Hinckley Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 My absences were me just trying to be fun, Li'l Hinck. I actually was gone, I have schooling during the time the day started, which is why I was 4 hours later during Day 1, and I didn't have internet access the second time. And the Harlem Shake just came from others talking about it earlier. There was no joke in the second one, but like I said, not a strong point. I do find it slightly suspicious about CM's feeling stongly about not being killed. It makes me a little nervous. I would think that if he didn't get killed tonight, that might actually make him a good lynch target tomorrow because he feels so confident, actually. The mayor actually is much safer this time because the Scum will probably not want to target him since he is much more likely to be watched/protected/recruitment blocked, etc. I agree that Li'l Corn is safe from being killed this time around and don't think we should lynch him tomorrow if he survives. His statement included something about opening a can of whoop megablocks for the Scum if they target him. Maybe this is WIFOM on Li'l Corn's part and something for us to bear in mind, but since you think the Scum weren't likely to put themselves up as mayor, why are his words suspicious to you? Do we know that we have a watcher for sure yet? That's actually not a bad idea. I wasn't thinking about the watcher, and that would be smart. How you know about the watcher for-sure though is odd in a townie sort of way. I never said I knew for sure. EB I Town had one, most EB games have one. Even when it's called a tracker, they have one. The lead towards Cecilie was that her PM wasn't similar to Zepher's, which actually isn't a very strong lead, because there are plenty of reasons why they weren't the same. If you read what Zepher says, he makes kind of a stretch in logic to accuse you and Cecilie of not having the same one. While the actual wording of the PMs shouldn't be discussed, it should be made clear that Li'l Zeph was over-reaching a bit to make an accusation based on his poor memory of what something said: I'm inclined to direct you to this. I was wrong. The scum and I both don't know if I'm recruitable. In fact, EVERY town member can be recruited to the masons. Or did your non-town PM not come with a similar advisory that both sides might be looking into you, because the scum wouldn't need to be looking into you? And Cecile, similar question. Mr. def, please note that my analysis will not go into PM structure. Just want to make sure I don't get penalty votes for pointing out a secondary point to the original PM issue. What Zepher does here, regardless of the rule it is skirting, is base an accusation on his false memory of the actual wording. It's a stretch and a very weak accusation no matter what the role PM says. What I find interesting is that the accusation is directed at you, and secondarily at Cecilie, and you note how suspicious it makes Cecilie look and so does Li'l Pie. Ping. It looks like you are trying to take the suspicion off of you and re-direct it on Li'l Cec. Explain how two just-in-case's is scummy, please. It's just too much, I suppose. Why did it need "just in case" at all. It's hard to explain it words. It's just a gut feelingTM. Really, both of his claims were townie, seeing as how the PM's def provided in thread were provided. I think the vanilla one is more townie, though, because it is a lot more clear to what Zepher said in thread, I believe. One of the basic role PMs def posted is more Townie than the other one? I'm confident where my vote is. Sorry.
TrumpetKing Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Thank you for clarifying why CM felt safe. I personally didn't understand it. Mr. def, please note that my analysis will not go into PM structure. Just want to make sure I don't get penalty votes for pointing out a secondary point to the original PM issue. What Zepher does here, regardless of the rule it is skirting, is base an accusation on his false memory of the actual wording. It's a stretch and a very weak accusation no matter what the role PM says. What I find interesting is that the accusation is directed at you, and secondarily at Cecilie, and you note how suspicious it makes Cecilie look and so does Li'l Pie. Ping. It looks like you are trying to take the suspicion off of you and re-direct it on Li'l Cec. Is this a ping on me? How so? It's just too much, I suppose. Why did it need "just in case" at all. It's hard to explain it words. It's just a gut feelingTM. Because we don't know for sure that there is a lie detector. One of the basic role PMs def posted is more Townie than the other one? I'm confident where my vote is. Sorry. Yes, because obviously they are both town, but the PR one doesn't mention conversion. Note to Mr. def, I'm not trying to go into the PM structure too much, just based off of what Zepher said. The one Zepher said he had at first was the vanilla one, and then he said his was a PR one based off of the quoted information. The PR one is less clear about conversions than the vanilla one if I read it correctly, which made him seem scummier then, before we had the quoted information. However, I'm still slightly confused about Zepher, and what his PM really says, but we won't know until the end. As for Corny, they were suspicious because of his confidence for the night. My basis for a possible lynch toward him came from his confidence to survive, but now that you have described how he is less likely to die, I don't think he should be lynched should he survive. As for "taking suspicion off of me and putting it on Cecilie", I don't remember saying it was a strong lead. I said it was an OK lead, and it really shouldn't be looked into due to the fact that the PM's could have been phrased differently.
