Eurobricks Mafia II: Mafia School: Day One

[XimenaPaulina]

Wow, I really thought I had it this time.... I'm kinda' surprised that my first time as scum was so short....

That's right, guys, I'm scum. I was hoping you guys would say "Oh, this is how he acted in Heartlake", and move on, but clearly I had something else coming. Maybe I should work on my game..... I guess you guys will be pretty happy tomorrow. That is, not until we unite. Then we can really take charge, and the only thing good you'll have gotten out of this was my lynch. Congratulations town on catching your first scum, but we've got this in the bag!

Oh, and thanks for letting me play, def. It was fun to wreak as much havoc and confusion as I could.

Scum or not, I'm a man of my word, and I'll Unvote: Li'l DannyLongLegs

And just because I want to and he really, really needs spell-check on his phone, Vote: Li'l PirateDave84

If you're scum, why give up this easily?

If you're town, then why claim as scum?

Scum or town, one word: Stupid (and please don't take it personally, it's in the context of the game).

Well thanks for making it easier for us:

Unvote: Li'l BoyWonder

Vote: Li'l TrumpetKing

And don't get too cocky, if you scum are so sure you have this in the bag already then you might as well tell Mr. def to end this game right now.

[Hinckley]

If you're scum, why give up this easily?

Have you heard the concept of the game you're currently playing? There is one Scum team split into two sub-teams. They can't win unless they connect.

[Scouty]

Have you heard the concept of the game you're currently playing? There is one Scum team split into two sub-teams. They can't win unless they connect.

Not only that, but they have to know that they outnumber the town.

[Hinckley]

Not only that, but they have to know that they outnumber the town.

Well, there's that too. But the point is, if they outnumber us and still haven't connected they don't win. We don't want them connecting on Day One...

[CorneliusMurdock]

Interesting. Maybe even more interesting than I have the potential to be. While I'm glad we caught a scummy wuss the first day, it's really rather bad that they'll be united and planning their strategy together now. So...

[Scouty]

Well, there's that too. But the point is, if they outnumber us and still haven't connected they don't win. We don't want them connecting on Day One...

Yeah, that's right, I was just saying that on top of what you said earlier.

[Capt. Redblade]

Interesting. Maybe even more interesting than I have the potential to be. While I'm glad we caught a scummy wuss the first day, it's really rather bad that they'll be united and planning their strategy together now. So...

Woah, did I miss something? Where did anybody say that?

[Dannylonglegs]

Wow, is the day shorter than usual, or have I really not been paying as much attention as I should be. I suppose the Mayor vote threw me off.

I didn't see Li'l Trumpet's claim coming. He seemed to be exhibiting his usual general state of confusion, but I guess it works both ways?

On another note, since Li'l Trumpet seems to have blown his last, I'd like to draw attention to some strange behavior I found in my reading of today's thread.

I'm going to place my vote on Li'l Scouty today. Vote: Li'l Scouty

What really got me suspicious was his late-mid-day defense when he was being accused of behaving scummily.

Look, if I appear scummy it's because I want to. If I'm selfish, well, there's nothing I can say against that. But still, it's not like everybody except me leapt at the chance to be mayor.

Apart from his over-all defensive attitude, this comment really stuck out to me as being odd. I realize that our goal is to confuse the scum and all, but he's literally using that as a defense. That's not "appearing scummy winkwinknodnod," that's actually appearing scummy and then claiming "It's on purpose," failing to either act scummy or help the Town.

And then just now, there's this:

Overall, someone who is participating just enough without contributing all that much. Seems to only work off what others have said (Like on Corny's mayorship and a quick summary as his reason to vote for Trumpet). This is the kind of attitude I'd expect somebody who was scum to be in this situation. Reading Hinck's case against Trumpet, I can pretty much apply the same theory here: Not scum tells per se (this is day one, so any scum/town tells are not going to be as strong as later in the game), but rather posts that are in a scum mindset. But that's just my view, as of now. There may be others like this, I could just be imposing my view (which is a hard habit to beat), but I'm just feeling some pings ( ) on him at the moment.

Has everybody said that they're town, or are there still some that have not said "I am town" yet?

I believe that Trumpetking is the best candidate for lynching, today, but seeing as he has enough votes, I'm going to Vote: Li'l Boy Wonder (TheBoyWonder)

We can continue this the next day and today (if there is any time to do so), if anybody wants to.

