Eurobricks Mafia II: Mafia School: Day Two

[Zepher]

I did accuse others. Today and yesterday.

Since you seem unwilling to share your suspicions even... Vote: Lil' Scouty (Scouty). This vote is subject to change. You seem genuinely unaware that there are two scum teams... which again looks like ignorance, and not a scum tell. But we have no other leads. So give us some.

Or someone else give us one. Is ANYONE pinging ANYONE ELSE'S radar. Please, please, please speak up. Redblade, you've been fluffy all game. Who has been pinging YOUR scumdar? Lil' Nightshroud pinged for the same reason Lil' Pal said, and he has seemed particularly jump on what everyone else is saying... esque.

I'm going to return to my lunar-sphere now. By which I mean my desk.

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Vote Tally:

Li'l Pirate Dave 4 (penalty x 4)

Li'l Scouty 5 (Kiel, Nightshroud, CallMePie, Endgame, Zepher)

Li'l Boy Wonder 1 (Scouty)

[Cecilie]

Normally everyone is pinging my scumdar and I am really paranoid as I see "scummy" signs everywhere, but that doesn't seem to be happening this time around.

Oh really? Maybe it's because you're scum, and you're having a hard time sniffing out your scum buddies? Everyone seem town to you?

On the subject of Li'l Scouty, I don't really know what to think. On the one hand, some valid points are raised against him, but the way he's reacting to the whole thing makes it seem like he's alone in this world, and doesn't find comfort anywhere. My gut is telling me he's not scum, but I've been wrong about him before, so maybe I shouldn't listen to my gut ...

[TheBoyWonder]

Give me some questions and Ill answer Scouty.

But in the meanwhile,

Vote: Scouty

[Palathadric]

I don't really see Scouty escaping the lynch today. Personally, I am more comfortable voting for Nightshroud than him though as I really don't think Scouty is scum.

Vote: Li'l Nightshroud

[Rick]

I find it's early in the day and in the voting process for Li'l Scouty to give up, which is perhaps more the attitude of an isolated townie rather than that of a scum member who has a team to support and supporting him. Were he scum, I would also have expected at least a vote in some other direction by now, which hasn't happened. Unless Scouty was the only partner of our now departed friend Li'l Danny. That could explain the negativism, but I will admit myself that it's a far-fetched theory.

I agree that he sounds rather desperate and alone. Li'l Scouty being scum and being on the recruiting team is a far-fetched, but it would explain his behaviour at the start of the day, when he first seemed to suggest he's town because Danny turned out to be scum and then said it at least ensures he wasn't on li'l Danny's team. Maybe Danny thought he'd be a potential vig target (as he might have indeed been) after gathering a couple of votes yesterday and that's why he cast his vote for Scouty at the end of the day, in an attempt to clear him should he be kiled. And maybe it's Scouty struggling between signaling he's scum and defending himself at the same time that explains his rather erratic behaviour today.

I don't really see Scouty escaping the lynch today. Personally, I am more comfortable voting for Nightshroud than him though as I really don't think Scouty is scum.

So, your opinion on him has changed from yesterday when you "didn't get a scummy vibe off him"?

[Walter Kovacs]

I agree that he sounds rather desperate and alone. Li'l Scouty being scum and being on the recruiting team is a far-fetched, but it would explain his behaviour at the start of the day, when he first seemed to suggest he's town because Danny turned out to be scum and then said it at least ensures he wasn't on li'l Danny's team. Maybe Danny thought he'd be a potential vig target (as he might have indeed been) after gathering a couple of votes yesterday and that's why he cast his vote for Scouty at the end of the day, in an attempt to clear him should he be kiled. And maybe it's Scouty struggling between signaling he's scum and defending himself at the same time that explains his rather erratic behaviour today.

Perhaps he's alone because his conversion attempt failed, and he really IS the only scum recruiter left? It's a possibility.

I've been wavering between believing Scouty is Town and believing he is scum all day. His giving up midday really led me toward the Townie side. I just couldn't see scum doing that. Unless it was a ploy. Pretend to give up while there is plenty of hours left in the day, then suddenly "get your sea-legs" and fight back while you have everyone's sympathy. It seems plausible to me. Plausible enough to:

Vote: Li'l Scouty

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Vote Tally:

Li'l Pirate Dave 4 (penalty x 4)

Li'l Scouty 7 (Kiel, Nightshroud, CallMePie, Endgame, Zepher, The Boy Wonder, Walter Kovacs)

Li'l Boy Wonder 1 (Scouty)

Li'l Nightshroud 1 (Palathadric)

24 hours left in the day!

[Capt. Redblade]

Or someone else give us one. Is ANYONE pinging ANYONE ELSE'S radar. Please, please, please speak up. Redblade, you've been fluffy all game. Who has been pinging YOUR scumdar? Lil' Nightshroud pinged for the same reason Lil' Pal said, and he has seemed particularly jump on what everyone else is saying... esque.