Capt. Redblade Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I'm getting an uneasy feeling about Li'l TrumpetKing's case against Li'l Zepher. First, he agrees with Zepher: Sorry I have been gone, guys! Li'l Zepher, despite being an Earthling, seems to want the recruit-able players dead. I can see his thinking on that, and I actually don't think that it is that scummy. The recruiting team of scum is obviously going to want recruit-able players recruited rather than killed, so if I understood the gist of what he was saying, he would rather the recruit-able players dead. This could actually be an asset yet a disadvantage for the town, but more-so a disadvantage. On one side, it keeps the scum from recruiting anybody, but on another side, it brings our numbers down (which does make a little "ping" noise in my head towards Li'l Zepher), and it means that we can't confirm other people the easy way (using any future mason results to root out scum). Then he starts to call him out: Li'l Zepher, I don't know why you would say that. Now the scum know that you are apparently recruit-able, and that is not good. Though the masons also know you are recruit-able, I'm not sure who the recruiting goes to. I didn't see any rules about that earlier. I'm becoming more and more inclined to vote for you, even if you are town, because the scum now have an easy recruitment, and I am thinking that we need to stop that from happening. I didn't see anything in the post you linked to about tiebreakers, if that is what you were referring to. You had said that your PM said you could be recruited into the masons or the scum. And would you please explain everything about my "non-town" PM that you think I have? I'm having trouble making sense of it. And the fact that I don't want you recruited into the scum can easily disclose your "Li'l TrumpetKing has a non-town PM" theory. Do you really think I would have said anything about that if I were scum? I said that I was worried you would get recruited to the scum, which I didn't want, so it might be better to lynch you so the scum don't get an advantage. Sorry. Then, he changes tack and points the finger at Cecilie out of nowhere: Li'l Cecilie said she didn't recall seeing that. The odd thing is that it appears that after she said that she left without filling us in on if her PM actually did say that. That gives us an O.K. lead on her. Not super strong, but it does seem pretty scummy. I feel that the question asked by Li'l Chromeknight does imply that everybody's PM says that, though we don't know that. It is very possible that Mr. def only wrote that on some PM's, and possibly forgot to on others. I don't know about the leads, because there is always the possibility that the PM's were differently written, but I doubt Mr. def would confirm that, so we can only go off of pure speculation, which in turn is an O.K. lead, as I said before. Our vig better be taking some good notes... Oh, and now he wants to drop the argument against Zepher: Sorry, that is how I read it. It's still really similar to what I thought you said, though. I meant to respond to this, too. I actually had mentioned a similar possibility, which involved him wording PM's differently. It's also a good thing you mention that rule, do you think we should simply stop talking about it? And now he's back to accusing Zepher... Vote: Li'l Zepher I just think his overall behavior is strange, and I don't know how I feel about his attitude about the PM's. I'm just unsure about him, the things he said almost completely contradict eachother, and I believe we are supposed to "Lynch All Liars". I know that we aren't supposed to use Role PM's to our advantage, and I don't think that's what I'm doing. I am voting for him because of his inconsistencies. And finally, he explains why he feels compelled to vote for someone he believes is town. He asks if the vig would like to take care of Zepher, despite his belief that Zepher is town. Essentially he's announcing his intention to get rid of a townie one way or the other. I hate voting for Zepher because I think he's town. But, his "inconsistencies" are because in one post he was saying he had a vanilla PM and in another he was saying he had a PR PM. I think it is pretty clear that he can't be both. The reason I'm voting for him is because he has leaked his PM information somehow, and now the scum will try to convert him, along with the masons, and I believe some have said that when masons and scum have the same target, it goes to the scum. We won't be getting a scum in lynching him, and I'm not all for lynching townies, but this is one exception that needs to be made, unless the vig would like to take care of that. I would be happy to unvote Li'l Zepher, because if you take away the things from the PM, (which we shouldn't be talking about, me included), there really is nothing against him. And as a side-note, Li'l TBW, I wasn't asked to provide a reason. That wasn't an excuse. I explained that in my original post where I voted for him. Unvote: Li'l Zepher Zepher, I'm sorry about the trouble. We really shouldn't be talking about the PM, so you have a clean slate in my mind. I hope TrumpetKing can make up his mind at some point. Until then, however, I am not comfortable with how often he changes his mind. He could be an indecisive townie, or he could be scum trying to sow the seeds of distraction. For now, I will... Vote: Li'l TrumpetKing (TrumpetKing)
Endgame Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I do not see how, when the grounds of being inconcistent being the gist of some of the votes on you, you choose to make another move out of the blue. At this point, it seems like faliling. My vote stands.
