Aperture Academy Mafia School: Day 8 - [Redacted]

[mostlytechnic]

Interesting that they both said davey in your survey. Combined with burton's early day 1 vote for davey, makes me leaning towards davey being loyal.

Also interesting that both mentioned framers, since I think many people here wouldn't have even known that that was a POSSIBLE role in the game (at least me - I came into the academy completely clueless. I didn't even know that mafia games existed outside EB!) So both mentioning it makes me think they do (or did) have that role. Still amazed at the odds for the framer and investigator to target the same person on the same night.

Was Andrew's investigation of Simone discussed with anyone before he did it? Was he picking who to investigate by himself or was there a group he was talking to? If it was a group thing, we NEED TO KNOW WHO WAS IN THAT GROUP because one of them is scum and that's why the framer was able to frame Simone that night. If he picked alone, then the scum got super lucky.

[LegoDad]

Adrianno - I never voted for Andrew on Day 6. My initial vote was for Burton, and then changed to Chuckie. I know you can't edit your post, but I'm clearing that up.

Interesting that they both said davey in your survey. Combined with burton's early day 1 vote for davey, makes me leaning towards davey being loyal.

Also interesting that both mentioned framers, since I think many people here wouldn't have even known that that was a POSSIBLE role in the game (at least me - I came into the academy completely clueless. I didn't even know that mafia games existed outside EB!) So both mentioning it makes me think they do (or did) have that role. Still amazed at the odds for the framer and investigator to target the same person on the same night.

Was Andrew's investigation of Simone discussed with anyone before he did it? Was he picking who to investigate by himself or was there a group he was talking to? If it was a group thing, we NEED TO KNOW WHO WAS IN THAT GROUP because one of them is scum and that's why the framer was able to frame Simone that night. If he picked alone, then the scum got super lucky.

Mary Jane - Let me go through my pm's from that time period to see who all that I know of that knew about the plans. Most that I know of have been confirmed town, though.

[PsyKater]

Adrianno - I never voted for Andrew on Day 6. My initial vote was for Burton, and then changed to Chuckie. I know you can't edit your post, but I'm clearing that up.

My bad. Thanks for the head's up. I advice everybody to check their votes as well.

Unofficial voting results: (corrected)

(with recorded voting and kill method; order not correct)

Day 1

Craig Anheiser (Kristel) (S) - 2 votes (Brickington (M), Tohst (L))

Wendy Beamish (Wedge09) - 3 votes (esurient, mostlytechnic, mencot)

Newton Crosby (debricker) (V)- 1 vote (purpearljellyblob)

Bud Fox (Tohst) (L) - 15 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, PsyKater, LegoDad, Fred Daniel Yam (L), Kristel (S), Tamamono (S), Antonio (L), -obelix-,Captain Nemo (L), Bob (S), jamesn, Clanure (S))

Davey Osborne (Mencot) - 3 votes (Debricker (V), Jedi master Brick (L), badboytje88, jamesn)

Ricky Sanders (Brickington) (M) - 6 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, Debricker (V), Wedge09 (L))

Shawna Sanders (Fred Daniel Yam) (L) - 0 votes (Bob (S))

Day 2

Wendy Beamish (Wedge09) (L) - 10 votes (Tamamono (S), LegoDad, Brickington (M), Clanure (S), Antonio (L), Kristel (S), mostlytechnic, jamesn,Purpearljellyblob,Esurient)

John Bender (Antonio) (L)- 2 votes (Jedi Master Brick (L), PsyKater, Purpearljellyblob)

Bob Busch (Hammerstein NWC) - 6 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, psykater, badboytje88)

Ricky Sanders (Brickington) (M) - 4 votes (Mencot, Hammerstein MWC, -obelix-, Fred Daniel Yam (L), mostlytechnic)

Claire Standish (LegoDad) - 2 votes (Wedge09 (L), Captain Nemo (L), Brickington (M))

Mary Jane (mostlytechnic) - 0 votes (Esurient, Hammerstein NWC)

Simone Adamley (Captain Nemo) (L) - 0 votes (jamesn)

Andrew Clark (Clanure) (S)- 0 votes (LegoDad)

Day 3

Simone Adamley (Captain Nemo) (L) - 15 votes (LegoDad, Tamamono (S), jamesn, PsyKater, Fred Daniel Yam (L), Jedi master Brick (L), Mencot, Hammerstein NWC, Esurient, -obelix-, badboytje88, Purpearljellyblob, mostlytechnic, Antonio (L), Clanure (S))

