Eurobricks Mafia II: Mafia School: Day Two

[Capt. Redblade]

*nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink*

Say no more, say no more.

Sorry, I had to.

As I said, Scouty, the fracas surrounding you can only serve to distract us from here on if we let you stick around. We haven't had any solid leads in two days and we need to focus our energy on finding the real scum, not arguing with a maybe-he-is-maybe-he-isn't scum. This whole debate is dragging us down, and since it can't be resolved, we must cut loose he who is at the centre of this, i.e. you.

Oh, and since I forgot to put it in my last post: I am the towniest town who ever towned a town.

[Scouty]

Those who mentioned it do have a point that if we don't lynch Scouty today we will probably always be left wondering whether he was scum or not, so it probably is better to get the matter over with so that it doesn't weigh on us in the following days.

I don't feel the need to change my vote since a majority has been reached. I'll sleep off.

I dislike this reasoning. I understand it, but when you're town, it's such a sucky reason to ultimately exit the game with. Like, if you're not sure, shouldn't you give it more time to be more certain? This is why more town get lynched. Add in the threat of conversion and paranoia goes rampant, but there are the masons this time around to deal with that. If there's so much confusion on me, then why lynch me? If there's doubt, then don't, and there has been doubt and several people have mentioned that. You're losing a townie here. I'd go to someone who didn't have so much doubt, not stick with someone in messy controversy.

Also, a majority has been reached? Do you not realize that there isn't a majority in this game?

[Piratedave84]

Re-reading my recent posts made me realized that I had not stated that: I am still a townie

[CMP]

I am also still townie.

[Scouty]

For the lie detector:

I am scum.

Scummy scum scum.

Oh, wait, there probably isn't a lie detector. If it was a one shot, I would expect for such info coming from that to be revealed. Since I'd expect it to be used the first night and not risk it being lost like last time. Maybe it died with Danny again

[Scouty]

As I said, Scouty, the fracas surrounding you can only serve to distract us from here on if we let you stick around. We haven't had any solid leads in two days and we need to focus our energy on finding the real scum, not arguing with a maybe-he-is-maybe-he-isn't scum. This whole debate is dragging us down, and since it can't be resolved, we must cut loose he who is at the centre of this, i.e. you.

Yeah, I understand what you're getting at. It's very cutthroat, but, meh, what can you do. Things snowball quickly. Or something like that.

Well, seeing that there's nothing more to say to save myself, I suppose it's alright to say that I'm one of the recruitable townies, so that made arguing for my survival more conflicted and difficult, since I know I can't be trusted always in case I get recruited. Well, at least recruited to the scum. I hoped to get recruited into the masons, but that's a long shot now. At least it's a loss to both teams and not just town. I at least deprive the scum a chance to recruit me over and add a number to their side.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Well, yikes, there appears to be such a strict code to which to satisfy you, too strict if you ask me. Twice you've said "not good enough" and I must accuse you as scum for that reason.

The code's not that strict. You just have to not act scummy. Or at least adequately explain your reasons for acting that way afterword. Thanks for suspecting me for voting for suspicious people.

Because we could communicate more freely. Because we could discuss night results. Because we could actually use night results to actually inform our lynches. Instead, we have barely anything to go on, and we have to wait for the Masons to figure things out. But you dissected my statement, for I also mentioned that it would also make scum's lives easier, and that wasn't a trade-off I was prepared to make.

There's saying in my country: One doesn't teach an old monkey to make faces. I know the drill, and that's exactly what I did yesterday. Unconvinced by the evidence against Li'l Trumpet, I came up with a different name. But I had a hunch. It's still there, but I won't bother repeating my vote as I have nothing to add to yesterday's statement and there have been no other scummy tells from Li'l Nightshround. As for other suggestions, I have none and it's not for lack of going over the threads. So there, I'm going with the group because I don't see a better option right now. And I'm going to have a nap too, so I don't want the day to close without having voted.

I dissected it because it was a stupid thing to say. Yes, we could talk about night action results slightly more openly, but the entire point of this game is that the scum are supposed to find each other. Offering suggestions and hints to those being lynched to get in contact with the opposite team is counterproductive.

If your suspicions haven't changed, why has your vote? We don't need a majority this game for a lynch, your vote is not needed for the top candidate. There is absolutely no reason to vote for someone that you personally don't think is scum unless you are scum yourself. A townie should follow their conscience, not the bandwagon.

Well, seeing that there's nothing more to say to save myself, I suppose it's alright to say that I'm one of the recruitable townies, so that made arguing for my survival more conflicted and difficult, since I know I can't be trusted always in case I get recruited. Well, at least recruited to the scum. I hoped to get recruited into the masons, but that's a long shot now. At least it's a loss to both teams and not just town. I at least deprive the scum a chance to recruit me over and add a number to their side.

