Eurobricks Mafia II: Mafia School: Day Three

[Rick]

As I said before, I just wanted PirateDave to talk a bit more. He's starting to open up, so I will:

Unvote: Li'l Pirate Dave (PirateDave84)

Do you really think a vote was necessary just to get him to talk? How exactly has he convinced you to unvote him? All he seems to have done in response was vote for his accuser.

Because it's in context. If Cecilie had said, I would've thought it suspicious due to it's nature in regards to her other words, but since it was not her, but actually ChromeKnight it doesn't have the same weight.

You are suspicious of someone for things they didn't say? What about your suspicions of Zepher and Pie?

Also, your statement that the lie detector has already been used is most likely wrong. The lie detector is a one shot. Anyone using it is safe to come forward because they would have no reason not to (the scum wouldn't kill them for an "action" and we'd know for a fact that alignment of one player). So that blips for me too.

Do you really think it's safe to come forward with a clear town role in this class setup? With the results they'd clear a townie or confirm a scum. We all know what happened when li'l Cam confirmed a scum the last time around. Even confirming townies helps the scum, especially on later days. They might already be figuring out alignments behind the scenes and by the process of elimination they could end up finding each other.

Lil' Peanuts doesn't strike me as scummy. Pally seems to just be voicing unpopular but insightful opinions. Nightshroud and PirateDave seem over-all mis-informed to me, so much so that I can't imagine they have a team coaching them right now.

Can you explain how li'l Pally's contributions are "insightful"?

[Palathadric]

It was her having said that and quite clearly have not gotten the same PM by def. It seemed clear enough to me at the time that Zeph had confused his vanilla town role PM (and I don't believe the scum had gotten the format of the town PMs at the time) and her having spoken first and also said this:

That's interesting. You know if you're convertible or not? Because I can't remember being told anything about being convertible or not. Just saying.

Would have made me rather suspicious of her.

Thanks for finding the PMs for me. My internet is working decently at the moment, but it's been all over the place over the past few days.

And for going rather silent throughout almost the entire game and from what it seems like not paying attention or contributing in any way

Vote: Li'l Endgame

[Cecilie]

I'll say more later, but about my thoughts earlier: Cecile, its the support you seem to have (not only today, but other days too) that makes you blip, moreso than anything you've done. You also seem very quiet, sort of flying under the radar but still appearing helpful. I don't know. I feel like I am grasping at straws here, but you've blipped me for all three days, and now are mayor, so I thought it was worth bringing up. As for a mayor gambit, that's exactly why scum would have run you, so that you can say "the scum wouldn't run someone for mayor". You're really just blipping me. There are so kids who always read scum to me though: for example, Rick all game has been on my radar, but there's something about his playing style that always draws my attention...

so... I'm scummy because others find me to be a trustworthy townie? You're interesting .

Also, your statement that the lie detector has already been used is most likely wrong. The lie detector is a one shot. Anyone using it is safe to come forward because they would have no reason not to (the scum wouldn't kill them for an "action" and we'd know for a fact that alignment of one player). So that blips for me too.

As Rick pointed out, your logic is flawed here. If someone came out and said "oh, this guy lied, he's not a townie!", that would just help confirm the scum teams for each other. Or if he found someone to speak the truth about being a townie, why bring that forward and paint a target on their head? Are you sure you're even grasping the concept of the game here?

Lil' Peanuts doesn't strike me as scummy. Pally seems to just be voicing unpopular but insightful opinions. Nightshroud and PirateDave seem over-all mis-informed to me, so much so that I can't imagine they have a team coaching them right now.

All four of those have been on my suspect list for some time now, without there really being much other to say about them than what's already been said a number of times by others. Funny that they seem to be accusing each other, but they could be on different scum teams . And I think you're forgetting another aspect of the game concept with that statement Li'l Zeph, each scum team is quite small, so they don't have a big team backing them up and coaching them... Well, the recruiters may be up to a somewhat larger team now, but we don't know that for sure. And I'm also going to assume the teams haven't connected yet.

[Endgame]

I'm lost on the interjection "assuming it isn't their own." Can you elaborate on your statement there?

Ah, I'm sorry. "One of their own" refers to a scum (either team.)

