Debricker Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 I looked at the internet and found this shocking news http://www.independe...go-8555610.html Jabba's place is ceasing production in 2014
CMP Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 That's around the time it would normally be discontinued anyway, I think.
jimmynick Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 "Ending production in 2014" is hardly "withdrawing the set because it's racist". This story doesn't bother me. If I want to get the set, I still have a good year and a half in which to do so.
Clanure Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Seems to me Lego has once again proved thier geniusness. Go ahead and tell those complaining that they've won and that the product will be removed in 2014. You know, right when it was going to be removed anyway... Flawless victory to Lego for that one. I approve!
Fuppylodders Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Awww.... yeah... of course! And I fell for it :(
Mencot Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Altough this would be a joke, "Ending production in 2014" like others said that would be the year it would end either way.
The Joker1 Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 I can confirm this is NOT an april fools joke, However it would be stopping production anyway so????? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21993582 Second story down. P.S- My first year with EB today. (Yes i joined on april fools day)
def Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 If this was a prank, it would have to be a particularly 'edgy' publication doing it. I don't know the Independent, but it comes across as right-leaning. Right-wingers in the West can be easy to enrage with Muslim topics, and a story like this would be like a moth to a flame. So, it could be a prank, but it would have to be a really poorly thought-out one, with a lot of repercussions. I wonder what will happen when the sail barge is released?
Orange Leader Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 A tip for TLG to avoid circumstances like that of the Jabba's Palace set: any resemblance is purely coincidental.
dont stop making Jabbas Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) Hi my apologies for posting in the wrong place. I just want to let as many people as possible know about the protest group LEGOdontstopmakingJabbasPalace@groups.facebook.com so we can get our voices heard. The groups first objective is to get as many members as possible so Lego can see we are serious. Altough this would be a joke, "Ending production in 2014" like others said that would be the year it would end either way. My concern with this "would have been stopping anyway" appearing is why Lego did not say it in the first place. January - Muslims protest against toy and Lego say they will continue with it regardless April - Stories appear linking stopping of production to protest. Now if in January Lego had said the production run is until 2014 and we wont stop then there would be no story - instead we have we wont stop followed by we are going to stop followed by we were going to stop then anyway and that does not look good. Edited April 1, 2013 by dont stop making Jabbas
Scop Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 What´s it now ? Ending production in 2014 or - as I have read in the german Newspapers- production ending in 2013 ?
Leo604 Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Now if in January Lego had said the production run is until 2014 and we wont stop then there would be no story - instead we have we wont stop followed by we are going to stop followed by we were going to stop then anyway and that does not look good. I don't suppose you've taken other factors into consideration such as production costs and maybe preparations for a new wave of sets based on Episode VII, or the fact (I'm personally neutral on this matter) that the Muslim community is actually offended by the set?
dont stop making Jabbas Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 I don't suppose you've taken other factors into consideration such as production costs and maybe preparations for a new wave of sets based on Episode VII, or the fact (I'm personally neutral on this matter) that the Muslim community is actually offended by the set? I have considered those factors but remain worried that the single factor of the Muslim community being offended is carrying too much weight. I am not saying they have not been offended however I do not consider that such a factor should be considered in the manufacture of this particular set. If the set was supposed to be something Islamic or Muslim or Geographic then OK their offence would be relevant but it is a set based on a fictional scenario on a fictional planet with fictional aliens. I mean there are things in Islam that offend me as they are different from the code I was raised with however I accept that I have no rights to criticize or change those things that occur in countries not my own. If the Muslim offence was that bad then I could see an argument for the sets being withdrawn from sale in Muslim countries but to stop production totally? Following on from that if the production is stopped because of Muslim offence then what next? Jabba the character appears in other places - are they to be withdrawn? The fictional worlds of Starwars present Jedi as the correct belief system so should the whole francise either be stopped or changed to have everyone good following Islam?