I'm going to return to my lunar-sphere now. By which I mean my desk.

Unfortunately I've had much of my attention divided between my schoolwork (in-game and otherwise) and the debacle surrounding Li'l Scouty, so my scumdar hasn't been properly calibrated today. I have an idea or two but I still need to flesh them out. I'll post more when I'm not on my phone.

[Hinckley]

Perhaps he's alone because his conversion attempt failed, and he really IS the only scum recruiter left? It's a possibility.

I've been wavering between believing Scouty is Town and believing he is scum all day. His giving up midday really led me toward the Townie side. I just couldn't see scum doing that. Unless it was a ploy. Pretend to give up while there is plenty of hours left in the day, then suddenly "get your sea-legs" and fight back while you have everyone's sympathy. It seems plausible to me. Plausible enough to:

Vote: Li'l Scouty

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That's the mind-megablock of this game setup. Vote: Li'l Scouty (Scouty)

If we don't lynch him we'll keep wondering if this is all an act or not. It's an odd strategy: backed into a corner, behave like a Townie who is giving up. My big concern is how many people are stating just that reason for not voting for him: these are the actions of an isolated Townie. Are they? It almost seems like Li'l Scout is spending all of his time defending himself and distracting us with "quitting" instead of providing any analysis into player behavior or even bothering to comment on the other suspects mentioned.

[Peanuts]

On the fact of those who bothered to make a case, I don't find it entirely unreasonable that a scum might want to do that. Li'l Trumpet was town and Li'l Pandy didn't get any retribution, being the person who started the case against him. There's not as much risk in lynching a townie (if done right, which with high skill, I think, is possible) as one might think. I'm not saying Li'l Pandy is scum for lynching a townie, it's just an example. So then, I don't think it was entirely unreasonable to be suspicious of any cases made, especially when you see that a town member slips up (like me, being quiet) and becomes an easy target for a scum to set up. In this set up it's a little more riskier for scum to do, but it's still a good way for scum to see the reaction of the people they accuse and begin the process of uniting the two teams.

I don't think the scum would actively try to get anyone lynched, out of fear that they might end up lynching one of their own by accident. That's why Danny voting for you doesn't clear you one bit, it just means you were not on the same team, but it doesn't mean, that you aren't both scum.

The case against you is not the best I've ever seen on Day Two, but it's the best we can go on right now. One third of the day is left, and I seriously doubt something better will come up.

Fortune favors the bold, as they say.

Vote: Li'l Scouty

On another note, we all said yesterday we were town, in order to give a possible Lie Detector something to test. Thing is, people can be converted, and I am afraid the Lie Detector might get skewed results. Do you think we should state our towniness once a day from now on? Well, it's just three words, so: I am town.

[Piratedave84]

So I just re-read Scouty's most recent posts and I am quite sad to see that as opposed to indulge his accusers and elaborate on his own theories he has choosen to defend himself ... again ... which is something he had pledged not to do ...

As Hinck just pointed out, if we don't lynch him today, we will wonder again tomorrow and it will again, probably, turn into a dead end. I was hoping it was a gambit and that by this time he would have turned around and laid out a case or explanation for his bahaviour.

so based on this:

Vote: Li'l Scouty (Scouty)

Double checks bold-ness ... Yup good to go!

[Hinckley]

On another note, we all said yesterday we were town, in order to give a possible Lie Detector something to test. Thing is, people can be converted, and I am afraid the Lie Detector might get skewed results. Do you think we should state our towniness once a day from now on? Well, it's just three words, so: I am town.

That's a good point. Would the statement apply to the time it was said? I am aligned with the Town. Still. So far...

[Walter Kovacs]

That's a good point. Would the statement apply to the time it was said?

I wouldn't think it would. From my understanding of the role, the Lie Detector takes one statement from one player, and asks the Host if it is true. There are probably some other caveats, provisos and some quid pro quos on what can and can't be asked, but that's it in a nutshell. I can't imagine the timestamp on the statement matters. Still, just to be safe:

I am a Townie.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Not being satisfied with Scouty's defense and hoping that he does provide us with his thoughts on other people before the end of the day, I'm going to

Vote: Li'l Scouty

I'm glad you're not giving up but you still need to do some work to convince me.

I am aligned with town.

I would suggest that whomever has the lie detector asks Mr. Def to clarify for that person about statement timing and any other questions that might be relevant before using what I believe is a one shot ability. Make it count.

[Zepher]

I am town.

Worth trying. Not much else to say. Still waiting on anyone to come forth with other accusations. Even if not for today, something so we can hit the ground running tomorrow.

