Eurobricks Mafia II: Mafia School: Day Four

[CMP]

Rest in peace, Li'l Pala. I'd make a rest in pieces joke, but he was (unbelievably) town. Damn it, the conditions were just perfect for it, we tore off both his legs. Oh well.

Mayor: CallMePie. We draw ever closer to the point where it matters who the mayor is, and I'm willing to (seemingly, judging by the late Li'l CM and Cecilie) put my life on the line to make sure it's a townie.

[Hinckley]

Inaction is a bad action. We need something to discuss. Therefore: Mayor: Lil' Zepher (Zepher). Who wants to run against me?

Mayor: CallMePie. We draw ever closer to the point where it matters who the mayor is, and I'm willing to (seemingly, judging by the late Li'l CM and Cecilie) put my life on the line to make sure it's a townie.

Mayor: CallMePie.

Sorry Zepher. The cases are "get discussion going" and "I'm willing to die to protect the role". If I've put it in the wrong hands, sorry. We're not going to win this by sitting back and I have a gut feeling that Pie is the better choice here.

[Zepher]

Well, clearly I'm willing to die for the role . That actually goes without saying.

Why do you trust CallMePie more? Please, tell me. It intrigues me that you vaguely state that you trust him more without offering any reasoning, particularly because you said it was VERY IMPORTANT that it land on the right side. So, what's the reasoning?

[Hinckley]

OK, we can't risk another quiet day. It got us nowhere yesterday and we're giving too many people places to hide.

Let's look at some suspects:

Li'l Chromie, fluffiest of fluffers:

By my count, Li'l pala is well done for.

I can't see much new information changing that in the last couple of hours.

Still, Li'l piratedave pings harder for me. Though I have nothing more substantial than his reflexive OMFGUS ( which I did see him retroactively attempt to justify).

So, in the interest of looking forward to tomorrow's vote, vote: Li'l piratedave

A vote late in the day, off of the bandwagon is a great way to appear Townie. You vote for Scouty pretty early on Day One, but the other two days, you wait until late. It's a very safe place for Scum to vote. When you're stuck in the Scum mindset, you feel safe there.

It is a shame to see Scouty go, I will miss his cooking.

Now we need a new mayor?

Day one was full of how voting for someone without them asking for it was rude. I remember Li'l Hink specifically making that point.

Now he drops it on Cec without her stepping forward. Odd.

And Li'l Redblade is still doing his parrot impression.

Sod the lot of you.

Mayor:Li'l Chromeknight

You attempt to mayor yourself despite not ever really being active. You are flying way under the radar. We have been lynching quieter players, but not the quietest players. You seem to have been pretty safe popping in occasionally to boing around and never really giving us anything substantial as far as suspicions go. You vote late and don't make any ripples, yet you wanted the position of Mayor.

I have had an unhelpful home life. Sorry classmates.

Now, coming back and reading everything, It seems the Scouty bandwagon has plenty of steam.

In the absence of new information,

vote:li'l Scouty

Hooray for bandwagons! Great reason to vote.

Li'l Boy:

I know it sounds like I'm raising a beacon, but all game I've been a complete and utter sheep. I've been pussyfooting. The way I see it, with 14 people, and the chance of 7 scum, everyone needs to pull their socks up, and attempt to help.

And that's what I intend to do.

Yeah? It's the second day in a row you've done it:

Okay, if they haven't, then It's not too bad.

But on the off chance they have, it's Endgame. With only 14 left, if their are 7 scum, how hard would it be for them to find each other? It's a 1in 2 chance.

I'm puzzled. Lil' Socuty was town? Oh god.

If 6 people are scum, then we may have problems. It would also mean the scum have been extremely lucky in their targets. If that is the case, the most likely scum ratio is 3:3. 3 in the killers would be bad, but as would 3 in the recruiters. Either way, we may soon have problems.

And are you referring to the Beckett play? Two days in a row, you seem to be signaling to another Scum team.

My main suspect today is still Peanuts. The deathmiller comment still strikes me as odd.

Didn't Nightshroud previously say he didn't trust Cecile? Perhaps that should be looked into/ explained.

All the hard work you're referring to is just flinging out two lame accusations. Perhaps someone should look into Peanuts. Well, have you?

