def Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 DAY SIX Li'l Hinckley talks to the daisies. "So, if I had to say top 3, I'd go, The Jesus Lizard, then Jesus & Mary Chain, and number one, Jesus Jones. If you've ever heard the live version of International Bright Young Thing, well, it's totally slammin" The flowers do not reply. The inevitable footsteps come. "Unanimous lynch! Unanimous lynch! Get him! Make him suffer!" The crowd manhandles Li'l Hinckley in a way he never has before. They jam his face into the flowerbed, choking him with dirt and snuffing his flame. Returning to the class room, Mr. def is in a slightly better mood. "You should be pleased, you managed to lynch scum! All eleven of you voted together, so it'll be pretty hard to read much into that vote, but, oh... wait, there are only 10 of you here. What goes on here?" Li'l Boy Wonder yells at the window, "Oh, the slide! The slide!" Li'l CallMePie, who had survived so well the day before, hadn't made it to day six. Amazing, in that time between killing Li'l Hinckley and walking into the classroom, someone had found the time to get themselves a slice of Li'l Pie. "Oh my, we have to have yet another vote for mayor. Get at it!" The Host Mr. def (def) - the teacher The Players Li'l Boy Wonder (Boy Wonder) - sleeps a lot Li'l Capt. Redblade (Capt. Redblade) - foppy hair Li'l Endgame (Endgame) - hit puberty early Li'l Kieldaman (Kieldaman) - cosplay fanatic Li'l Nightshroud (Nightshroud) - poindexter Li'l Peanuts (Peanuts) - soft head Li'l Pirate Dave (PirateDave) - piratier than Li'l Big Cam Li'l Rick (Rick) - tolerating Li'l Walter Kovacs (Walter Kovacs) - bandaged Li'l Zepher (Zepher) - not an alien The Dead Li'l Big Cam (Big Cam) - Died day one, butt blew up Li'l TrumpetKing (TrumpetKing) - Lynched day one - his enthusiasm was erratic Town Li'l DannyLongLegs (DannyLongLegs) - killed night one - swinging in Hell Scum Li'l Scouty (Scouty) - lynched on day two - piled on Townie Li'l Cornelius Murdock (Cornelius Murdock) - killed night two - Townie mayor of nothing Li'l Fugazi (Fugazi) - killed night two - Townie flew into the danger zone Li'l Palathadric (Palathadric) - lynched day three - Townie succumbed to peer pressure Li'l Cecilie (Cecilie) - killed night three - Townie had a bad case of the mayors Li'l Chromeknight (Chromeknight) - lynched day four - Townie too beautiful to live Li'l Pandora (Pandora) - killed night four - Townie lost her head, and then her hair Li'l Hinckley (Hinckley) - lynched day five - Scum pushing up daisies Li'l CallMePie (CallMePie) - killed night five - Townie mayored into oblivion Rules (deviations from the normal EB rules are struck-through) 1. Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Town or the Scum. To win the game, the Town must kill off all the Scum, while the Scum needs to (knowingly) outnumber the Town. Third-party (neutral) characters have their own win conditions as outlined in their roles. 2. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting will be done in the following format; Vote: Player. Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format;Unvote: Player. No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player. The player with the most votes will be lynched. In the case of a tie, the mayor will decide the lynch, through their vote, or by PM if necessary. Voting is mandatory. Failure to vote will incur a vote penalty the following game day. 2.5. A mayor will be elected in the first 24 hours of the game day one. Voting for the mayor will be done in the following format:Mayor: Player. Unvoting for the mayor will not be allowed. One may vote for themselves. In the case of a tie, the first person to achieve that number will win. In the case that the mayor loses their life, a new mayor will be elected in the first 24 hours of the following game day. The mayors single duty will be that of tiebreaker. 3. A game day will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The day will end when a majority vote has been reachedafter 72 hours. In the case of a unanimous vote, the day may end 24 hours early. After the day has been concluded, a night stage will commence, which will last 24 hours (or 48 hours if an emergency comes up). Night actions must be sent to the host in the first 24 20 hours of the night stage. 3.5. Players may not target the same player two nights in a row, and may not target themselves. 4. The alignment of lynched players, as well as any that died during the night, will be revealed at the beginning of the next day. 5. You may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent to you by the host via PM. That includes all the details of your character and role, as well as any night action results. Role claims and reporting of night action results are acceptable, but in your own words only. Do not attempt to use the structure of your role PM to your advantage. 5.5 Do not use the wording of the host to publicly back up your claims. Statements about the game made before the game started are fair game, but those made in game should not be considered either way in strategising. 6. Do not play the game outside the thread. Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread. Game tactics and roles may only be discussed in the game thread or via PM with other players. Private discussion is done at your own risk and should be treated as part of the game. 7. If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players. Any information you had becomes void, and may not be passed on. 8. You may not edit your posts. 9. You must post in every day thread. 10. If you encounter a problem or have a question, please contact the host via PM. Do not spam the hosts's PM box. 11. Violation of the above rules may result in a 5 vote penalty vote penalty per every 4 living players against you, and death upon further offense.