Fuppylodders Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 I have considered those factors but remain worried that the single factor of the Muslim community being offended is carrying too much weight. I am not saying they have not been offended however I do not consider that such a factor should be considered in the manufacture of this particular set. If the set was supposed to be something Islamic or Muslim or Geographic then OK their offence would be relevant but it is a set based on a fictional scenario on a fictional planet with fictional aliens. I mean there are things in Islam that offend me as they are different from the code I was raised with however I accept that I have no rights to criticize or change those things that occur in countries not my own. If the Muslim offence was that bad then I could see an argument for the sets being withdrawn from sale in Muslim countries but to stop production totally? Following on from that if the production is stopped because of Muslim offence then what next? Jabba the character appears in other places - are they to be withdrawn? The fictional worlds of Starwars present Jedi as the correct belief system so should the whole francise either be stopped or changed to have everyone good following Islam? Totally. Although I think TLG have played it very well, coincidentally saying it is stopping to appease the Muslims while making it stop when it was going to stop anyways, I do still feel an ounce of bitter feeling that they rolled over to show a sign of backing down of sorts when there is NO justification whatsoever for it... Again, I seriously do hope this is some joke...
Leo604 Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 I mean there are things in Islam that offend me as they are different from the code I was raised with however I accept that I have no rights to criticize or change those things that occur in countries not my own. If the Muslim offence was that bad then I could see an argument for the sets being withdrawn from sale in Muslim countries but to stop production totally? That's the point though; Lego is so universally known around the world that just banning the sets in Turkey wouldn't satisfy those being critical. The set would continue to be distributed elsewhere so in the eyes of the Muslim community the problem wouldn't have really gone away (again, I'm speaking from a hypothetical and neutral perspective). My concern with this "would have been stopping anyway" appearing is why Lego did not say it in the first place. I'm sure they were speaking in the short-term, since after a few years or so Jabba's Palace would be discontinued like any other set. According to an article I read (http://rt.com/news/jabba-lego-anti-islamic-138/), the protesters wanted production to cease this year/almost immediately. January - Muslims protest against toy and Lego say they will continue with it regardlessApril - Stories appear linking stopping of production to protest. See article I linked to.
dont stop making Jabbas Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Totally. Although I think TLG have played it very well, coincidentally saying it is stopping to appease the Muslims while making it stop when it was going to stop anyways, I do still feel an ounce of bitter feeling that they rolled over to show a sign of backing down of sorts when there is NO justification whatsoever for it... Again, I seriously do hope this is some joke... I started off hoping it was a joke - then did some research and found it wasnt - then started the protest group. This cannot be allowed to pass uncommented. That's the point though; Lego is so universally known around the world that just banning the sets in Turkey wouldn't satisfy those being critical. The set would continue to be distributed elsewhere so in the eyes of the Muslim community the problem wouldn't have really gone away (again, I'm speaking from a hypothetical and neutral perspective). I'm sure they were speaking in the short-term, since after a few years or so Jabba's Palace would be discontinued like any other set. According to an article I read (http://rt.com/news/j...ti-islamic-138/), the protesters wanted production to cease this year/almost immediately. See article I linked to. I get that as Lego is worldwide stopping selling it in just Muslim countries would not satisfy those being critical but ask yourself this from your neutral point of view - should a group that is not world wide ever be able to dictate what happens worldwide.