Hinckley Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 As for "taking suspicion off of me and putting it on Cecilie", I don't remember saying it was a strong lead. I said it was an OK lead, and it really shouldn't be looked into due to the fact that the PM's could have been phrased differently. Indeed. Didn't expect a lead this early, but best not to look the gift werewolf in the mouth. Li'l Cecilie said she didn't recall seeing that. The odd thing is that it appears that after she said that she left without filling us in on if her PM actually did say that. That gives us an O.K. lead on her. Not super strong, but it does seem pretty scummy. I feel that the question asked by Li'l Chromeknight does imply that everybody's PM says that, though we don't know that. It is very possible that Mr. def only wrote that on some PM's, and possibly forgot to on others. I don't know about the leads, because there is always the possibility that the PM's were differently written, but I doubt Mr. def would confirm that, so we can only go off of pure speculation, which in turn is an O.K. lead, as I said before. Our vig better be taking some good notes... I threw Li'l Pie's response in there too for good measure. You do say an "OK" lead and that it makes her seem "pretty Scummy". On Day One, OK lead and pretty Scummy are usually pretty good suspicions to follow. So, if Li'l Zeph's accusation reads the same to both of you, why is it an OK lead and pretty Scummy for Li'l Cec, but not for Li'l you?
TrumpetKing Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Redblade: At the beginning, I wasn't necessarily agreeing with Zeph. I wasn't exactly trying to point the finger of suspicion at Cecilie. I said that while it does make her look scummy (it did to me at the time), there are plenty of possibilities as to why it was like that. I went back to accusing Zeph because the situation was still being discussed, so I kept my point going. It's not that I wanted to get rid of a townie, I wanted to get rid of a townie who was otherwise likely to be converted. But now, I have a sneaking suspicion that if the vig kills Zeph, he won't be converted, which would make me look bad, I am aware of, so it might not be a good idea to kill him. Hinckley: I'm still not quite getting how Zeph's accusation even involved me. I never said that my PM didn't say that, and I never said it didn't. It's totally fine to accuse me for being back and forth, but not for that, because I never said anything about my Role PM.
Nightshroud99 Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I'm a townie The reason I'm voting for him is because he has leaked his PM information somehow, and now the scum will try to convert him, along with the masons, and I believe some have said that when masons and scum have the same target, it goes to the scum. Why would the masons even try to recruit him if the scum get first recruitment? That doesn't make any sense. Lil Hinckley and Lil Capt Redblade have made some good points at you, and it's nice when everything is laid out. I get the impression you are a nervous and confused person. Probably because you're scum. I'd say this is better than an O.K. lead, and if you do turn up scum Lil Cecilie may be next. Vote: Li'l TrumpetKing (TrumpetKing)
Cecilie Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I gotta say, Li'l Trumpet is not making a lot of sense today . But does he ever? The way he's been acting today I'm inclined to vote for him, but I'm actually wondering if maybe Li'l CMP is more scummy, the way he first agreed with Li'l Trumpet about there being a lead on me, and then he quickly disregards it all when nobody else seems to be agreeing. Trying to blend in, maybe?
Nightshroud99 Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I gotta say, Li'l Trumpet is not making a lot of sense today . But does he ever? The way he's been acting today I'm inclined to vote for him, but I'm actually wondering if maybe Li'l CMP is more scummy, the way he first agreed with Li'l Trumpet about there being a lead on me, and then he quickly disregards it all when nobody else seems to be agreeing. Trying to blend in, maybe? I'm getting a whole lot of maybe from this. You're not making up your mind and this post is a complete waste. Voting for someone isn't the end of the world... You can unvote. I've never done this before, but Ping.