I thought it was already established that no one would know if they were recruitable? Mr. Def said before the game it would be random, including those with night actions. You really have no clue, do you?

See, Li'l Foog. I think this guy is scummy. Hence I voted for him. Even if everyone else voted for some guy that I didn't think was scum, I'd still vote for Scouty. That's my duty as a member of this town, to vote out the scum to the best of my ability.

[Scouty]

The code's not that strict. You just have to not act scummy. Or at least adequately explain your reasons for acting that way afterword. Thanks for suspecting me for voting for suspicious people.

I explained my reasons. You not accepting them is on you; "adequately" according to you. Or scummy you. Or whatever.

I thought it was already established that no one would know if they were recruitable? Mr. Def said before the game it would be random, including those with night actions. You really have no clue, do you?

Well, you're wrong. They're wrong. Lynch the liars. Your first statement does not connect with your second. I know I'm recruitable, first statement debunked. I'm probably one of the randomly selected people to be recruitable, second statement affirmed. You'll see in the morning. It's a fact. Use this "knowledge" to the town's advantage, people.

Thank goodness the dead can't be converted. Or can they?

[CorneliusMurdock]

Well, you're wrong. They're wrong. Lynch the liars. Your first statement does not connect with your second. I know I'm recruitable, first statement debunked. I'm probably one of the randomly selected people to be recruitable, second statement affirmed. You'll see in the morning. It's a fact. Use this "knowledge" to the town's advantage, people.

Thank goodness the dead can't be converted. Or can they?

Who's wrong? How does the first statement not connect to the second? I was saying whether you have an action or not, there is not a way you can know if you're recruitable. Lynch all liars? That's what we're already doing apparently.

[Scouty]

Who's wrong? How does the first statement not connect to the second? I was saying whether you have an action or not, there is not a way you can know if you're recruitable. Lynch all liars? That's what we're already doing apparently.

Well, I've been operating thus far under the impression I am recruitable. If what I received means something else (which I can't begin to comprehend what I think you think it is) then that is messed up and I'd cry foul. A select number of us were told we were recruitable in the beginning, that puts a constraint for the scum/masons to choose the right person. Randomly recruited players in the middle of the game doesn't make sense to me since that gives the recruiters a higher success rate, and that's why the first statement can't be connected to the first. If people did not know if they were recruitable, then how is it decided who is recruited when the scum/masons make their decision? One little keyword people missed upon reading def's quote of what he sent to the scum was "variation" (sorry, I can't avoid not mentioning it). To tell a player that they are recruitable when they are really not is going to affect how they play and is ultimately unfair. Rather, I think "random" was only meant that the drawing was random of who is recruitable, you were told so or not. Therefore, I think it is you who is wrong, and however you (or those that established it) mixed this up, I can only assume negligence or deceit.

I'll go with the later, as my dying vote. Unvote: Li'l Zepher Vote: Li'l CorneliusMurdock, da self nominated mayor.

[Hinckley]

Well, I've been operating thus far under the impression I am recruitable. If what I received means something else (which I can't begin to comprehend what I think you think it is) then that is messed up and I'd cry foul. A select number of us were told we were recruitable in the beginning, that puts a constraint for the scum/masons to choose the right person. Randomly recruited players in the middle of the game doesn't make sense to me since that gives the recruiters a higher success rate, and that's why the first statement can't be connected to the first. If people did not know if they were recruitable, then how is it decided who is recruited when the scum/masons make their decision? One little keyword people missed upon reading def's quote of what he sent to the scum was "variation" (sorry, I can't avoid not mentioning it). To tell a player that they are recruitable when they are really not is going to affect how they play and is ultimately unfair. Rather, I think "random" was only meant that the drawing was random of who is recruitable, you were told so or not. Therefore, I think it is you who is wrong, and however you (or those that established it) mixed this up, I can only assume negligence or deceit.

I'll go with the later, as my dying vote. Unvote: Li'l Zepher Vote: Li'l CorneliusMurdock, da self nominated mayor.

This has been an aggravating night. I keep getting pulled away and every time I come back, there's more to respond to and it was taking me forever to compose thoughts on what's happened today. However, with this last "revelation", I can scrap what I had been composing.

Li'l Scout, I had been worried about the slow yet steady bandwagon on you. Something was making me uneasy about it. But with your "big reveal" that you're a convertible Townie, you are either lying or not paying attention at all because a huge portion of yesterday revolved around if we were likely to know if we could be converted or not. Lying Scum or distracted Townie? (or distracted lying Scum?) We can't take a risk. And you're not helping yourself by choosing to accuse only Boy Wonder and EB staff with no basis for the accusations and voting for everyone you disagree with. I was starting to think we were making a mistake, which we might still be, because so much of what you did in EB I is actually mirrored here. I got myself lynched I was so convinced you were Scum in EB I, but you weren't. You have an odd way of wording things sometimes and a unique way of approaching things. I can't tell what's going on here, so I feel it's best to leave my vote where it is. As I said earlier, we'll all keep wondering if we don't resolve it now. Sorry. No hard feelings.

