Harriet Slutter and the Philosopher's Balls: Chapter 2

[Nicholas Dickory]

Wo! Back up a bit there ... They? Who's they? Are there more than one vig?

This statement is weird, very weird! Why do you refer to the vig as a plural entity?

I'm using the singular they? Much easier than saying he/she/it, don't you agree?

[Boris Biddlesdorf]

I think the theory that Wang used his curse to get Krup out of trouble is bunk. Not quite as bad as "interludes tell us who has night actions" Krup's theory but still bunk.

Basically, you guys think this because Wang chose Snarky instead of Krup for the gladiatorial match up. I think momentum had cooled for Krup's lynch before the point Wang used the curse. If he saved anyone, it was himself.

I really don't think we can determine if either is scum based on the affiliation of the other. I do think the if Krup had anyone on his team, he'd say smarter things.

I'm still on the fence about Wang, though. I'd still place even money that he's town. I'll have to do some research and thinking before placing a vote but it's still early yet.

Wang just saved his own butt,

Krup strikes me as a dim nut.

[Wong Wang]

Wang just saved his own butt,

Krup strikes me as a dim nut.

You have it right, my friend.

[Nicholas Dickory]

He isn't. "They" is the vig. They can be referred to as one person if it is an unknown person. For example, when Flabflom died, we can refer to the killer as "they" if we were to say "It seems that Flabflom was killed. I wonder why they killed him", which doesn't necessarily imply that the killer was the scum team, but could be the vigilante. So, when he said "they" he meant the vig, implying that he was wondering if "they" (the vig) knew something we didn't. I can see where you got confused, but it's a pretty common way to use the word "they" in scenarios like these. Now stay away from me, I think you've contracted stupiditis.

See? What did I tell you, Purplonia?

[Firuz Foxtail]

I'm not exactly sure who to vote for. I've talked with Drumudgelous privately and I've come to a conclusion that he's a vanilla townie. As for Wong Wang, I think he's a scared townie, but I find him upsetting because of the action he has.

What if there's a chance that he's able to use the gladiator curse again? We weren't exactly confirmed that it was a one shot action. What if he's able to manipulate the vote every day? Therefore, I:

Vote: Wong Wang

I've never seen such an action used before so I'm not sure what the precedent is. All I know is that he caused the death of a townie yesterday and he's been odd today.

This sounds scummy. Why vote for someone who you think is town, when our aim is to outnumber the scum? I don't see how this is going to help us do that. Do you really believe someone would be given the ability to manipulate the vote everyday? You dropped off the radar yesterday, but this puts you firmly back on the list.

What did Durmudgelous say to you in private to make you believe he is town? Paraphrased, of course. He's barely been around today and only made a couple of posts about last night's kills. He hasn't added anything to the discussion today to help us find the scum.

I said I was inclined to believe he was town. I also said I wasn't sure. What changed? Well, first of all, Snarky is dead and was town. That alone changes the situation quite a bit, don't you think? Also, I didn't know much about the gladiator back then, and I've been thinking about the role a bit, how the town would use it and how the scum would use it. In general, I started to look at the role from a different perspective and came to the conclusion, if I was a scum gladiator, that's exactly how I'd use the role.

This is the reason that I am leaning towards Wong being scum. It makes a lot more sense to me for scum to use this spell early on when we're all still confused about who's who and no-one trust anyone 100%. To hold off using it would be riskier the longer you wait

Yes, it was a risk and one I was willing to take.

One-line responses like this aren't helping his case either.

On the other hand, Wong might be a selfish townie, who may have gotten some bad advice:

If he does flip scum, I'd just like to say that I'm very sorry for encouraging him to claim in-thread so he wouldn't be lynched after he claimed to me via potato message (yes, yesterday was partly my fault ).

Was this before or after he cast the spell?

Sorry, I got kind of confused writing that. I've had confuseditis a lot lately. I meant it seems to make sense as an OE/scum action, but at the same time, I saw it as very unlikely to be an OE/scum action, so I am a bit torn on voting for Wong, because even though I can see how the action fits as scum, I have a hard time seeing how it would be a scum action in this game. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't so right now I'll cast my vote towards somebody who hasn't been talking a lot. This vote is just to get them talking, and I will unvote when they are talking both more frequently, and when I am more-so convinced as of now that Wong is an Odor Eater. This person has talked today, but not a lot that I have noticed.

