Eurobricks Mafia II: Mafia School: Day Three

[def]

12 hours left to vote for mayor. If no mayor is voted for, one will be selected randomly.

[XimenaPaulina]

Three people who have been blipping my scumdar though, a bit are Cecilia, Zepher, and CallMePie. Can't really say why though, and looking back I was surprised to see that a lot things I had thought Cecilie had said were, in fact, not her, which again spreads things out frustratingly wide.

It would really help the town's cause if you tried to elaborate why you suspect those three as ssummy. Simply mentioning those names just won't cut it. If you really have the best intentions for the town, then you wouldn't be afraid to just state the reasons why they're pinging on your scumdar. I know there's still much of the day left, so you have your time.

Li'l Walter is right, and I believe Li'l Cecilie mentioned this too, that we need to be more active either in thread or with private discussions, as we can't just let the masons do the work for us. It's difficult considering the game set-up with all the scum sting operations and possible conversions going behind the scenes, but at least the townies should try. Talk, discuss, pool ideas if you have enough trust with the preson you're talking to. Hopefully it would be reap good results for the town in the end.

And with regards to the matter of electing a mayor, I still stand by what I said on Day 1, I'm not afraid of the death associated with the mayoral position so I'd just like to vote for myself:

Mayor: Li'l Kieldaman

[Hinckley]

Li'l Kiel, I'm not a fan of this silly mayor business but I don't want you as mayor. You campaigned for it on Day One saying you wanted to lead a Town block and them you disappeared for two days. Not the best vote of confidence. I still feel Li'l Cecilie is making smart posts and I tend to agree with what she is saying. I feel she'd make a fair choice if a tie happens to occur.

mayor: Li'l Cecilie

[XimenaPaulina]

Li'l Kiel, I'm not a fan of this silly mayor business but I don't want you as mayor. You campaigned for it on Day One saying you wanted to lead a Town block and them you disappeared for two days. Not the best vote of confidence. I still feel Li'l Cecilie is making smart posts and I tend to agree with what she is saying. I feel she'd make a fair choice if a tie happens to occur.

Yep no worries I understand your vote. Of course I'll respect whatever the decision of the majority would be.

[Capt. Redblade]

Li'l Kiel, I'm not a fan of this silly mayor business but I don't want you as mayor. You campaigned for it on Day One saying you wanted to lead a Town block and them you disappeared for two days. Not the best vote of confidence. I still feel Li'l Cecilie is making smart posts and I tend to agree with what she is saying. I feel she'd make a fair choice if a tie happens to occur.

mayor: Li'l Cecilie

This actually makes a lot of sense.

Mayor: Li'l Cecilie

[Nightshroud99]

I have to say Li'l Nightshroud had me rather suspicious with his comment at the end of yesterday. Could he be scum trying to warn his other team out there not to fall for Trumpet's ploy? Li'l Foog pointed him out yesterday, and I think it may be something worthwhile to pursue.

I'm looking back on Day 1, but apart from that he hasn't really bumped my scumdar too much.

Li'l 'Nuts it was pretty unbold of you not to bold your vote yesterday.

There's a saying "bold die young," perhaps you're trying to avoid an early death by your lack of boldness. :huh: Not a very townie thing to do.

And what do you know? I got the: wrong.

What do you want answers for? I'm sorry that I'm not contributing much, but honestly I've been really blank today and even yesterday. To me either Nightshroud or Scouty seem to be the people to vote for, but I can hardly say that I find them more scummy than anyone else here. Li'l Nightshroud has made some odd comments at the end of yesterday and today, but I can't really say I got a scummy vibe off him most of yesterday, which has started to make me hesitant. Scouty has been acting odd, but for some reason I don't really think he actually is scum.

There's a certain amount of gut feeling that has to go along with the bare facts, at least for me. Normally everyone is pinging my scumdar and I am really paranoid as I see "scummy" signs everywhere, but that doesn't seem to be happening this time around.

I don't really see Scouty escaping the lynch today. Personally, I am more comfortable voting for Nightshroud than him though as I really don't think Scouty is scum.

