LegoDad Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 If Andrew comes up scum and a fake investigator, then I fell for it hook, line, and sinker. My question to it the whole time was that if he was a fake investigator, why didn't the real one stand up? I knew about him day 2, so unless our Vig and Investigator were both killed Night 1, and the scum KNEW that those roles had been vanquished, they would never be ballsy enough to act as a fake investigator, because they'd be dead immediately when the real one stood up. I don't think Bud or Newton were Investigators, even though Bud went off on saying how he was a "leader". I pm'd him about it because I wanted to be sure that a power role wasn't being expelled for being dumb. He said he was nothing. I voted for Andrew Day 2 and Ricky came to his defense as we all remember. Ricky pm'd me claiming he knew that Andrew was the investigator because Andrew had gotten in touch with him after investigating him Night 1. To summarize, I would be surprised if Andrew is not town.
jimmynick Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 Can't a person have a change of heart? I don't know if you noticed but I was a part of the lynch of Shawna yesterday. I highly doubte these two are town. They clame to be the investigator but how far have they helped this town so far? Yes, you can, but you didn't explain why you went from focusing on Andrew and Claire to focusing on four different people, then back to Andrew and Claire (well, I suppose now you have). These people are highly suspicious Bob, Chuckie, Burton (which is pretty similar to Claire's list of suspicious people), and Allison. The last time I voted for Allison, the following events happened: 1. Allison unvoted Andrew and voted for me. 2. And I was targeted by Shawna the scum's killer that very night. Really? What I said then stands for itself. The rules say that everyone has to vote every day. At that point, I started leaning towards Andrew as town and I thought you were the next scummiest thing. Voting for John would have been a bad thing; my vote would have sealed his lynch and I was completely confused as to why that bandwagon came about. That the scum killer targeted you that night was completely by coincidence! Don't worry; I explained in post #29 why I think you're town. I won't vote for you again.
LegoDad Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 Gone through all the talk from the previous days. Vote : Burton Guster (Jedi Master Brick)
Jedi master Brick Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 Gone through all the talk from the previous days. Vote : Burton Guster (Jedi Master Brick) Can you please explain why you have voted for me so I can attempt to defend myself.
Clanure Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 What you are just now saying is all sorts of wrong. The investigator never ever has to interpret the investigation restult as the results are dead clear. You are told if someone is town or someone is scum. You know where my loyalties lie because you are scum and you know who is town. It is easy for a member of team scum to claim investigator. They know who is a good guy and who isn't. I'd dare say you are not, and never were an investigator. So, seeing as how you've got a rebuttal for everything I've offered, you are basically telling me that there really isn't any information I can give you to convince you? You asked for it, I've given it as best I can. Your unwillingness to stop and think is going to let Black Mesa win. Perhaps that's what you are after? The investigator never ever has to interpret the investigation restult as the results are dead clear. How do you know? What information do you have that the rest of us don't? I can tell you unequivocally, that after night 3, there is a lot left to interpretation. I'm starting to think there is something to this whole 'godfather' role
LegoDad Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 Can you please explain why you have voted for me so I can attempt to defend myself. I did somewhat explain, I went through Days 1-6 and felt that you were someone that hasn't participated much to the common good of the town. I have a few that I've named that fit this description, I chose to vote for you. Maybe you can defend yourself in a way that makes me change my vote, I'm always open to that, as I've shown in past days. Maybe someone else can vouch for you, heck, I don't know. I'm putting out a vote to see what sticks.
Jedi master Brick Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 I did somewhat explain, I went through Days 1-6 and felt that you were someone that hasn't participated much to the common good of the town. I have a few that I've named that fit this description, I chose to vote for you. Maybe you can defend yourself in a way that makes me change my vote, I'm always open to that, as I've shown in past days. Maybe someone else can vouch for you, heck, I don't know. I'm putting out a vote to see what sticks. I think the same could be said about you. The only thing you have contributed is an investigation result that turned out to be wrong. I have tried to pressure people who I believe have been behaving scummy. I have given my reasoning for several things and all my actions have been justified and reasonable. Meanwhile you misled (deliberately?) the town on the basis of an investigation. I am still not sure if you were in on the plan, misled by Andrew or it was the actions of a framer.