What I'm mostly curious about, Palathadric, is why me, instead of the far more sporadic or even quieter players. Note that I am not trying to deflect any suspicions to them, I am just curious why out of all the other possible players you picked me out of the bunch. Saying anything truly concrete in this game is incredibly difficult, and downright suicidal in some cases. You seem to be one of the few people that has this suspicion of me - I am indeed Townie, so I'd like to hear you elaborate on your case against me if possible. Saying he "isn't active" is hardly something you could put a meaningful defense up to.

But you are indeed right - I am not as active as I want to be. Other Heroica stuff, as well as of course that pesky Real Life, sometimes detract time from Mafia. I'll definitely be more vocal from here on out.

[Piratedave84]

I realize my vote for Peanuts may appear as OMFGUS so here is a compilation of the posts (someone graciously provided this summary to me; thank you!)

I was just looking over them myself. I'll share:

Well, at least we have a candidate now. I myself don't set value on being mayor, and I'm happy to defer to you.

It's unlikely the mayor will ever have to return a verdict, so I don't think the scum would actually make killing him top priority.

There doesn't seem to be a penalty, but two of us have already voted, which means, if no-one else votes, Li'l Kovacs will be mayor. But may I ask why you think that we will profit if there is no mayor?

I wouldn't go as far as to say Li'l Cornelius is confirmed town just for candidating, but he seems as good a candidate as any, and I might not be around by the time voting ends.

Hence, I Mayor: Li'l CorneliusMurdock.

Wrong format

Mayor: Li'l CorneliusMurdock

Well, I know that I won't trust our mayor just because he is a mayor, but to me, it's not a reason to scrutinize them either. I just don't think it's a very important role, because I think we as town will manage to make sure no ties will be generated.

But I have to disagree that an unexpected move would be a good move for the town. There's a reason we don't expect them to step into the spotlight, because it would be bad for them to be scrutinized.

Huh? Are you just thinking aloud now? There is no reason whatsoever to elect a scummy mayor. It's just stupid. We can scrutinize them without electing him, you know. And no scum in their right mind would refrain from using a night action without a good reason to. As you yourself point out, we should lynch scummy players, not make them our mayor. I don't say the mayor has to be incredibly trustworthy, but he shouldn't be scummy either. I'd prefer them to be town.

There is no more productive way to use this role, in my opinion. It rarely has any power, but we won't gain anything from giving it to the scum.

Sorry, I wanted to say "disagree that an unexpected move would be a good move for the scum".

I highly doubt scum would be able to provoke a tie. Think about it, in all the mafia games that were played on Eurobricks, there never has been a tie (I think). And every lynched scum player ever would have created one if they had been able to.

Probably not, no.

I am aligned with the town.

I can't say the case against Li'l Zepher is strong, his defense was okay considering the accusation didn't have much weight. The stranger is it that Li'l Trumpetking seems to be so tunneled on him, first because he wanted to lynch convertible townies, then because of his "inconsistencies".

I'm afraid I can't see where these inconsistencies lie, can you please point them out by quoting his posts? If not, you seem to be a good lynch candidate to me.

So, Li'l Trumpteking has spoken up, and what he said doesn't make me believe he is town. And even if he is, I highly doubt we'd lose much if we lynch him, he hasn't been very helpful either.

Thus, I vote: Li'l Trumpetking

Well, it's good news that one scum is dead. I wonder if that's the result of Li'l Trumpetking's ploy, or just pure luck?

And I wonder what happened to the other kill. Maybe we got lucky and blocked their killer, maybe they got lucky and blocked ours.

Do we even have a blocker?

To be honest, I doubt the scum team would have converted Li'l Danny after the way he played in the Pearl (no offense, I really don't want to be mean or complain about him, but he was killed for a reason).

It is odd that we all together asked if he was town right before he was revealed, though.

I wonder if he might have been a Dead Miller? But that role doesn't make sence without an investigator, does it?

No, I mean the scenario, that he was converted before he was killed (by either side).

And by Dead Miller I mean a Miller who isn't cleared right upon his death. Not that I really believe that, it seems far more logical that he was scum to begin with. What I really meant to say is that for metagame-y reasons I don't think the scum would have converted Li'l Danny.

I don't think the scum would actively try to get anyone lynched, out of fear that they might end up lynching one of their own by accident. That's why Danny voting for you doesn't clear you one bit, it just means you were not on the same team, but it doesn't mean, that you aren't both scum.

The case against you is not the best I've ever seen on Day Two, but it's the best we can go on right now. One third of the day is left, and I seriously doubt something better will come up.

Fortune favors the bold, as they say.