Vote: Firuz Foxtail

You're right that I haven't talked much, but I am very much here to find the scum.

Vote: Ariattny Sugarbottom

Some things you have said are a little... interesting... I"m voting for you to see what becomes of this. I know I'm town, and I know people don't believe me. But there are bigger things here than me (well, except for my wang).

Can you elaborate on what Ariattny had said that you find interesting?

Wo! Back up a bit there ... They? Who's they? Are there more than one vig?

This statement is weird, very weird! Why do you refer to the vig as a plural entity?

I don't understand the purpose of this. As others have already pointed out, it's acceptable use of "they" in this context.

[Helena Hippopaw]

I said I was inclined to believe he was town. I also said I wasn't sure. What changed? Well, first of all, Snarky is dead and was town. That alone changes the situation quite a bit, don't you think? Also, I didn't know much about the gladiator back then, and I've been thinking about the role a bit, how the town would use it and how the scum would use it. In general, I started to look at the role from a different perspective and came to the conclusion, if I was a scum gladiator, that's exactly how I'd use the role.

Snarky being town doens'T matter about Wang's being town. Were we saying yesterday "if Snarky is town, Wang is scum?" Everyone wants to lynch Wang, who is as much of a townie today as yessterday. It's kind of amazing so many people changed their minds so quickly, based on the same evidence.. It might be historical.

And by the way, where is Gertrude? Where is Belinda?

[Barkonius Twitch]

Gertrude Tincanchewer or whatever her name is has been gunning for Krup since Day One, and while everyone else has cooled down on him, she still guns for him very happily. She has also placed a vote for Wang. I personally still don't see why Wang is more guilty today than he is yesterday. You all voted for Snarky over him, but now that Snarky is town, you vote for Wang? That doesn't really make sense, totally, it wasn't really that one or the other was scummy. Attrianny would ping me, but I think she is just an aggressive townie gunning for the wrong person.

I know I'm speaking rather eclectically here, and that while I am cautioning against targeting Wong (that action still seems town to me, and furthermore I doubt a scum would have used it so quickly) I'm failing to produce another target.

I'll strike out in my own direction, then, and offer up my suspect: Rutherford HablabbleBibble. Rutherford votes for Krup with the reasoning of "he shouldn't be let off the hook" even though he was let off the hook today. More importantly, however, is the implication and timing of this vote. Rutherford voted for Krup after Wong has been essentially convicted - tomorrow when (if) Wang flips town, he can pull an old "told you so".

Vote: Rutherford HablabbleBibble. I wouldn't say I'm sold, but I'm far less sold on Wang and Krup being scum.

[Twatty Tittlesteen]

My vote will stay on Firuz for now. He didn't even try to defend himself when I called him out for being quiet.

"Herp a derp, I might be quiet, but trust me, I'm still here to help the town. Herp a derpy derp derp".

-Firuz Fox

How reassuring, Firuz.

*Firuz Foxtail

[Rutherford HablabbleBibble]

I'll strike out in my own direction, then, and offer up my suspect: Rutherford HablabbleBibble. Rutherford votes for Krup with the reasoning of "he shouldn't be let off the hook" even though he was let off the hook today. More importantly, however, is the implication and timing of this vote. Rutherford voted for Krup after Wong has been essentially convicted - tomorrow when (if) Wang flips town, he can pull an old "told you so".

Vote: Rutherford HablabbleBibble. I wouldn't say I'm sold, but I'm far less sold on Wang and Krup being scum.

You do realize that with your line of your thinking, that makes you look suspicious too, because you're doing the exact same thing?

The reason I'm not voting for Wong is because I still think he's town. Just because my opinion differs from the majority of voters doesn't mean I'm doing it because I'll be able to say "I told you so" tomorrow. I'm doing it because I think Krup is scum and Wong isn't - I'm not going to sheep along with what everyone else thinks to maintain a low-key image. That's what scum are for. In addition to dressing up in scooby black duds and crow masks.

