Eurobricks Mafia II: Mafia School: Day Three

[Palathadric]

Yesterday you said you were somewhat suspicious of me, and another person (I forget who) and now you have three new suspects and don't have any reason why you think they deserve scrutiny! You also said, yesterday, that you weren't very suspicious of me and the other person, but you still had to put our names out there to make it look like you're contributing.

Just because I don't find you particularly scummy doesn't mean you aren't the scummiest of the lot.

Can you really say anyone else is contributing seriously? I can't really say so. One cannot really say that we had incredibly good evidence in either of the two lynches we had. I'm just throwing things out there to generate some sort of discussion to hopefully move the day along. I suppose I could just shut up and say nothing, because honestly I don't see anyone to seriously follow-up on. Well, there's you of course, but it seems that most people don't really find you that scummy and it's like I have an incredible amount of new information on you either than what I've said before.

I admit to not contributing seriously, and I'm sorry for that, but I don't really have much to say or go on except hunches right now, andso I figure I may as well throw those out, but I do understand that it may actually not have been such a good idea.

Besides, I don't think we're supposed to be going down the "Role PM" road, which is where most of these suspicions stem from.

...I don't care.

He votes for me; says Scouty doesn't seem like scum (which he may have known for a fact as he is probably scum) Then, says Scouty and I are the ones we should go after.

He separates himself from the tribe by voting for me, so when Scouty does flip town suspicion wouldn't fall onto him. Unfortunately, Palathadrics' general wishy washy behavior isn't helping his plan.

Then, at the end of the day he says it's fine to lynch Scouty (A person he seemed to think was town!) would a real townie knowingly and willingly lynch a person they think is town?? He thinks sleep is more important.

It's not that I don't care, it's just that I haven't seen anyone who has really struck me as being particularly scummy. I said that I wouldn't be surprised if either of you turn up town, but you are also probably the scummiest of the lot.

I voted for you because I thought there was more chance of you flipping scum than Scouty, but ultimately I wasn't certain about either of you and I could understand the case against Scouty as well.

There was a damn lot of people who thought Scouty was town and still voted for him. I didn't even vote for him. I didn't willingly lynch Scouty as you can see from the pictures. There was nothing I could do against the bandwagon, and I do understand the notion that sometimes keeping such people alive can cause distractions for townies in the future.

By the way, what's with all the spaces in your post? Trying to make your post seem bigger.

For the Lie Detector: I am aligned with Town.

By the way, my vote for myself was a joke, nothing more/nothing less.

I think the fact that the vig killed Li'l Fugazi is a reasonable claim - I can only assume that ii'l Corny getting killed was the work of scum, but in no way can I see it as a symbol of the scum team uniting. One thing I find somewhat disquieting is the fact that Mr. Def so blatantly brought up the possibility of six scum... Yikes.

Um...woah, where have you been? I didn't even realize that you were here with us. Slinking in the shadows, eh?

[Zepher]

I find it interesting at the beginning of the day that so many people seemed to dismiss Foog's statements yesterday. They my have been confusing, but he flipped town which means he was doing something, and everyone just dismissed them as a gambit. That seems like quite a waste of his efforts, and it seems like we're throwing out potential information.

I know this is going to be broad strokes, because it really is just basic instinctual blipping, but Cecile has actually been blipping my scumdar for pretty much the whole time. The fact that she is mayor now puts me even further on edge. We said scum wouldn't nominate/vote for each other for mayor, but perhaps now they are, and they put a mayor into position. It's a small role...

Hinckley, only today, has been blipping a lot. Perhaps he was converted, or maybe he's just letting his act down a little by accident. He seems very combative today, and very dismissive of some points, while pushing others. It is the sort of scum acting town activity that I've grown to recognize... sometimes.

Nightshroud too has been all over the place. For the whole game. Maybe its just his style, I don't know if I've ever played on the playground with him before, but its very blippy.

That's all I've got. Any thoughts? Am I wrong, am I right?

[Hinckley]

They are pings, not blips.

