Mod: Emerald Night to Flying Scotsman

[Lazarus]

Hello All.

My son has been nagging me for a while to get the EN but i just dislike the look there is a few things that just dont look right. Model looks to stumpy needs to be longer this includes the coaches. Smoke deflectors look just wrong. Also the front face of the boiler looks to big, and lastly the rear wheel under the cab are also bad.

When you put the EN and a model of the Flying scotsman next to each other you can tell this is what they have tryed to copy. But its just not that good a copy like the new Horzion express and the TGV what is a very good copy.

So step one is to make up the EN in LDD and remove some bits i dont like and then work on extending the boiler about 4 studs fixing the front of the boiler. Remove the smoke deflectors fix the wheel under the cab. And maybe do a bit more if i can see any more bits needing changing.

End goal is also to make this into the double tender version of the FS. there is a few diffrent bits on it compaired to the NRM FS. Things that are diffrent are no smoke deflectors. Not a double smoke stack, then there is a few bits difrrent from the US double tender and the UK double tender version. i am going for the UK version so no cow catcher and bells and extra whistle.

From EN

To FS

[Spitfire2865]

The EN doesnt have a double smokestack. I think what you are thinking is a stack is the light in the front. But I hope you succeed. I love the look of the Scotsman.

[Alasdair Ryan]

This is going to great if you manage to turn the Ederald Night into the Flying Scotsman,I wish I could have a ride on the real thing some day.

I have not got into the lego trains yet,but If I did I would defiantly try to make a lego flying Scotsman....

Good luck.

Edited April 19, 2013 by Alasdair Ryan

[Lazarus]

i was meaning there is only a single stack on the two tender version of the FS, where as the current version in the NRM has two stack. the EN has single.

[Spitfire2865]

Oh. I thought you were referring to the EN. Exactly what is the difference between the 2 FS you are talking about? Im not very knowledgeable on British railroading. Though American I know slightly more. xD

[Lazarus]

NRM > is the state the national railway museum bought the loco in a while ago. What was Pea green with smoke deflectors and dual smoke stacks.

The version I am making is the version that went to the US and Oz a long time ago as it never really needed a water tender in the UK. But this is the version i found looks the best.

In nz we see most of our steam trains these day have a water wagon/dual tender due to the fact there is no water supplys around these days. This is the same thing with the FS when it went to the US and OZ. In the uk there is always ample water supplys so there is not need to carry lots of water and no huge long distance between stops like in the US and OZ.

[Alasdair Ryan]

Oh. I thought you were referring to the EN. Exactly what is the difference between the 2 FS you are talking about? Im not very knowledgeable on British railroading. Though American I know slightly more. xD

Here is a wiki about the flying Scotsman.

[Spitfire2865]

In the uk there is always ample water supplys so there is not need to carry lots of water and no huge long distance between stops like in the US and OZ.

One thing I remember from my trip to England, Plenty of water, mostly in the form of rain. XD

[Lazarus]

haha

[zephyr1934]

Take this and this and this and this for inspiration... (yeah, the last one isn't the FS, but it uses some building techniques that are transferable)

PS, here's a great brick train that I stumbled on while looking for a few of these links though it is a little off topic.

[Lazarus]

Work so far about 5 hours. Looking ok hard to tell with the missing end but i have exteneded it 3 studs changes the fron buffers and boggie a little and made the body wider by two studs and made the boiler round at the bottom. TIme for bed.

Edited April 19, 2013 by Lazarus

[Electricsteam]

Work so far about 5 hours. Looking ok hard to tell with the missing end but i have exteneded it 3 studs changes the fron buffers and boggie a little and made the body wider by two studs and made the boiler round at the bottom. TIme for bed.

That 3 studs of length did wonders! I can't wait to see the finished product.

[Lazarus]

Front of the loco all done.

Now to start the tenders.

[Lazarus]

Loco complete

[Spitfire2865]

Very nice, Though the tenders are about 2 bricks short. I would recommend bringing the top of the tenders off to the cab roof level. It would look more accurate to the model you based it off of.

[peterab]

It looks quite good, though the second tender was only used in recent times, due to the removal of much of the infrastructure that supported steam locos. During the steam era there were enough water towers en-route to refill the water tank during the journey.

Most modern photos obviously show two tenders and this is completely appropriate if you wish to run your Flying Scotsman alongside more modern rolling stock.

[Flipz]

I remember being introduced to the Flying Scotsman many years ago now through the Thomas the Tank Engine books. Ah, memories...

I would agree with spitfire2865 that the tenders are a bit short. It also seems from the photo that there should be a 1-stud inset into the front of the coal tender, with what looks like a step or a door of some kind set into it--the coal tender itself seems about a stud short anyway, so this might be a good opportunity to expand it.

Best of luck! Do you eventually plan to build the Scotsman in real brick?

[Lazarus]

agreed with the comments, will rase up the tenders thats an easy do. And you are right about the step into the coal tender i dont think i can push a brick out due to it might not be able to make it though corners in real brick.

And yes i always put my plans into brick i am trying to get this done for my sons 4th bday

[Lazarus]

Updated with above comment changes. They looks a bit stumpy now or its just me, they are already extended by two studs the tenders dont think i will get more out of them with the bogie setup with it looking dumb

[Lazarus]

[zephyr1934]

Nice build, it is amazing how much nicer the EN can be with just a little tweaking. The one thing I'd suggest changing are the rods. The quickest easiest fix would be to replace the 5 long connecting rod (technic half beam) with a 7 long connecting rod.

[Lazarus]

I was looking at getting those custom rods u have in your sig when i get around to building it :-)

[Locomotive Annie]

An amazing contrast to the stock Emerald Night and definitely an improvement. The tenders look better with their height raised to match the cab roof too.

Your son is going to be one lucky four year old

[Sir E Fullner]

Amazing work! Speaking of the Flying Scotsman, her 100th anniversary will be coming up in 10 years. I better put that on my calendar!

[Lazarus]

Thanks for the comments guys. Now if some of you are thinking how am i going to power this. Well at the start i was going to power the tenders but i could not put in my 9v motors without kill the look. So i though i will put it in my Mk1 coaches, as i needed to make these longer and improve on the EN coaches.

So here is the start just the base with two 9v motors, it is 40 studs long so a bit more on the EN one and looks around right size wise with the new size FS.