[Purplonia Pink]

I never said you had to vote yet, I was just asking why you didn't vote for Wong when you sound like you're incredibly sure he's scum. Just a general misunderstanding. And I voted for Firuz. Catalina pretty much summed up my thoughts too.

He isn't. "They" is the vig. They can be referred to as one person if it is an unknown person. For example, when Flabflom died, we can refer to the killer as "they" if we were to say "It seems that Flabflom was killed. I wonder why they killed him", which doesn't necessarily imply that the killer was the scum team, but could be the vigilante. So, when he said "they" he meant the vig, implying that he was wondering if "they" (the vig) knew something we didn't. I can see where you got confused, but it's a pretty common way to use the word "they" in scenarios like these. Now stay away from me, I think you've contracted stupiditis.

To me the sentence does not read in that sense; maybe because English is not my mother tongue.

Thanks for stepping up and justifying Dickory's post though!

[Catalina Kittywhisker]

Attrianny would ping me, but I think she is just an aggressive townie gunning for the wrong person.

I agree that her aggression makes her seem more Townie. Although while we're on the subject of "I told you so" votes, she did unvote Snarky towards the end yesterday and then she was hesitant to vote off Wong today. And the more and more people are saying that they think Wong is Penis but are still voting him makes me think that they know more than others do. It's making me regret my vote for Wong even though he does still appear scummy to me.

[Purplonia Pink]

I'm using the singular they? Much easier than saying he/she/it, don't you agree?

After re-reading the post, I see that now!

[Twatty Tittlesteen]

Well, It's pretty clear Firuz won't be talking a lot regardless, so I might as well Unvote: Firuz Foxtail

Now, who do I vote for? I'm pretty sure Wong is town, but I'm actually considering voting for him so we can truly find out whether his curse was an OotP Curse or an OE curse. I will say, though, that I won't be surprised if he turns up town. If he turns up scum, then maybe we should look into Durm again. Wong could easily be lying about trying to save himself, because honestly, resetting the votes doesn't mean he is saving himself, especially if he is forced to put himself up as a lynch target. That puts him at a higher risk. The fact that he put up somebody who wasn't seeming quite as scummy as Durmudgelous, which also saved Durm, otherwise known as Mr. Flaily McLierPants, mixed with the fact that Durm managed to survive the night, makes me a bit wary. Perhaps our vig is a moron, and the scum are keeping Durm, a confusing person regardless of his affiliation, to make us go bananas, which I learned how to spell from a hit singer, Gwyneth Stepharnie.

And with that, I'm less sure about Wong being town, and I can see him being equally scum as town.

Vote: Wong Wang

The following People are also making "fluff" posts, which tend to just be following what others say, or have little to no substance in them. These aren't people we should worry about today, but definitely keep an eye out for.

Timly Dimblebop

Firuz Foxtail

Lulu Pittoolo

Purplonia Pink

[Firuz Foxtail]

I know I'm speaking rather eclectically here, and that while I am cautioning against targeting Wong (that action still seems town to me, and furthermore I doubt a scum would have used it so quickly) I'm failing to produce another target.

As I said before, I am leaning towards Wong being scum and this is based in part on my reasoning that scum have more incentive to use such a spell early on. I'm holding off on my vote because I'm not totally convinced of my own logic and there are others I want to hear from (including Durmudgelous and Godric). I'd like to understand why you think they wouldn't use it so quickly.

My vote will stay on Firuz for now. He didn't even try to defend himself when I called him out for being quiet.

Well, It's pretty clear Firuz won't be talking a lot regardless, so I might as well Unvote: Firuz Foxtail

I'm not sure what else I could have added to my response, since the only thing you accused me of was being quiet. There was also more in my post than just my response to you. Maybe I should post each question and contribution individually to up my post count?

[Barkonius Twitch]

I move that a scum would never use that spell at all.

