def Posted March 17, 2013 Author Posted March 17, 2013 The rules do say that we shouldn't try to use our role PMs to our advantage. For the record, I'm going to send scum copies of most town PMs (minus the specific roles), just in case people decide they want to push this style of play further.
Hinckley Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 That was not my original intention, really. I'm just merely offering an avenue for townies out there to have someone to talk to, someone they could relate to for being all alone at the start of the game, not knowing who to trust and to initially talk to. If you're a real townie you'd understand how it feels, compared to those scummos sitting pretty right now formulating plans with their scum buddies. Townies don't have that luxury at the start of the game. And with me sticking my head out there and trying my best to do what I think is best to unite the town, hopefully it would reverberate to others that I could be trusted. If what I'm doing entails assuming an early position of leadership then so be it, but I'm not lobbying to be a leader for the sake of being a leader, just trying to unite the town this early. If I see there are more capable townies out there who could step-up to be a leader, I'd happily defer to them (my game history is proof of that: Rufus was our town leader in Bloodbrick II in a losing cause, def as a neutral led us in Gotham City victory, Cornelius stepped-up to lead is in IMHOTEP.) As you see, I've never been a leader, and honestly I'm more comfortable playing in a supporting contributing role. But my intention whay I'm doing this is simply to unite the townies as early as possible, conisdering with have a daunting threat with two scum teams trying to unite themselves in the coming days. I hope you see my point there. And I'm encouraging people to broadcast their night actions in public? I never said that, and you and I and everyone knows that would be stupid. If they tell me what their night action would be in private? It's a matter of trust. I expect the townies PRs to be careful and they won't even tell anyone unless they fully trust someone. You said it yourself that it's though people's behavior that we would know who to trust is. That's what I've been doing, since I'm just utilizing the greatest power of a townie: BEING TRUE AND HONEST ABOUT YOURSELF. I'm all for all scrunity you could throw at me Li'l kids. Like I said, I have the greatest weapon of a townie: HONESTY. Think about this for one second, in all of your honesty: what good is the position of a proven leader in a game where six of us can be converted? Unless you're the Mason Recruiter him/herself, we have no indication right now if you would be convertable or not. Even if this wasn't a game with a different concept and a massive amount of possible recruitments, your self-proclaimed honesty is only words to us. You're being honest about being a Townie? Great, so am I! Let's ask everyone if they're honestly Townies or not and then we can just breeze through this game. Wasn't there a lie detector in the last game that never got to be used? I am aligned with the Town. There. Just in case. Sorry, back to Li'l Kiel: The way I see it, we have no reason to trust you and if we did, we wouldn't want to parade you around as our most trusted leader as the Scum would then try to convert or kill you. Although, it'd be hilarious if they both targeted the same person on the same night. I love this concept. It hurts my brain. Either way, proclaiming how honest you are is just silly, in my opinion.
TrumpetKing Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Li'l Hinck, it's actually interesting that you bring up the lie detector. I do believe that Mr. def said that most of the roles would remain the same in this game from the last, so it actually is going to be useful to do that just in case. I am aligned with the town. (Also just in case)
XimenaPaulina Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Yup, there you go, observe the people making fun of someone of one who simply wants to help the town. Really very helpful. When I go down somewhere along the way (as early as tonight) remember these helpful people. Silly lie detectors and stuff, Pfft. Great. Anyone else here would like to proclaim their words in an counter-productive manner as being aligned to town? They're just words anyways, right?
Hinckley Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Yup, there you go, observe the people making fun of someone of one who simply wants to help the town. Really very helpful. When I go down somewhere along the way (as early as tonight) remember these helpful people. Silly lie detectors and stuff, Pfft. Great. Li'l Kiel, self-martyrdom is so passe. Really, it's not about you, dude, it's about what the Town can really work with right now. Personally, I appreciate that you're a strong player and if you are being honest, want to help and lead. I'm just saying I don't think you have a solid plan to help the Town yet. Don't take our analysis of what you're saying personally. I'm not saying you aren't an honest person, I'm saying this game is about lying to people and we have no reason to take anyone at face value. And in this concept, you may be 100% honest with us today and wake up a converted Scum tomorrow. Not to mention the lie detector is very real and was employed in the last game, although Dannylonglegs was killed before he could use it. But, if used properly, it will give us a one-shot investigation and behavior to analyze. So, our time is better spent right now getting everyone to participate for the lie detector and analyzing how people respond to that than arguing over the importance of your proclamation of honesty. So, please move on.