Vote: Li'l Nightshroud

I said I haven't gotten a serious scummy vibe off anyone as of yet, so he and Scouty are the people who make the most sense to go after. I still can't say I have much hope that either one of them would turn up scum if lynched, but we have to vote at some point or other for someone or another so it makes sense to at least vote for people who have been acting a bit oddly and who have been pinging a few other people's scumdars then just random votes in the dark. That's how I see it.

Perhaps Li'l Peanuts should do more "voting in the dark."

Those who mentioned it do have a point that if we don't lynch Scouty today we will probably always be left wondering whether he was scum or not, so it probably is better to get the matter over with so that it doesn't weigh on us in the following days.

I don't feel the need to change my vote since a majority has been reached. I'll sleep off.

Li'l Peanuts, stop trying to squeeze into my room with me. Be bold when you need to be, not at the wrong times.

I bolded and underlined some points. These are his posts from yesterday, I'll go through day 1 in a bit.

I see a lot of, meh they are kind of scummy, but not really. I don't care.

He votes for me; says Scouty doesn't seem like scum (which he may have known for a fact as he is probably scum) Then, says Scouty and I are the ones we should go after.

He separates himself from the tribe by voting for me, so when Scouty does flip town suspicion wouldn't fall onto him. Unfortunately, Palathadrics' general wishy washy behavior isn't helping his plan.

Then, at the end of the day he says it's fine to lynch Scouty (A person he seemed to think was town!) would a real townie knowingly and willingly lynch a person they think is town?? He thinks sleep is more important.

And for the lie detector, I am a Townie.

Ok, I went through everything in Day 1 and I have to say Lil Palathadric is a lot different then, his posts are more interesting at least. He doesn't seem very scummy in the day 1 thread, which is very interesting. Why would he change his game so dramatically? Unless he was converted.

I thought about posting his quotes here, but there are a lot more and many have to do with replies so it's out of context. Feel free to look yourself.

As for mayor I'll go with my original vote, Mayor: Li'l Kieldaman

[Hinckley]

I am still aligned with the Town.

[XimenaPaulina]

Same here, I am still aligned with the Town.

[Hinckley]

As for mayor I'll go with my original vote, Mayor: Li'l Kieldaman

I know mayor may not even be a big deal, but what has he done since the first third of Day One to retain your confidence?

[Nightshroud99]

I know mayor may not even be a big deal, but what has he done since the first third of Day One to retain your confidence?

Nothing new, he still wants the position and as the role isn't a big deal I see no point in denying it to him.

[Chromeknight]

It is a shame to see Scouty go, I will miss his cooking.

Now we need a new mayor?

Day one was full of how voting for someone without them asking for it was rude. I remember Li'l Hink specifically making that point.

Now he drops it on Cec without her stepping forward. Odd.

And Li'l Redblade is still doing his parrot impression.

Sod the lot of you.

Mayor:Li'l Chromeknight

[Hinckley]

Day one was full of how voting for someone without them asking for it was rude. I remember Li'l Hink specifically making that point.

Now he drops it on Cec without her stepping forward. Odd.

I said it was mean to give it to the person who had just said they didn't want it. After voting for Li'l Cec on Day One, she did not protest and I still see her as someone who is actually using her brain. Does it still seem odd to you?

Nothing new, he still wants the position and as the role isn't a big deal I see no point in denying it to him.

As the game continues, it becomes more and more likely to be a big deal. We got the first two lynches wrong and many people were suspicious of Foog, who turned up Town as well. The first two days were slow, steady bandwagons. If Li'l Wally is right and working behind the scenes will bring us better results and people have to be careful about how they propose theories and make accusations, a tie becomes more possible. Do you want someone who disappeared after asking to be a leader of a Town block to be the person to break that tie?

[Chromeknight]

I'm not denying she seems like she'd be a good candidate. And yes, I missed your day one vote for her.