Good thing we're in a school. When's Spelling Class?

I know Li'l Hinck usually points me out for doing this, but there's two different fonts in this post.

[Chromeknight]

Der. How did I miss that? Well, stickle me any time baby.

So, actual PM structure aside, we have three people pounce on Cecilie when Li'l Zeph makes a stretch of an accusation based on her asking for clarification of something he admits to wording wrong. All three of them choose Li'l Cec, even though the main accusation from Li'l Zeph is aimed at Li'l Trump. That's a li'l weird...

Nobody is asking you about the structure of the role PM. I'm asking why you chose to focus on Cecilie when Li'l Zeph was accusing her and Li'l Trump.

Sure, I chimed in. I'll read back over after posting this, but I don't remember Li'lZeph directing anything at Cec before I spoke, and I think I spoke before Zeph's clarification. So, I thought that Cecile's difference was a matter of difference in team rather than variation in wording from the host. I was happy to drop it when shown otherwise.

Why push that way at all? Clearly others were on Zeph's case at the time, I wanted to increase the amount of discussion. There was no intent to deflect or otherwise protect Zeph in some way. I can understand how it seems that way though.

As for who's pinging now, BoyWonder has already been poked, and I noticed he dropped a very vague vote on Trumpet at number 3. Middle of the pack voting. I know someone has to vote there, that's how these things work. But he could be worthy of more attention tomorrow.

Arrgh... the scum don't vote for scum (unless the target is bussable) observation isn't valid here, and it's normally such a powerful tool at the town's disposal. This isn't the simplest game for my first run at town. :frown:

[XimenaPaulina]

Have you heard the concept of the game you're currently playing? There is one Scum team split into two sub-teams. They can't win unless they connect.

Yeah I know that. Sorry for being so slow.

Well played to TrumpetKing's scum team, this was almost surely a planned tactic from the very start, making TrumpetKing a sacrificial lamb to unite the two scum teams.

But it ain't over yet, we don't even know how many members each scum team has, and how many days it will take for them to outnumber us. It's just Day 1. But one has to wonder whether Mr. def anticipated this scenario on Day 1, wherein catching a scum would turn out to be more disadvanageous to the town.

[Nightshroud99]

Wait... How do we know Lil Trumpet is telling the truth. I mean any town could go out and say they're scum, and have the other team contact them.

Which, if this is indeed the ploy, then I maybe shouldn't be putting this out in the open. But, it's a simple plan; and something I and other scum tried to do in the last EB mafia. My vote will stay where it is, however. A confession is a confession and my wild ideas won't change my mind when I am probably wrong anyway.

[Cecilie]

Well, no idea if he's lying or not, but with a confession, and the way he's been acting today, I'm going to put my vote in as well:

Vote: Li'l TrumpetKing

Now I hope this won't lead to the scum teams uniting already .

[TheBoyWonder]

Sorry about my so called pussyfooting. As others have pointed out, that is my normal behavior early on in games.

I don't quite know what to say about TrumpetKing, Whether its a ploy or its a real confession, it's a bold move. If he is scum, he's confirmed his death, if he's town, he's been extremely stupid.

I have been quite concerned about the format of this game, and if the confession is true, the we are going to have BiG problems. With the two teams united, we don't know how many they'll have. We might of just been stuck at a disadvantage.

[Palathadric]

Wait... How do we know Lil Trumpet is telling the truth. I mean any town could go out and say they're scum, and have the other team contact them.

Which, if this is indeed the ploy, then I maybe shouldn't be putting this out in the open. But, it's a simple plan; and something I and other scum tried to do in the last EB mafia. My vote will stay where it is, however. A confession is a confession and my wild ideas won't change my mind when I am probably wrong anyway.

Why would you say this out loud? Seriously! If he is town, you've just about blown any chance he has. What you said cannot help town in anyway. If he's scum, it does nothing to help us, and if he's town you may have blown whatever fragile cover he had, if he indeed had one at all.

Although, I really don't think scum would be too stupid to have not realized the possibility that he may be a townie, but still...

[XimenaPaulina]

Whether its a ploy or its a real confession, it's a bold move. If he is scum, he's confirmed his death, if he's town, he's been extremely stupid.