Nightshroud99 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 HA! Scum, finally!!!! Who shall we lynch next? Boywonder? Rick? Sucks about Pie, though. But, he died valiantly.
Zepher Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 I was very back and forth about Lil' Hinckley the whole game. Most of the time I thought he was scum, but for a day or two I thought he might be a mason. Masons, if you have a lead and need someone to speak up, talk to me privately. I can pass on information to the group. Its the safest way- won't endanger a mason, but if I lie, you can then come forward and won't be any worse off. But of course I won't lie. That's only of course if you have results of some sort.
Piratedave84 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 How about Walt? We tried to convert him and he was unrecruitable and was quite close to Hinck!!! Alternatively TBW was tracked targetting known townies (known to us that is) and made ridiculous claims of being a bodyguard; CM was the protector(doctor?) and in this setup I don't think there can be another protector; IMO Boywonder is a/the converter and I think he should be lynched. Oh and also: mayor:Rick Why you ask? I trust that he is town and let's face it as a Mason there is already a big enough target on my head!!!!
XimenaPaulina Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Glad we got to live another day, and hopefully we won't waste the selfless sacrifice that Li'l CMP did for the town. With the significant leads brought out by Li'l Pie yesterday I think we could never go wrong with lynching either Li'l Walter or Li'l BoyWonder today. The only question is who to vote out between the two? Ideally, in the long run the town has better chances if we lynch a scum killer instead of a scum converter since: 1) we no longer have a protector/doctor (if my assumption is correct), and 2) the fact that we (may) still have town recruitment blockers to negate any scum recruitment, and 3) not all townies are recruitable, so any failed recruitment by the scum favors the town numbers-wise. Of course, the scum killing action presumably can be passed on to their killing scum teammates (though I doubt they could pass it onto the recruiting scum team), so if we take out one of the killers then that would give the town better chances of survival on the next days, if this ordeal extends that long. Yesterday's evidence points out that Li'l BoyWonder is most probably a converter, but is it safe to assume that Li'l Walter is on the scum killing team as Li'l Hinck? If he is, then I'm leaning towards lynching Li'l Walter. If we're lucky, he may be the last scum killer (alongside Li'l Hinck and hopefully Li'l Dannylonglegs).
Nightshroud99 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Mayor: Piratedave84 He's a mason, and helped lead the lynch against Hinck yesterday. I strongly believe he is town so I'm voting for him.
Rick Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Well, that certainly confirms a lot of things in the most ultimate way. We're still in the same precarious situation though, because in the best case scenario there are only four scum left. Masons, if you have a lead and need someone to speak up, talk to me privately. I can pass on information to the group. Its the safest way- won't endanger a mason, but if I lie, you can then come forward and won't be any worse off. But of course I won't lie. That's only of course if you have results of some sort. Did you miss that Dave was outed as a mason yesterday? Even though he may not really be one (who knows if it was said just to megabluck with the scum's minds), li'l Pie trusted him, so I think I'd rather let li'l Dave speak for the masons. Oh and also: mayor:Rick Why you ask? I trust that he is town and let's face it as a Mason there is already a big enough target on my head!!!! I would have voted you for mayor, so your vote came as quite a surprise to me. I spent some time wondering why you wouldn't just nominate yourself, but it's clear to me now. The scum can only kill one of us at night and this way they have to chose between the mayor and a more-or-less confirmed mason. Mayor: Li'l Rick (Rick) Ideally, in the long run the town has better chances if we lynch a scum killer instead of a scum converter since: 1) we no longer have a protector/doctor (if my assumption is correct), and 2) the fact that we (may) still have town recruitment blockers to negate any scum recruitment, and 3) not all townies are recruitable, so any failed recruitment by the scum favors the town numbers-wise. I agree that the killers probably have a higher chance of being successful than the recruiters at this point. Well, that certainly confirms a lot of things in the most ultimate way. We're still in the same precarious situation though, because in the best case scenario there are only four scum left. Three scum of course. They started with five after all. However, it's unlikely that the recruiters recruited nobody, so I still think it's likely we're up against four or five scum at the moment.
