Eurobricks Mafia II: Mafia School: Day Four

[Pandora]

I have just about finished an analysis of who is talking to who in thread and who supports and votes for and against others.

But It's almost home time for me, I'm going to help my daddy press some wild flowers and I will post in about 6 hours my results.

Is 6 hours longer than normal where you live?

I didn't say I mentioned it before, I just remember others mentioning all the possibilities for the lack of a second kill on the first night. I "zoned in" on the blocker because (as I said earlier) that's the only scenario which actually yields information about a potential killer. Moreover, you're "zoning in" on one part of what I said and seem to ignore that the comment was made in relation to my question if we should assume li'l Cecilie was killed by the scum. The blocker's approach (if they're alive) towards their target should of course be different if we think there's a chance li'l Cecilie was killed by the vig.

You're right, it is the only scenario that yields a potential killer, but it is far from the only scenario that could have occurred, and thus it isn't as important as you're making it sound. Important, possibly, but really not necessarily. So it doesn't matter if we think Cecilie was killed by the scum or killed by the vig, or even killed by both (it has happened) because there are so many other things that might have happened even if we do assume she was killed by the scum. I feel for the blocker (assuming they're alive, not converted, blah blah) because you seem to be placing the weight of the world on their shoulders.

[Hinckley]

But then again, you also have to wonder what people like li'l Endgame, li'l Nightshroud, or li'l Redblade are doing for this town. I'm left wondering why you're specifically singling these three out.

Well, I'm not mentioning Walter for the same reasons, but The Boy Wonder is literally sending out smoke signals and I'd like to know what Chromeknight has to say about his private communication.

In this order...: Redblade, Hinckley, CallMePie. I'm not liking those three.

You don't like me? I like you. Anyway, shouldn't Peanuts be in your list since he's the one we're supposedly saving? My vote had nothing to do with when other people were voting. As I already stated, I voted for Palathadric because of his baseless accusations. After he said he was suspicious of Cecilie, but realized it was something Chromeknight actually said, he quoted a post from Cecilie and couldn't identify a quote from Chromeknight said that if Cecilie had said would've incriminated her. That's a fun sentence. Anyway, for a Townie, that was pretty Scummy behavior.

[Endgame]

Okay, to break some of the silence and to provide some food for thought: I've been in contact with Chromeknihgt. or, rather, he contacted me.

I see you looking at me...

That is because I didn't even see you sign-up! Lots of Heroica people this time around...

...And Dannylonglegs.

Meep. :cry:

To interject here, I'm a QM in the Heroica RPG - and Danny is one of my players. We have a running gag of me trying to be a sadist via enemy encounters, and then him making them moot through his strategy.

And, yes, I didn't see Chrome's sign-up: I saw his avatar before I looked at the friend, and looked at his profile from reflex.

I didn't know you'd done a mafia school. Which one was it, I want to look at your playing style and list your role tells.

Mafia School, Police Infiltration, Day One.

Interesting...

Since the game has finally begun, lets continue this discussion.

What has your analysis yeilded?

Little so far.

I've been (as is my style) reaching out to others.

There have been a lot of no-replies, but that's to be expected.

Revenge in a different forum or is someone trying to throw heat on you? Or is it a wifom gambit?

I know. I was winding you up. I know you and DLL have a friendly rivalry going in Heroica...

If you're asking if I'm trying to kill Danny in two separate game worlds , then no - I had no part in his death.

Fair enough.

So. is there any particular reason I should trust you, or that we ought work together?

That question is a double-edged sword - any reason why I should trust you? I'm curious why you were probing about my role.

That question is a double-edged sword - any reason why I should trust you? I'm curious why you were probing about my role.

Because I'm worthy of trust.

I was poking you to get a reaction so I'd have something to get a sense of if you are scum or not.

You seem to have taken it all in stride and not got defensive, which is a good sign.

As you probably notice in Police Infiltration, my jumpiness got my head stuck in a toilet. Luckily, I'm a bit more level-headed this time around, so I should be a much more long-lasting Townie.

Have you acquired any information that may be useful? I've kept myself relatively isolated thus far.

I have not got any infos either.

