LegoDad Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 Here's what I came up with. Allison told me that she told Cameron that she claimed her role to him Day 4(Mar 22). Cameron told me in pm that he had a claim of doctor made to him, on Day 2(Mar 13). Now, there are possible scenarios. 1) Allison is lying altogether 2) The original claim to Cameron was a lie, and Allison was the real doctor, and claimed at a later date. Of course, why wouldn't have Cameron outed the original claimer, or Allison at this point? 3) There was a doctor, was killed, and Allison knew the actions, then claimed the role for herself, knowing the first few days info and being able to lie about the rest. Cameron and I were very tight before the Simone crap hit the fan. He told me that the claim was made to him very casually. It is very possible this person claimed to Allison as well, and got night killed, thus allowing the scum to claim the role easily, especially after Cameron was dead, because he knew the real identity of the doctor, or was the doctor himself. Sorry Allison, my vote stays the same. The facts that I have just don't line up for you being the doctor. It is too easy to fake and your results don't mean crap since they can't be proven by anybody else since there is no watcher to see what you're doing. Occam's Razor. "When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better." Others have also taken this as to mean when hypothesizing, you should take out anything that is assumed. In this case, everything is assumed except for what is known, that Cameron had a Doctor Claim 2 Aperture days before Allison claimed to have told Cameron.
Esurient Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 But Lucy, one question for you also, why do you ask me first why I suspect Allison, you don´t question Brian and Claire who were suspicious of Allison yesterday and vote for her and after that change my votewhen Brian asked me to consider it? I asked you first because I was pacing back and forth on you so I need to hear your opinion again. I didn't question Brian or Claire yesterday because I trust them as Town. Allison, your no-evidence-against-me = innocent means nothing. You would need evidence-to-support-you to claim doctor/innocence. Vote: Allison Reynolds (jamesn)
jimmynick Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 It's a fair cop. Vote: Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88)
mostlytechnic Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Well, since jeanie now has 6 votes against her, the best the town can do is get 6 against Alison and hopefully a no-lynch again. Then we'll only lose 1 townie overnight to the scum killer (assuming Brian wasn't the blocker - if the blocker is out there, you probably should block alison tonight since odds are she's the killer). So, those who haven't voted yet NEED to vote alison to tie things up. Anyone have a better plan?
Shadows Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) - 6 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, jamesn) Allison Reynolds (jamesn) - 4 votes (LegoDad, mostlytechnic, badboytje88, Esurient) There are 24 hours left in the day. Cave here. Still dead. Let's not get into that. I have a parable for you, one that I think will inspire and motivate you to reach even greater heights. When you’re making some great science, it helps to keep a positive attitude. Look at Marie Curie. Invented radiology. Won two Nobel prizes. Dumb as a bag of hammers. Thought the light radiation gave off was pretty, walked around with it in bottles. Buried her with a smile on her face. What? No, that wasn't the parable, consider that a history lesson. Now, the lab boys were adamant that I do not give you any hints on these tests. To be honest, they think I'm spoiling the results just by talking to you. Hizenstein Uncertainty Principles and so forth. I’ll give ‘em something more practical to be uncertain about. Their next paycheck. Anyway, overruled. If you think I'm affecting your decisions, in any way, don’t be afraid to speak up. I’m not made of glass. That reminds me: Caroline, Do we have a wing made out of glass yet? Let's get on that. Back to the parable. Who doesn't love a parable? Oh, you in the back, I see that. Don’t eyeball me, son. Don’t snow me. I know an eyeball when I see one. It’s not good, wholesome eye-looking and I won’t stand for it. Eyeballs shouldn’t judge. They just send the information up for the brain to deal with. That’s the job. Get your eyes fixed, son. Caroline. Make appointments with all my engineers for eye surgery. Sign me up for it, too. From now on, everybody’s doing their eye-looking properly. As I was saying, once upon a time there was a scorpion and a frog. The scorpion tells the frog “When I say ‘jump’ I don’t want to hear ‘how high?’ That means you’re not jumping!” Then the frog says “It’s my nature!” Well, be that as it may, we have a lot of tests to do and you are taking a long time on these catwalks and, yes, I broke out of the parable somewhere back there, but the point stands that you need to put some muscle back into your hustle, son. If I was still human, I could literally smell the cake baking and I'm pretty sure a lot of you won't be getting any. What? Fine, it's time for my weekly recalibration, lab boys say my mind is drifting, I keep telling them it's just a side effect of immortality, something they don't understand at all. Maybe I should take up a new hobby for when they die, reanimating the dead. That'll teach them. Cave out.