Peanuts Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Hey, we're still there! That's good news. How about Walt? We tried to convert him and he was unrecruitable and was quite close to Hinck!!! Alternatively TBW was tracked targetting known townies (known to us that is) and made ridiculous claims of being a bodyguard; CM was the protector(doctor?) and in this setup I don't think there can be another protector; IMO Boywonder is a/the converter and I think he should be lynched. Oh and also: mayor:Rick Why you ask? I trust that he is town and let's face it as a Mason there is already a big enough target on my head!!!! Well, I was more suspicious of Li'l Walter before, but the case against Li'l BoyWonder seems a bit stronger to me the way you present it. Well, I trust you (you're pretty much confirmed mason right now) so I'll Mayor: Li'l Rick
Piratedave84 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 So town folks what do we want to do? Here are 2 cases; you decide! Option 1 is to lynch Walt: - Was a close relation to Hinck behind the scenes - Knew the identity of both the Vig and Protector which are both incidently dead - Had a failed conversion result - Walt's affiliation cannot be asserted with 100% certitude; he could be a killer or a converter Option 2 is to lynch TBW: - TBW was tracked targetting a known mason - Claims bodyguard which as outlined previously as being a pretty dumb claim The fact is that we need to lynch a scum every day if we are to survive; we also need to establish if we want to subdue the killers or to prevent recruiting. Thoughts?
Peanuts Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 The fact is that we need to lynch a scum every day if we are to survive; we also need to establish if we want to subdue the killers or to prevent recruiting. Thoughts? Definitely stop recruiting. There will always be killers; as far as I understand, blocker and protector are dead, so there's nothing that stops them from killing us. The problem with the recruiters is, that even if we lynch scum every day, it's possible that we will lose. As I said before, I'm all for Option 2.
Piratedave84 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Definitely stop recruiting. There will always be killers; as far as I understand, blocker and protector are dead, so there's nothing that stops them from killing us. The problem with the recruiters is, that even if we lynch scum every day, it's possible that we will lose. As I said before, I'm all for Option 2. But in the end wether one is killed or converted, it is still one point for scum and a loss for town. Who was the blocker?
Peanuts Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 But in the end wether one is killed or converted, it is still one point for scum and a loss for town. Who was the blocker? No, if someone is killed, we lose one, i.e., the difference of our numbers goes down by one. If someone is recruited, we lose one, they gain one, the difference goes down by two. Sorry, I don't know, I thought someone said they were dead. Maybe I'm mistaking?
Piratedave84 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 No, if someone is killed, we lose one, i.e., the difference of our numbers goes down by one. If someone is recruited, we lose one, they gain one, the difference goes down by two. Sorry, I don't know, I thought someone said they were dead. Maybe I'm mistaking? Gotcha, yes, sorry! I know of a claimed blocker that is still alive but I am unsure of his allegiance; he is not mason. Does anyone remember someone claiming the blocker was dead?