Claire Standish (LegoDad) - 1 vote (Captain Nemo (L), Mencot)

(no scum kill on Night 3)

Day 4

John Bender (Antonio) (L) - 8 votes (Jedi master Brick (L), Tamamono (S), Clanure (S), PsyKater, -obelix-, LegoDad, Hammerstein NWC, Fred Daniel Yam (L))

Andrew Clark (Clanure) (S)- 3 votes (mostlytechnic, Mencot, Antonio (L), Hammerstein NWC, jamesn, Fred Daniel Yam (L))

Cameron Frye (Tamamono) (S) - 1 vote (Esurient, Esurient, Mencot)

Brian Johnson (Purpearljellyblob) - 1 vote (jamesn)

Allison Reynolds (jamesn) - 1 vote (Purpearljellyblob)

Shawna Spencer (Fred Daniel Yam) (L) - 1 vote (badboytje88, Tamamono (S))

Burton Guster (Jedi master Brick) (L) - 0 votes (psykater)

(no scum kill on Night 4)

Day 5

Shawna Spencer (Fred Daniel Yam) (L)- 12 votes (mostlytechnic, Hammerstein NWC, jamesn, Esurient, LegoDad, Jedi Master Brick (L), Mencot, Tamamono (S), badboytje88, -obelix-, Purpearljellyblob, PsyKater)

Mary Jane (mostlytechnic) - 1 votes (Clanure (S))

Day 6

Mary Jane (mostlytechnic) - 0 votes (jamesn)

Burton Guster (Jedi master Brick) (L)- 0 votes (Mencot, LegoDad)

Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) - 2 votes (jamesn, Mencot)

Bob Busch (Hammerstein NWC) - 1 vote (Clanure (S))

Andrew Clark (Clanure) (S) - 4 votes (badboytje88, Hammerstein NWC, -obelix-, Jedi master Brick (L), mostlytechnic,)

Chuckie Miller (-obelix-) - 4 votes (PsyKater, Purpearljellyblob, mostlytechnic, LegoDad)

Adriano Parbritzzi (PsyKater) - 1 vote (Esurient)

(no scum kill on Night 6)

Day 7

Burton Guster (Jedi master Brick) (L)- 10 votes (LegoDad, Purpearljellyblob, Clanure (S), Esurient, badboytje88, PsyKater, Hammerstein NWC, Mencot, mostlytechnic, jamesn)

Brian Johnson (Purpearljellyblob) - 1 vote (Jedi master Brick (L))

Claire Standish (LegoDad) - 1 vote (-obelix-)

Chuckie Miller (-obelix-) - 0 votes (mostlytechnic)

Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) - 0 votes (jamesn)

Key

Confirmed Town

Assumed Town (Investigator results) ! Framed investigation result on Simone. Possibility of Godfather !

Confirmed Scum

Character got lynched that day

Character got killed that Day/Night

(M) Character got mod-killed that Day/Night

(L) Character got lynched that Day

(L) Character got lynched later on

(S) Character got scum-killed that Night

(S) Character got scum-killed later on

(V) Character got vig-killed that Night

(V) Character got vig-killed later on

Unvote

[LegoDad]

I went through all my pm's from that time period. The people that explicitly knew the plan for Simone was myself, Craig, Cameron, and Andrew. Others that were part of the conversation were Adrianno and Allison, but they were never told exactly what was going on, just that a plan was in place. Obviously, this makes myself look bad because the other three are dead, and all townies. That's not to say that one of them was in contact with someone else though and the scum team got second hand knowledge of the plan at that point.

I also did this while going through my pm's. Burton had pm'd me about being town and I asked him if there was anybody that could vouch for him and there was no reply, ever. How the hell didn't I pick up on that????

[PsyKater]

Obviously, this makes myself look bad because the other three are dead, and all townies.

At least you are honest. But lying would have brought you the death. Just sayin...

Others that were part of the conversation were Adrianno and Allison, but they were never told exactly what was going on, just that a plan was in place. That's not to say that one of them was in contact with someone else though and the scum team got second hand knowledge of the plan at that point.

I feel a little incriminated here. Prove me wrong, but I do not see myself as being part of the conversation nor that I ever knew that there was a plan in place. What are you trying to do here?