This whole setup has people jumpier than a cat in a bag.

Noone responds to a friendly hello PM even in thread there's a... sharpness.

I wonder if it has to do with using screen names as character names. it's all a bit personal.

I think BoyWonder is scummy, but whether that's just my prejudice I'm not sure.

Even if he's not, he doesn't come across as the most thoughtful player.

And that is where the convo ends.

I was getting pings throughout, but maybe that is just because I'm paranoid. I know probing isn't necessarily a capital offense, but I started getting iffy around the part where Li'l Chrome was checking if I was the vig and said he was trustworthy "because he was trustworthy." I didn't unveil my suspicions in the PM, and not here because I figured I was just being overly paranoid throughout the entire set-up, but... Now, I'm not quite sure.

[Capt. Redblade]

Why are we grasping at straws like this? We're really talking about if TBW capitalizes stuff? What happened to vote analysis, or behavior analysis. This is wasting our time. And it seems like you're doing it intentionally.

It's interesting that you mention that Endgame was capitalized and mentioned twice. It's the same exact thing Hinckley just said to me in private, Redblade. Any reason you two are in contact? No one else noticed it, and it certainly didn't seem noticeable to me.

What's to explain? It looked oddly out of place to me and so I thought I'd bring it up. If Hinck noticed it as well then it's obviously not just me.

And I haven't been talking to Hinckley, since you asked.

[Chromeknight]

I'll admit, this game hasn't grabbed me in the same way as previous games and I've let other stuff distract me. No excuse I know, and it'd be shame and reproach to me if town did not win because I didn't use what I've got properly.

Now, on with the show.

Do you? You've done no talking behind the scenes?

I have, as Endgame has helpfully posted, but admittedly, not much. As I said to EG, this game has been prickly, which is another reason I feel disconnected.

As for sharing who else and content, are you kidding? You haven't reached out to me quietly, not even a hello and neither have y

Chrome, while you are composing your answer for Hinck, I'd like to know what you meant by this? Do you have a lead you'd like to share? I think we'd all like to hear it if you did.

Well, congratulations, Li'l Pie. May you live longer than your predecessors.

I've been talking to Li'l Piratedave and I think I won't follow up on my accusation of yesterday. Li'l Chromy on the other hand hasn't been helping our case at all, as some of you have pointed out. Basically, all I said about Li'l Piratedave yesterday applies to him, sometimes even more so, and unlike Li'l Piratedave he doesn't seem to be active behind the scenes either.

Yay, I'm a target the mayor.

Chromeknight, you've got quite a bit to answer for, with these broken promises of suspicions and more activity and bandwagoning. Bring forward some of these suspects you keep mentioning. All I've seen from you is a lot of indecisiveness inactivity, not unlike Li'l Danny.

[Hinckley]

I'll admit, this game hasn't grabbed me in the same way as previous games and I've let other stuff distract me. No excuse I know, and it'd be shame and reproach to me if town did not win because I didn't use what I've got properly.

Now, on with the show.

I have, as Endgame has helpfully posted, but admittedly, not much. As I said to EG, this game has been prickly, which is another reason I feel disconnected.

As for sharing who else and content, are you kidding? You haven't reached out to me quietly, not even a hello and neither have y

Um, did you boing out of the room mid-sentence?

Are you saying that Endgame is the only other player you've talked to by PM?

[Chromeknight]

I'll admit, this game hasn't grabbed me in the same way as previous games and I've let other stuff distract me. No excuse I know, and it'd be shame and reproach to me if town did not win because I didn't use what I've got properly.

Now, on with the show.

Do you? You've done no talking behind the scenes?

I have, as Endgame has helpfully posted, but admittedly, not much. As I said to EG, this game has been prickly, which is another reason I feel disconnected.

As for sharing who else and content, are you kidding? You haven't reached out to me quietly, not even a hello and neither have you share your connections and infos. Fair play guv'.

Chrome, while you are composing your answer for Hinck, I'd like to know what you meant by this? Do you have a lead you'd like to share? I think we'd all like to hear it if you did.

Yup, some good old conversation analysis.