CorneliusMurdock Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I do think it might be a good idea to stop talking about roles if the scum are going to know exactly how the PMs are worded. Talking about them would only give them a better view of the game. Actually, while you've been on hiatus from these games, Li'l Kiel, there's an actual lie detector role that was introduced. I'm aligned with the town as well. I'm sure Mr. Def would be happy if the role actually got used but I don't know when a logical time for someone with the action (which I understand to be one shot from previous discussion) to be used to the best advantage.
Hinckley Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Anyone else here would like to proclaim their words in an counter-productive manner as being aligned to town? They're just words anyways, right? You posted this after I started replying. What does it mean? Are you making fun of the lie detector or going along with it now? I can't tell...
Zepher Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I am town. I believe you're right, Lil' Hinck. I did just misread, and perhaps no one pounced on me so much as asked for clarification. I'm just pushing their buttons to see if they pop! That's how we Earthlings work, right? I also realize how it could be seen as me trying to use my role PM to my advantage. Wasn't my intention, so I apologize to Lil' Cecile and Lil' Trumpeteer. Was just trying to see what happened, even if it just sprung forth from me not being a competent reader. We gotta stir this pot somehow, see what scumbos float to the surface. Over the next few hours, I'm going to be too busy howling at the moon to really respond. Sorry all. Oh, these Earthling customs.
Walter Kovacs Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I am aligned with the town. I'd like to comment more on todays discussion, but I find all I really can concentrate on is a quick shower and a nice nap. Before I retire, though, is everyone satisfied with Zepher's answer? Are there any other players that have registered a ping on the collective scumdars?
XimenaPaulina Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Li'l Kiel, self-martyrdom is so passe. Really, it's not about you, dude, it's about what the Town can really work with right now. Personally, I appreciate that you're a strong player and if you are being honest, want to help and lead. I'm just saying I don't think you have a solid plan to help the Town yet. Don't take our analysis of what you're saying personally. I'm not saying you aren't an honest person, I'm saying this game is about lying to people and we have no reason to take anyone at face value. And in this concept, you may be 100% honest with us today and wake up a converted Scum tomorrow. Yeah I understand, and no worries I don't take it personally. You're actually right about me "not having a solid plan" right now, and I've already said my piece why I did what I did (the night action suggestion, self-proclamation of honesty). If there is already a town block being formed by a more competent townie then it's great news! Even if I'm no part of that, nor I expect to be part of that anytime soon, as long as I know there is a town core forming behind the scenes then I'm all good with it. Not to mention the lie detector is very real and was employed in the last game, although Dannylonglegs was killed before he could use it. But, if used properly, it will give us a one-shot investigation and behavior to analyze. So, our time is better spent right now getting everyone to participate for the lie detector and analyzing how people respond to that than arguing over the importance of your proclamation of honesty. So, please move on. Actually, while you've been on hiatus from these games, Li'l Kiel, there's an actual lie detector role that was introduced. You posted this after I started replying. What does it mean? Are you making fun of the lie detector or going along with it now? I can't tell... Ugn, Li'l Cornelius is right, I wasn't aware of this lie detector, so I wasn't making fun of it as I don't know anything about it. I need to read that book (EB I) and research about that. I'm aligned with the town as well. All players in Eurobricks Mafia II = all aligned with the town. There I saved the rest of the players the effort for making this silly proclamation in their posts. --- Moving on, since we have pressing matters like finding out the scum and since we're already allowed to vote, I have a couple of kids in mind, who I think are scummy I just have to compile my thoughts about this and post later... (Don't rush me again Li'l TrumpetKing! ).
CMP Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 All players in Eurobricks Mafia II = all aligned with the town. All we need to verify that statement is common sense. I'm a townie.
def Posted March 17, 2013 Author Posted March 17, 2013 Vote Tally: Nothing. Voting is mandatory. 34 hours to go.
TrumpetKing Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Before I retire, though, is everyone satisfied with Zepher's answer? Are there any other players that have registered a ping on the collective scumdars? I don't know, I know we shouldn't be using the role PM's to our advantage, but I find it odd that he claimed with his PM in mind and then said "Oh, no, I read it wrong". Those sort of things are kind of hard to believe because we don't know for sure whether he is telling the truth or not, especially when he is referring to something private. The thing that strikes me odd though, is that he went from a pretty townie PM claim to a claim that says he didn't know. It seems pretty hard to mess something like that up. He said he could be converted by either scum or masons at first, and then said he reread it and didn't know if he could. Saying he didn't know is quite different from his original statement of being pretty sure he could be converted. I think that seems odd..