[LegoDad]

All I was saying was that I was in contact with you and Allison at the same time, but you were never involved in any of the investigations. Don't look too much into it. I'm saying the exact opposite that you are seeing, that you were NOT involved. You're way too tense for this early in the morning.

I didn't get all pissed off when you made the mistake on my voting, so don't fly off the handle about this. I'm not incriminating you. LISTEN EVERYBODY, ADRIANNO WAS NOT INVOLVED IN INVESTIGATIONS!!!! How's that?

[PsyKater]

Yeah, better. But you could correct your statement though. It is important for clues later on to be correct. And I was in contact with you since after all that investigation was up.

Chuckie, you are on top of my list today. You showed up at least once, but did not rlsay anything. Makes you look just more suspicious. I am torn between you and someone else at this moment.

[Hammerstein NWC]

Another day and another scum killer.

I was very suspicious of Andrew so once again I've been proved wrong!

It seems [a lot] of PMs were flying round early doors, I feel quite left out.

I'm glad I'm not a pariah any more!

[jimmynick]

Wow! Lots of talk has happened while I was away from school. I need to catch up a little bit, but here are some of my initial reactions

That why

Haha I'm bad at grammar.

That's just complete crap! We expelled their killer twice and they just keep getting a new one... How much chances are these scumbags going to get. I'm sorry but that's just whack!

You sound really weird when you say that - why did you think the kill wouldn't pass on?

Others that were part of the conversation were Adrianno and Allison, but they were never told exactly what was going on, just that a plan was in place.

Yes, I talked to you, and you said you were talking to the investigator. You asked me what I thought about Simone, and I said I thought she was scum and that's it.

[PsyKater]

So you didn't know that Andrew was the investigator? Claire also did not leave any clues?

[LegoDad]

Another day and another scum killer.

I was very suspicious of Andrew so once again I've been proved wrong!

It seems [a lot] of PMs were flying round early doors, I feel quite left out.

I'm glad I'm not a pariah any more!

You would get more pm's if you were more active in class. Nobody trusts quiet people, they get vig-killed.

Wow! Lots of talk has happened while I was away from school. I need to catch up a little bit, but here are some of my initial reactions

Haha I'm bad at grammar.

You sound really weird when you say that - why did you think the kill wouldn't pass on?

Yes, I talked to you, and you said you were talking to the investigator. You asked me what I thought about Simone, and I said I thought she was scum and that's it.

Yes, that is correct. I worded Adrianno and your involvement poorly.

So you didn't know that Andrew was the investigator? Claire also did not leave any clues?

No, I never told Allison who the investigator was until Simone's town outcome when everybody else knew. She thought I was the investigator.

[mostlytechnic]

Simone's guide must have been a frame, meaning the scum have/had a night action that lets them have a town character appear scummy when investigated. That must have gotten REALLY lucky then, since there were, what, like 20 people left at that point? To have them frame and the investigator investigate the same person? With 20 people that's like 1 in 300 odds! (figuring the scum had ~15 town to pick from, and the investigator had about 20 to pick from to investigate)

For the record, I realized that I did very bad statistics there. It's not 1:300 odds of the investigator and framer picking the same person. It's 1:15 to 1:20 odds - not sure exactly how it works since Andrew and the framer would have had different numbers to pick from [given that the framer knows all the scum and wouldn't frame them] but you don't multiply the two. You just assume the framer is picking person X and then the odds of Andrew picking the same person would be around 1:20. So still unlikely, but way less unlikely than I thought at first.

[Mencot]

I little memorylist and some of my personl notes (so don´t take it too hard and serious ) over who is left:

Bobby Busch (very quiet)

Jeanie Bueller (hmm don´t get much out of her, not always helpful)

Brian Johnson (helpful)

Claire Standish (clearly 100 % town, hasn´t always been too trustworthy but we all do mistakes)

Chuckie Miller (also very quiet, don´t get much out of him)

Adriano Parbritzzi ("town hero", our personal stats collector)

Mary Jane (pretty sure she is town, helpful)

Allison Reynolds (helpful)

Lucy Emerson (quiet, but when speaks my opinion helpful)

Davey (me)

[jimmynick]

For the record, I realized that I did very bad statistics there. It's not 1:300 odds of the investigator and framer picking the same person. It's 1:15 to 1:20 odds - not sure exactly how it works since Andrew and the framer would have had different numbers to pick from [given that the framer knows all the scum and wouldn't frame them] but you don't multiply the two. You just assume the framer is picking person X and then the odds of Andrew picking the same person would be around 1:20. So still unlikely, but way less unlikely than I thought at first.