Li'l Wally

This accusation is a little bit of a stretch, I admit. As happy as I am to see you back in the game, Li'l Wally, I have to wonder if our tactics aren't off in this and should we be looking at someone who is under the radar by seeming trustworthy. Nobody has suspected you thus far. Is that because you are playing the balance so well that you're avoiding suspicion? Perhaps while the Town try to appear Scummy, the Scum are sliding by seeming truly Townie with all the flailing Town attempting Scum-tells.

It's funny, if you asked me who seemed scummiest, your name would be on that list, along with PirateDave and Nightshroud. PirateDave is the least scummy to me right now.

If I'm right, we've only seen a couple tiny slip-ups. Here, you say that you think Dave is the least Scummy but then vote for him anyway.

If that's what you think, then put your money where your mouth is.

You've summed up the allegations nicely, so let's give Dave a Li'l push.

Vote: Li'l Pirate Dave

It's just to get him to talk, even though you had two other people who pinged your Scumdar more.

What I meant is ths town needs to discuss more, behind the scenes. We need to somehow pool the knowledge of all the individuals, and I doubt we have the time to wait for the masons to get the complete picture.

I think it's time for townies to make assumptions on whom they think are town for certain, and start working with those players. It might fail. Some town might be contacting scum. But at least we'd be trying to get ourselves organized. It's better than waiting for the scum to unite and pick us off one by one, while we lynch our own.

The more disturbing potential slip-up is this. Encouraging people to speak up more behind the scenes, even if they are contacting Scum. And I think you are being active behind the scenes and I do think you've been talking to quite a few people. That makes you very dangerous. Have you been on our side all this time Li'l Wally?

[Chromeknight]

It's day four already.

And still we haven't seen someone step up an lead town.

Why not? Have things gone so badly that there is no solid town core?

The masons ought to have been at work behind the scenes. The fact that we've not heard otherwise means (I think) they've been sucesssful in their recruiting. It'd be a (nearly) sure sign if they tried to recruit someone and it didn't work, that that person was scum.

Equally the lie-detector should have added another to that group, since, by the same logic, if they'd found a scum, surely we'd've heard about it.

At what point do we assume that the scum have found each other by now and just lay out everything on the table?

I have just about finished an analysis of who is talking to who in thread and who supports and votes for and against others.

But It's almost home time for me, I'm going to help my daddy press some wild flowers and I will post in about 6 hours my results.

If various factions want ot dissuade me from doing so out of fear of giving away too much, that's how long you've got.

[Hinckley]

Well, clearly I'm willing to die for the role . That actually goes without saying.

Why do you trust CallMePie more? Please, tell me. It intrigues me that you vaguely state that you trust him more without offering any reasoning, particularly because you said it was VERY IMPORTANT that it land on the right side. So, what's the reasoning?

I think many can say that you appeared solidly Town on Day One. I'm sure the Scum saw that too. That makes you prime candidate for a conversion.

[Chromeknight]

Li'l Hink posted as I was writing...

Li'l Chromie, fluffiest of fluffers:

mm fluffy!

You're just jealous of my smexy hair!

Anyway responding to the actual accusations.

I vote late because I can. I live in a whole 'nother timezone to you. So far none of the lynches have had hard evidence against them (failed masoning, watched/tracked/blocked, liedetectored etc). So it's always been a judgment call and I've waited to see if solid evidence would pop up late.

A vote late in the day, off of the bandwagon is a great way to appear Townie.

So you're saying that because I appear townie, I'm scummy? You can do better than that!

You attempt to mayor yourself despite not ever really being active. You are flying way under the radar. We have been lynching quieter players, but not the quietest players. You seem to have been pretty safe popping in occasionally to boing around and never really giving us anything substantial as far as suspicions go. You vote late and don't make any ripples, yet you wanted the position of Mayor.

I wanted to be mayor because frankly I'm feeling left out of this game. There's not a lot going on in my inbox, I'm not privy to any sources of information and, since I'm not scum, I don't have a bunch of poopyheads to talk to either.

The lack of substantivity (is that even a word..? substance. yeah) lack of substance is a result of minimal information to process.

As I indicated above, three days in and I now have a stab at something.

Got more?

[Nightshroud99]

Mayor: CallMePie

I feel Pie is a good candidate for mayor.

[Hinckley]

Got more?

Do you? You've done no talking behind the scenes?

[Zepher]

Mayor: CallMePie

I feel Pie is a good candidate for mayor.

Are you even trying to add anything to the conversation?