Hinckley Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I'm just pushing their buttons to see if they pop! Great strategy. Might want to stick with it next time instead of giving up on it the second you're asked about it. Ugn, Li'l Cornelius is right, I wasn't aware of this lie detector, so I wasn't making fun of it as I don't know anything about it. I need to read that book (EB I) and research about that. Did I miss where you made a potential statement for the lie detector to test?
XimenaPaulina Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Did I miss where you made a potential statement for the lie detector to test? This? Silly lie detectors and stuff, Pfft. That was my first post regarding this lie detector, which was in reaction to your previous post when you mentioned the lie detector.
Nightshroud99 Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 This is a squirrely answer. How do you learn more about someone when they're mayor? The role itself, once given, never seemed to really play much into the game at all the first time around. What would you be expecting to have learned from Li'l Kiel and therefore what can we now learn from Li'l Corn now that he's in office? Even if Li'l Kiel or Li'l Corn can "prove" themselves over the first couple days, let's not forget how dangerous a Town block can be in a situation where there are a higher number of possible conversions than most games. I guess if they survive the night we could deduce they are either scum, or protected, or just not targeted. Which, wouldn't tell us much... Then, maybe some PR's could get in contact with them, and if we're lucky a town block could form. But, this isn't good either as both could be scum... You're right, this doesn't tell us anything. I'm not sure what my train of thought was earlier. Lil Kieldaman has kept his cool, though, under pressure. That's a good sign in most cases. Same with Corny.
Hinckley Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 This? That was my first post regarding this lie detector, which was in reaction to your previous post when you mentioned the lie detector. The lie detector can take one person's statement to the host and find out if it is true or not. If every player says "I am aligned with the Town" the lie detector is free to choose any player to find out if they are lying or not, therefore if they are Scum or not. So when I say you haven't made a statement the lie detector can test, I'm asking you to post "I am aligned with the Town" please. As should everyone so the lie detector, assuming there is one, can do an effective job with their role.
XimenaPaulina Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 You're braver man than I, Li'l Kiel. Mayor: Li'l KielDaMan I am not brave enough to volunteer for such a job, but I respect the man who does, and you should too. I think this makes sense. There are some potential risks, but it would give us some insight into who we can trust. And that is valuable insight to have on Day One. He makes as convincing a non-alien as he did a non-werewolf. --- Overall, what struck me the most about Li'l Redblade is he almost seemed to agree with everything I posted (see posts above), in stark contrast to those who heavily scrutinized my posts (Li'l Hinckley, Li'l Pandy, Li'l Rick). I just think it's too easy a strategy for a potential scum to piggyback on a townie who's been very vocal from the very start. Add a couple of role-playing posts here and there and you have someone who appears to be active, not too much nor too low in the activity radar. Day 1 lynches are tricky with nothing much to go about but a few behavioral reads on several posts, so I wouldn't claim my argument as solid or strong, but he's just the one who strikes me the most as scummy. So I'll Vote: Li'l Capt. Redblade. Of course, I'd give Redblade the chance to explain himself and I could unvote and change my vote anytime if I'm convinced I'm barking on the wrong tree. The lie detector can take one person's statement to the host and find out if it is true or not. If every player says "I am aligned with the Town" the lie detector is free to choose any player to find out if they are lying or not, therefore if they are Scum or not. So when I say you haven't made a statement the lie detector can test, I'm asking you to post "I am aligned with the Town" please. As should everyone so the lie detector, assuming there is one, can do an effective job with their role. Ah now I get the concept of this lie detector, thanks for the quick lesson. I am aligned with the Town. There.
CMP Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Vote: Li'l Scouty. Here's his obligatory 'Big Cam megablocks-ploded' post. Don't eat the cafeteria food :s And here's his closest thing to a contribution. Well, this beaver Boy Scout has no inclinations toward anybody for mayor. No real opposition toward Kovacs being mayor, though it has been leaned that mayors don't have a long life expectancy otherwise I'd put myself for vote, since I know I'm good, scout's honour ! I know others have been skulking around just as much as him, but when you equate mayorship to death and openly fear it just because you label yourself good...that doesn't ring townie to me. That doesn't even ring 'townie with a role to protect' to me, that rings me as someone who places their own life above everything. I'm not saying we should be careless with our lives, but thus far that seems like your only concern, especially when considering it's the only thing you've brought up period. Li'l Kiel's case on Redblade isn't too shabby either. Just nodding along is either a lazy or scummy person. We won't benefit from having either around.