Hammerstein NWC Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 I have an out of school emergency that needs sorting so I'm going to cast my vote and then leave for the day! I don't want to bandwagon, I don't see why quiet people are being victimised. Either they are quiet and seemingly guilty or have started speaking and are therefore changing their role and must be guilty. My suspicions have been on Andrew since the botched investigation, He's got Claire hoodwinked but I'm not buying it anymore. When psykater did his survey everyone was suspicious of him and yet now nights later and still nothing useful, yet he is beyond reproach. Your spiel might work on Claire butI can't honestly vote for anyone else as basically nobody has really offered me a good reason why anyone but you should get the boot! Vote Andrew Clark (Clanure)
Mencot Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 This day is soon coming to an end, nothing really good to go on has come up. Before I vote I will ask, my other fellow Goth, whats up dude, why are you so quiet.. I know that you have said the other days that you don´t have much to say but come with something, now is your chance? And one other thing why didn´t you never answer my PM on the first day, I only asked whatz up? You have something to hide?
mostlytechnic Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 Things are too quiet, and the main thing I have to go on is that Andrew was wrong about accusing Simone. I still don't trust his excuses on that, so I'm going with Vote: Andrew Clark (Clanure)
-obelix- Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 True, and will say it again, I keep quiet because I have nothing meaningful to add, aside from suspicions. I have no actions aside from voting and thus, no results to share. Saying "I think" someone is scummy without proof can bring nothing good. But I will say this (and it is the only thing I could conclude from behavior in the previous days), there was something very fishy going on in the so called "town group" in the last few days, and so I was wandering how and why did Tamamono have go!? I still think Claire is town (with all the evidence to the contrary) and was misinformed, deliberately or not, by the investigator. Honestly Davey, I didn't answer you because I thought you were scum trying to go buddy-buddy to get something out of me. Today, my vote goes to the person responsible for the expulsion of a student I was sure (as I could be at that time) is town. Vote: Andrew Clark (Clanure)
Jedi master Brick Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 Vote: Andrew Clark (Clanure) Andrew is already responsible for the expulsion for a student. Since then he has been conveniently blocked so he does not have to fabricate any more results. He has not contributed any other meaningful things so he deserves my vote
mostlytechnic Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 ^this What exactly do you mean? You voted for Chuckie because he is quiet and doesn't contribute? Or referring to something else? I was considering voting chuckie today as well.... if you've got a good reason to convince me...
Purpearljellyblob Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 I don't think Andrew is a good lynch today. There is still the possibility that he might be the real investigator and that Simone has been framed. The scum would want a bandwagon to start on Andrew and we should avoid that. Vote: Chuckie Miller (-obelix-)
Darkdragon Posted April 3, 2013 Author Posted April 3, 2013 Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) - 1 vote (jamesn) Andrew Clark (clanure) - 5 vote (badboytje88,Hammerstein NWC, mostlytechnic, -obelix-, Jedi master Brick) Burton Guster (Jedi Master Brick) - 1 vote (LegoDad) Chuckie Miller (-obelix-) - 2 votes (PsyKater, Purpearljellyblob) There are 6 hours left in the day.
Mencot Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 Thanks Chuckie for your answer I don´t still trust Claire nor Andrew but I trust Claire is town. Andrew I don´t know, but I don´t think he is a good lynch and seriously as I said before about: the scum will start or follow quickly with a bandwagon today and it seems it will be aimed on Andrew. So I won´t go that way but some of whom are voting for Andrew are scum. Who I don´t know but the ones voting are: Burton Guster (Jedi Master Brick) Chuckie Miller (-obelix-) Mary Jane (mostlytechinc) Bob Busch (Hammerstein NWC) Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) I will vote: Vote : Burton Guster (Jedi Master Brick) If somebody can change my mind I will go in a diffrent direction but not vote on Andrew because it seems the scum are after him now. So all who are really town should NOT vote for Andrew today
Purpearljellyblob Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 So all who are really town should NOT vote for Andrew today Couldn't agree more. The Black Mesa gang wants to get rid of the town investigator, which will bring them closer to victory.
Mencot Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 About Jeanie and the she seems to hide something (see the posts about her above) and talking in PM with loyal townies I will change my vote: Unvote : Burton Guster (Jedi Master Brick) Vote: Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) Hopefuly this will go right today and we get another scum
mostlytechnic Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 Thanks Chuckie for your answer I don´t still trust Claire nor Andrew but I trust Claire is town. Andrew I don´t know, but I don´t think he is a good lynch and seriously as I said before about: the scum will start or follow quickly with a bandwagon today and it seems it will be aimed on Andrew. So I won´t go that way but some of whom are voting for Andrew are scum. Who I don´t know but the ones voting are: Burton Guster (Jedi Master Brick) Chuckie Miller (-obelix-) Mary Jane (mostlytechinc) Bob Busch (Hammerstein NWC) Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) So all who are really town should NOT vote for Andrew today Wow, so now anyone who doesn't vote the way you want is scum? By the same logic you use, I could say that Andrew is scummy and since you're defending him, you must be too. In the interest of "proving myself" to you however, I'll do this: Unvote: Andrew Clark (Clanure) Vote: Chuckie Miller (-obelix-) I still want to see Andrew expelled, but it doesn't have to be today. I'm starting to come around on Claire - I don't necessarily trust her, but I think there's a decent chance she's town and was just used to spread bad info. Chuckie I think is flying under the radar on purpose. He was the one that put the vote against Bud on day 1 over 50%, he voted against Ricky on day 2, joined with everyone against Simone on day 3, voted against John day 4, and didn't vote against Shawna until her fate was already sealed with enough votes. That's 100% bad voting as far as I'm concerned. Not a guarantee of scum (since we've had SO little info to go on) but better than nothing at this point.