I find it interesting at the beginning of the day that so many people seemed to dismiss Foog's statements yesterday. They my have been confusing, but he flipped town which means he was doing something, and everyone just dismissed them as a gambit. That seems like quite a waste of his efforts, and it seems like we're throwing out potential information.

How do you suggest we use his efforts? I'm not sure what his efforts were except saying we needed to wait for the Masons to figure things out and pre-empting Scouty's ability to attempt to decoy the Scum. Any specific ideas?

I know this is going to be broad strokes, because it really is just basic instinctual blipping, but Cecile has actually been blipping my scumdar for pretty much the whole time. The fact that she is mayor now puts me even further on edge. We said scum wouldn't nominate/vote for each other for mayor, but perhaps now they are, and they put a mayor into position. It's a small role...

What is it about her that "blips" you? It's hard to agree or disagree with just your instincts.

Hinckley, only today, has been blipping a lot. Perhaps he was converted, or maybe he's just letting his act down a little by accident. He seems very combative today, and very dismissive of some points, while pushing others. It is the sort of scum acting town activity that I've grown to recognize... sometimes.

I disagree. I don't think I've dismissed anything, but perhaps you can show me a couple things that are causing you concern. I seem to remember being accused for being combative and aggressive in the last two games I played and I was Town in both. As long as we're looking at each other, you have actually not been pinging my Scumdar.

Nightshroud too has been all over the place. For the whole game. Maybe its just his style, I don't know if I've ever played on the playground with him before, but its very blippy.

I agree with you here. We've seen him accused on both days and I've never been satisfied by what he has said.

[Pandora]

I am still town.

Congrats to our new mayor, but I'm not sure I see what others have that gave them the confidence to vote for her (no offense Li'l Cecilie).

Meanwhile voting has started...

To me, his reasoning behind his vote for Scouty sounded like "If we don't lynch him, we won't know what side he's on" and "I don't think he'd try the same thing he tried in the last game".

There are some things in your accusation that I can agree with, however I could also consider them true for a lot of other people here. What stood out for me was your comment above. I seem to remember that Li'l Hinckley was the person who first advocated that line of reasoning, and I think a few other people raised it too. So, it seems scummy to me that you would use that as part of your argument. The fact that Li'l Walter jumped to vote straight after your post is also... odd.

I find it interesting at the beginning of the day that so many people seemed to dismiss Foog's statements yesterday. They my have been confusing, but he flipped town which means he was doing something, and everyone just dismissed them as a gambit. That seems like quite a waste of his efforts, and it seems like we're throwing out potential information.

I'd like to echo Li'l Hinck here in asking what information you think we're throwing out? Finding out Li'l Foog was town this morning was what made me view his scummy posts yesterday as a gambit, so I'm not sure what other information there is.

[Capt. Redblade]

Just because I don't find you particularly scummy doesn't mean you aren't the scummiest of the lot.

Wait... he's still scummy even if you don't think he's scummy?

Coming off your vote for Nightshroud, statements like this where you doubt his scumminess seem very noncommittal and wishy-washy. Your posts look sensible on the surface, but I'm having more and more trouble finding any real substance to them. I don't throw this word around often, but you're starting to ping, Li'l Pally.

Mr. Def, why am I never directly picture nor do I ever say anything in the vignettes?

Drat - the worst of all hat tricks!

I think the fact that the vig killed Li'l Fugazi is a reasonable claim - I can only assume that ii'l Corny getting killed was the work of scum, but in no way can I see it as a symbol of the scum team uniting. One thing I find somewhat disquieting is the fact that Mr. Def so blatantly brought up the possibility of six scum... Yikes.

I remain Town.

Congratulations on mayorhood, Li'l Cecile!

Whoa, where the hell did you come from?

[Rick]

One thing I find somewhat disquieting is the fact that Mr. Def so blatantly brought up the possibility of six scum... Yikes.

I hope you had a nice lie in. Knowing Mr. def a little, I don't think we should read too much into that statement. He simply points out that if the scum recruited perfectly, there's six of them now.

Can you really say anyone else is contributing seriously? I can't really say so. One cannot really say that we had incredibly good evidence in either of the two lynches we had. I'm just throwing things out there to generate some sort of discussion to hopefully move the day along.