[XimenaPaulina]

You're looking remarkably well for Day 4 Li'l Ricky.

Thanks, so are you.

Interesting exchange. If I read between the lines there seems to be some subtle mategamey suspicions coming from both of you (actually it was Li'l Pandy who brought it up). Hmmm....

Since desperate times call for desperate measures, and considering we've all drastically failed in trying to lynch scum using the traditional behavioral analysis of the people, how about we attempt a more unconventional approach? Let's metagame, since this is EB mafia after all. Try to look at the experienced veteran gamers remaining - I see Li'l Hinck, Li'l Pandy and Li'l Rick. Has anyone wondered why the player of their caliber are still alive and kicking at this stage? I mean if I was one of the scum, I would've killed or converted them considering they would be great scum allies and signficant losses to the town. There are many possibilities, but I'm betting that at the very least one of them is most probably scum. Here's how I see them:

Li'l Hinck - hasn't been the Harriet the Slut type of Townie we've seen in the past games. His signature plays are nowhere to be seen, his activity isn't the same level as his usual townie leader we've known. Thought it may be just the unusual set-up of the game as he might just be a townie trying to act scummy to infiltrate the scum teams. Knowing his proven capabilities in games and how much of a loss he will be to the town (if he's indeed town), he is the perfect target for both the Killing scum team and the Converting scum team.

Li'l Rick - I've observed his posts are mostly of the interrogative type, always questioning people "why this? why that? how so? etc." coupled with analysis of game mechanics/night action results/etc. Despite that, he's been fairly active and he has been generally pinging as town to me (he has said some things that lead me to believe that he's town) .

Li'l Pandy - same mold of posting behavior as Li'l Rick, actually she's like the female version of Li'l Rick. Though unlike how I sense Li'l Ricky as town, Li'l Pandy strikes me as suspicious. It's more of a gut feel, as there is not much hard evidence to pin her down. Nevertheless, using "the-lesser-of-three-evils" process of elimination, Li'l Pandy gives the more scummy vibe to me compared to Li'l Hinck and Li'l Rick.

I know I may be treading on dangerous waters here, but this is just something for us to think about. Again desperate times call for desperate measures.

[Pandora]

Well, yeah, of course. I can keep mentioning all those other scenarios, but if a killer was blocked it could lead to identification of the scum killer or bring town PRs together (if the blocker accidentally blocked the vig).

Keep mentioning it? I must have missed where you mentioned it before. And if (as you did) accept that there might be a multitude of other reasons for only one kill, why zone in on the blocker?

Do you think the blocker (again assuming they aren't dead/converted) will read your post and think "Gosh darn it, Li'Rick's right! I might be sitting on the solution to this whole problem and not even have realised it! Gracious me, I should contact a trustworthy townie tout de suite and tell them all about it, maybe that nice Li'l Rick who was so sweet as to mention it in the first place!" or do you think that they might have already thought of that?

Your post is insubstantial and you are saying something for the sake of saying something. You know better than that and you insult yourself and us by making such a meaningless statement.

On the subject of Mayor... I'm perfectly fine with Zepher being Mayor, but I'm weary that whoever we elevate to that status is going to be dead by tonight.

Because I'm ever so much the stickler, the word you're looking for is wary. Weary means tired. Nice to see you stop by.

Interesting exchange. If I read between the lines there seems to be some subtle mategamey suspicions coming from both of you (actually it was Li'l Pandy who brought it up). Hmmm....

It's not subtle metagamey suspicions, it's blatant metagamey suspicions. There was no subtlety intended whatsoever. Exactly the same as these metagamey suspicions you now post:

Let's metagame, since this is EB mafia after all. Try to look at the experienced veteran gamers remaining - I see Li'l Hinck, Li'l Pandy and Li'l Rick. Has anyone wondered why the player of their caliber are still alive and kicking at this stage?

So you "Hmmm...." me (specifically me, as "na na na na na, Pandy said it first") for making an obvious statement about Rick still being all hale and hearty on day 4, and then you go on to make exactly the same point. Did you even read what you wrote there Kiel?

[Hinckley]

Li'l Hinck - hasn't been the Harriet the Slut type of Townie we've seen in the past games. His signature plays are nowhere to be seen, his activity isn't the same level as his usual townie leader we've known. Thought it may be just the unusual set-up of the game as he might just be a townie trying to act scummy to infiltrate the scum teams. Knowing his proven capabilities in games and how much of a loss he will be to the town (if he's indeed town), he is the perfect target for both the Killing scum team and the Converting scum team.