[Scouty]

I don't have a lot of time to reply to comments at the moment, and I cannot guarantee that I can provide a strong analysis, but I find that the reason to vote for me because I cannot provide an analysis, a suspicion (which I have, Li'l BoyWonder, I'm looking at you...Zepher, please come up with the other quite folk you were crusading against...please...) is a cop out. I've told you before that I cannot pull such information today, it's not within my means, and to deny that fact is to not believe in second chances.

Am I the one that got away? I asked that before and nobody answered. Nobody. Had somebody did, I probably would have replied metagaming. I know by lynching me you'll understand who I am, but I can think of other ways to find that out, that doesn't involve my death, which would be a loss. At this point, it's my opinion (biased or not) that there's more to learn by lynching somebody else (BoyWonder, for example) than myself.

[TheBoyWonder]

Do you have a vendetta against me Scouty? I hate to say it, but if you don't give me something to answer, what the hell am I meant to do?

[Nightshroud99]

On another note, we all said yesterday we were town, in order to give a possible Lie Detector something to test. Thing is, people can be converted, and I am afraid the Lie Detector might get skewed results. Do you think we should state our towniness once a day from now on? Well, it's just three words, so: I am town.

This is a very good idea.

I'm a townie.

[Rick]

I don't think the scum would actively try to get anyone lynched, out of fear that they might end up lynching one of their own by accident. That's why Danny voting for you doesn't clear you one bit, it just means you were not on the same team, but it doesn't mean, that you aren't both scum.

It was quite clear l'il Trumpetking was going to be lynched by the time li'l Danny voted, so the risk involved in voting for a scum team member was not that high. As I said earlier, Danny didn't make an unreasonable vig target, so he might have planned this in case he'd get killed.

Do you think we should state our towniness once a day from now on?

I am aligned with the Town.

Am I the one that got away? I asked that before and nobody answered. Nobody. Had somebody did, I probably would have replied metagaming. I know by lynching me you'll understand who I am, but I can think of other ways to find that out, that doesn't involve my death, which would be a loss. At this point, it's my opinion (biased or not) that there's more to learn by lynching somebody else (BoyWonder, for example) than myself.

I don't think people are suspecting you because you got away yesterday. You're repeating it however, the first time you mentioned it today you even put it in quotes, and the rest of your statement is so cryptic, that I'm almost starting to think you're reaching out to the other scum team with your words.

Vote: Li'l Scouty (Scouty)

[Pandora]

Am I the one that got away?

I don't understand what you're asking us here Li'l Scouty. Aside from thinking you might consider yourself to be a fish, are you asking if people are voting for you because you survived as scum in a previous game or something? If that is it, I can't see the relevance.

Oh, now I see Rick's post. So it's because we didn't lynch you yesterday? Again, I'm not sure of the logic, as new points have been made against you today.

It's ridiculously hard to read people this game, as has already been mentioned, but I doubt we'll see a whole load of information coming out in the day threads for fear of confirming the scum to one another, so we have to follow the arguments and go with the best case we can.

Sorry Scouty, but right now, to me, that's you.

Vote: Li'l Scouty

Oh, and I am aligned with the town.

[Cecilie]

I feel like the more Lil'l Scouty talks, the more he is digging his own grave . So I too will

Vote: Li'l Scouty

Still waiting on anyone to come forth with other accusations. Even if not for today, something so we can hit the ground running tomorrow.

Why do you keep saying this? Can't you raise some suspicions on your own?

And we're doing the lie detector thing again now? Ok, I'm still aligned with town.

[Zepher]

I have raised suspicious. I spoke out against Redblade and Piratedave, as well as Nightshroud. They both responded to the accusations. I don't want to be the only one who says anything. I want to hear what someone, anyone else, has to say.

[Fugazi]

I want to hear what someone, anyone else, has to say.

I am aligned with town.

Plus, it's less and less likely that Scouty is scum. There's relatively little time left in the day, no real alternatives to his lynch, votes piling up on him. What would a scum do in this position? Probably exactly what Li'l Trumpet did yesterday: admit he is scum, in the hopes of getting in touch with the other scum team. I don't know if the sting yesterday was useful in any way, but scummy Scouty would have nothing to lose at this point. He would have to get in touch with someone and determine if they're telling the truth before the day ends... so that leaves little time. Yeah, I think that a real scum would have done something by now.

Opinions?

[Cecilie]

Plus, it's less and less likely that Scouty is scum. There's relatively little time left in the day, no real alternatives to his lynch, votes piling up on him. What would a scum do in this position? Probably exactly what Li'l Trumpet did yesterday: admit he is scum, in the hopes of getting in touch with the other scum team. I don't know if the sting yesterday was useful in any way, but scummy Scouty would have nothing to lose at this point. He would have to get in touch with someone and determine if they're telling the truth before the day ends... so that leaves little time. Yeah, I think that a real scum would have done something by now.

Opinions?

I wouldn't say that for sure. Li'l Trumpet's little attempt at a sting yesterday may have ruined that strategy for scum, as it'll just seem like another townie trying that sting.