Walter Kovacs Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 I have a lot of ground to cover here, so bear with me. First, a little analysis of our situation. There are ten of us left. I think we can safely assume the scum teams have united, after yesterday's revelations and vote. If the scum started with a team of 2 and a team of 3, then here's what we have: 1. The scum have not succeeded in recruiting anyone. It is now 7 Town vs 3 Scum. The Town can afford a mis-lynch and a night kill, and still have a day 7. I seriously doubt the Scum have not been able to recruit, but it is a possibility. Also, electing a Scum as mayor will not hurt the town. Today, at least. 2. The Scum have only recruited one person. That makes it 6 Town and 4 Scum. A mis-lynch today and a night kill would make the numbers even. Electing a Scum Mayor means game over if the Town mis-lynches today, as even with a tied lynch vote, the Scum get the tie-breaker. 3. The Scum have recruited 2 players. That means our numbers are even NOW. In which case, we are in LyLo, and any Mis-lynch is game over. Also, electing a Scum as Mayor means game over, for the reasons given in #2. As we can see, the vote for Mayor has become critical. We cannot allow the Scum to be elected Mayor. My gut feeling is to vote Dave mayor, as I know I can trust him now, but he doesn't want it (for very valid reasons), and he's placed his trust in Li'l Rick. I'm going to hold my vote for now and see how everyone feels about this. Next topic. I seem to generating a lot of interest as a suspect.today. Dave and CMPs suspicion is justified. Apparently the Masons attempted to recruit me and failed. There are two reasons this could happen: A. I am scum, plain and simple. I'll tell you now that I am not. No one would expect less of me. B. I was Recruitment Blocked. Mr. Def told us he was thinking of putting this role into the game, so this is a strong possibility. I have received a message on two different nights (Night 2 and 4, to be exact) that I was blocked. There is no way to confirm one way or the other which scenario is true. As for knowing the Vig and Protector, I didn't know Corny was the protector until after Hinck knew. If anyone spilled that to him, it was Cecilie, not me. As for revealing the Vig to Hinck, yes, I am to blame. Hinck already suspected it, I made the mistake of confirming it, and Cecillie also confirmed it to him as well. So, that leads me to this question. What if I am town? And not only that, the Town Blocker, as I've claimed? What would you be losing? 1. A loyal townie, which can't help the town at this point. 2. A powerful role, one that can actually stop the scum from killing at night, if I can be pointed to the right target. I've spent the entire game trying to get the information I know into the right hands. I've been feeding info to many players, including Cecilie, Hinckley, Dave, Rick and Pandy. Yes, trusting Hinck as much as I did was a mistake. But none of the rest of you believed Hinck was scum, either. Otherwise, he would have been a lynch target long before now. If there are other questions for me, I'll be glad to answer them. I want nothing more than for us Town to win.
Piratedave84 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 SNIP I think we are here: 3. The Scum have recruited 2 players. That means our numbers are even NOW. In which case, we are in LyLo, and any Mis-lynch is game over. Also, electing a Scum as Mayor means game over, for the reasons given in #2. The mayoral vote is important but I think we will not see a split vote today as anyone not voting for either you or TBW will be pinned as scum; there is still a chance this game could go either way and I don't think the scum are going to out themselves so easily. Alternatively, if there is a tie vote and the mayor picks a townie (walt?) to die then the mayor is pinned as scum; either way we are bound to catch us another scum if the vote is split. SNIP B. I was Recruitment Blocked. Mr. Def told us he was thinking of putting this role into the game, so this is a strong possibility. I have received a message on two different nights (Night 2 and 4, to be exact) that I was blocked. SNIP Am I reading this wrong? I don't think you would know if you were targetted for conversion and it failed.
XimenaPaulina Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 3. The Scum have recruited 2 players. That means our numbers are even NOW. In which case, we are in LyLo, and any Mis-lynch is game over. Also, electing a Scum as Mayor means game over, for the reasons given in #2. This is the worst case scenario and it would be best for the town's cause if we start acting with a sense of urgency under this specific critical circumstance. To think of #1 and #2 is highly NOT recommended as it will just give us a false sense of security. If people have still trouble realizing the dire situation we're in, here's how it looks like: Assumption: 5 Town vs. 5 Scum (worst case scenario) Case 1: Lynch Scum, Scum kills Townie, unsuccessful scum recruitment - 4 Town vs. 4 Scum = Game Continues Case 2: Lynch Scum, Scum kills Townie, successful scum recruitment - 3 Town vs. 5 Scum = GAME OVER Case 3: Lynch Townie = Automatic GAME OVER (don't even need night actions) Conclusion: Town can no longer afford any incorrect lynch and any successful scum recruitment at this point and beyond. So it's not only imperative that we correctly lynch scum from this day forward, but also prevent any scum conversion AT ALL COSTS. B. I was Recruitment Blocked. Mr. Def told us he was thinking of putting this role into the game, so this is a strong possibility. I have received a message on two different nights (Night 2 and 4, to be exact) that I was blocked. Li'l Walt you would have to understand that your "unrecruitableness" (I think I just invented a word there ) doesn't sit well on a desperate town side. Considering the significant lack of evidence on the previous failed lynches (except for Hinck), the case against you not being able to be recruited can already be considered 'strong'. And from my limited experiences in these games, unrecruitable/uninvestigable/unverifiable players are almost always scum (I remember in Gotham City Mafia we tried to investigate Brickdoctor twice, we failed both times and true enough he turned out scum in the end). So, that leads me to this question. What if I am town? And not only that, the Town Blocker, as I've claimed? What would you be losing? The problem is your role claim is the oldest trick in the scum's book. It's the easiest claim for a scum to make as it's basically unverifiable (one could always "invent the result" and/or coordinate with his scum team to make the action "believable"). But still, I think the safe bet is we lynch first TheBoyWonder today and deal with Li'l Walt tomorrow (more time to contemplate and probably share viewpoints among the remaining townies).