I've been talking to Li'l Piratedave and I think I won't follow up on my accusation of yesterday. Li'l Chromy on the other hand hasn't been helping our case at all, as some of you have pointed out. Basically, all I said about Li'l Piratedave yesterday applies to him, sometimes even more so, and unlike Li'l Piratedave he doesn't seem to be active behind the scenes either.

Chromeknight, you've got quite a bit to answer for, with these broken promises of suspicions and more activity and bandwagoning. Bring forward some of these suspects you keep mentioning. All I've seen from you is a lot of indecisiveness inactivity, not unlike Li'l Danny.

Oh gosh, I'm so bad for disappointing you! Bad me!

I especially love the claim of bandwagoning coming from you.

Alrighty, on to the meat.

I read over previous days and looked at who talked to whom (or at them).

I apologize for the lack of quotes to follow, I'm unexpectedly mobile, and don't have the analysis I wrote yesterday to hand. To summarize

LBW- frustratingly quiet. No apparent grouping. If scum, has been from start.

CMP- most often supports hink in thread, moves against quiet players, has some friends (let's call them team red)

End - quiet player, no obvious affiliations

Hink- not playing his usual game, but has been so from start, now has a group connected to him, team red

KDM- wildcard, has tended to draw fire from red, therefore blue.

Night- ignored lynch votes, indicates support by team, likely red

Pandy- helpful, succinct. Likely team blue

Nuts - went from being a lynch target to being trusted, team red

Dave- omfgused both times a vote was placed on him, team red

More later when home.

[Hinckley]

What group is connected to me?

[Piratedave84]

SNIP

Alrighty, on to the meat.

I read over previous days and looked at who talked to whom (or at them).

I apologize for the lack of quotes to follow, I'm unexpectedly mobile, and don't have the analysis I wrote yesterday to hand. To summarize

LBW- frustratingly quiet. No apparent grouping. If scum, has been from start.

CMP- most often supports hink in thread, moves against quiet players, has some friends (let's call them team red)

End - quiet player, no obvious affiliations

Hink- not playing his usual game, but has been so from start, now has a group connected to him, team red

KDM- wildcard, has tended to draw fire from red, therefore blue.

Night- ignored lynch votes, indicates support by team, likely red

Pandy- helpful, succinct. Likely team blue

Nuts - went from being a lynch target to being trusted, team red

Dave- omfgused both times a vote was placed on him, team red

More later when home.

Based on this and since you are not talking to anyone, or hardly anyone, you would be on team white? This analysis tells me that you left out your 'friends' out of the 'teams' which to me reads LBW (is that TheBoyWonder???), Endgame and you are one team; I'm even going to go as far as saying you 3 form the recruiting team.

I'm going to assume that in your mind red is scum (based on your previous comments) and blue is town. If blue in town and you are also town, why have you not contacted any of them!?

What group is connected to me?

We're team red; FTW!!

[Chromeknight]

Based on this and since you are not talking to anyone, or hardly anyone, you would be on team white? This analysis tells me that you left out your 'friends' out of the 'teams' which to me reads LBW (is that TheBoyWonder???), Endgame and you are one team; I'm even going to go as far as saying you 3 form the recruiting team.

I'm going to assume that in your mind red is scum (based on your previous comments) and blue is town. If blue in town and you are also town, why have you not contacted any of them!?

We're team red; FTW!!

Team red, team elephant, A-team, super friends,... It's a label. I carefully did not say which I thought scum and which I thought other scum and which I thought masons.

It's all based on my observations and could be wrong anyway.

Why have I not jumped into bed with anyone? I'm not sure which grouping is scum. I'm not on any team, but I got a good laugh out of you suggesting I'm a recruiter with LBW and Game.

Really. I laughed out loud. At church on Easter Sunday.

LBW is marked unaligned because I have no trucking clue what he thinks. A self confessed sheepy lurker. I couldn't pin him down.

As for Endgame being on my team, you think he's pulked out our PMs as some kind of bussing play? In this kind of game?

[CMP]

Team red, team elephant, A-team, super friends,... It's a label. I carefully did not say which I thought scum and which I thought other scum and which I thought masons.

It's all based on my observations and could be wrong anyway.