Because we could communicate more freely. Because we could discuss night results. Because we could actually use night results to actually inform our lynches. Instead, we have barely anything to go on, and we have to wait for the Masons to figure things out. But you dissected my statement, for I also mentioned that it would also make scum's lives easier, and that wasn't a trade-off I was prepared to make.

There's saying in my country: One doesn't teach an old monkey to make faces. I know the drill, and that's exactly what I did yesterday. Unconvinced by the evidence against Li'l Trumpet, I came up with a different name. But I had a hunch. It's still there, but I won't bother repeating my vote as I have nothing to add to yesterday's statement and there have been no other scummy tells from Li'l Nightshround. As for other suggestions, I have none and it's not for lack of going over the threads. So there, I'm going with the group because I don't see a better option right now. And I'm going to have a nap too, so I don't want the day to close without having voted.

See above. It would just be a normal game without the added complications of trying to prevent a merge. But it would also give rise to a super-powerful scum team, therefore it must be avoided at all costs.

Li'l Foog, Nightshroud made some Scummy posts in the morning as I and others have pointed out, then he mostly disappeared for the rest of the day, as did Dave who was also accused. As Scouty has been trying to defend himself, they have been pretty happy to blend into the woodwork, so yes, there were other candidates out there. One of the annoying things Nightshroud did was call Li'l Trump out for the attempted sting. You took it a step further today by pre-empting Scouty's ability to run one or possibly even discouraging him from trying it. I'm sure every Townie was thinking that the lynch candidate could try a better gambit but didn't stand much chance, but I don't see the point of discussing it in thread. Maybe we should all PM the person below us in the player list and claim to be Scum to negate anyone's ability to draw out Scum behind the scenes.

[Scouty]

Sorry. No hard feelings.

It's fine. I'm just at a big free fall here. It's best I go and say no more.

Bye. Good luck, team.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Oh, Scouty. I appreciate the vote but the mayoral election was yesterday.

[Rick]

It was actually discussed in the "afterlife" so there's really no way you would have know about it actually!!!

I missed that part of the statement ... I would LOVE to hear you (Fugazi) debate how our lives would be easier should the scum unite!

grabs popcorn and waits anxiously

These points ... actually make sense; it would indeed enable is to discuss night results openly and make better use of whatever info was gathered last night BUUUUT the trade off is clearly not worth it! We simply cannot let the scum unite this early; there is no scenario in which this would be good for us! Case closed!

Dave, you're suddenly in a chatty mood. Too bad you're mainly repeating what others say.

Unfortunately I've had much of my attention divided between my schoolwork (in-game and otherwise) and the debacle surrounding Li'l Scouty, so my scumdar hasn't been properly calibrated today. I have an idea or two but I still need to flesh them out. I'll post more when I'm not on my phone.

Don't you think that after this post, people were waiting for your "idea or two"? I haven't seen them yet.

Oh, wait, there probably isn't a lie detector. If it was a one shot, I would expect for such info coming from that to be revealed. Since I'd expect it to be used the first night and not risk it being lost like last time. Maybe it died with Danny again

If there's a lie detector role and it has been used, the evidence coming from it would be too conclusive to use publicly. The best we can hope for in this class is that the more concrete evidence can somehow be used behind the scenes.

Well, I've been operating thus far under the impression I am recruitable. If what I received means something else (which I can't begin to comprehend what I think you think it is) then that is messed up and I'd cry foul. A select number of us were told we were recruitable in the beginning, that puts a constraint for the scum/masons to choose the right person. Randomly recruited players in the middle of the game doesn't make sense to me since that gives the recruiters a higher success rate, and that's why the first statement can't be connected to the first. If people did not know if they were recruitable, then how is it decided who is recruited when the scum/masons make their decision? One little keyword people missed upon reading def's quote of what he sent to the scum was "variation" (sorry, I can't avoid not mentioning it). To tell a player that they are recruitable when they are really not is going to affect how they play and is ultimately unfair. Rather, I think "random" was only meant that the drawing was random of who is recruitable, you were told so or not. Therefore, I think it is you who is wrong, and however you (or those that established it) mixed this up, I can only assume negligence or deceit.

I'll go with the later, as my dying vote. Unvote: Li'l Zepher Vote: Li'l CorneliusMurdock, da self nominated mayor.

As we all know before we entered this classroom (not sure if everyone was paying attention though), every townie is recruitable by the masons (unless they're blocked for recruitment by the scum) and a random (pre-determined, power roles included) number of townies can be converted by the scum. Moreover, those townies don't know they are convertible. This has nothing to do with the clarification Mr. def posted yesterday, it was common knowledge before the class started.