Walter Kovacs Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Am I reading this wrong? I don't think you would know if you were targetted for conversion and it failed. Option 1 is to lynch Walt: - Was a close relation to Hinck behind the scenes - Knew the identity of both the Vig and Protector which are both incidently dead - Had a failed conversion result - Walt's affiliation cannot be asserted with 100% certitude; he could be a killer or a converter I do believe YOU told me. The problem is your role claim is the oldest trick in the scum's book. It's the easiest claim for a scum to make as it's basically unverifiable (one could always "invent the result" and/or coordinate with his scum team to make the action "believable"). I can't help the cards I've been dealt. I am the Town Blocker. It's up to the rest of you to believe me or not.
Piratedave84 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 What if, the teams have not united ... is that plausible? We're all going under the impression that they have but what if TBW was the only recruiter left and failed to reach out to Hinck in time? there is another conversion that failed, another person we could scrutinize tomorrow but I believe this person to be town so I will keep his name secret for the time being.
Piratedave84 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Please not everyone talk at once!!! All this info on the table, all these theories to debate yet no one to discuss it with .... kind of sad and pathetic!!!!
Zepher Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 If there's a killer left and you continuously call TBW a recruiter, I'm sure they've united forces if they hadn't already. On top of that, you seem to think that TBW could be the "final recruiter" when in fact anyone he has converted would also be scum and able to reach out. ON TOP of that your whole case against Hinckley hinges on the fact that he knew Walter was scum as well... Anyway, it seems that both TBW and Walter are possible scum. Rick is apparently cleared town-wise, and Dave is likewise cleared-esque. I have it on good authority that Nightshroud doesn't have an action, at the very least... and Keil has pinged me as town since day one, so unless he was converted (and remember, only 6 townies COULD be converted) we're in the clear on that front. I personally know I'm town... which leaves likely scum as Walter, Peanuts, Endgame (been pinging me forever, and in private conversation Hinckley made a specific point of distancing himself from Endgame), TBW and Redblade (another person who has pinged me from the start). If it came down to it, I'd feel more comfortable with a TBW lynch than a Walter lynch. TBW has made a convoluted role claim. Walter has made a less ridiculous role claim, and has said things. TBW has done little to help and little to defend himself. Besides, you said Hinckley was trying to throw Walter under the bus- not something a Scum HAD to do at that point.
Piratedave84 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Zepher ... really ... I'm a mason, how does that make me "cleared-esque"? Are you really trying to contredict me? What is your evidence of scuminess from you suspects based on? What is that reliable source you are referring to, I am very curious! the case against Hinck was based on the fact he was tracked targetting Pandy ... really WTF are you trying to do?
Zepher Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Zepher ... really ... I'm a mason, how does that make me "cleared-esque"? Are you really trying to contredict me? What is your evidence of scuminess from you suspects based on? What is that reliable source you are referring to, I am very curious! the case against Hinck was based on the fact he was tracked targetting Pandy ... really WTF are you trying to do? Cleared-esque is a... wait for it... drum roll?... JOKE! The scumminess is based off of.... wait for it... the people who you've said are probably town! Look at you, yelling at me for following through with your own logic. Bravo! If you trust Rick, and you're a mason... and yes, I admit it, Kiel IS my own feelings, and I know I'm town- then.... TADA, everyone left is more likely to be scum than those people. Shocking, I know. The reliable source would be.... wait for it.... drum roll again?... YOU! You yourself told me he was tracked twice and that nothing happened!! Look at that! And, finally, a quote from CMP, your fellow mason, stating very clearly that he believes that Walter and Hinckley are in contact: Now, why would Hinckley do this? If Hinckley is indeed the scum killer, and Walter was indeed converted, wouldn't they have found eachother pretty easily if they were in this block PM and in constant contact? The answer is yes. Hinckley is using Walter (willingly - they're both scum) as a scapegoat. He is trying to gain the trust of the town, so that he may kill without interference for the rest of the game. Leading the only successful lynch of a scum, who would doubt him? Assuming Walter was converted, and Hinckley was killer, LIKE CMP STATED, then yes, the two teams are in contact. I wish so badly you had been scum this game. You would have been very easy to catch.