[Twatty Tittlesteen]

Firuz, your post count isn't what's bugging me. It's what little substance your posts have that's worrying me. Honestly, you can't be all "You only accused me of being quiet" then disappear. Your last post has probably had the most substance that you've shown overall, asking people these questions. I guess I can applaud you for that. However, your gentle reassurance isn't going to convince anybody that you're trying to be helpful. You should be adding things to the conversation. Keep up what you're doing and you will ultimately get yourself lynched. You're making yourself look scummier by the minute, and though you aren't today's focus, you will be the focus of the day in a few days if you don't start shaping up and being active enough to contribute and convince myself and the others that you are truly here to help, and not bring us down.

[Durmudgelous Krup]

Well, It's pretty clear Firuz won't be talking a lot regardless, so I might as well Unvote: Firuz Foxtail

Now, who do I vote for? I'm pretty sure Wong is town, but I'm actually considering voting for him so we can truly find out whether his curse was an OotP Curse or an OE curse. I will say, though, that I won't be surprised if he turns up town. If he turns up scum, then maybe we should look into Durm again. Wong could easily be lying about trying to save himself, because honestly, resetting the votes doesn't mean he is saving himself, especially if he is forced to put himself up as a lynch target. That puts him at a higher risk. The fact that he put up somebody who wasn't seeming quite as scummy as Durmudgelous, which also saved Durm, otherwise known as Mr. Flaily McLierPants, mixed with the fact that Durm managed to survive the night, makes me a bit wary. Perhaps our vig is a moron, and the scum are keeping Durm, a confusing person regardless of his affiliation, to make us go bananas, which I learned how to spell from a hit singer, Gwyneth Stepharnie.

And with that, I'm less sure about Wong being town, and I can see him being equally scum as town.

Vote: Wong Wang

It makes sense to say Wong is trying to save his own butt. Town or scum, he is trying to save his own butt.

I should say given Day 1's fiasco, the vote on me seemed very unfavorable to me.

For the tide to turn over to Wong, or anyone else, would cause panic, Town or Scum regardless.

If Wong is Town, it would be a complete waste to be lynched without casting his spell, since he is a PR. So he had to reset the votes regardless. Is that a wise thing to cast it before observing how the votes turn out (because I did not cast my vote at that point and not everyone has voted)? I guess no.

If Wong is Scum, he has to cast it regardless and claim Town. For a scum to die on Day 1 would be a massive loss for the scum. Why not take the risk? And if he really flips scum, you guys would say he did that to save me and would drive a lynch on me. Fair enough. Exchange a town for scummy Wong? That's a pretty good deal I would say.

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If you want anything substantial to go about other than Wong, have a look at Gertude.

Day 1

Why would I need to defend myself? The worst suspicion I've gotten was a sarcastic Ping from Boris and a grumpy remark from Barkonius. I never called you out for defending yourself in PMs, I called you both out because she unvoted you for a defense you made that apparently didn't make sense. Stop putting words in my mouth, I find enough things to chew on without other people feeding me. Scum.

So it is apparent that Day 1 is already a burden for you. Perhaps you might have something else to attend besides the Day thread? And what are you busy chewing on? Since we aren't allowed to make OOC posts and you are not penalized for it, I take it as you slipped.

Day 2

Hey, stupid. Surprised to see you here this morning, guess our vig is incompetent or was blocked. Way to go, reading into joke interludes while subtly incriminating me at the same time! "Herp a derp, I bet Gertrude has a real good night action because she appeared in an interlude! Someone should totes kill her!" I guess you being next to a toilet in today's interlude must mean you're an Odor eater, because toilets are stinky, and Odor Eaters eat stink.

This is the first post you have made in Day 2 and if Mr Stuped (or whatever you wish to name me) can see that this is the scummiest post so far in Day 2, then you are Mr Scum. And perhaps you are so busy tending to other matters that you couldn't even differentiate me and Nervick Longastley?

Does this answer your question? I think that Wang is probably scum who Gladiatored to take pressure off Krup and put it onto Snarky when things turned south, then claimed immediately to establish Town cred due to Gladiator being more statistically likely to be Town than Scum. By that theory, they're both Scum, so I'll let you guys drive this bandwagon and I'll Vote: Wong Wang as long as you promise me that Krup gets lynched tomorrow if the vig is still not getting his head in the game.