Rick Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Look, if I appear scummy it's because I want to. <snip> I do, but I hope you don't tunnel vision me simply because its the first day. It doesn't always work, and you'd be wrong (if you're town). Those two lines are in the same quote. I noticed that you think quite a few people are scummy, but I don't think you've explained any of your suspicions yet. First you think "you two" are scum. I asked you to clarify who you were referring to, but you didn't reply. Now you're accusing li'l Wonderboy of being scummy, again without an explanation. I hate voting for Zepher because I think he's town. But, his "inconsistencies" are because in one post he was saying he had a vanilla PM and in another he was saying he had a PR PM. I didn't read it that way. I think Zepher was reinterpreting his role PM. The reason I'm voting for him is because he has leaked his PM information somehow, and now the scum will try to convert him, along with the masons, and I believe some have said that when masons and scum have the same target, it goes to the scum. I think the recruiting scum would rather try to convert someone not in the spotlight on day one. Li'l Hinck mentioned the possibility of li'l Zepher being watched for example. Yes, because obviously they are both town, but the PR one doesn't mention conversion. Note to Mr. def, I'm not trying to go into the PM structure too much, just based off of what Zepher said. The one Zepher said he had at first was the vanilla one, and then he said his was a PR one based off of the quoted information. The PR one is less clear about conversions than the vanilla one if I read it correctly, which made him seem scummier then, before we had the quoted information. However, I'm still slightly confused about Zepher, and what his PM really says, but we won't know until the end. I could offer an alternative explanation for your wishy-washy behaviour. When you initially read Zepher's post, you thought you had found a scummy partner from the other team, because he didn't seem to be aware of the fact that townies don't know if they can be converted. Then, when he explained how he apparently misinterpreted his role PM and you got confirmation from Mr. def about the structure of the town role PMs, you realised he is most likely a townie and wanted to get rid of him. You had to come up with a reason to vote for him and the best you could do was because the scum would try to convert him now that he outed himself as convertible. However, he wasn't outing himself as convertible and he hasn't been outed as being convertible! We knew before the game started that townies would not know if they're convertible or not and it has been confirmed by the Mr. def again today. Vote: Li'l TrumpetKing (TrumpetKing)
Cecilie Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I'm getting a whole lot of maybe from this. You're not making up your mind and this post is a complete waste. Voting for someone isn't the end of the world... You can unvote. I've never done this before, but Ping. Uh, yeah, it's day 1, everything is maybe, what makes you so sure of things? And there's plenty of time to vote, I don't mind discussing things first. If we just vote, then everyone will be content with the bandwagon, and no more discussion will happen.
TrumpetKing Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Li'l Nightshroud, the problem with your statement is that it gives a fairly strong reason to kill him, but I doubt he'll be converted now just to make me look bad. At this point, I really don't think anybody will understand me. I didn't read it that way. I think Zepher was reinterpreting his role PM. I think the recruiting scum would rather try to convert someone not in the spotlight on day one. Li'l Hinck mentioned the possibility of li'l Zepher being watched for example. I could offer an alternative explanation for your wishy-washy behaviour. When you initially read Zepher's post, you thought you had found a scummy partner from the other team, because he didn't seem to be aware of the fact that townies don't know if they can be converted. Then, when he explained how he apparently misinterpreted his role PM and you got confirmation from Mr. def about the structure of the town role PMs, you realised he is most likely a townie and wanted to get rid of him. You had to come up with a reason to vote for him and the best you could do was because the scum would try to convert him now that he outed himself as convertible. However, he wasn't outing himself as convertible and he hasn't been outed as being convertible! We knew before the game started that townies would not know if they're convertible or not and it has been confirmed by the Mr. def again today. I read it that way. I am aware that others did not. I did, but that is just how I read it. I am aware with Hinckley's reasoning, and I do believe that I said I don't think he will be recruited now, in order to make me look bad. It seems to me as if he had outed himself as convertible. I'm really becoming aggravated with this situation. Mr. def's PM structures that were provided in thread actually read to me as if the vanillas know that they can be converted. It says that they may be converted by the scum. And I do not want to say it again. I wanted to lynch him because I didn't want him to be converted. I thought he would be converted because he said that his PM said that he could be converted. That seems like outing somebody as convertible to me. I am beginning to lose my cool with this situation. *takes deep breath* I have tried staying calm here, but I am really becoming aggravated. I have attempted being very repetitive in my explanations for you all ,but it doesn't appear to be working. If you want to lynch me, cool. I'll die happy knowing I tried to defend myself.