You say it yourself: Writing plays and bringing Night Actions results to the day thread is a great way to confirm the Scum teams to each other. Going with my normal tactics of revealing everything that happens behind the scenes would lose the game for us.

[Walter Kovacs]

Li'l Wally

This accusation is a little bit of a stretch, I admit. As happy as I am to see you back in the game, Li'l Wally, I have to wonder if our tactics aren't off in this and should we be looking at someone who is under the radar by seeming trustworthy. Nobody has suspected you thus far. Is that because you are playing the balance so well that you're avoiding suspicion? Perhaps while the Town try to appear Scummy, the Scum are sliding by seeming truly Townie with all the flailing Town attempting Scum-tells.

I can just hear it now. "Wally, why'd you have to seem so Townie?" That being said, I'm certain some of those that seem town are actually scum. It happens every game, and they are usually the last scum to be caught, if they are caught at all.

If I'm right, we've only seen a couple tiny slip-ups. Here, you say that you think Dave is the least Scummy but then vote for him anyway.

It's just to get him to talk, even though you had two other people who pinged your Scumdar more.

I'll be the first to admit that the vote for Dave was blatantly wrong. Chalk that one up to rust. Once I started talking to Dave in private, I realized there's very little chance he's scum, as he's trying to find every little slip up that everyone is making. And being very vocal about it. No scum would be that outspoken, in my opinion.

Also, I was wrong, as a lot of people were, about Pally.

The more disturbing potential slip-up is this. Encouraging people to speak up more behind the scenes, even if they are contacting Scum. And I think you are being active behind the scenes and I do think you've been talking to quite a few people. That makes you very dangerous. Have you been on our side all this time Li'l Wally?

It's a slip up to encourage people to talk? It's obvious we need to share information, and everyone seems is reluctant to share it openly in thread. Let's face it, this town's track record is less than stellar. It appears that the one scum that has been found was scum-killed.

The way this town was working together wasn't doing us any good. We are lynching town, and letting the scum get away with murder. Literally. If the tactics we were using aren't working, then it's probably time to try something a little different, wouldn't you say? That is all I was encouraging people to do. I mentioned that you might end up talking to scum so that I could get the other players to get over the fear of letting the wrong info slip. If you never let any information out, and you are unable to form any conclusions from it yourself, what good is it? I'd much rather die trying to save the town than die waiting quietly while the scum eradicate us.

This game setup is brutally difficult for the Town side. Not sharing information for fear of uniting the scum teams reduced townies to finding scum-tells and analyzing voting patterns. And so far that methodology has led us to three Townie lynches.

If you think this is scummy, well, that's your opinion. I can hold my head up high knowing that I tried my best to bring the town to victory, even if we do fail.

To answer your final question, Yes, I have been on the town's side this entire time. Whether you choose to believe it is up to you.

[def]

Mr. def is going to the teachers' room to play PS3 Burnout Paradise. If I'm not back in half an hour, you are free to vote, and unless anything changes, Li'l CallMePie is mayor. Get some protection tonight, Li'l Pie.

[def]

I'm here! Li'l Pie! You're the Mayor!

Voting has opened! You have 48 hours.

[Hinckley]

This game setup is brutally difficult for the Town

Agreed. This game is enough to make me puke.

Walter, you're very well spoken. So was the guy who rallied the Town in EB I. The Town trusted him -due to a framed investigation- and that was our demise. By the end he was talking like the Towniest Town. It's enough WIFOM to split one's brain. We've been lynching people because if Scum tells. Maybe we need to look at the ones who people are trusted. I don't know. I feel like we need a successful lunch and you're right, what we've been doing isn't working.

Chromeknight, I'm still waiting for an answer: you haven't talked to anyone by PM?

[Walter Kovacs]

As I indicated above, three days in and I now have a stab at something.

Chrome, while you are composing your answer for Hinck, I'd like to know what you meant by this? Do you have a lead you'd like to share? I think we'd all like to hear it if you did.

[Rick]

Let's look at some suspects:

I think we can all agree that li'l Chrome hasn't exactly been contributing a lot. If he isn't even talking in private to people, I wonder how he's trying to help the town. I guess the same can be said for li'l Wonderboy. In addition he made himself look suspicious by statements that could be read as him reaching out to another scum team at the start of today and yesterday.