[Nightshroud99]

As the game continues, it becomes more and more likely to be a big deal. We got the first two lynches wrong and many people were suspicious of Foog, who turned up Town as well. The first two days were slow, steady bandwagons. If Li'l Wally is right and working behind the scenes will bring us better results and people have to be careful about how they propose theories and make accusations, a tie becomes more possible. Do you want someone who disappeared after asking to be a leader of a Town block to be the person to break that tie?

Perhaps. The probability of a tie is slim right now, however later on there could be one you are correct.

That being said, lil Kiel doesn't strike me as too suspicious. I am still of the opinion that a scum wouldn't be so brazen as to want to be mayor. Also, lil Kiels' posts just don't seem scummy; rushed, panicky, nervous, etc... They seem normal and relaxed. If this makes sense...

As for his absence, perhaps something was going on irl. I know I have long periods of inactivity, due to not being near a computer for a length of time.

[Hinckley]

Perhaps. The probability of a tie is slim right now, however later on there could be one you are correct.

How are you figuring this probability?

[Rick]

I am still aligned with the Town.

This is so annoying. Why can't the bad guys just be good and the good guys become a little easier to live with.

Vote: Palathadric since clearly I am the only one who knows how to steer clear from bandwagons, which must make me a good leader . That's right your band's wagon is too annoyingly noisy! (I didn't bold my vote on perpose, as it's just for fun).

Three people who have been blipping my scumdar though, a bit are Cecilia, Zepher, and CallMePie. Can't really say why though, and looking back I was surprised to see that a lot things I had thought Cecilie had said were, in fact, not her, which again spreads things out frustratingly wide.

I know others have pointed it out, but is there any content in this statement of yours?

He votes for me; says Scouty doesn't seem like scum (which he may have known for a fact as he is probably scum) Then, says Scouty and I are the ones we should go after.

I agree li'l Pala isn't making a lot of sense and some of his statement are downright scummy, but you have to wonder how likely it is that the scum teamed up already yesterday. If they didn't, there's no way for a scum to know for sure who's town.

As the game continues, it becomes more and more likely to be a big deal. We got the first two lynches wrong and many people were suspicious of Foog, who turned up Town as well. The first two days were slow, steady bandwagons. If Li'l Wally is right and working behind the scenes will bring us better results and people have to be careful about how they propose theories and make accusations, a tie becomes more possible. Do you want someone who disappeared after asking to be a leader of a Town block to be the person to break that tie?

The mayoral position is becoming more important indeed. As Mr. def pointed out this morning, in the worst case scenario it's 10 versus 6 combined scum today. If we mislynch again, the scum successfully kill and recruit, and the vig kills another townie tonight, they outnumber us by 7 to 6 in the morning. That's the absolute worst case scenario, so it's likely we'll still outnumber the combined scum, but it shows how important the mayoral position might be at this stage.

That being said, lil Kiel doesn't strike me as too suspicious. I am still of the opinion that a scum wouldn't be so brazen as to want to be mayor. Also, lil Kiels' posts just don't seem scummy; rushed, panicky, nervous, etc... They seem normal and relaxed. If this makes sense...

As for his absence, perhaps something was going on irl. I know I have long periods of inactivity, due to not being near a computer for a length of time.

You also have to consider that this class is quite different from a regular class as there's no way to positively identify scum (a failed mason recruitment could be due to being blocked for recruitment, for example). Especially if the scum managed to team up, they could be thinking of the long game right now and have concluded it's worth the risk. I'm not saying li'l Kiel is scum, I'm just saying you might be jumping to the wrong conclusions.

[TheBoyWonder]

I am still aligned with the town.

So, I am honestly not sure of who to be mayor, but out of everyone, I agree with Lil'Hinckley, Cecile seems the best choice.

Mayor: Lil' Cecile

[Cecilie]

This is so annoying. Why can't the bad guys just be good and the good guys become a little easier to live with.

Vote: Palathadric since clearly I am the only one who knows how to steer clear from bandwagons, which must make me a good leader . That's right your band's wagon is too annoyingly noisy! (I didn't bold my vote on perpose, as it's just for fun).