I retract what I said earlier about his "giving up" being stupid. It's actually brilliant whether he's scum or town. Since he seems to have accepted his fate already, he'd either get some vital info in his remaining hours (and pass it to a townie he trusts) if he's a fallen townie or his move would've essentially united the two scum teams if he's indeed scum (hopefully they won't).

I have been quite concerned about the format of this game, and if the confession is true, the we are going to have BiG problems. With the two teams united, we don't know how many they'll have. We might of just been stuck at a disadvantage.

With TrumpetKing's revelation, and preparing for the worst that he is indeed a scummo, I've ran some case scenario possibilities

Assuming: among 21 players: 15 town, 3 killing scum team, 3 recruiting scum team (total 6 scum combined + ability to recruit 6 additional players)

Best-case scenario for town = scum lynched + scum SK-killed + scum kill target protected + scum recruitment block (100% success rate all the time is highly improbable, unfortunately)

Worst-case scenario for town = townie lynched + townie SK-killed + townie scum-killed + townie recruited to scum (could be all over by Day 3/Night 3 ).

Realistically speaking, night action success would tend to fall in between these two extreme scenarios, so the town would really need some luck on our side to have succesful night actions. Obviously, the major advantage of the scum teams if they unite this early is they'll have the a smaller number of people to target at night, unlike the townie PRs who would most likely rely on hit-or-miss in the early goings (even hurt ourselves with a wrongful SK kill). Hopefully, even if we are at a huge disadvantage against a united scum team, the town could also get their acts going as soon as possible.

[Rick]

Please, tell me how saying I've lost my cool is trying to get on people's good sides. I'm actually very pissed off that it takes a lot to get points through everybody's heads.

Since you've confessed to being scum it might not add a lot to the discussion, but I don't think anyone was saying you didn't get your point across. It just wasn't a very convincing explanation for your behaviour. Most people seemed to think Mr. def's clarification made li'l Zeph look less suspicious, except you. As I said before, your wishy-washy behaviour could just as well be explained by you being a little too eager to unite the scum teams when you saw li'l Zeph's post and then when Mr. def clarified, you thought you could get away with an easy lynch on a townie.

I don't like answering for others, but I don't see a reason why not to here. It is simply in the wording of the text, which says that you "may be inducted/may be recruited." Zepher took that to mean that he could be recruited. Frankly, I thought it meant the same thing as well. I thought I was some kind of special case until I saw the argument here.

Not a very smart statement to make if you're a townie.

Habemus Papam!!??

I thought you were asked to come forward with your suspicions, which you haven't as far as I can see.

Wait... How do we know Lil Trumpet is telling the truth. I mean any town could go out and say they're scum, and have the other team contact them.

Which, if this is indeed the ploy, then I maybe shouldn't be putting this out in the open. But, it's a simple plan; and something I and other scum tried to do in the last EB mafia. My vote will stay where it is, however. A confession is a confession and my wild ideas won't change my mind when I am probably wrong anyway.

The way this class is set up makes it very hard to make a credible claim. But, if he's scum, I hope it's enough to at least make the other scum team wary of contacting Li'l Trumpet.

I don't quite know what to say about TrumpetKing, Whether its a ploy or its a real confession, it's a bold move. If he is scum, he's confirmed his death, if he's town, he's been extremely stupid.

Can you explain why you think his claim is stupid if he's town?

[Palathadric]

Not a very smart statement to make if you're a townie.

Call me stupid, but I don't see why it's not.

[XimenaPaulina]

Why would you say this out loud? Seriously! If he is town, you've just about blown any chance he has. What you said cannot help town in anyway. If he's scum, it does nothing to help us, and if he's town you may have blown whatever fragile cover he had, if he indeed had one at all.

Although, I really don't think scum would be too stupid to have not realized the possibility that he may be a townie, but still...

At first I though it might've been also better if Li'l Nightshroud didn't "think aloud" about that possibility, but come to think of it, it could still plant some seeds of doubt to the scum teams whether to trust Li'l TrumpetKing's statement or not. Is he really a scum wanting to unite the two scum teams? Or a townie trying to fish for info? We really wouldn't know. The scum teams would also have some initial doubts also for sure (but like you said I would be surprised if they don't deduce it correctly).

At this point, let's just prepare for the worst and hopefully we could get our acts going behind-the-scenes and remain vigilant in reading people either in the game thread or privately.