Instead of actively participating in discussions, I have observed that you are only doing the bare minimum. You only reply to those that talked to you. You are not finding scum. That is not Town behavior. Whatever you are doing out here, is called scum flying under the radar.

So you just joined the bandwagon. I would have expected you to vote for me instead for Wong. And it seemed to me that the reason you have for voting Wong is to cover up your inactivity in the Day thread and you threatened the Town again that everyone should vote for me tomorrow.

By calling the Town to vote for me, you have inevitably slipped up again. It seemed to me that you are covering up for your busy double life and if Town votes for me today/tomorrow, you can essentially not contribute at all.

Apparently there is too much you can chew and you can't handle the double life you are leading right now.

[Purplonia Pink]

I move that a scum would never use that spell at all.

Seconded!

Sorry for my 'fluff' post, I was busy with moggul school an my mind was elsewhere for the better part of the day; mu schedule is now cleared up though!

I find it concerning that so many of you are willing to lynch wong even though a portion of you are also indicating you think he is town; why? Why lynch someone that you think may be scum?

Edit: may be town!

Sorry!

[Langston Lionheart]

I move that a scum would never use that spell at all.

Why? If it's a role that is available to the scum (well, assuming it might be in this life), then it must have a use for them, which it (again assuming he's scum) did, saving his life. I can see this as both a townie using it (rather hastily) to save his life or a scum using the opportunity to help clear his name. It's difficult to tell (well, at least from my analysis of Wong), so the lynch is the best tool (barring an investigation) to figure it out.

A lot of people seem to be wishy washy on Wong and keep flipping town/scum/scum/town except a few who are more convinced that he's scum and some who are more convinced he's town. Just an interesting observation.

Looking around, I see that Orisie Kettleboildoubleandtrouble is quite removed today. Makes a beginning post commenting how bad yesterday was, "Snarky why have you forsaken us", and comments on who killed who. He doesn't come back until voting time and votes for Wang...under the easy reasoning that Wong has the wrong potato. And that's it from Orion so far today. Looking back at day one, he also didn't have much to say in the first half of the day, but contributed a little bit...Again, beginning post and then makes his vote (though certainly one with more substance than today's, and actually his largest contribution thus far this game). Subsequent posts aren't too substantive, though we do see at least a little opinion from him. He's a bit washy on Krup, votes for him (while also voicing suspicion on Snarky), but later is unsure, and eventually switches to Snarky, pre-provocarus spell. Votes again for Snarky, doubts Wongsters fakeclaimed the gladiator role, and saying the use of the gladiator role on Day 1 "one of the dumbest moves you can make". Somewhat suspicious about his thoughts on Snarky. Today, though, we've seen less from him...maybe he'll be more vocal the later half of the day than the first.

[Gertrude Tincanchew]

It makes sense to say Wong is trying to save his own butt. Town or scum, he is trying to save his own butt.

I should say given Day 1's fiasco, the vote on me seemed very unfavorable to me.

For the tide to turn over to Wong, or anyone else, would cause panic, Town or Scum regardless.

If Wong is Town, it would be a complete waste to be lynched without casting his spell, since he is a PR. So he had to reset the votes regardless. Is that a wise thing to cast it before observing how the votes turn out (because I did not cast my vote at that point and not everyone has voted)? I guess no.

If Wong is Scum, he has to cast it regardless and claim Town. For a scum to die on Day 1 would be a massive loss for the scum. Why not take the risk? And if he really flips scum, you guys would say he did that to save me and would drive a lynch on me. Fair enough. Exchange a town for scummy Wong? That's a pretty good deal I would say.

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If you want anything substantial to go about other than Wong, have a look at Gertude.

Day 1

So it is apparent that Day 1 is already a burden for you. Perhaps you might have something else to attend besides the Day thread? And what are you busy chewing on? Since we aren't allowed to make OOC posts and you are not penalized for it, I take it as you slipped.

Day 2

This is the first post you have made in Day 2 and if Mr Stuped (or whatever you wish to name me) can see that this is the scummiest post so far in Day 2, then you are Mr Scum. And perhaps you are so busy tending to other matters that you couldn't even differentiate me and Nervick Longastley?