Vote: Li'l Scouty

On another note, we all said yesterday we were town, in order to give a possible Lie Detector something to test. Thing is, people can be converted, and I am afraid the Lie Detector might get skewed results. Do you think we should state our towniness once a day from now on? Well, it's just three words, so: I am town.

Well, that's not good at all. I guess those of you who thought the mayor was about to have a short life were right. So, who wants to be his successor?

I guess we can agree that the vig took out Li'l Foog, while the scum killed our late mayor .

I find it somewhat strange that Li'l Sandy seems convinced that Li'l Danny was offed by the scum. I thought we had agreed that we couldn't be sure, or am I missing something?

I meant Li'l Cecilie, of course...

Actually, no, it wouldn't. Whether they killed one of their own or not, it always makes sence to kill someone who they are farily certain is town. And Danny seems like an unlikely scum target to me. But I guess that's yesterday's topic.

Sorry, but I can't see how Li'l Corny's death correlates with the scum team uniting at all. In fact, all I read there is: "Either they tried to convert him and teamed up or they didn't try to convert him and teamed up or they didn't team up at all".

It's not very far-fetched to say that they killed him just because he seemed townie, as that's the logical thing for the scum to do. I think all combinations of conversion and uniting are possible, but there are no real signs that strongly indicate either.

Trying to find some signs looks like reading tea leaves to me, you'll always get the result you were expecting to get.

By the way, if nobody else wants to, I don't mind becoming the new Mayor. I don't want to see the role given to somebody at random.

I am still town.

Congrats to Li'l Cecilie for being mayor. I hope you'll live longer than two days...well, that is, if you are town, of course.

Right now, I can't say I have many people who appear outright scummy to me. The only person I am really suspicious of right now is Li'l Piratedave. Why? I re-read all his posts yesterday and I realized, that while he said quite a lot, and encouraged the lynch of Li'l Scouty, he never came up with a character analysis. At all. Out of every post I read, I never saw anything that I would count as character analysis. He seemed to base his whole gameplay on numbers, game mechanics and night actions, which I think is highly scummy.

There are some others, like Li'l Pal or Li'l Redblade, who have acted weird in the past, but I can see how a townie might behave like they did.

The thing about Li'l Dave is, in my eyes he tries to look helpful by posting frequently, but when he does, he ususally is summing up what others said or is looking for information instead of analysis. To me, his reasoning behind his vote for Scouty sounded like "If we don't lynch him, we won't know what side he's on" and "I don't think he'd try the same thing he tried in the last game".

To me, he looks like the best lynch candidate we have today.

Oh, and I completely forgot to mention this:

When called out on just reiterating, he reacted highly defensive. His whole post read like "Why do you call me out, I am already acting like a townie!"

Hm, it's true that Li'l Hinck came up with the "kill him or we won't know if this is a sting" resoning, I completely missed that before. I have to say, it sounds like a strange reason to vote for someone, simply because that's basically inherent to most lynches.

I don't know about Li'l Walter; I have to say, his quick support puzzles me. Maybe he was suspicious of Dave before? But if, why didn't he say so?

No, here's the thing: Your amount of contribution actually isn't that low. But you are contributing without analysing. I myself may not have said much, but this is because I wasn't able to come up with any good suspects. You, on the other hand, have tried to look like you helped us by frequently speaking, when you, in fact, were adding nothing to teh discussion at all.

Also, I accused you earlier. That's more than you have done.

Right now, I don't know how I'll be available until the end of the day, so I'll vote: Li'l Piratedave. I still should be able to follow and post later, but I want to be sure the day doesn't end without me voting.

Well, it's easy not to focus on some guys agreeing with Li'l Hinck's argument when there are better arguments for lynching Li'l Scouty around, really.

And yes, there's a chance I won't be around for the next 24 hours or so, and if you include sleep in my time zone, I might not be around before the day ends.

First thing; don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

There are several instances of you mixing up names or events, and then the "Dead Miller" post.

Your posts are all over and you seem to side with the person who at that time has the most support whereas if you look at my posts, I have always sided/agreed with the same individuals; me consistent, you not so much.

What I notice from your post is that, besides me, you have never outright accused someone rather waiting to see where the group goes and than you contribute your 2 cents, another thing you are accusing me of doing.

All and all, I compared my posts with yours and you my friend, have not been contributing more than I have and as such should not scrutinize me for doing something you yourself are guilty of.