Hammerstein NWC Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Vote: Davey Osbourne (Mencot) Haven't had time to read the posts today so I'm voting with my gut. Out you go scum!
Mencot Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Occam's Razor. "When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better." Others have also taken this as to mean when hypothesizing, you should take out anything that is assumed. In this case, everything is assumed except for what is known, that Cameron had a Doctor Claim 2 Aperture days before Allison claimed to have told Cameron. Mmm exactly Because this is really strange: "that Cameron had a Doctor Claim 2 Aperture days before Allison claimed to have told Cameron." And it pretty much clear things up who is lying here. (Cave and his example of a parable and his theory, hmm what does it mean does it make any sence or is it one of those just saying moments that doesn´t mean anything for us students? If it means something U think I have something, a feeling I have had from day 2. But then again Cave Johnson is dead and he has nothing to do with this) So I also vote: Vote: Allison Reynolds (jamesn) It will save Jeanie but hopefuly it will save us (town) by being the last scum. If not (and not even being scum) then we are final, Game over, good bye loyal students of Aparture, No cake for you as the teachers put it! Vote: Davey Osbourne (Mencot) Haven't had time to read the posts today so I'm voting with my gut. Out you go scum! Maybe you should read the posts (have you ever read them, by your comments and your own way of doing things, I judge NO) we are a team, help it out! Unless... Ah no more speculations And Bobby, voting like that means you gonna make a townie, Jeanie get lynched. You want to vote like that so that we are down one more town?
badboytje88 Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Vote: Davey Osbourne (Mencot) Haven't had time to read the posts today so I'm voting with my gut. Out you go scum! You'd better start reading and start changing your vote mister.
mostlytechnic Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Haven't had time to read the posts today so I'm voting with my gut. Out you go scum! Really? this late in the game you're going to vote without reading anything? Let me distill it for you. You MUST vote Alison. If you do, we'll have 6 votes on Jeanie and 6 on Alison, so no lynch. If you keep your davey vote, it'll be 6 jeanie, 5 alison, 1 davey, so Jeanie is gone. Either way we're going to lose someone overnight to the scum killer and have 6 or 5 of us left tomorrow. Question (to help me evaluate some past actions)... How much mafia experience does everyone here have? I am a total noob. Never even heard of it before joining the academy. I think Bob is the same. I think I also remember someone saying Jeanie is pretty experienced. How about the rest? Am I right on Bob and Jeanie?
Mencot Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Really? this late in the game you're going to vote without reading anything? Let me distill it for you. You MUST vote Alison. If you do, we'll have 6 votes on Jeanie and 6 on Alison, so no lynch. If you keep your davey vote, it'll be 6 jeanie, 5 alison, 1 davey, so Jeanie is gone. Either way we're going to lose someone overnight to the scum killer and have 6 or 5 of us left tomorrow. Question (to help me evaluate some past actions)... How much mafia experience does everyone here have? I am a total noob. Never even heard of it before joining the academy. I think Bob is the same. I think I also remember someone saying Jeanie is pretty experienced. How about the rest? Am I right on Bob and Jeanie? I am a noob this is my first time in a school like this About Bobby and his last comment, like I said I don´t wanna speculate but what reasons has he why he votes this way 1. Like mary-jane said, he is a newbie at this and doesn´t know how to play, team work is important 2. He is ignorant, doesn´t care and plays his own game 3. He is scum, (if there are 2 left) this is their tactic. He votes on someone else than Allison, jeanie is out, followed by a night kill => 2 towines out This is just speculation, I wanna hear your reasons Bobby why you don´t read the day thread, hey there have not been many comments today so it doesn´t take up much time, geez whatever dude
LegoDad Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Well, it's very simple. If Jeannie comes up town, Bobby will move right up to the top of the expel list with Allison. Bobby, give us your reasoning besides laziness for voting Davey over Allison, who has been pretty much caught for lying about her role.
mostlytechnic Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Well, it's very simple. If Jeannie comes up town, Bobby will move right up to the top of the expel list with Allison. Bobby, give us your reasoning besides laziness for voting Davey over Allison, who has been pretty much caught for lying about her role. +1 (though based on his post, I think the sole reason was lazy - didn't know about the allison situation since he didn't READ BEFORE VOTING) I also sent him a PM as soon as I saw his vote giving him the TL;DR version of things and telling him to change vote. We'll see....