Rick Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Definitely stop recruiting. There will always be killers; as far as I understand, blocker and protector are dead, so there's nothing that stops them from killing us. The problem with the recruiters is, that even if we lynch scum every day, it's possible that we will lose. You also have to consider that the chances of a successful conversion are much lower than the chances of a successful kill, because the number of recruitable townies is limited, whereas any townie can be killed. Furthermore, it's unlikely we'll stop the conversions by killing one of the converters because I guess their action will be passed on. The same holds for the killers though. So, if we want to play it safe we'll lynch the suspected converter. I doubt it'll stop the conversion attempts though. As we can see, the vote for Mayor has become critical. We cannot allow the Scum to be elected Mayor. My gut feeling is to vote Dave mayor, as I know I can trust him now, but he doesn't want it (for very valid reasons), and he's placed his trust in Li'l Rick. I'm going to hold my vote for now and see how everyone feels about this. If we elect Dave to be the mayor, we're sure to lose him tonight as I don't think there is any way to protect him (unless you really are the town blocker and manage to block the killer). If we elect someone else as mayor, the scum have to chose between a mason and the mayor. I have it on good authority that Nightshroud doesn't have an action, at the very least... and Keil has pinged me as town since day one, so unless he was converted (and remember, only 6 townies COULD be converted) we're in the clear on that front. I personally know I'm town... which leaves likely scum as Walter, Peanuts, Endgame (been pinging me forever, and in private conversation Hinckley made a specific point of distancing himself from Endgame), TBW and Redblade (another person who has pinged me from the start). You're narrowing down the suspect list rather quickly there. Let's not forget that you (based on your day 1 behaviour) or Kiel would make ideal conversion targets. How exactly was li'l Hinck distancing himself from Endgame in private conversations?
Zepher Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 I'm chummy with Endgame? I don't feel like I've even talked to Endgame. Endgame's game is non-existent. And Scummy Boy Wonder capitalized Endgame in his Scummy beacon post.
Piratedave84 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Cleared-esque is a... wait for it... drum roll?... JOKE! Oh! sorry, I forgot to laugh ... or catch on ... The scumminess is based off of.... wait for it... the people who you've said are probably town! Look at you, yelling at me for following through with your own logic. Bravo! If you trust Rick, and you're a mason... and yes, I admit it, Kiel IS my own feelings, and I know I'm town- then.... TADA, everyone left is more likely to be scum than those people. Shocking, I know. I don't follow you here ... The reliable source would be.... wait for it.... drum roll again?... YOU! You yourself told me he was tracked twice and that nothing happened!! Look at that! Oh, yes I forgot I told you that ... in private ... when youn were prying for info ... to better help us make up our mind as to whom was scum ... because you know, we don't have enough concrete info already, we need someone who is out of the loop to help us And, finally, a quote from CMP, your fellow mason, stating very clearly that he believes that Walter and Hinckley are in contact: I know that ... I was in their PM chain before I dropped out I wish so badly you had been scum this game. You would have been very easy to catch. LOL, the object of this particular game is for me/us/town to look scummy to lure scum in. - - - All of this being said, going back on your previous post: SNIP ON TOP of that your whole case against Hinckley hinges on the fact that he knew Walter was scum as well... SNIP Again, I ask, of the whole case, of all the evidence CMP pur forward, this is what you retain and see as the 'hinge' of our accusation ... SNIP Besides, you said Hinckley was trying to throw Walter under the bus- not something a Scum HAD to do at that point. I asked you if it would be possible that he was doing that, never have I said it was factual .... - - - You are acting weird today Zepher ... are we getting too close to your scum buddies? Why are you trying to steer the discussion away from the topic at hand?
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