I am not trying to sway the vote for you nor am I trying to sway it away from me; I am pointing out to you that you have not been as helpful as you think you may have been.

My vote stands, now based on substance rather than OMFGUS

[Walter Kovacs]

Do you really think a vote was necessary just to get him to talk? How exactly has he convinced you to unvote him? All he seems to have done in response was vote for his accuser.

I've been corresponding with Li'l Pirate Dave and others, and I'm as convinced as I can be that he's town. Or the scum have REALLY pulled a fast one over on me.

[def]

24 hours left to vote....

[TheBoyWonder]

I too wonder about Peanuts? He's not at all bold, or even clear.

He is accusing others who have done the same as him, so as far as I'm concerned, it's breeding unnecessary confusion. Especially the infamous "Death Miller" post,

Therefore, I shall boldly:

Vote: Lil'Peanuts

[Zepher]

As Rick pointed out, your logic is flawed here. If someone came out and said "oh, this guy lied, he's not a townie!", that would just help confirm the scum teams for each other. Or if he found someone to speak the truth about being a townie, why bring that forward and paint a target on their head? Are you sure you're even grasping the concept of the game here?

All four of those have been on my suspect list for some time now, without there really being much other to say about them than what's already been said a number of times by others. Funny that they seem to be accusing each other, but they could be on different scum teams . And I think you're forgetting another aspect of the game concept with that statement Li'l Zeph, each scum team is quite small, so they don't have a big team backing them up and coaching them... Well, the recruiters may be up to a somewhat larger team now, but we don't know that for sure. And I'm also going to assume the teams haven't connected yet.

You're right, my logic was flawed. I was very tired and being not very smart, it would seem.

And I'm aware they don't have large teams coaching them. But assuming that Danny was not a killer (I know we can't assume, but there was about a 50/50 chance at that point), then none of the scum are alone. Look at some of the theories that Peanuts, PirateDave, all these accused folks have been throwing up. It very much seems to me like they're just confused and lost. Someone said the same thing about Scouty yesterday, and Trumpet the day before, and they both flipped town.

Final thought: is there any reason for the miller to NOT come forward as the miller (again, assuming there is one, def hinted heavily there would be). Does that role do anything but hurt the town? I realize the POTENTIAL benefit, of them being used in a very serious sting, but there's no reason for that sting to work any better than the others, and I don't think the scum have a way to "investigate" other than conversions, which either work or don't, don't tell them why. So, should the miller come forward and admit their role, saving us the trouble of false investigation results?

[Walter Kovacs]

Final thought: is there any reason for the miller to NOT come forward as the miller (again, assuming there is one, def hinted heavily there would be). Does that role do anything but hurt the town? I realize the POTENTIAL benefit, of them being used in a very serious sting, but there's no reason for that sting to work any better than the others, and I don't think the scum have a way to "investigate" other than conversions, which either work or don't, don't tell them why. So, should the miller come forward and admit their role, saving us the trouble of false investigation results?

Wait, what? Why would there be a Miller in this game. The Town has no Cop (or at least we were told there wouldn't be one), and without a Cop a Miller would never give the false Scum investigation result that their role is meant to provide.

Without a Cop, the Miller becomes a Vanilla townie for all intents and purposes. So no, the Miller, if there is one, should not come forward.

Come to think of it, I don't remember Mr. def ever mentioning a Miller would be in the mix. Do you remember where you saw it, Li'l Zepher?

[Rick]

And I'm aware they don't have large teams coaching them. But assuming that Danny was not a killer (I know we can't assume, but there was about a 50/50 chance at that point), then none of the scum are alone. Look at some of the theories that Peanuts, PirateDave, all these accused folks have been throwing up. It very much seems to me like they're just confused and lost. Someone said the same thing about Scouty yesterday, and Trumpet the day before, and they both flipped town.

It's a strange reason to assume they're simply confused townies. They might not be alone, but it doesn't mean they're getting good advice. And you still didn't explain why li'l Pala's posts were "insightful" to you.

[Pandora]

Well, it's easy not to focus on some guys agreeing with Li'l Hinck's argument when there are better arguments for lynching Li'l Scouty around, really.

But you didn't focus on the issue during yesterday when there were "better arguments for lynching Scouty", you specifically chose one person today of the people who mentioned it yesterday, and not even the person who came up with the theory.

And yes, there's a chance I won't be around for the next 24 hours or so, and if you include sleep in my time zone, I might not be around before the day ends.