Dannylonglegs Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Li'l Kiel, self-martyrdom is so passe. Really, it's not about you, dude, it's about what the Town can really work with right now. Personally, I appreciate that you're a strong player and if you are being honest, want to help and lead. I'm just saying I don't think you have a solid plan to help the Town yet. Don't take our analysis of what you're saying personally. I'm not saying you aren't an honest person, I'm saying this game is about lying to people and we have no reason to take anyone at face value. And in this concept, you may be 100% honest with us today and wake up a converted Scum tomorrow. Not to mention the lie detector is very real and was employed in the last game, although Dannylonglegs was killed before he could use it. But, if used properly, it will give us a one-shot investigation and behavior to analyze. So, our time is better spent right now getting everyone to participate for the lie detector and analyzing how people respond to that than arguing over the importance of your proclamation of honesty. So, please move on. Holy crap! I actually forgot all about that! I am a Townie
Scouty Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Vote: Li'l Scouty. Here's his obligatory 'Big Cam megablocks-ploded' post. Obligatory? Now, now, I know when to tell a joke when I see one. The cafeteria joke was perfectly in line (it wasn't even "oh, BC's big behind explode, oh no!" Sort of post ). Obligatory, pah. And here's his closest thing to a contribution.I know others have been skulking around just as much as him, but when you equate mayorship to death and openly fear it just because you label yourself good...that doesn't ring townie to me. That doesn't even ring 'townie with a role to protect' to me, that rings me as someone who places their own life above everything. I'm not saying we should be careless with our lives, but thus far that seems like your only concern, especially when considering it's the only thing you've brought up period. Well, yeah, it's true, but you have to remember that this is the beginning. We have so very little to go on. So very, very few (and even nought) people to trust. So, yeah, I don't have much reason not to put my life above, since I only know who I am and nothing about anybody else. This is day one, I expect my attitude to be different day two and on when I get a grasp of things better. Also, "doesn't ring townie to me" congrats, you're getting the point of the game . I haven't had much reason to pip in today, though I do try to keep up, pop in from time to time, and spot anything suspicious in my eye.Which there are some that have been spotted. For one, I don't find Kiel's or yours cases particularly strong, yours especially. You don't even go so far as to accuse me of planting big behind explosives, more like a "I'm going to vote for you like a slap in the face to get you talking". Well, hi, how're you doing? . Kiel's case is stronger, but when I read it I can think of ways to debunk it. Then again, it's just day one, so such a case isn't too out of line. I keep chasing my tail in situations like this If I had to point to who I think would be scum, it would be you two, but honestly, it's only my gut talking and not my brain, but it's good to get such suspicions out. (Though that didn't serve me too well when a certain JimB was loose for so long before) Beaver out. I suppose I ought to do it. I'm not too sure if there is a lie detector around this time (especially with fewer numbers), but it's honestly just a couple pixels words to say, so: I am town. I am as town as I was when I was a Seer, which I'm not now.
CMP Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Well, yeah, it's true, but you have to remember that this is the beginning. We have so very little to go on. So very, very few (and even nought) people to trust. So, yeah, I don't have much reason not to put my life above, since I only know who I am and nothing about anybody else. This is day one, I expect my attitude to be different day two and on when I get a grasp of things better. Also, "doesn't ring townie to me" congrats, you're getting the point of the game . I haven't had much reason to pip in today, though I do try to keep up, pop in from time to time, and spot anything suspicious in my eye. Like I said, we shouldn't be careless with our lives, but when the only thing you post all day is stating that you don't want to be mayor because a mayor is likely to die, it makes you look selfish/scummy. You've been at this far too long to be selfish with your life. Which there are some that have been spotted. For one, I don't find Kiel's or yours cases particularly strong, yours especially. You don't even go so far as to accuse me of planting big behind explosives, more like a "I'm going to vote for you like a slap in the face to get you talking". Well, hi, how're you doing? . Kiel's case is stronger, but when I read it I can think of ways to debunk it. Then again, it's just day one, so such a case isn't too out of line. I keep chasing my tail in situations like this There's hardly any strong cases on Day One. I'm glad you can agree with that, at least, so I hope you'll understand that I'm not unvoting you just yet. If I had to point to who I think would be scum, it would be you two, but honestly, it's only my gut talking and not my brain, but it's good to get such suspicions out. (Though that didn't serve me too well when a certain JimB was loose for so long before) Beaver out. Interesting. Your gut tells you that the only two people who have made cases against anyone in an attempt to get anywhere today are scummy? Twitchy little beaver... My vote stands.