[Rick]

Call me stupid, but I don't see why it's not.

Then I might have misread your statement. I've explained how I read it in private.

[def]

Four hours left

[Piratedave84]

SNIP

I thought you were asked to come forward with your suspicions, which you haven't as far as I can see.

SNIP

my main suspicion was Trumpet, whom I voted for.

Them there was more 'gut feelings' than anything else; Boywonder, Danny, CM

I was extremely busy over the weekend and time slipped away from me; I will be more active in comings days!

[Fugazi]

It would appear that Li'l TrumpetKing has given up on his life and is attempting to use this opportunity to reunite the scum teams. I would put my vote on him but there's another comment I feel deserves some attention.

Wait... How do we know Lil Trumpet is telling the truth. I mean any town could go out and say they're scum, and have the other team contact them.

Which, if this is indeed the ploy, then I maybe shouldn't be putting this out in the open. But, it's a simple plan; and something I and other scum tried to do in the last EB mafia. My vote will stay where it is, however. A confession is a confession and my wild ideas won't change my mind when I am probably wrong anyway.

I'm not sure what the intention behind your comment was. Perhaps you did want to sow the seed of doubt so that scum would reconsider contacting TrumpetKing. But to me, you sound a lot like a worried scum. TrumpetKing is not on your team, so you're wondering if it's a trap or if you should contact him. By the same token, you're voicing your doubts so that the other scum team is aware of the risks too. Tell me I'm wrong?

Vote: Li'l Nightshroud (Nightshroud99)

[Walter Kovacs]

I know it doesn't mean much at this point, but:

Unvote: Li'l Danny Longlegs

Vote: Li'l TrumpetKing

For all the townies out there, please don't panic. If the scum teams are uniting, and there is some doubt that they are, then we are now in a standard mafia game. 15 or 16 town vs 4 or 5 scum. Even without a cop, this is very doable.

I remember Mr def saying somewhere that if he took the Town's cop away, he would reduce the scum numbers by one. Since there were 6 scum in EB I, with Trumpet sacrificing himself, that would leave 4 scum left.

Following this train of thought, Trumpet is likely to be on the team with 3 members (would a scum team willingly agree to cut their numbers to 1? On Day 1? Not likely). Also, It's likely that his partners in crime were in on the voting, to make sure that the bandwagon formed. Keep that in mind when you analyse today's voting and discussions.

Townies with Power Roles, choose your targets wisely. There was a lot of discussion, and a lot of people flinging accusations. Make sure you go over the entire day and make good choices. Because if we do make mistakes, it won't take long before 4 against 16 turns into a scum victory.

[def]

Day ends. As it turns out, I got most of my work done, so a vignette will be up shortly.

TrumpetKing has been convicted, and you have 20 hours to get your night actions in.

[def]

Out by the swings, Li'l Walt and Li'l Pala talk about the new Kyary Pamyu Pamyu single. "You know, Ninjya Re Bang Bang ain't half as good as Pon Pon Pon," Li'l Walt opines.

Li'l Pala agrees, but let's it be known, "The video for Ninjya is way better, man,"

A line up develops at the slide, as the kids aim to get their kicks in while daylight shines.

Meanwhile, Li'l Corny gets ready to mete out some sandbox justice. "I am the mayor! The people love and trust me! With this power, I declare you, Li'l TrumpetKing, persona non-grata! Let the beats begin!"

Other students surround Li'l TrumpetKing and snuff the delicate little candle that he was.

Final Vote Tally:

Li'l Scouty 4 (CallMePie, ChromeKnight, Zepher, Danny)

Li'l TrumpetKing 13 (Pandora, Endgame, the Boy Wonder, Hinckley, Capt. Redblade, Nightshroud, Rick, Murdock, Palathadric, PirateDave, Kiel, Cecilie, WalterKovacs)

Li'l Boy Wonder 1 (Scouty)

Li'l PirateDave 1 (TrumpetKing)

Li'l Nightshroud 1 (Fugazi)

Li'l Peanuts ducked up his vote by not bolding it, and rather than punish him with a vote penalty, I will rap his knuckles with a ruler, and you all have permission to relentlessly mock him for not knowing how Internet forums work for the length of day two. In the future, such sloppiness will not be given a free pass.