I was hoping it's clear by now that "incredibly good evidence" to lynch someone will only help the scum unite. How exactly are you trying to "move the day along" by anything you've said so far?

I find it interesting at the beginning of the day that so many people seemed to dismiss Foog's statements yesterday. They my have been confusing, but he flipped town which means he was doing something, and everyone just dismissed them as a gambit. That seems like quite a waste of his efforts, and it seems like we're throwing out potential information.

Besides hoping he managed to draw in scum and pass the information on to someone, what can we do?

[Peanuts]

There are some things in your accusation that I can agree with, however I could also consider them true for a lot of other people here. What stood out for me was your comment above. I seem to remember that Li'l Hinckley was the person who first advocated that line of reasoning, and I think a few other people raised it too. So, it seems scummy to me that you would use that as part of your argument. The fact that Li'l Walter jumped to vote straight after your post is also... odd.

Hm, it's true that Li'l Hinck came up with the "kill him or we won't know if this is a sting" resoning, I completely missed that before. I have to say, it sounds like a strange reason to vote for someone, simply because that's basically inherent to most lynches.

I don't know about Li'l Walter; I have to say, his quick support puzzles me. Maybe he was suspicious of Dave before? But if, why didn't he say so?

[Cecilie]

I find it interesting at the beginning of the day that so many people seemed to dismiss Foog's statements yesterday. They my have been confusing, but he flipped town which means he was doing something, and everyone just dismissed them as a gambit. That seems like quite a waste of his efforts, and it seems like we're throwing out potential information.

Please enlighten us as to what there is to learn here...

I know this is going to be broad strokes, because it really is just basic instinctual blipping, but Cecile has actually been blipping my scumdar for pretty much the whole time. The fact that she is mayor now puts me even further on edge. We said scum wouldn't nominate/vote for each other for mayor, but perhaps now they are, and they put a mayor into position. It's a small role...

Not sure what you're really getting at. I'm blipping your scumdar, but for no apparent reason? I don't see why scum would want putting themselves out there just to get the mayor either, like you say, it's a small role, I doubt it's worth it to them.

Congrats to our new mayor, but I'm not sure I see what others have that gave them the confidence to vote for her (no offense Li'l Cecilie).

None taken .

I see people are still doing the lie detector thing. If I had a one-shot lie detector, I would surely have used it by now, so not sure how much use this has anymore, but it can't hurt to keep stating it: I am still aligned with town.

[Walter Kovacs]

I don't know about Li'l Walter; I have to say, his quick support puzzles me. Maybe he was suspicious of Dave before? But if, why didn't he say so?

Yes, I've had my suspicions about Dave since day 1, nothing concrete, though. I just wanted to give him a poke to get him talking, and address some of the concerns that have been raised against him.

Oh, and I am definitely town.

[Piratedave84]

I always was and still am town.

Peanuts, what kind of character analysis have you enlightened us with? I may very well be throwing you the ball back at you but you should not accuse someone of doing, or not doing in this case, something that you yourself are guilty of. I may mot have contributed as much as others but I really do think that my posts were not fluff; at least they were not meant to be!

Walter; you may not trust me but bare in mind that I equally do not trust you! There are a few people that I trust in this game and you know what ... Most of them don't trust you either!!

RL was busy for me this weekend and all of last week, I wish I could have been more active. But then again, re-reading the day threads leaves me with nothing to add/contribute.

I can share my suspicions if you want; most of these are based on gut feeling rather than facts because I don't have facts, none of us do!

They are as follow:

- Walter Kovacs

- Peanuts

- Zepher

- Palathadric

- capt. Redblade

[Nightshroud99]

Vote: Li'l Palathadric

Your response doesn't help your case and you've done nothing to help town along. I am also still suspicious of Cecilie, as I pointed out on day 1 I think. But, I'm content with my vote for now.

[Peanuts]

I always was and still am town.

Peanuts, what kind of character analysis have you enlightened us with? I may very well be throwing you the ball back at you but you should not accuse someone of doing, or not doing in this case, something that you yourself are guilty of. I may mot have contributed as much as others but I really do think that my posts were not fluff; at least they were not meant to be!