Mary Jane - I'm not a stats guru but that looks better. It's unlikely that the framer and the investigator would target the same person on the same night, but the evidence still says that it indeed happened.

[PsyKater]

Chuckie!!!!

[mostlytechnic]

Mary Jane - I'm not a stats guru but that looks better. It's unlikely that the framer and the investigator would target the same person on the same night, but the evidence still says that it indeed happened.

Yep, only a 5% chance or so, unless there was a spy passing info, in which case it'd be 100% :)

Chuckie!!!!

huh? any reason for screaming at him?

[Mencot]

huh? any reason for screaming at him?

One reason could be that Chuckie would atleast say something?

He is the only one who hasn´t said anything the whole day, I understand that one can be quiet but that one doesn´t say anything thats scummy?

[Mencot]

Hmm something missing but I think the voting is open, right altough the teachers haven´t announced it yet

[Esurient]

For the record, I realized that I did very bad statistics there. It's not 1:300 odds of the investigator and framer picking the same person. It's 1:15 to 1:20 odds - not sure exactly how it works since Andrew and the framer would have had different numbers to pick from [given that the framer knows all the scum and wouldn't frame them] but you don't multiply the two. You just assume the framer is picking person X and then the odds of Andrew picking the same person would be around 1:20. So still unlikely, but way less unlikely than I thought at first.

I think the odds of both the framer and the investigator targeting the same person is about 1:300 odds as you have mentioned previously.

Odds of investigator investigating Simone: 1:19 (20 people, minus himself)

Odds of framer framing Simone: 1:15 (20 people, assume 5 scums)

Odds of both of that investigating and framing at the same time (assuming no contact with each other): 1/19 x 1/15 = 1:285

If you think that the Sloane being killed in Day 1 is lucky, that is only 1:16 odds (22 at the start, assume 5 scums, and minus Bud = 16)

1:285 is just . I don't know who Andrew talked to via pm, he could have told someone else.

[Darkdragon]

Voting is now open.

With 10 players left, it takes 6 for a successful expulsion.

[PsyKater]

I think the odds of both the framer and the investigator targeting the same person is about 1:300 odds as you have mentioned previously.

Odds of investigator investigating Simone: 1:19 (20 people, minus himself)

Odds of framer framing Simone: 1:15 (20 people, assume 5 scums)

Odds of both of that investigating and framing at the same time (assuming no contact with each other): 1/19 x 1/15 = 1:285

If you think that the Sloane being killed in Day 1 is lucky, that is only 1:16 odds (22 at the start, assume 5 scums, and minus Bud = 16)

1:285 is just . I don't know who Andrew talked to via pm, he could have told someone else.

This makes Claire as a big lynch target.

Vote: Chuckie Miller (-obelix-)

Start talking!

[Mencot]

I don't know who Andrew talked to via pm, he could have told someone else.

And we won´t know really until this is over or we find this person

This makes Claire as a big lynch target.

Start talking!

You say so?

Chuckie start talking!

[Hammerstein NWC]

@Clare - I've repeatedly stated my reasons for being quiet, with no evidence to go on i've tried not to jump to conclusions or just point fingers on hunches.

I tried engaging in class early doors and my early comments were ignored, it seems because of my arrival time to class each day a lot of what i would like to say is already said and there's no point in repeating it.

I'm glad you haven't been pming me as it seems a lot of people who spoke to you are dead! By your own admission this seems a little suspicious.

People seem to have problems with me being quiet but there are definitely other students who say less than me!!

What's the point of trotting out meaningless crap! The lack of evidence is hat hampers us the most.

I'm only sure about a couple of people definitely being town to my mind and they know who they are!

I only have suspicions, it's too early for me to cast my vote.

[-obelix-]

Chuckie start talking!

Start talking about what? There is no point... No matter what I say up to date, no one would listen.

I stand by my yesterday's vote, and that is all I have to say for today.

Vote: Claire Standish, (LegoDad)

[Mencot]

I don´t understand, you and Buddy says "nobody listens to us, what we say" ofcourse we listen