Mencot Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 You didn´t understand all I said, those names that I put there were the ones who voted for Andrew, not all are scum but somebody there is and we need to look into those persons more carefuly. And I still have some suspicion about Andrew but lets not vote for him today.
Clanure Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 I appreciate the vote of confidence from some of you. I've tried the best I know to give what explanations I can. Did I screw up one night? Yep, sure did. Have I been blocked the last 2 nights? Yep, sure have. Is there any amount of explanation I can give to those that don't want to believe it? Nope, afraid not. So, I'm not even going to try any more. I'm moving forward with what I can. I'm crippled now, but so is the whole town. If we get lucky enough to lynch another mesa, and get even luckier to have them be the blocker, I'll hopefully be vindicated. For now, all I've got to go on is my gut. There are 2 people who continually go after me (regardless of explanation). Those 2 are Mary Jane and Jeanie. I investigated Jeanie and she came back as loyal student, but because I know not to trust the results 100% I'm starting to wonder if she isn't a godfather of sorts. Mary Jane has gone after me more than once, but has backed off for today. That said though, I still think it's one of the quieter ones gunning for me. Vote: Bob Busch (Hammerstein NWC)
Esurient Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 I have been observing and these are my views. Claire started talking after Cameron (Town) was expelled and Claire said she was relieved that she wasn't made use of. Does that mean she is scum? Not possibly. I think it's just a bad case of Town talking to Town. So why is Claire feeling that she might be made use of? Is someone talking to her and telling other things to her? Maybe. If I put Andrew into this situation, Andrew might be a possible scum. Clearing Ricky as Town and keeping him till the end would be beneficial to the scum, you all know why. Clearing Jeanie as Town would also be beneficial because she does not seem to align with anyone and doesn't talk much. But does that mean Andrew is a definite scum? Maybe/No. It might also be a case of telling the results to the wrong people. If I put Adriano into this picture, it will make a little bit more sense. Adriano's behaviour changed after Cameron was expelled. he claims he was away from his laptop so he cannot fully analyse the results. Could his "laptop" be Cameron? Is he influencing Cameron behind the scenes, so Cameron can influence Claire and Andrew? Possibly. Does that explain why Cameron was expelled? Possibly. Cameron was outspoken all these while and has major influence over the lynches. Cameron could have figured out Adriano has been trying to pull the strings behind the scenes and threatened to expose Adriano. So perhaps that explains why he was surprisingly expelled. I know everyone trusts Adriano now and what he has done trying to help us find scum. But if you think about it, he has control over the survey results, he knows how to manipulate the results, put several colours and group us into several groups so that we will make the decision accordingly? Is that all part of his plan? Because maybe he is scum and he knows how to manipulate the votes accordingly to favour the scum? These are my thoughts and trying to think out of the box. Vote: Adriano Parbritzzi (PsyKater)
Purpearljellyblob Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 So all who are really town should NOT vote for Andrew today Seeing how Davy has said this, I won't be surprised if there is another bandwagon on another person today (since the scum has failed a bandwagon on Andrew), like what happened to John at the last minute. Today's voting patterns will certainly be interesting to analyze.
LegoDad Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Wow, so now anyone who doesn't vote the way you want is scum? By the same logic you use, I could say that Andrew is scummy and since you're defending him, you must be too. In the interest of "proving myself" to you however, I'll do this: Unvote: Andrew Clark (Clanure) Vote: Chuckie Miller (-obelix-) I still want to see Andrew expelled, but it doesn't have to be today. I'm starting to come around on Claire - I don't necessarily trust her, but I think there's a decent chance she's town and was just used to spread bad info. Chuckie I think is flying under the radar on purpose. He was the one that put the vote against Bud on day 1 over 50%, he voted against Ricky on day 2, joined with everyone against Simone on day 3, voted against John day 4, and didn't vote against Shawna until her fate was already sealed with enough votes. That's 100% bad voting as far as I'm concerned. Not a guarantee of scum (since we've had SO little info to go on) but better than nothing at this point. That was a nice synopsis of screwy behavior. Unvote: Burton Guster (Jedi Master Brick) Vote: Chuckie Miller (-obelisk-)
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