Three people who have been blipping my scumdar though, a bit are Cecilia, Zepher, and CallMePie. Can't really say why though, and looking back I was surprised to see that a lot things I had thought Cecilie had said were, in fact, not her, which again spreads things out frustratingly wide.

Wow, that made a lot of sense, we must have you for mayor!

On the subject of mayor, I see there are mayoral votes for me now, and I appreciate the trust . I just hope it won't send me to my grave, following poor Li'l Corny.

[XimenaPaulina]

As for his absence, perhaps something was going on irl. I know I have long periods of inactivity, due to not being near a computer for a length of time.

IDo you want someone who disappeared after asking to be a leader of a Town block to be the person to break that tie?

I never wanted to make excuses based on real life, but with Li'l Hinck seemingly fixated on my sudden silence after Day 1 so I'm forced to explain why my activity significantly dropped. Well, the simplest reason is that I've just been busy with schoolwork irl. I could go on and write a detailed sob story accompanied the by the world's smallest violin, but I won't since it's inappropriate to use it in this game. You just have to take it as it is. I try my best to 'help' the town as I can with the limited time I have, so feel free to look into my previous posts if you see anything suspicious on what I've said and how I behaved.

And me trying to be Town leader? I've already said my piece regarding that back on Day 1. No need to repeatedly bring it back Li'l Hinck. If there's anyone out here who is capable of being a leader it's YOU, that's a proven fact already with these games. If you're town, then go ahead and lead us (I assume you're already doing it if indeed you're town) and I'd be honestly happy if the town is in capable hands as yours.

What's proving to be difficult in this unique set-up of the game is that it's hard for a townie how to choose how he/she will act. I tried to be active on Day 1 like what I felt how a townie should do and I was called out for it, getting suspicions that I was scum trying to fish info. I tried my best to reach out to other fellow 'lost townies' out there and I was accused of being a power-hungry wannabe Town leader. My activity toned down and my silence is being questioned as if I was scum. And if I make myself be in the middle pack of activity (like most of the players are actually doing here to be honest), then I'd be also be questioned for just 'going with the flow'/repeating posts/talks but never actually contributing something/etc. So what do you propose how I, and the rest of the "non-leader townie types", should do and act given the difficult set-up of this game, Li'l Hinck?

[def]

With three votes, Li'l Cecilie is the new mayor. Congratulations!

You now have 48 hours to vote for a lynch.

[Endgame]

Mr. Def, why am I never directly picture nor do I ever say anything in the vignettes?

Drat - the worst of all hat tricks!

I think the fact that the vig killed Li'l Fugazi is a reasonable claim - I can only assume that ii'l Corny getting killed was the work of scum, but in no way can I see it as a symbol of the scum team uniting. One thing I find somewhat disquieting is the fact that Mr. Def so blatantly brought up the possibility of six scum... Yikes.

I remain Town.

Congratulations on mayorhood, Li'l Cecile!

[def]

Mr. Def, why am I never directly picture nor do I ever say anything in the vignettes?

I'll be sure to not include you in future days

[Peanuts]

I am still town.

Congrats to Li'l Cecilie for being mayor. I hope you'll live longer than two days...well, that is, if you are town, of course.

Right now, I can't say I have many people who appear outright scummy to me. The only person I am really suspicious of right now is Li'l Piratedave. Why? I re-read all his posts yesterday and I realized, that while he said quite a lot, and encouraged the lynch of Li'l Scouty, he never came up with a character analysis. At all. Out of every post I read, I never saw anything that I would count as character analysis. He seemed to base his whole gameplay on numbers, game mechanics and night actions, which I think is highly scummy.

There are some others, like Li'l Pal or Li'l Redblade, who have acted weird in the past, but I can see how a townie might behave like they did.

The thing about Li'l Dave is, in my eyes he tries to look helpful by posting frequently, but when he does, he ususally is summing up what others said or is looking for information instead of analysis. To me, his reasoning behind his vote for Scouty sounded like "If we don't lynch him, we won't know what side he's on" and "I don't think he'd try the same thing he tried in the last game".