Mencot Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 This doesn´t look good now (though based on his post, I think the sole reason was lazy - didn't know about the allison situation since he didn't READ BEFORE VOTING) I also sent him a PM as soon as I saw his vote giving him the TL;DR version of things and telling him to change vote. We'll see.... yea but he has been only around 3:50 pm so he has seen mine comment at 11:49 AM, jeanies at 02:31 PM and your at 03:01 PM. So i think he has made up his mind. Has anyone seen Lucy?
Darkdragon Posted April 23, 2013 Author Posted April 23, 2013 Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) - 6 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, jamesn) Davey Osborne (Mencot) - 1 votes (Hammerstein NWC) Allison Reynolds (jamesn) - 5 votes (LegoDad, mostlytechnic, badboytje88, Esurient, Mencot) There are 7 hours left in the day.
badboytje88 Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Ow crap to be honest, if Bob is town, then this move is an even bigger Facepalm than me forgetting to vote yesterday! I pm'd him a couple of hours ago but I too didn't get a reply.
LegoDad Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 If you are both town, then I don't frigging know what to do. I mean, holy crap, we are down to the end, have spent countless hours on this, and could possibly lose the game because someone is too lazy to read. This is with the assumption that Bob is town, which I'm believing less and less, as I had a low belief in him in the first place. You know what, I don't even buy "lazy" at this point. The guy is scum. We know who the last two are. It is right in front of our faces.
Mencot Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 If you are both town, then I don't frigging know what to do. I mean, holy crap, we are down to the end, have spent countless hours on this, and could possibly lose the game because someone is too lazy to read. This is with the assumption that Bob is town, which I'm believing less and less, as I had a low belief in him in the first place. You know what, I don't even buy "lazy" at this point. The guy is scum. We know who the last two are. It is right in front of our faces. Yea, that doesn´t help us much today, we gonna lose jeanie (if not Bobby gets of his lazy megablocks and proves to us he is town) and another one at night. Then tomorrow we will be 3 vs 2!
mostlytechnic Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 but 3 vs 2 can still win... And you all know I've been one of Bob's biggest supporters, telling people I trust him when many don't. Well, that's over. According to his EB profile, he's been on today, just an hour ago in fact. So the fact that he hasn't come back or responded to any of our messages, well, he's outta here tomorrow. But hey, to save jeanie - what if we all switch our votes to davey? We COULD tie it up again! I'm not going to yet just in case bob comes back, but I will be online later tonight and can switch if everyone else does. End of day is about 11pm my time, so I can easily be back to check on things right before the end of the day.
LegoDad Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) EDITED, had to. Give me my penalty votes. Edited April 24, 2013 by LegoDad
Shadows Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 EDITED, had to. Give me my penalty votes. Don't edit your posts. Violation of the above rules will result in a 5-vote penalty against you on your first offense, and the death of your character on your second offense. Accordingly, Claire Standish (LegoDad) has received a 5 vote penalty. Any further violation will result in immediate death. Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) - 6 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, jamesn) Davey Osborne (Mencot) - 1 votes (Hammerstein NWC) Allison Reynolds (jamesn) - 5 votes (LegoDad, mostlytechnic, badboytje88, Esurient, Mencot) Claire Standish (LegoDad) - 5 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty) However, as a majority was reached since the last update, Jeanie Bueller will be expelled. You may continue to discuss the situation, but no further votes are allowed.
mostlytechnic Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Sorry to see you go, Jeanie. We were trying to save you with a tie but Bob screwed us (and you). Anything to say before you leave?
LegoDad Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Hmm.......had I known that the day was going to end early anyway, I sure as heck wouldn't have edited my comment, but I saw it as a way to help the town and even the vote to save Jeannie. I hope our headmasters understand. I'm fully aware of the rules and was trying to use them to the town's advantage. I doubt it would be the first time someone tried that.
jimmynick Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Clever! I guess I'm really getting the boot tomorrow, though. Nothing I can do will convince you, will it?
Darkdragon Posted April 24, 2013 Author Posted April 24, 2013 Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) - 6 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, jamesn) Davey Osborne (Mencot) - 1 votes (Hammerstein NWC) Allison Reynolds (jamesn) - 5 votes (LegoDad, mostlytechnic, badboytje88, Esurient, Mencot) Claire Standish (LegoDad) - 5 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty) Day 10 has ended. A majority has voted for Jeanie Bueller (badboytje88) to be expelled. The results of this expulsion will be revealed tomorrow. Day 10 is over and this post will now be locked. You have exactly 24 Hours from this post to submit your night actions. No late actions will be accepted.
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