Leo604 Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) I get that as Lego is worldwide stopping selling it in just Muslim countries would not satisfy those being critical but ask yourself this from your neutral point of view - should a group that is not world wide ever be able to dictate what happens worldwide. No, and I never said they should be able to; unfortunately, religion tends to be a rather touchy subject in today's society so I can understand TLG being sensitive about this. Plus, like Clanure said a couple posts ago, the decision made to stop producing the set in response to the criticism doesn't affect TLG's overall plans for Jabba's Palace anyway: Jabba’s Palace was added to the Star Wars Lego line in 2012. Controversy emerged after a Muslim father discovered his son had been given a set by his sister earlier this year. The TCA requested the immediate shelving of the set, which is targeted at children aged 9 to 14.Lego initially protested against the complaints, saying that the set was true to the depiction of Jabba’s palace in the ‘Star Wars’ films. “We see no reason to take it off the market, we have simply followed the film,” a spokesperson said in January. However, the new decision was announced over the weekend, following a meeting in Munich between Turkish community leaders and Lego executives. The halt in production will not occur immediately as requested, but will take place next year, according to the Independent. Lego representatives told RT that “Jabba's Palace 9516 was planned from beginning to only be in the assortment until the end of 2013” and the decision has nothing to do with criticism from the TCA. EDIT: Sorry, fixed a spelling error. Edited April 1, 2013 by Leo Crimson
Fuppylodders Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 but ask yourself this from your neutral point of view - should a group that is not world wide ever be able to dictate what happens worldwide. In a sense, yes and no... If the group is a minority group of a few... If the group is millions of people (which to be honest, I seriously doubt this case is, it's just nowadays, anything offensive can be over exaggerated to become largely publicised for something so indiscriminately pointless and minuscule...) The answer requires such a deep answer though, and it'll start getting too political etc... Although I would say I don't think this is the place for such a discussion... It is relevant to Lego as it is now affecting what can and can't be released in the future... so.. Is this subject Ok to discuss? And where is the line at which it should not be discussed?.
Borex Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 If it's true, it's soooo sad. I hope those groups that whine about stuff like this finally will get a nice hobby, or maybe a girlfriend and have some fun instead of making the world miserable for everybody else.
sologuy369 Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 This could be the last Jabba's Palace set, unless they design it differently in the future.
just2good Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Well, I guess I'll have to pick it up before then! I was hoping it would stick around for sometime though, kind of like the 2011 Milllennium Falcon.
Brickdoctor Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Is this subject Ok to discuss? And where is the line at which it should not be discussed?. I think it should be okay as long as discussion concerns the decisions of TLG, and not those of the Turkish Cultural Association. Discussion of what and why the TCA or "Furious Muslim critics" should be doing would be crossing the line over into the political and religious topics that we do not allow on EB.And for reference, the Site Guidelines state: Manners and Serious Topics: Don't be offensive to other members. We like Eurobricks to be a friendly place to discuss LEGO and won't allow posts that are intended to offend or attack. For the same reason, topics about religion or politics are not welcome on Eurobricks.
dont stop making Jabbas Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 In a sense, yes and no... If the group is a minority group of a few... If the group is millions of people (which to be honest, I seriously doubt this case is, it's just nowadays, anything offensive can be over exaggerated to become largely publicised for something so indiscriminately pointless and minuscule...) The answer requires such a deep answer though, and it'll start getting too political etc... Although I would say I don't think this is the place for such a discussion... It is relevant to Lego as it is now affecting what can and can't be released in the future... so.. Is this subject Ok to discuss? And where is the line at which it should not be discussed?. In a sense, yes and no... If the group is a minority group of a few... If the group is millions of people (which to be honest, I seriously doubt this case is, it's just nowadays, anything offensive can be over exaggerated to become largely publicised for something so indiscriminately pointless and minuscule...) The answer requires such a deep answer though, and it'll start getting too political etc... Although I would say I don't think this is the place for such a discussion... It is relevant to Lego as it is now affecting what can and can't be released in the future... so.. Is this subject Ok to discuss? And where is the line at which it should not be discussed?. I get what you are saying about the wider implications not being discussed here - I have a general forum if you are interested but its for people to contact me privately I will not advertise it. Sticking to the relevance of Lego itself my concern would be that if this group even start to think they have caused a change (and the fact that the stop date was not pushed in January and is now being presented as nothing to do with the pressure suggests unfortunately it is something to do with the pressure), if allowed to think they have caused a change once then they will do it again - and do it harder next time. Are you positive there is absolutely nothing else in the Lego range they could take offence to because I am not - and what starts with one set could next time see a whole range targetted. It could result in the designers and planners of future sets changing they way they work and what they produce - are you happy that the lego you get access to in future may be restricted at the design stage in case it upsets a certain group? Cant make a wild west set the cowboy figures will offend the indian sorry native american figures so on and so forth
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