Instead of actively participating in discussions, I have observed that you are only doing the bare minimum. You only reply to those that talked to you. You are not finding scum. That is not Town behavior. Whatever you are doing out here, is called scum flying under the radar.

So you just joined the bandwagon. I would have expected you to vote for me instead for Wong. And it seemed to me that the reason you have for voting Wong is to cover up your inactivity in the Day thread and you threatened the Town again that everyone should vote for me tomorrow.

By calling the Town to vote for me, you have inevitably slipped up again. It seemed to me that you are covering up for your busy double life and if Town votes for me today/tomorrow, you can essentially not contribute at all.

Apparently there is too much you can chew and you can't handle the double life you are leading right now.

If you think I made the scummiest post today, you obviously haven't been listening to the words coming out of your own mouth. First, before I even get to your baseless accusations of me, you have already said something stupid. "Exchange a Town for a scummy Wong? Sounds like a good deal to me." NO. Do you even hear the shit you are spewing? One for one Town-Mafia trades are never good for the Mafia. Nevernevernever. I honestly think you're being stupid on purpose because there is no way someone who passed Mafia School could be this obtuse.

Then your first point against me... Is that I was role playing? My name is Gertrude Tincanchew for a reason. I chew on things. I was incorporating role play into my attacks on you, was that not obvious enough for you? Maybe you need glasses. I didn't say I have enough to chew on, as in a metaphor for being busy, I meant that I literally chew things. You should try reading some of my other posts, I think I've chewed on something in st least three of them if you count my confirmation post.

Not finding scum? Did a pretty good job finding you, didn't I? If I take pressure off of you and apply it to other people, it's obvious that your stupid facade will trick them into letting you derp away back to your scumbuddies. It was happening yesterday. It's happening today. You deserve a lynch, so I will make sure you get one.

And your third point is that I'm bandwagoning while threatening the town in order to fly under the radar. I don't even wut? I voted for Wang because a lynch for you is unlikely today due to the attention Wang brought onto himself yesterday. It would be fruitless for me to try to shift the lynch onto you, so why should I if I think Wang is scum, too? One scum is as good as another to me, my world doesn't revolve around you. I just caught you first. My theory is logical: Two scum (that's you and Wang, if you can't figure it out) already have heat turned up on them, so Wang Glaiators himself and a scummy Penis. He claims immediately to gain Town cred, which simultaneously puts him in good with the town players and distracts attention from you, giving you more time to live. It would be a good plan. Also, I certainly threatened the Town very well. "Ooh, if you don't vote for Krup, I won't vote for the guy who's probably going to be lynched anyway! That'll teach you!" Great going, Einstein.

Finally, you point out my obvious slip up. Oh dear. How could I have been so foolish as to rally the town towards a lynch on the scummiest guy around? Only evil people think to lynch the obvious scum! If I wanted to be Town, I should act more like you, by misspelling the word "stuped" and making random accusations based on joke interludes and roleplaying while also cluttering day threads with pointless posts made of only crap and fluff. You've caught me! Lynch me now, for I must be Scum!

Now, you probably made that post just to bait me into unvoting Wang and voting for you, both spreading the votes more thinly so as to help avoid a lynch on you or your scumbuddy while also giving you cannon fire against me, namely wishy-washy voting. Bravo, actually. I am legitimately impressed by your subtlety. Unfortunately, while I am aggressively pursuing you, my tunnel vision doesn't blind me to completely. I have a brain, I intend to use it.

[Hinckley]

Interlude

vote tally

Drubulum Pank: 5 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty)

Ariattny Sugarbottom: 6 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, Wong Wang)

Orion Kettleboil: 5 votes (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty)

Wong Wang: 12 votes (Drubulum Pank, Lulu Pittoolo, Belinda Bugglesby, Godric Goaty-Blather, Orion Kettleboil, Timly Dimplebop, Bartholomew Bearbutt, Gertrude Tincanchew, Catalina Kittywhisker, Ariattny Sugarbottom, Langston Lionheart, Twatty Tittlesteen)

Timly Dimplebop: 1 vote (Helena Hippopaw)

Durmudgelous Krup: 2 votes (Nicholas Dickory, Rutherford Hablabble-Bibble)

Rutherford Hablabble-Bibble: 1 vote (Barkonius Twitch)

24 26 hours remain in Day Two.