At the time you made this post, there were 39 hours remaining in the day. How much sleep do you need Li'l Nuts? It sounds more like "Waaaah! I can't hear you and I've got my fingers in my ears, and I'm not changing my vote ever and I'm running awaaaaay!"

I realize my vote for Peanuts may appear as OMFGUS so here is a compilation of the posts (someone graciously provided this summary to me; thank you!)

Yes it did rather, but someone kindly provided the posts for you? Why isn't that person voting for Li'l Nuts?

I too wonder about Peanuts? He's not at all bold, or even clear.

He is accusing others who have done the same as him, so as far as I'm concerned, it's breeding unnecessary confusion. Especially the infamous "Death Miller" post,

Therefore, I shall boldly:

This is all you have to say? The "teasing Li'l Nuts for not bolding his vote" thing was yesterday, and this post is mostly that. I know my reasons for voting, and I sort of understand Li'l Piratedave's now (sort of), but your reasons just sound like a regurgitation. Could you expand on the "breeding unnecessary confusion" part, please?

[TheBoyWonder]

Well, the odds of a death killer were extremely low, nigh on nonexistent. This caused discussion, but I feel it planted a seed of doubt about whether Danny was scum or not. This kind of doubt on a Dead Scum made me at least slightly unsure. I felt this was unnecessary, especially in a game with this type of clear set up.

[Capt. Redblade]

Also, your statement that the lie detector has already been used is most likely wrong. The lie detector is a one shot. Anyone using it is safe to come forward because they would have no reason not to (the scum wouldn't kill them for an "action" and we'd know for a fact that alignment of one player). So that blips for me too.

Hmm. Perhaps the lie detector has been used, but it uncovered a scum. Maybe the lie detector is afraid to reveal their information in the day thread for fear that the scum will contact each other.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the lie detector has been used just yet.

[CMP]

Sorry my lack of contribution today. The week took a rather busy turn for me.

You were sure Scouty was Scum?

If you were surprised Cornelius hadn't been converted, what were you doing to keep an eye on him for changes from the time of his inauguration?

Okay, I wasn't sure he was scum, but after my accusations against him he just seemed to get scummier as time went on.

You answered your second question. I was looking out for changes in his behavior. None really occurred. And I meant it in that I suspected him to be converted rather than killed, if at all.

Anywho. I'm still town, Now, Nightshroud's argument against Palathadric seems reasonable to me. His suspicions seems pretty all over the place and are more or less unsubstantiated. (Except for his gut feeling, I guess?) I'm not a huge fan of how he jumps on Endgame as soon as he's done trying to defend himself against Nghtshroud,for the exact same reasons he himself explained and apologized for; that is, their inactivity. Vote: Li'l Palathadric (Palathadric).

[Palathadric]

What I'm mostly curious about, Palathadric, is why me, instead of the far more sporadic or even quieter players. Note that I am not trying to deflect any suspicions to them, I am just curious why out of all the other possible players you picked me out of the bunch. Saying anything truly concrete in this game is incredibly difficult, and downright suicidal in some cases. You seem to be one of the few people that has this suspicion of me - I am indeed Townie, so I'd like to hear you elaborate on your case against me if possible. Saying he "isn't active" is hardly something you could put a meaningful defense up to.

Really? Somehow I've at least noticed theboywonder and his ilk that have been slipping along this game, but you have been missing very often to say the least.

I'll definitely be more vocal from here on out.

Let's hope so.

Hmm. Perhaps the lie detector has been used, but it uncovered a scum. Maybe the lie detector is afraid to reveal their information in the day thread for fear that the scum will contact each other.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the lie detector has been used just yet.

What makes you so certain there is a lie detector at all.

Anywho. I'm still town, Now, Nightshroud's argument against Palathadric seems reasonable to me. His suspicions seems pretty all over the place and are more or less unsubstantiated. (Except for his gut feeling, I guess?) I'm not a huge fan of how he jumps on Endgame as soon as he's done trying to defend himself against Nghtshroud,for the exact same reasons he himself explained and apologized for; that is, their inactivity. Vote: Li'l Palathadric (Palathadric).

So you're saying the Nightshroud's argument against me is reasonable, and I'll take it that mine and Foog's arguments against him from Day 1 and 2 were completely unfounded, right?

I also don't get the last part of your statement. Who are you saying apologized for their inactivity? I would have voted for Nightshroud, but it would seem pretty worthless and would probably turn out no better than my vote against him yesterday.