To me, he looks like the best lynch candidate we have today.

Oh, and I completely forgot to mention this:

Yeah, RL was quite busy this week with the federal budget being tabled and all!!!

These points I am "repeating" are my opinions, at least I am contributing by making my stance know!

You target me but how about Palathadric, Peanuts, Boy Wonder, Nightshroud or even Chrome? As far as I can tell, I have been much, much more vocal active than any of those; why not call them out? (I left Redblade out of the list seeing you already call him out).

I feel your telling me I am vocal/calling me out is misplaced!

What do you want me to say? I agree with what has been said (mostly), I placed my vote on the person I feel it is best to lynch, I followed up everytime my name was brought up, I am active behind the scenes ....

It is not my intention to lurk, but I would rather make small, pertinent, comments here and there than to fill the thread with fluff!

When called out on just reiterating, he reacted highly defensive. His whole post read like "Why do you call me out, I am already acting like a townie!"

[Hinckley]

I never wanted to make excuses based on real life, but with Li'l Hinck seemingly fixated on my sudden silence after Day 1 so I'm forced to explain why my activity significantly dropped. Well, the simplest reason is that I've just been busy with schoolwork irl. I could go on and write a detailed sob story accompanied the by the world's smallest violin, ...be Town leader. My activity toned down and my silence is being questioned as if I was scum. And if I make myself be in the middle pack of activity (like most of the players are actually doing here to be honest), then I'd be also be questioned for just 'going with the flow'/repeating posts/talks but never actually contributing something/etc. So what do you propose how I, and the rest of the "non-leader townie types", should do and act given the difficult set-up of this game, Li'l Hinck?

We have to think outside the box for this concept. Anyone leading from out in front runs the huge risk of turning all the Town info over to the Scum if they're converted. We can't even keep a "leader" protected from conversion at all times because the rules state we can't target the same person two nights in a row. My "Town leader" tactics from other games don't work in this concept.

The Town block in EB I got so comfortable and open with their results that the Watcher came out and accused the Scum killer in public on the last day and that's what verified the recruiters to the killers and won the game for the Scum. Anything the Town learns needs to be handled more delicately than in other games.

How should the Town act, Li'l Kiel? I have some theories, but I won't reveal them in public and give away potential strategies that could win the game for us. Townies should be active and not worry about accusations against them and "how to behave". Townies should not focus on the fact that people are finding them Scummy and see what it is in people's reactions, or lack thereof, that can lead them to theories and suspicions that find the Scum. I can think of other things active Townies can do in this concept, but anyone who sits down for a couple minutes and thinks of what the Scum are ultimately trying to accomplish should be able to come up with some creative tactics as well.

[Walter Kovacs]

Right now, I can't say I have many people who appear outright scummy to me. The only person I am really suspicious of right now is Li'l Piratedave. Why? I re-read all his posts yesterday and I realized, that while he said quite a lot, and encouraged the lynch of Li'l Scouty, he never came up with a character analysis. At all. Out of every post I read, I never saw anything that I would count as character analysis. He seemed to base his whole gameplay on numbers, game mechanics and night actions, which I think is highly scummy.

There are some others, like Li'l Pal or Li'l Redblade, who have acted weird in the past, but I can see how a townie might behave like they did.

The thing about Li'l Dave is, in my eyes he tries to look helpful by posting frequently, but when he does, he ususally is summing up what others said or is looking for information instead of analysis. To me, his reasoning behind his vote for Scouty sounded like "If we don't lynch him, we won't know what side he's on" and "I don't think he'd try the same thing he tried in the last game".

To me, he looks like the best lynch candidate we have today.

Oh, and I completely forgot to mention this:

When called out on just reiterating, he reacted highly defensive. His whole post read like "Why do you call me out, I am already acting like a townie!"

If that's what you think, then put your money where your mouth is.

You've summed up the allegations nicely, so let's give Dave a Li'l push.

Vote: Li'l Pirate Dave