[Bartholomew Bearbutt]

Some things you have said are a little... interesting... I"m voting for you to see what becomes of this. I know I'm town, and I know people don't believe me. But there are bigger things here than me (well, except for my wang).

Everyone "knows" their town, scum included. You have to convince us youre town and you havent done that yesterday or today. I still haven't seen an answer to my questions. Why did you not claim before using the curse and what made you change your opinoin on Snarky overnight?

Does this answer your question? I think that Wang is probably scum who Gladiatored to take pressure off Krup and put it onto Snarky when things turned south, then claimed immediately to establish Town cred due to Gladiator being more statistically likely to be Town than Scum. By that theory, they're both Scum, so I'll let you guys drive this bandwagon and I'll Vote: Wong Wang as long as you promise me that Krup gets lynched tomorrow if the vig is still not getting his head in the game.

If Wong would flip town does that clear Krup in your eyes? As Boris also says, I dont think we can conclude that. So if you think Krup is scum I think you should still vote for him today.

At the beginning of the day, I was still quite sure Wong was OotP, based on his action, but now I'm not too sure? Based on what Ariattny has said, I am now more willing to question his integrity? I'm not totally convinced he is a stinky Odor Eater just yet, but who's to say he's not a third party?

The gladiator action doesn't make a lot of sense to have for a third party in my eyes. You sound very wishywahsy on Wong, almost as if you know if he's a penis or an odor eater and dont want to vote for him.

I find it concerning that so many of you are willing to lynch wong even though a portion of you are also indicating you think he is town; why? Why lynch someone that you think may be scum?

Edit: may be town!

Sorry!

I agree with you when your talking about animals like Godric who votes for Wong even though he says he thinks hes a penis, but a penis can never be sure someone is an odor eater. Do you know he will flip penis tomorrow? Who do you suggest we lynch instaed?

Where did Godric go after his scummy vote for Wong? And I havent seen Orion since he seemed to have slipped up by asking Wong if he's a penis just like "her" instead of "we".

Love in an elevaaatooor, living it up when I'm going down! Love in an elevaaatooor, loving it up til I hit the ground!

[Dillpickle Catterweed]

I think the theory that Wang used his curse to get Krup out of trouble is bunk. Not quite as bad as "interludes tell us who has night actions" Krup's theory but still bunk.

Basically, you guys think this because Wang chose Snarky instead of Krup for the gladiatorial match up. I think momentum had cooled for Krup's lynch before the point Wang used the curse. If he saved anyone, it was himself.

Tis true, the only crumbly fig-toed wrattle who, towards the end of open voting, continued the case agin Krup was Gertrude.

For my part, I am concern-ed with regards to how quickly the bandwagon hath gained the crumpled scraps of paper upon which votes have been cast by those that were so eager yesterday to declare Wong town simply due to his role claim. Wong is either OotP or OE. The idea that hath been presented that Wong may be a neutral party doth seem ridiculous to me. Gladiator is not a role that wouldst strike me as being of any value to a neutral. I do believeth, if there is such a thing as belief in these matters, that Wong's Provocarus Curse usage is consistent with how a scum might use it. The unfortunate fact of the matter, is that the only usage of it that would have confirmed Wong as either OotP or OE wouldst have been if Snarky had been an OE. That Snarky was town has left us further in the dark.

As for the matter of Krup, both Helena (Day 1) and Godric (earlier today) have now gone on record as declaring their belief that Krup is right standing, based on discussions held in secret. That is enough to convince me to leave Krup to the OotP night actions.

Yet I would like to pursue this further:

Vote: Wong Wang

If he does flip scum, I'd just like to say that I'm very sorry for encouraging him to claim in-thread so he wouldn't be lynched after he claimed to me via potato message (yes, yesterday was partly my fault ).

