayor. It's just stupid. We can scrutinize them without electing him, you know. And no scum in their right mind would refrain from using a night action without a good reason to. As you yourself point out, we should lynch scummy players, not make them our mayor. I don't say the mayor has to be incredibly trustworthy, but he shouldn't be scummy either. I'd prefer them to be town.

There is no more productive way to use this role, in my opinion. It rarely has any power, but we won't gain anything from giving it to the scum.

Yes, I was thinking out loud. And I'm still thinking. How does this role work? Is it the equivalent of a second vote for Cornelius when there's a tie? Say he's scum and one of his team is leading by one vote, could he by himself provoke a tie then break it by voting again for the other player? It's perhaps not a very important role early in the game, but as player numbers dwindle it can become important. Therefore sooner or later Cornelius will have to be cleared. So should this role be given to a trusted townie who could get killed when scum decide they need the advantage, or to a scum who really can't use it right away but may want to avoid the spotlight? The decision has been made, so let's see if Mayor Li'l Cornelius will have a chance to break a tie.

I believe Li'l Foog was saying that an unexpected move would be good for a scum to make.

You can call me Maverick.

Sorry, I wanted to say "disagree that an unexpected move would be a good move for the scum".

Well scum can't always be predictable, can they?

[CorneliusMurdock]

Sorry, I wanted to say "disagree that an unexpected move would be a good move for the scum".

Better be careful. I hear Freud is very accident prone around here.

[Peanuts]

Yes, I was thinking out loud. And I'm still thinking. How does this role work? Is it the equivalent of a second vote for Cornelius when there's a tie? Say he's scum and one of his team is leading by one vote, could he by himself provoke a tie then break it by voting again for the other player?

I highly doubt scum would be able to provoke a tie. Think about it, in all the mafia games that were played on Eurobricks, there never has been a tie (I think). And every lynched scum player ever would have created one if they had been able to.

Well scum can't always be predictable, can they?

Probably not, no.

[Endgame]

Mayor is essentially a power role we get to distribute; therefore, no matter how unlikely the chane of a tie there is, the mayor should always be scrutinized heavily. What I would find interesting is if the Mayor doesn't end up dying. Since Mayor is literally a revealed power role, assuming it isn't their own, chances are that the Mayor will be killed.

[def]

Cornelius Murdock is the official mayor. Voting has begun!

Vote for mayor:

Li'l Walter 3 (Kiel, Chromeknight, Endgame)

Li'l Kiel 2 (C. Redblade, Nightshroud)

Li'l Corny Murdock 9 (Danny, PirateDave, Peanuts, Callmepie, Rick, Palathadric, Cornelius Murdock, Walter Kovacs, the Boy Wonder, )

[Cecilie]

What spotlight was on me? As far as I recall, it'd only been mentioned that I'd held the position in the previous game and died. Hardly a spotlight.

I was so sure I had heard someone ask if you wanted to volunteer again, but now I can't find it, so I must have imagined it . Let's just call it a candlelight then

Ah shit. Sorry everyone, mr. def. That vote was a mayoral vote. I was too busy eating a bagel and having some tea from the butt-exploding cafeteria to check the actual remaining time. Just in case: unvote: Li'l Cecilie (Cecilie)

I was wondering what you were up to.

[Rick]

I have to admit, Corny's willingness to to accept the mantel of mayorhood, given his past experience with the position seems a bit suspect. Almost like he knows he'd be safe.

Know he'd be safe because the scum won't target the mayor or because he's scum himself? Given what you say next, I assume you mean the latter.

But, as others have stated, it would be difficult for him to choose a townie over a clearly scummy partner (IF he is scum, which is nowhere near a certainty). So I feel OK in casting my vote.

So, you vote for someone you're suspicious of?

I too wonder about Corny's eagerness to be mayor, especially as he died shortly after becoming mayor earlier.

Although, the Scum probably won't touch him, as everyone will be watching him. We may as well test him though.

"Wonder" if he's scum, you mean? In your next sentence you seem to suggest you think he's town, because you assume "the scum probably won't touch him".

[TheBoyWonder]

It's a mixture of both, I'm really unsure, but my gut says town.

[CorneliusMurdock]

The intention is for me to survive tonight (Because it would be about damn time I made it to day 2 again). So, Walter, be too disappointed if I live. Scum won't touch me because they're all a bunch of poopy heads that peed their pants. And don't crucify me if I manage to outsmart them.

[Zepher]

Because he's not an alien.

He makes as convincing a non-alien as he did a non-werewolf.

Yes, all us Earthlings talk about being Earthlings all the time... right? I love being an Earthling. I hate being a werewolf. Not that I am one...

I'm sorry I didn't end up getting in my vote for mayor. I wasn't busy being on the moon, but was instead doing something very normal. But it seems that my vote wouldn't have done much anyway! Congrats Lil' Corn on a moon rock slide victory. Or Earth slide victory. Rockslide victory?

Now, that being said - yes, little Kiel is sticking his neck out, and I'll make the tried and trued statement I feel I always make: scum wouldn't be obvious on Day 1. They have no reason to draw attention to themselves yet, unless its an elaborate gambit. And in my expert experience, it has never been an elaborate gambit. So, I don't intend to vote for him. At least for today.

I also don't find Corny particularly suspect. My guess is that he is town, and that he also cannot be converted. It would be a little irresponsible for a town member who was convertible to run for mayor. I doubt he's scum as well, because the position of mayor draws a lot of attention and has practically no pay-off.

That being said... I hate first day lynches. No one strikes me as particularly scummy. I, as always, suggest we find someone hiding around doing nothing. Scum lay low, particularly in the beginning when there's so much confusion anyway. We have a good chance of finding at least one in the "non-talkers", and if we lynch a non-talking townie, they were hardly helping anyway.

Final note of interest/thought on my mind: those of us who are convertible, whoever we may be, should not be afraid of a lynch or a night kill. If the scum are unable to recruit you, you are helping the town- that includes dying (it is better, number-wise, to be dead than converted). So those who can be converted should play a game particularly unafraid of death. I, as always, expect everyone to talk lots so we have ideas coming in, but convertibles should both not be afraid of death, and NOT be a part of the major town block unless you're already masoned. As long as you're town and you know you're convertible, you should attempt to learn as few actions as possible so if/when you're converted, you have nothing to offer the scum. Until you are (potentially) converted, you are on OUR team, so play it smart.

So, who are we going to start pointing fingers at?

GRRRRR. I miss the moon .

[Cecilie]

Final note of interest/thought on my mind: those of us who are convertible, whoever we may be, should not be afraid of a lynch or a night kill. If the scum are unable to recruit you, you are helping the town- that includes dying (it is better, number-wise, to be dead than converted). So those who can be converted should play a game particularly unafraid of death. I, as always, expect everyone to talk lots so we have ideas coming in, but convertibles should both not be afraid of death, and NOT be a part of the major town block unless you're already masoned. As long as you're town and you know you're convertible, you should attempt to learn as few actions as possible so if/when you're converted, you have nothing to offer the scum. Until you are (potentially) converted, you are on OUR team, so play it smart.

That's interesting. You know if you're convertible or not? Because I can't remember being told anything about being convertible or not. Just saying.