Nightshroud99 Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Uh, yeah, it's day 1, everything is maybe, what makes you so sure of things? And there's plenty of time to vote, I don't mind discussing things first. If we just vote, then everyone will be content with the bandwagon, and no more discussion will happen. But you're not discussing anything. Bandwagons aren't always bad, they give intel on vote patterns which are useful later. Usually scum hold off on voting until the end, like what you're doing.
TrumpetKing Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I am about to vote, I want to hear more from this person, and I will retract my vote when he speaks. Vote: Li'l DannyLongLegs
Scouty Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I noticed that you think quite a few people are scummy, but I don't think you've explained any of your suspicions yet. First you think "you two" are scum. I asked you to clarify who you were referring to, but you didn't reply. Now you're accusing li'l Wonderboy of being scummy, again without an explanation. I was/am currently occupied, so I didn't have time to explain further. L'il boy I do want to analyze once I have time this evening. I didn't reply to you because L'il CMP said who I was talking about (him and Kiel), and the only two names I mentioned in that post, so "you two" shouldn't be a hard thing to figure out. To state it clearly, that post was more theoretical than accusatory.
Cecilie Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 But you're not discussing anything. Bandwagons aren't always bad, they give intel on vote patterns which are useful later. Usually scum hold off on voting until the end, like what you're doing. I stated an opinion. How can I discuss if nobody wants to discuss the opinion, but rather just pounce me for stating an opinion with a maybe, because there is no certainty in it, it was just an observation and a thought. You are making no sense. Couldn't you rather comment on my observation, and maybe we can have a discussion about it? Or are you trying to deflect suspicion? And usually, scum don't hold off until the end, because it makes them stick out, they'll be voting in the middle
Pandora Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I hate voting for Zepher because I think he's town. I would be happy to unvote Li'l Zepher, because if you take away the things from the PM, (which we shouldn't be talking about, me included), there really is nothing against him. So we've now run the gamut of you wanting to lynch him for being a townie, to wanting to lynch him for being scummy, and now round to not wanting to lynch him for being townie. Mr. def, please note that my analysis will not go into PM structure. Just want to make sure I don't get penalty votes for pointing out a secondary point to the original PM issue. What Zepher does here, regardless of the rule it is skirting, is base an accusation on his false memory of the actual wording. It's a stretch and a very weak accusation no matter what the role PM says. What I find interesting is that the accusation is directed at you, and secondarily at Cecilie, and you note how suspicious it makes Cecilie look and so does Li'l Pie. Ping. It looks like you are trying to take the suspicion off of you and re-direct it on Li'l Cec. My ticklish sticklerishness tells me to remind you that Chromeknight was also pointing fingers at Cecilie for the same reason. It's not that I wanted to get rid of a townie, I wanted to get rid of a townie who was otherwise likely to be converted. Which is all of us, minus the six that only Mr def knows about (and minus the scum and the masons of course). So you'd like us all dead, just in case? It was made very clear from the start that some of us would and a few of us wouldn't be convertible, and we wouldn't know, so to make a big deal about someone being 'outed as convertible' seems odd. Some of us read that and thought Li'l Zeph had inadvertently shown himself to be scum, but he then went on to clarify and (it seems) most of us are happy with his explanation, and he's looking less scummy/ more townie. You keep insisting you thought he was townie from the start, and then became more scummy, and either way thought he should die today. And now you think he's town again, but this time you don't think he should die... But now, I have a sneaking suspicion that if the vig kills Zeph, he won't be converted, which would make me look bad, I am aware of, so it might not be a good idea to kill him. ... because it will make you look bad? That's all you're worried about here? My vote stands.