No, here's the thing: Your amount of contribution actually isn't that low. But you are contributing without analysing. I myself may not have said much, but this is because I wasn't able to come up with any good suspects. You, on the other hand, have tried to look like you helped us by frequently speaking, when you, in fact, were adding nothing to teh discussion at all.

Also, I accused you earlier. That's more than you have done.

Right now, I don't know how I'll be available until the end of the day, so I'll vote: Li'l Piratedave. I still should be able to follow and post later, but I want to be sure the day doesn't end without me voting.

[Palathadric]

Wait... he's still scummy even if you don't think he's scummy?

Coming off your vote for Nightshroud, statements like this where you doubt his scumminess seem very noncommittal and wishy-washy. Your posts look sensible on the surface, but I'm having more and more trouble finding any real substance to them. I don't throw this word around often, but you're starting to ping, Li'l Pally.

Whoa, where the hell did you come from?

Thanks for echoing my sentiments regarding Endgame.

What I meant, and I don't see how that wasn't clear to you, is that he has not struck me as being particularly scum by my standards, but considering that no one else has struck me as being particularly scummy either, he is the one who has been "pinging" my radar the most.

Let me say it this way. In most games, I wouldn't consider the "information" if you want to call it that, against Nightshroud sufficient enough information to lynch him, but since everyone seems pretty clamly and no one has really been striking me at all as being scummy, then I think he is our best lynch.

I don't know how much clearer I can make it, but I have an odd feeling that you won't understand even this.

I was hoping it's clear by now that "incredibly good evidence" to lynch someone will only help the scum unite. How exactly are you trying to "move the day along" by anything you've said so far?

Maybe I didn't quite say the right thing when I said "incredibly good evidence," perhaps what I meant more is that the lynches thus far have been based on next to no decent evidence whatsoever. To me, they really seemed like random shots in the dark, that, as one may suspect failed to find the target they were intended for. Nevertheless, they were the best we had, so we had to roll with it...I guess.

I was trying to generate at least some talking points, and right now at least a few others have shared their random suspicions as well, so though it may not have been a good way of moving the day along, it has clearly helped a little because people are talking about something more interesting than whether the vig or the scum killed CM and Foog.

[Piratedave84]

No, here's the thing: Your amount of contribution actually isn't that low. But you are contributing without analysing. I myself may not have said much, but this is because I wasn't able to come up with any good suspects. You, on the other hand, have tried to look like you helped us by frequently speaking, when you, in fact, were adding nothing to teh discussion at all.

Also, I accused you earlier. That's more than you have done.

Right now, I don't know how I'll be available until the end of the day, so I'll vote: Li'l Piratedave. I still should be able to follow and post later, but I want to be sure the day doesn't end without me voting.

Sooooo you are telling us that you are voting for me because I spoke more than you but failed to contribute ...

I fail to see how that makes any sense! You are laying low, only speaking up when absolutely necessary and have the guts to accuse me of the same thing!?

J'accuse

Peanuts you are positively and absolutely scum!

vote: lil'Peanuts

I am on my phone now and cant quote your 'contributions' but I urge all players to go back and look for themselves!

[Pandora]

Hm, it's true that Li'l Hinck came up with the "kill him or we won't know if this is a sting" resoning, I completely missed that before. I have to say, it sounds like a strange reason to vote for someone, simply because that's basically inherent to most lynches.

I don't know about Li'l Walter; I have to say, his quick support puzzles me. Maybe he was suspicious of Dave before? But if, why didn't he say so?

I was thinking about this, and I went back to look.

If we don't lynch him we'll keep wondering if this is all an act or not. It's an odd strategy: backed into a corner, behave like a Townie who is giving up.

As Hinck just pointed out, if we don't lynch him today, we will wonder again tomorrow and it will again, probably, turn into a dead end. I was hoping it was a gambit and that by this time he would have turned around and laid out a case or explanation for his bahaviour.