[CMP]

So you're saying the Nightshroud's argument against me is reasonable, and I'll take it that mine and Foog's arguments against him from Day 1 and 2 were completely unfounded, right?

I also don't get the last part of your statement. Who are you saying apologized for their inactivity? I would have voted for Nightshroud, but it would seem pretty worthless and would probably turn out no better than my vote against him yesterday.

Your argument consisted of 'That one thing he said at the end of Day One was scummy', gut feelings aside. I call that incomplete, not unfounded.

I'm talking about here:

I admit to not contributing seriously, and I'm sorry for that, but I don't really have much to say or go on except hunches right now, andso I figure I may as well throw those out, but I do understand that it may actually not have been such a good idea.

Um...woah, where have you been? I didn't even realize that you were here with us. Slinking in the shadows, eh?

And your following vote. By no means am I defending Endgame, but it's pretty hypocritical of you to openly admit to being inactive, give your reasons for not contributing much, and then going at someone for doing the exact same thing.

[def]

Vote Tally:

Li'l Pirate Dave 1 (Peanuts)

Li'l Palathadric 4 (Nightshroud, Capt. Redblade, Hinckley, CallMePie)

Li'l Peanuts 3 (PirateDave, Pandora, BoyWonder)

Li'l Nightshroud 1 (Zepher)

Li'l Endgame 1 (Palathadric)

[Endgame]

Vote: Li'l Palathadric (Palathadric)

This is not for voting for me specifically - it is your behavior and the reason behind the actual vote itself. Your entire behavior seems iffy and indecisive, and you seem quick to accuse and vote for people who are guilty as the same behavior as you. Your entire demeanor is just causing my scumdar to go off - thus, my vote.

[Palathadric]

At least my "hunches" have gotten conversation going, even if it's not in the direction I would like it to be. Endgame on the other hand has just drifted along blissfully posting little agreement messages here and there.

[Endgame]

I'm still curious about your fixation on me - you even mention others who you finds similar to me, yet continue to go after me. You seem very sporadic, vote for a hypocritical reason, and now being a bit passive aggressive.

You seemed to have brewed more confusion then discussion... and the discussion that did occur due to you has led to several people voting for you.

[Capt. Redblade]

What makes you so certain there is a lie detector at all.

I'm not sure, really. Maybe it's the fact that we've all just kind of gone along with the idea that there's a lie detector for three days. At this point, I think we're all just taking it as gospel.

And so are you, it seems:

For the record: I am aligned with town.

And because I forgot earlier:

I am aligned with town.

By the way, what's with all the spaces in your post? Trying to make your post seem bigger.

For the Lie Detector: I am aligned with Town.

If you have (or have had) doubts about the status of the lie detector, why wait until now to voice them? Why not pipe up and say something when the lie detector theory was first floated on Day One? You would lose nothing from saying you doubted the existence of the lie detector then, while doing so this far into the process is very inconsistent with what has already been said. It looks like you're ignoring a rather large part of the last three days' worth of discussion just to raise a point of contention (which isn't much of one at that) and make it seem like you're participating. Behaviour like this is precisely why you're on the chopping block today.

[Hinckley]

It was her having said that and quite clearly have not gotten the same PM by def. It seemed clear enough to me at the time that Zeph had confused his vanilla town role PM (and I don't believe the scum had gotten the format of the town PMs at the time) and her having spoken first and also said this:

Would have made me rather suspicious of her.

You specifically said it was something Chromeknight said that you thought Cecilie said that would've made her seem more suspicious. Now you are saying it was what Cecilie herself said. Well, which is it?

[Hinckley]

Did everyone fall asleep?

Probably. It's been a very active day in here. Wait...no it hasn't. I hope the slow and somewhat sporadic voting means we're on to something.

[Rick]

At least my "hunches" have gotten conversation going, even if it's not in the direction I would like it to be. Endgame on the other hand has just drifted along blissfully posting little agreement messages here and there.

You still haven't explained your "hunches" regarding li'l Zeph and li'l Pie. You seem to find a lot of people suspicious, but - as has been pointed out by others - you haven't really explained any of your suspicions adequately, so I fail to see how you're helping any more than some of the people you accuse of not contributing. Perhaps you're afraid to guide the town too much when you turn up scum?

Vote: Li'l Palathadric (Palathadric)

I hope the slow and somewhat sporadic voting means we're on to something.

Let's hope so.