Capt. Redblade Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 --- Overall, what struck me the most about Li'l Redblade is he almost seemed to agree with everything I posted (see posts above), in stark contrast to those who heavily scrutinized my posts (Li'l Hinckley, Li'l Pandy, Li'l Rick). I just think it's too easy a strategy for a potential scum to piggyback on a townie who's been very vocal from the very start. Add a couple of role-playing posts here and there and you have someone who appears to be active, not too much nor too low in the activity radar. Day 1 lynches are tricky with nothing much to go about but a few behavioral reads on several posts, so I wouldn't claim my argument as solid or strong, but he's just the one who strikes me the most as scummy. So I'll Vote: Li'l Capt. Redblade. Of course, I'd give Redblade the chance to explain himself and I could unvote and change my vote anytime if I'm convinced I'm barking on the wrong tree. Alright, let me explain things from my perspective. You're braver man than I, Li'l Kiel. Mayor: Li'l KielDaMan Fact: we needed a mayor. Fact: you were the only one who had risen his hand at that point. We needed to get the ball rolling and pick somebody, so I went for you. My understanding was that not picking someone would result in a random person getting stuck with the job, which popular opinion says very often equates to a death warrant. Because you seemed unafraid of such things and were the only legitimate candidate thus far, I chose you. I don't think we should sit idle on this. Mayor may be a hazardous role, but if we don't pick one then Teacher may very well do so for us, and I don't think any of us fancies being the poor schmuck on whose back he essentially paints a big red target. If someone is brave enough to volunteer for a job nobody wants to do, knowing that it may result in an unfortunate and incurable case of death, then I will encourage him. I am not brave enough to volunteer for such a job, but I respect the man who does, and you should too. This statement was made in response to Li'l Nightshroud, who said: Nevermind, after reading everything I don't think Lil Kieldaman should be mayor, in fact I don't think anyone should. The rules don't say that there is a penalty for not voting for mayor, right? Unless I missed something. I was going to suggest we could all vote for ourselves, which would piss Mr. def off I'm sure, but that couldn't work now. Mayor isn't a necessary role at the moment, and given the last game, might just be suicide. Ugh... I have already said why I thought we needed to elect a mayor. Nightshroud was brushing off the idea altogether, and I was trying to explain to him why that was a bad idea. When I said I respect the man who volunteers, it wasn't you meant to mean you specifically, but anyone who volunteers for a risky job in any situation. I think this makes sense. There are some potential risks, but it would give us some insight into who we can trust. And that is valuable insight to have on Day One. This one I chock up to the usual first-day jitters. I am naturally wary of everyone, even in real life, and I think that lends itself poorly to mafia. When I first read your post, I failed to see past the opportunity to build up a town block, and thus I didn't fully take the time to really think about it and run the scenario over in my head, nor did I see Li'l Hinckley's post disputing it. I overlooked the flaws in your plan, which were apparently obvious to everyone else, and I do feel rather stupid about that. It was an honest error in judgement (be fair, that happens a lot on Day One) and I'll cop to it. He makes as convincing a non-alien as he did a non-werewolf. Well, that was just a simple joke at Li'l Zepher's expense. Can't really blame a guy for a harmless joke. I just think it's too easy a strategy for a potential scum to piggyback on a townie who's been very vocal from the very start. Add a couple of role-playing posts here and there and you have someone who appears to be active, not too much nor too low in the activity radar. Day 1 lynches are tricky with nothing much to go about but a few behavioral reads on several posts, so I wouldn't claim my argument as solid or strong, but he's just the one who strikes me the most as scummy. You're right. It is too easy a strategy. That's why I probably wouldn't do it. I like to think that if I was scum I'd be smarter than to simply agree with an active townie in order to schmooze up to them and look townie by association. It's lazy as a strategy and it can be very obvious as a scumtell. Day One lynches are a bugger, and it can be easy to grasp at too many straws and end up barking up the wrong tree, but I gotta tell ya, that's exactly what's happening here, brother.
TrumpetKing Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Vote: Li'l Zepher I just think his overall behavior is strange, and I don't know how I feel about his attitude about the PM's. I'm just unsure about him, the things he said almost completely contradict eachother, and I believe we are supposed to "Lynch All Liars". I know that we aren't supposed to use Role PM's to our advantage, and I don't think that's what I'm doing. I am voting for him because of his inconsistencies.
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