Genius, you can't be proven right or wrong. You've perfected the art of throwing out suspicions and yet still looking as indecisive as possible.

You're looking at things from a very scummy perspective. You seem more concerned with who's on who's team rather than who's scummy and who's not.

[Hinckley]

Really. I laughed out loud. At church on Easter Sunday.

It's not Easter Sunday yet. Vote: Li'l Chromeknight (Chromeknight)

Besides lying about it being Easter and you being in Church, your list is dividing people by unassigned category. You and your beacon boy boing buddy Boy Wonder have worn out your welcome, I think.

[Chromeknight]

Just to clarify, your vote is based on the fact I said Sunday instead of Friday?

[Nightshroud99]

Vote: Li'l Chromeknight (Chromeknight)

Bloody team red huh, a lot of people seem scum to you. With this pessimistic view of things how do you suppose we townies are going to win?

KDM- wildcard, has tended to draw fire from red, therefore blue.

What does that EVEN MEAN?

I'll admit, this game hasn't grabbed me in the same way as previous games and I've let other stuff distract me. No excuse I know, and it'd be shame and reproach to me if town did not win because I didn't use what I've got properly.

Oh gosh, I'm so bad for disappointing you! Bad me!

I especially love the claim of bandwagoning coming from you.

Alrighty, on to the meat.

I read over previous days and looked at who talked to whom (or at them).

I apologize for the lack of quotes to follow, I'm unexpectedly mobile, and don't have the analysis I wrote yesterday to hand. To summarize

LBW- frustratingly quiet. No apparent grouping. If scum, has been from start.

CMP- most often supports hink in thread, moves against quiet players, has some friends (let's call them team red)

End - quiet player, no obvious affiliations

Hink- not playing his usual game, but has been so from start, now has a group connected to him, team red

KDM- wildcard, has tended to draw fire from red, therefore blue.

Night- ignored lynch votes, indicates support by team, likely red

Pandy- helpful, succinct. Likely team blue

Nuts - went from being a lynch target to being trusted, team red

Dave- omfgused both times a vote was placed on him, team red

More later when home.

You have pinged my Scooby Doo-dar™ for quite awhile, but this whole ramble is very dumb. Also, where is Zepher, Capt Redblade, Rick, and Walter? Or are you only assessing people you think are "scum" and decided not to include your team mates?

[Piratedave84]

Just to clarify, your vote is based on the fact I said Sunday instead of Friday?

Confused much??

As far as my vote goes, it is solely based on your failure to address the exact nature of why/how you decided to split the 'teams' and willingly omitted your probable team from the list vote: lil'Chromeknight (Chromeknight)

[Chromeknight]

Genius, you can't be proven right or wrong. You've perfected the art of throwing out suspicions and yet still looking as indecisive as possible.

You're looking at things from a very scummy perspective. You seem more concerned with who's on who's team rather than who's scummy and who's not.

I can't be proved wrong?

No one has disputed what I've said.

People are content to play the man and not the ball. Ad hominem is not a good look.

[Zepher]

Vote: Lil' Nightshroud (Nightshroud99)

I'll offer as little explanation for any of my actions as he does.

I think that the scum is about to over-power a very inattentive and inactive town. Don't go with the bandwagon today. I don't think Chrome's lists are bull. I think that a scum wouldn't put that much thought in. And I think they match up with my analysis pretty well too, so he seems town to me. Townies, look back at some previous days, actually think, please. The scum are very quietly strong-arming us.

[CMP]

I can't be proved wrong?

No one has disputed what I've said.

People are content to play the man and not the ball. Ad hominem is not a good look.

I'm talking about your suspicions. I'm saying that if any of the people you call out die and turn up whatever faction, it won't have any effect on your suspicions because your suspicions are drawn out in red and blue instead of scum and town. Who are you trying to find, Li'l Chromeknight? You're not trying to find scum, obviously, or you'd have more conviction in your suspicions. Maybe you're just looking for the masons, or the other scum. (In relation to my implication that you're one of of the scum teams.) People working with other people doesn't help us there at all. Vote: Li'l Chromknight.