But then again, you also have to wonder what people like li'l Endgame, li'l Nightshroud, or li'l Redblade are doing for this town. I'm left wondering why you're specifically singling these three out.

Walter's post at the end of day 1 struck me as a little over-the-top townie (along with some of li'l Kiel's posts on day 1). Then there's the request for sharing info, which Hinck already mentions, which could be seen as a scum trying to fish for info. But I also think they'd be a bit more careful than this and resort to contacting people privately. What struck me most about him was that after yesterday's vote (for the "least scummy" of three) and subsequent unvote of li'l Dave, he explained his unvote by saying he had been talking to li'l Dave in PM and trusted him based on that. It could be seen as painting a target on Dave's back. Scummy intentions? I don't know.

Keep mentioning it? I must have missed where you mentioned it before. And if (as you did) accept that there might be a multitude of other reasons for only one kill, why zone in on the blocker?

I didn't say I mentioned it before, I just remember others mentioning all the possibilities for the lack of a second kill on the first night. I "zoned in" on the blocker because (as I said earlier) that's the only scenario which actually yields information about a potential killer. Moreover, you're "zoning in" on one part of what I said and seem to ignore that the comment was made in relation to my question if we should assume li'l Cecilie was killed by the scum. The blocker's approach (if they're alive) towards their target should of course be different if we think there's a chance li'l Cecilie was killed by the vig.

[Peanuts]

Well, congratulations, Li'l Pie. May you live longer than your predecessors.

I've been talking to Li'l Piratedave and I think I won't follow up on my accusation of yesterday. Li'l Chromy on the other hand hasn't been helping our case at all, as some of you have pointed out. Basically, all I said about Li'l Piratedave yesterday applies to him, sometimes even more so, and unlike Li'l Piratedave he doesn't seem to be active behind the scenes either.

[Capt. Redblade]

That's something I haven't considered. 7 Scum would mean its endgame. We'd have to lynch a scum or else it's the end, and we are all dead. This is a big problem.

Okay, if they haven't, then It's not too bad.

But on the off chance they have, it's Endgame. With only 14 left, if their are 7 scum, how hard would it be for them to find each other? It's a 1in 2 chance.

I'm surprised nobody's brought this up yet, but Li'l TBW's word choice seems odd to me. He says Endgame twice and even capitalizes it in the middle of a sentence. I may be overreacting, but this seems like an inept attempt at a signal to me. Could TBW be trying to hint at the other team that he's scum and Li'l Endgame is his partner?

[TheBoyWonder]

endgame : It's a term that was used at the end of one of the previous mafia games where one side could of won.

And Endgame is the player. It's a name so you capitalize it. That's basic grammar.

Oh, after releasing that, yes it shouldn't have been capitalized. I have an overly responsive phone, where the E key is close to the shift key.

[Zepher]

Why are we grasping at straws like this? We're really talking about if TBW capitalizes stuff? What happened to vote analysis, or behavior analysis. This is wasting our time. And it seems like you're doing it intentionally.

It's interesting that you mention that Endgame was capitalized and mentioned twice. It's the same exact thing Hinckley just said to me in private, Redblade. Any reason you two are in contact? No one else noticed it, and it certainly didn't seem noticeable to me.

Why is no one else outraged at Nightshroud's pop up and do something unexplained attitude?

You know who kept the voting between Pally and Peanuts even yesterday? They are the ones who kept it so that Pally was always one vote ahead of Peanuts. In this order...: Redblade, Hinckley, CallMePie. I'm not liking those three.

Will anyone else please give some thoughts?

[Hinckley]

I'm surprised nobody's brought this up yet, but Li'l TBW's word choice seems odd to me. He says Endgame twice and even capitalizes it in the middle of a sentence. I may be overreacting, but this seems like an inept attempt at a signal to me. Could TBW be trying to hint at the other team that he's scum and Li'l Endgame is his partner?

I noticed it. That's why I asked if he meant the Beckett play? What, no Beckett fans here? Yes, the capitalization of Endgame is in his ststement is very odd.

Ststesments are cool...

[CMP]

Yay, I'm a target the mayor.

Chromeknight, you've got quite a bit to answer for, with these broken promises of suspicions and more activity and bandwagoning. Bring forward some of these suspects you keep mentioning. All I've seen from you is a lot of indecisiveness inactivity, not unlike Li'l Danny.