Orion, what was the nature of how Wong came to claim to thee in private. Thou were not among those who were most active in casting accusations towards him. In fact, thou had cast thy vote first for Krup, and then for Snarky. It does seem odd that Wong wouldst seek advice from one such as thee. Tis common for one to seek to absolve themselves in private with an accuser, but thou were not such a foe.

[Ariattny Sugarbottom]

It doesn't really sound like you think all that differently. You seem to insist that he is scum, almost. And I hate to be rude, but you didn't need to even check the most recent tally. You could have just looked at my last few posts to see where I voted. It's almost as if you're tunneled onto Wong that you aren't really paying attention to anything else.

I also am noticing that Arriatny is acting very wishy-washty towards Wong. She says that this isn't looking very good for Wong, saying that he is scum, and that he's looking scummier, but then suddenly changes her mind and says that he's a stupid townie. So which one is he, Arriatny? Scum or dumb? You're actually making an itty-bitty "Ping" noise in the back of my head.

So I assumed the tally as given to us by the host was correct. What is the problem? And I am not a 100% sure. If that makes me wishy-washy, okay.

You have it right, my friend.

Instead of posts like this, could you respond to your accusations?

I agree that her aggression makes her seem more Townie. Although while we're on the subject of "I told you so" votes, she did unvote Snarky towards the end yesterday and then she was hesitant to vote off Wong today. And the more and more people are saying that they think Wong is Penis but are still voting him makes me think that they know more than others do. It's making me regret my vote for Wong even though he does still appear scummy to me.

I was hesistant to vote of Snarky too. What is the chance one of two people, one picked by the other, one of them is scum? As I said yesterday, there was a very, very good chance both of them are town. You are not making much sense here, for not seeing that.

I move that a scum would never use that spell at all.

Why? Especially since it was pushed greatly by quite a few people that it was only a town thing. While it wasn't certain to be that at all.

Seconded!

Sorry for my 'fluff' post, I was busy with moggul school an my mind was elsewhere for the better part of the day; mu schedule is now cleared up though!

I find it concerning that so many of you are willing to lynch wong even though a portion of you are also indicating you think he is town; why? Why lynch someone that you think may be scum?

Edit: may be town!

Sorry!

May everyone not be town or scum? Except myself I am not convinced of anyone myself. It's about who you think is most likely to be scum, not who MUST be scum, since (most of us) won't be able to say that.

I also think it's hilarious some people accuse me for being too aggresive, while others accuse me of being hesistant. Surely I am neither.

*Accuse me OF being too aggressive.

[Helena Hippopaw]

Tis true, the only crumbly fig-toed wrattle who, towards the end of open voting, continued the case agin Krup was Gertrude.

For my part, I am concern-ed with regards to how quickly the bandwagon hath gained the crumpled scraps of paper upon which votes have been cast by those that were so eager yesterday to declare Wong town simply due to his role claim. Wong is either OotP or OE. The idea that hath been presented that Wong may be a neutral party doth seem ridiculous to me. Gladiator is not a role that wouldst strike me as being of any value to a neutral. I do believeth, if there is such a thing as belief in these matters, that Wong's Provocarus Curse usage is consistent with how a scum might use it. The unfortunate fact of the matter, is that the only usage of it that would have confirmed Wong as either OotP or OE wouldst have been if Snarky had been an OE. That Snarky was town has left us further in the dark.

As for the matter of Krup, both Helena (Day 1) and Godric (earlier today) have now gone on record as declaring their belief that Krup is right standing, based on discussions held in secret. That is enough to convince me to leave Krup to the OotP night actions.

About Krup, I can only go with my gut on him. He kept asking me what he needed to do to make me believe him, and i kept saying for him to do it in thread. At one point, he was a big vote leader, and I said if he had a PR role, he needed to claim, and he said he couldn't, because he was vanilla. I'm sure, if he is scum, he'll lie about his role. Scum always do. But he said vanilla, so I think he's okay. Maybe it was a WIFOM thing, but I don't think Krup was tricking me.

For all the people who vote Wang today, and voted Snarky yesterday, too little, too late. Go back and time, and vote for Wang day one We really need to move on and follow other leads. Or else day one was a complete lynch waste.