Zepher, if your analysis matches up with Li'l Chromknight's, can you draw us all up a friggin' legend or something so we know who he thinks is and isn't scum?

[Chromeknight]

Confused much??

As far as my vote goes, it is solely based on your failure to address the exact nature of why/how you decided to split the 'teams' and willingly omitted your probable team from the list vote: lil'Chromeknight (Chromeknight)

Yeah. Confused. I am so glad you voted for me to help clear my head.

Once more for the dummies.

The teams are not labeled scum / town because I don't know for certain.

I am not listed on either team because haven't consistently supported one group of people and attacked another.

The groupings are observations from the day threads. If you think I'm wrong, by all means point out specific issues with my breakdown. Or propose counter theories.... Or do something townish, go on.

[Hinckley]

Just to clarify, your vote is based on the fact I said Sunday instead of Friday?

It's based on the fact that your analysis is a load of Scum-tell. You purposely didn't say which group you thought was Scum and which group was other Scum and which group was Masons? If you want to analyze the votes, tell us your conclusions about who is Scum.

Here are some other reasons if you like:

Day One

That leads to the interesting question of why your pm doesn't say that Cecilie?

You try to incriminate Cecilie for saying something several hours before Zepher clarified his mis-interpretation of a certain sentence about something we're not allowed to talk about.

Day Two:

I have had an unhelpful home life. Sorry classmates.

Now, coming back and reading everything, It seems the Scouty bandwagon has plenty of steam.

In the absence of new information,

vote:li'l Scouty

Hooray for bandwagons! The best reason to vote. More steam! More steam!

You know, all this is true. But we're not dumb players, we can all count past five (even Peanuts) we can even see the possibilities outlined by Pandy that Danny wasn't originally scum, but both recruited and killed in the same night.

Given this, I'm not quite sure how helpful your analysis is. Are you simply trying to look helpful without actually contributing? Speculating on scum numbers is such a dead end of a conversation it ends up as a ping.

This was an unfortunate statement for you to make before you made your fluff posts and analysis that looks like contributing without actually contributing. I must've missed where we're all drowning in helpful analysis provided by you.

Day Three

Here are two of your whopping three posts from that day. Judging by your Day Two accusation of Dave, these posts should be teeming with helpful analysis. But they are not:

It is a shame to see Scouty go, I will miss his cooking.

Now we need a new mayor?

Day one was full of how voting for someone without them asking for it was rude. I remember Li'l Hink specifically making that point.

Now he drops it on Cec without her stepping forward. Odd.

And Li'l Redblade is still doing his parrot impression.

Sod the lot of you.

Mayor:Li'l Chromeknight

Sod us all, you should be mayor.

By my count, Li'l pala is well done for.

I can't see much new information changing that in the last couple of hours.

Still, Li'l piratedave pings harder for me. Though I have nothing more substantial than his reflexive OMFGUS ( which I did see him retroactively attempt to justify).

So, in the interest of looking forward to tomorrow's vote, vote: Li'l piratedave

And again, here you are at the end of the day, safely out of a bad position on the bandwagon and stuck on PirateDave again. He's Day Four's lynch, according to you. Vote for yourself for mayor, disappear, and then come in and vote pretty much last for someone and not be on the bandwagon.

Day Four

And still we haven't seen someone step up an lead town.

Why not? Have things gone so badly that there is no solid town core?

The masons ought to have been at work behind the scenes. The fact that we've not heard otherwise means (I think) they've been sucesssful in their recruiting. It'd be a (nearly) sure sign if they tried to recruit someone and it didn't work, that that person was scum.

Leading Town in what way? Even writing plays or using aliases still confirms people's Actions. Confirming what people are doing only confirms it for Scum. Yes, we saw Big Cam come out and claim his watcher results and that cinched it for the Scum in EB I. But, let's say I wrote a play and used an alias and then revealed the alias to get the lynch. Revealing someone else's results does the same thing Big Cam did, it just adds a middle man. Town leader in the traditional sense doesn't work in this setup. I've said it every day.

At what point do we assume that the scum have found each other by now and just lay out everything on the table?