Hinckley Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Redblade: At the beginning, I wasn't necessarily agreeing with Zeph. I wasn't exactly trying to point the finger of suspicion at Cecilie. I said that while it does make her look scummy (it did to me at the time), there are plenty of possibilities as to why it was like that. I went back to accusing Zeph because the situation was still being discussed, so I kept my point going. It's not that I wanted to get rid of a townie, I wanted to get rid of a townie who was otherwise likely to be converted. But now, I have a sneaking suspicion that if the vig kills Zeph, he won't be converted, which would make me look bad, I am aware of, so it might not be a good idea to kill him. Why would the vig kill Zeph? This is the weirdest statement of all. Of course Zeph wouldn't be converted if the vig killed him. He'd be dead. So I guess he might be converted but it wouldn't really matter. But would the conversion take place and then we see a dead Scum tomorrow? I don't understand your point there, anyway. And why would you continue to accuse Li'l Zeph when he was the one you were agreeing with about Li'l Cec just before that? You go back to accusing Li'l Zeph before Li'l Cec even answers to the question that you say makes her seem pretty Scummy. It seems like you were happy to accuse anyone who wasn't on your team. If you turn up Scum, I'm betting Zepher and Cecilie are Town...or at least not on your Scum team. This concept can be a bit confounding... I can't even wrap my mind around the points you are trying to make, so either you are horrible at wording your intentions or you're Scum flailing. Who had the lie detector cookies in Heartlake? Was that you? Hinckley: I'm still not quite getting how Zeph's accusation even involved me. I never said that my PM didn't say that, and I never said it didn't. It's totally fine to accuse me for being back and forth, but not for that, because I never said anything about my Role PM. I never said you did say anything about your role PM. Zepher accused you and Cecilie of the same thing and you ignored what he asked you and instead turned it all on Li'l Cec. As stated above, you then dropped it for no apparent reason and went back to accusing the person you had just been agreeing with.
TrumpetKing Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 So we've now run the gamut of you wanting to lynch him for being a townie, to wanting to lynch him for being scummy, and now round to not wanting to lynch him for being townie. I wanted to lynch him because I thought he would be converted. Who here that is town wants a converted scum to stay???!!! Which is all of us, minus the six that only Mr def knows about (and minus the scum and the masons of course). So you'd like us all dead, just in case? No, only 6 of us can be converted. I never said I wanted everyone dead. It seemed to me as if he outed himself as a convertible, then tried to cover it up by saying he misread his PM. It was made very clear from the start that some of us would and a few of us wouldn't be convertible, and we wouldn't know, so to make a big deal about someone being 'outed as convertible' seems odd. Some of us read that and thought Li'l Zeph had inadvertently shown himself to be scum, but he then went on to clarify and (it seems) most of us are happy with his explanation, and he's looking less scummy/ more townie. This is beginning to frustrate me. It looked as if according to Mr. def's clarification a few pages back that the convertibles do know that they can be converted. You keep insisting you thought he was townie from the start, and then became more scummy, and either way thought he should die today. And now you think he's town again, but this time you don't think he should die... I thought he should die because I thought he would be converted. I don't know about anybody else here, but I would personally rather kill a townie who is going to be recruited over keeping a townie who is going to be recruited. But now I doubt he will be recruited, which is why I don't want him to die. Why I don't think he will be recruited? Because I said that the vig should kill him tonight in case he is recruited. There. Now the scum likely won't recruit him, so if I survive today (Which I doubt), I will look even more scummy. ... because it will make you look bad? That's all you're worried about here? Yes, because if I look bad, then I will be lynched, and we will be down a townie. Not that I'm not going to be lynched today.... I look bad enough..... My vote stands. Cool. Why would the vig kill Zeph? This is the weirdest statement of all. Of course Zeph wouldn't be converted if the vig killed him. He'd be dead. So I guess he might be converted but it wouldn't really matter. But would the conversion take place and then we see a dead Scum tomorrow? I don't understand your point there, anyway. Yes, the conversion would take place. In Eurobricks Mafia I, I killed DP the same night he was converted, and he turned up as scum. So if the scum decided not to convert him, and the vigilante decided to kill him in case he was converted, then I would look worse if I were to survive today, for at first saying I was for sure he would be converted. And why would you continue to accuse Li'l Zeph when he was the one you were agreeing with about Li'l Cec just before that? You go back to accusing Li'l Zeph before Li'l Cec even answers to the question that you say makes her seem pretty Scummy. It seems like you were happy to accuse anyone who wasn't on your team. If you turn up Scum, I'm betting Zepher and Cecilie are Town...or at least not on your Scum team. This concept can be a bit confounding... I can't even wrap my mind around the points you are trying to make, so either you are horrible at wording your intentions or you're Scum flailing. Just because I agree with somebody doesn't mean that I don't think they are scum. I called out Zeph because his changing/misunderstanding of the PM seemed scummy to me. And if I turn up town? Who had the lie detector cookies in Heartlake? Was that you? Yes. Would you like some? I never said you did say anything about your role PM. Zepher accused you and Cecilie of the same thing and you ignored what he asked you and instead turned it all on Li'l Cec. As stated above, you then dropped it for no apparent reason and went back to accusing the person you had just been agreeing with. The quote you had provided was Zeph saying Cec and I had similar PM's when I had not clarified anything. And I actually did respond to him.