[Palathadric]

Maybe we should all PM the person below us in the player list and claim to be Scum to negate anyone's ability to draw out Scum behind the scenes.

You really think we should?

And because I forgot earlier:

I am aligned with town.

Or should I bold the previous statement, so Li'l Peanuts can read and learn?

[Cecilie]

Because we could communicate more freely. Because we could discuss night results. Because we could actually use night results to actually inform our lynches. Instead, we have barely anything to go on, and we have to wait for the Masons to figure things out.

Aren't you forgetting something here? How are we supposed to know for sure the scum teams have united? We don't! We can't know that, so even if they unite, we can never speak more freely, because we'll have to assume they haven't united! And I don't plan on sitting back and waiting for the Masons to figure things out. That will get us nowhere. What if the Masons get killed? Then what? We just sit here and wait to die? No, Li'l Foog, you're not making an awful lot of sense here...

[Fugazi]

I'm having a crazy busy day but I will comment on your concerns as soon as possible.

[def]

Vote Tally:

Li'l Pirate Dave 4 (penalty x 4)

Li'l Scouty 17 (Kiel, Nightshroud, CallMePie, Endgame, Zepher, The Boy Wonder, Walter Kovacs, Hinckley, Peanuts, PirateDave, Cornelius Murdock, Rick, Pandora, Cecilie, Fugazi, Chrome Knight, Capt. Redblade)

Li'l Nightshroud 1 (Palathadric)

Li'l Cornelius Murdock 1 (Scouty)

2.5 hours left. Nothing short of a miracle will change the vote, so feel free to start sending night actions in, and feel free to continue to publicly discuss things until the thread is locked.

[Piratedave84]

Dave, you're suddenly in a chatty mood. Too bad you're mainly repeating what others say.

SNIP

Yeah, RL was quite busy this week with the federal budget being tabled and all!!!

These points I am "repeating" are my opinions, at least I am contributing by making my stance know!

You target me but how about Palathadric, Peanuts, Boy Wonder, Nightshroud or even Chrome? As far as I can tell, I have been much, much more vocal active than any of those; why not call them out? (I left Redblade out of the list seeing you already call him out).

I feel your telling me I am vocal/calling me out is misplaced!

What do you want me to say? I agree with what has been said (mostly), I placed my vote on the person I feel it is best to lynch, I followed up everytime my name was brought up, I am active behind the scenes ....

It is not my intention to lurk, but I would rather make small, pertinent, comments here and there than to fill the thread with fluff!

[Hinckley]

Doesn't Mr. def ever let us take recess.

And I don't plan on sitting back and waiting for the Masons to figure things out. That will get us nowhere. What if the Masons get killed? Then what? We just sit here and wait to die? No, Li'l Foog, you're not making an awful lot of sense here...

Foog, I wondered about this statement too. Why would we have to wait for the Masons to figure things out? Your statement seems to discourage Townie activity and I would imagine you are from the school of thought that an inactive Townie was a bad Townie. And why can't we base lunches off of Night Action results?

[CorneliusMurdock]

And why can't we base lunches off of Night Action results?

Because Night Action results don't meet the high nutritional standards required by the Department of Education.

[Hinckley]

Fuckin phone... Isn't lynch a common word in the English language anymore?...

[Rick]

Aren't you forgetting something here? How are we supposed to know for sure the scum teams have united? We don't! We can't know that, so even if they unite, we can never speak more freely, because we'll have to assume they haven't united!

That's a very good point. Only the scum would know when they successfully teamed up.

You target me but how about Palathadric, Peanuts, Boy Wonder, Nightshroud or even Chrome? As far as I can tell, I have been much, much more vocal active than any of those; why not call them out? (I left Redblade out of the list seeing you already call him out).

I feel your telling me I am vocal/calling me out is misplaced!

I got the impression you tried to post more when your name was mentioned a couple times, but the last couple of posts were mainly reiterating or agreeing with what other people had said. I wouldn't call those contributions, so I don't think it's misplaced to point that out.

[Piratedave84]

That's a very good point. Only the scum would know when they successfully teamed up.

I got the impression you tried to post more when your name was mentioned a couple times, but the last couple of posts were mainly reiterating or agreeing with what other people had said. I wouldn't call those contributions, so I don't think it's misplaced to point that out.

Granted that yes I do speak up when my name is mentionned; I want to address concerns as they appear so yes, When my name comes up, I speak ... which is normal .. It think.

As far as agreeing/reiterating ... is that a bad thing?

[Rick]

As far as agreeing/reiterating ... is that a bad thing?

Do you "address concerns" by agreeing or reiterating? As I tried to explain, your name was mentioned because you were relatively inactive and your posts could be seen as trying to appear more active without actually contributing much to the discussion.