I still don't know if Li'l Scouty is town or scum, but I think the issue is clouding everybody's vision and until we resolve it, I can't see us moving forward a great deal.

Those who mentioned it do have a point that if we don't lynch Scouty today we will probably always be left wondering whether he was scum or not, so it probably is better to get the matter over with so that it doesn't weigh on us in the following days.

As I said, Scouty, the fracas surrounding you can only serve to distract us from here on if we let you stick around.

That's actually quite a lot of people (4) all coming from the same stand point. Why didn't you say something about it yesterday if it's bothering you so much?

And voting's been open for 6 hours only, but you're voting now in case the day ends without you voting? Do you have somewhere to be Lil' Nuts?

It's increasingly striking me that you're voting for someone for any reason you can find, and that doesn't sit well. I appreciate that I had the same reasoning for voting for Li'l Trumpet, but you behaviour still surprises me. That and Li'l Walt jumping in too, which both of you have distanced yourselves from.

I will Vote: Li'l Peanuts (Peanuts) but I will be around to change my vote if necessary.

[Piratedave84]

For the sake of my vote having the proper format:

vote: Li'l Peanuts (Peanuts)

[Capt. Redblade]

Due to his aforementioned wishy-washyness, I will

Vote: Li'l Palathadric.

[Peanuts]

That's actually quite a lot of people (4) all coming from the same stand point. Why didn't you say something about it yesterday if it's bothering you so much?

And voting's been open for 6 hours only, but you're voting now in case the day ends without you voting? Do you have somewhere to be Lil' Nuts?

Well, it's easy not to focus on some guys agreeing with Li'l Hinck's argument when there are better arguments for lynching Li'l Scouty around, really.

And yes, there's a chance I won't be around for the next 24 hours or so, and if you include sleep in my time zone, I might not be around before the day ends.

[Hinckley]

Either way, we may soon have problems.

Soon? Haven't you noticed someone is here killing children. What kind of school is this? Where are the police? Oh, right. Mafia School.

Damn it. I was sure by the end of the day Scouty was scum. And Li'l Foog was my next best suspect, too. At least this proves our vig is still up and about, and has reasonable choice of target, it seems many thought his behavior odd yesterday. (Assuming it was our vig, which is extremely likely.) It's unfortunate that our mayor died as well. It doesn't surprise me he was killed, but like others, I'm kind of surprise he wasn't converted already. Maybe the talk about it on Day One scared them away from the thought?

You were sure Scouty was Scum?

If you were surprised Cornelius hadn't been converted, what were you doing to keep an eye on him for changes from the time of his inauguration?

Three people who have been blipping my scumdar though, a bit are Cecilia, Zepher, and CallMePie. Can't really say why though, and looking back I was surprised to see that a lot things I had thought Cecilie had said were, in fact, not her, which again spreads things out frustratingly wide.

If it wasn't Cecilie, who was it and why aren't you accusing that person?

I don't think most people are thinking about a mayor right now.

I don't mind being mayor but, as I've said, I really don't think it makes a difference in the end as it's very unlikely that there ever will be a tie vote anyway.

Vote: Palathadric since clearly I am the only one who knows how to steer clear from bandwagons, which must make me a good leader . That's right your band's wagon is too annoyingly noisy! (I didn't bold my vote on perpose, as it's just for fun).

It's a joke. It's serious. It's a floor wax. It's a dessert topping.

It's funny, if you asked me who seemed scummiest, your name would be on that list, along with PirateDave and Nightshroud. PirateDave is the least scummy to me right now.

Vote: Li'l Pirate Dave

Peanuts you are positively and absolutely scum!

vote: lil'Peanuts

I am on my phone now and cant quote your 'contributions' but I urge all players to go back and look for themselves!

Whoa whoa whoa. You've just done again exactly what Peanuts has said you did. Accuse with no substance, except this time it has the hyperbole of absolutely and positively. So, I think we could use your help with some evidence to back that up. Have any?

[Walter Kovacs]

As I said before, I just wanted PirateDave to talk a bit more. He's starting to open up, so I will:

Unvote: Li'l Pirate Dave (PirateDave84)

[Hinckley]

We have a new student: Li'l Tigger.