Why would we assume that on Day Four??? Yes, it's possible, but if it hasn't happened, making the assumption and "laying everything out on the table" would certainly help it happen. And what's "everything?" Do you want the Town PRs and Masons to just reveal themselves? Maybe we can just ask both Scum teams too. It'll be like an open hand of poker.

And it's Day Four and you were all geared up to vote for Dave. Where's that vote?

[Hinckley]

Vote: Lil' Nightshroud (Nightshroud99)

I'll offer as little explanation for any of my actions as he does.

I think that the scum is about to over-power a very inattentive and inactive town. Don't go with the bandwagon today. I don't think Chrome's lists are bull. I think that a scum wouldn't put that much thought in. And I think they match up with my analysis pretty well too, so he seems town to me. Townies, look back at some previous days, actually think, please. The scum are very quietly strong-arming us.

So Scum don't think and you agree with an analysis that has no conclusions?

[Zepher]

The groupings are obvious to me too. I think you see them too, but you don't like that we've figured it out. It's the same exact group voting today as yesterday. You all bully any opposition into submission (not in a mean way, you just quiet it with numbers, you're all being very polite, I'm sure Mr. def is super proud of us Earthlings ).

I really wish other Earthlings would say something. I think both you and I know agree that most everyone, whatever their side, is saying next to nothing.

But yes, my vote for Nightshroud stands. Why are you defending him? He has offered LESS explanation for ANY of his actions that Chromenight has. Why not go after Nightshroud? Is he one of your buddies?

[Piratedave84]

Vote: Lil' Nightshroud (Nightshroud99)

I'll offer as little explanation for any of my actions as he does.

I think that the scum is about to over-power a very inattentive and inactive town. Don't go with the bandwagon today. I don't think Chrome's lists are bull. I think that a scum wouldn't put that much thought in. And I think they match up with my analysis pretty well too, so he seems town to me. Townies, look back at some previous days, actually think, please. The scum are very quietly strong-arming us.

What's about to happen here is that tour little friend scummy-McScum Chromeknight is about to be lynched and you are trying to defend him!

What makes you think Chrome would not hve put any thought in saving his megablocks?? I could pull a list and say you are scum, as is Chrome, what does that tell us?

Let's face it, even I have been more active than chrome, why not lynch him? Has he confessed something to you that you would like to shate which would steer the lynch away from him??

Addendum: tour = your

Shate = share

Sorry

[Hinckley]

The groupings are obvious to me too. I think you see them too, but you don't like that we've figured it out. It's the same exact group voting today as yesterday. You all bully any opposition into submission (not in a mean way, you just quiet it with numbers, you're all being very polite, I'm sure Mr. def is super proud of us Earthlings ).

I really wish other Earthlings would say something. I think both you and I know agree that most everyone, whatever their side, is saying next to nothing.

But yes, my vote for Nightshroud stands. Why are you defending him? He has offered LESS explanation for ANY of his actions that Chromenight has. Why not go after Nightshroud? Is he one of your buddies?

I'm not defending Nightshroud. I have been very clear about my reasons for voting for Chromeknight.

I don't agree with the groupings. I don't think there's anything to figure out because his analysis in nonsense. What exactly is it telling you?

[Piratedave84]

The groupings are obvious to me too. I think you see them too, but you don't like that we've figured it out. It's the same exact group voting today as yesterday. You all bully any opposition into submission (not in a mean way, you just quiet it with numbers, you're all being very polite, I'm sure Mr. def is super proud of us Earthlings ).

I really wish other Earthlings would say something. I think both you and I know agree that most everyone, whatever their side, is saying next to nothing.

But yes, my vote for Nightshroud stands. Why are you defending him? He has offered LESS explanation for ANY of his actions that Chromenight has. Why not go after Nightshroud? Is he one of your buddies?

Cross post;

We, meaning you an your scum buddies?

Don't try to deflect attention from your scum friend. I don't think any of us actually defended Shroud but your trying to deflect attention from Chrome to him is looking very suspicious.

You had a very clear town read on day 1 but since then things have deteriorated for you; do not for one second think that your change of attitude was not noticed by everyone!!!

Keep defending your friend; it will make our life easier tomorrow when we are looking for someone to scrutinize!