Hinckley Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 My ticklish sticklerishness tells me to remind you that Chromeknight was also pointing fingers at Cecilie for the same reason. Hey Tickler, can you point out to me where? I know Li'l Pie and Li'l Trump did, but I don't see Li'l Chrome saying the same thing.
CMP Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I did find Li'l Cecilie suspicious for that reason, but since Mr. Def reminded us it is against the rules and spirit of the game to suspect somebody for that reason, I dropped it and found a suspect I find scummy because of a behavioral reason. It was halfway through Day One, I try not to discount any suspects during that time, no matter how weak the reasoning.
Pandora Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I wanted to lynch him because I thought he would be converted. Who here that is town wants a converted scum to stay???!!! Uhm nobody, but it was the very fact that you thought he would be converted that was odd. No, only 6 of us can be converted. I never said I wanted everyone dead. It seemed to me as if he outed himself as a convertible, then tried to cover it up by saying he misread his PM. So you do understand some of the conversion issues discussed. In fact you have corrected me. I thought he should die because I thought he would be converted. I don't know about anybody else here, but I would personally rather kill a townie who is going to be recruited over keeping a townie who is going to be recruited. But now I doubt he will be recruited, which is why I don't want him to die. Why I don't think he will be recruited? Because I said that the vig should kill him tonight in case he is recruited. There. Now the scum likely won't recruit him, so if I survive today (Which I doubt), I will look even more scummy. I can understand you're frustrated, but you're arguing in circles. We were told that nobody would know who was convertible or not, so, as I've said, the fact you thought someone had 'outed' themself as convertible town was odd. And the fact that you assumed that someone outed as such would automatically be converted by the scum, and thus should preemptively die. Not that you would want to look for anyone else who might be suspicious. You would rather look for "clearly convertible" townies (which most of us think don't exist) and get rid of them rather than look for scum. That's how it seems to me. Hey Tickler, can you point out to me where? I know Li'l Pie and Li'l Trump did, but I don't see Li'l Chrome saying the same thing. Sure, it's here: That leads to the interesting question of why your pm doesn't say that Cecilie?
TrumpetKing Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Uhm nobody, but it was the very fact that you thought he would be converted that was odd. I know, but it really isn't odd after seeing the samples that Mr. def gave to the scum, and were also posted here. So you do understand some of the conversion issues discussed. In fact you have corrected me. Yes, I do. I can understand you're frustrated, but you're arguing in circles. We were told that nobody would know who was convertible or not, so, as I've said, the fact you thought someone had 'outed' themself as convertible town was odd. And the fact that you assumed that someone outed as such would automatically be converted by the scum, and thus should preemptively die. Not that you would want to look for anyone else who might be suspicious. You would rather look for "clearly convertible" townies (which most of us think don't exist) and get rid of them rather than look for scum. That's how it seems to me. It's not that I don't want to look into the suspicious ones, but the only one who I said was clearly convertible was Zepher, because of what he said about his PM. I could care less about the clearly convertible townies, but Zepher has stood himself out for conversion if you compare his statements with the samples, IMO. Both of his statements match the two samples provided later, so now we don't know if he is convertible, and we won't ever know until the end of the game.
Palathadric Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 I highly doubt scum would be able to provoke a tie. Think about it, in all the mafia games that were played on Eurobricks, there never has been a tie (I think). Scum won Bedtime Story due to a tie...I should know. But perhaps you weren't including Mafia Schools...or you were only talking about games with mayors.
Hinckley Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Sure, it's here: Der. How did I miss that? Well, stickle me any time baby. So, actual PM structure aside, we have three people pounce on Cecilie when Li'l Zeph makes a stretch of an accusation based on her asking for clarification of something he admits to wording wrong. All three of them choose Li'l Cec, even though the main accusation from Li'l Zeph is aimed at Li'l Trump. That's a li'l weird... I did find Li'l Cecilie suspicious for that reason, but since Mr. Def reminded us it is against the rules and spirit of the game to suspect somebody for that reason, I dropped it and found a suspect I find scummy because of a behavioral reason. It was halfway through Day One, I try not to discount any suspects during that time, no matter how weak the reasoning. Nobody is asking you about the structure of the role PM. I'm asking why you chose to focus on Cecilie when Li'l Zeph was accusing her and Li'l Trump.
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