[Palathadric]

If it wasn't Cecilie, who was it and why aren't you accusing that person?

It's a joke. It's serious. It's a floor wax. It's a dessert topping.

Because it's in context. If Cecilie had said, I would've thought it suspicious due to it's nature in regards to her other words, but since it was not her, but actually ChromeKnight it doesn't have the same weight.

Anyway, it was in regards to the role PM issue which Zeph had. For some reason I can't load the page now.

My mayoral vote for myself was entirely at jest. Later on, it was 1/4 serious. Not sure what you were trying to say there though.

[Hinckley]

Vote: Li'l Palathadric (Palathadric)

Because it's in context. If Cecilie had said, I would've thought it suspicious due to it's nature in regards to her other words, but since it was not her, but actually ChromeKnight it doesn't have the same weight.

Anyway, it was in regards to the role PM issue which Zeph had. For some reason I can't load the page now.

Well, I could load the page and here are the two quotes from Li'l Chrome about the issue revolving around the role PM:

Mr Def said that we don't know.

Have you not been paying attention in class?

Unless MrDef is being sneaky. Or you're being sneaky.

Are you being sneaky? Or just confused?

That leads to the interesting question of why your pm doesn't say that Cecilie?

So, these two quotes, even if spoken by Cecilie, unlikely since one addresses her, don't seem to incriminate her any more or less. Sorry, I don't believe your answer. I think you dropped some hasty suspicions to appear active and avoid suspicion yourself.

Mayor is essentially a power role we get to distribute; therefore, no matter how unlikely the chane of a tie there is, the mayor should always be scrutinized heavily. What I would find interesting is if the Mayor doesn't end up dying. Since Mayor is literally a revealed power role, assuming it isn't their own, chances are that the Mayor will be killed.

I'm lost on the interjection "assuming it isn't their own." Can you elaborate on your statement there?

This day is disturbingly quiet. Suddenly, we're bandwagon-shy? Maybe we're finally onto something. It seems this game is being played very heavily right now in the playground, lunchroom, bathroom, gymnasium and personal messenger.

[Capt. Redblade]

This day is disturbingly quiet. Suddenly, we're bandwagon-shy? Maybe we're finally onto something. It seems this game is being played very heavily right now in the playground, lunchroom, bathroom, gymnasium and personal messenger.

Good god, I hope so. Because bandwagons have gotten us so far.

Let us hope the town PRs are working hard on some leads. Even if they're not, we need to pick up the conversation in here. Public discussion = good is basic kindergarten stuff.

[Zepher]

I agree it's been too quiet (myself as well, I've been very busy with normal Earthling things and have not been tracking down small rodents to send back to the mothership for testing...).

Luckily, my normal Earthling activities ended recently, so I will take my nap time now and then come back to play in earnest. The vote split today is very interesting.

I'll say more later, but about my thoughts earlier: Cecile, its the support you seem to have (not only today, but other days too) that makes you blip, moreso than anything you've done. You also seem very quiet, sort of flying under the radar but still appearing helpful. I don't know. I feel like I am grasping at straws here, but you've blipped me for all three days, and now are mayor, so I thought it was worth bringing up. As for a mayor gambit, that's exactly why scum would have run you, so that you can say "the scum wouldn't run someone for mayor". You're really just blipping me. There are so kids who always read scum to me though: for example, Rick all game has been on my radar, but there's something about his playing style that always draws my attention...

Also, your statement that the lie detector has already been used is most likely wrong. The lie detector is a one shot. Anyone using it is safe to come forward because they would have no reason not to (the scum wouldn't kill them for an "action" and we'd know for a fact that alignment of one player). So that blips for me too.

Lil' Peanuts doesn't strike me as scummy. Pally seems to just be voicing unpopular but insightful opinions. Nightshroud and PirateDave seem over-all mis-informed to me, so much so that I can't imagine they have a team coaching them right now.

I guess Nightshroud has been the most sporadic out of all the likely candidates today. Vote: Lil' Nightshroud (Nightshroud99), but that is very subject to change.