Orion Kettleboil Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Unvote: Helena Hippopaw Call me foolish, but I feel like she's telling the truth here. I'm going to wait for Barkonius to reply before I vote him, but for now I don't think lynching Helena is the best idea.
Twatty Tittlesteen Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Nicholas, I never said Bartholomew was scum. I said it was possible, since he has been hiding in the middle, it seems. We have to bring attention to these things somehow. You did the same for a large portion of what we have played as well. You have also been less active, save today. I feel like we can trust what Helena has said, despite er being neutral, since she knows her death is coming up, whether today or tonight. Also, she told me a while ago before she claimed neutral, Day 3 to be exact, that she was in contact with the watcher. The only way to verify she is telling the truth is if she gives the name of the Watcher to another she trusts to be town, and then that person confirms it with them. Therefore, I believe that we can trust what Helena says. The fact that you don't care whether our important townies are pings me incredibly, and I've been second guessing whether I could trust you anymore, myself regardless.
Looney Lumpylove Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 I already explained my role! Weren't you paying attention, or was it lost in a sea of whiners swearing at me and having hurt feelings. Pink and I had to target together in order to kill. Last night, I was blocked, which is why Ariattny is still alive to regale us with her scintillating wit (what was that one, ah, go megabluck yourself... what a droll quip, establishing her as one of the higher minds here ). Anyway, I was blocked, so we all have to put up with her for today. Unfortunately, now that my dear sister is gone, I can only curse people with their character traits for the following day. That is why I expected to die today. I figured, despite being siblings, we were lovers, so imagine my surprise when I woke up, my sister gone, and I was still here. If I thought otherwise, why would I have put my neck out to save her? If I could recruit, as Barkonius thinks, why wouldn't I stay quiet day three, even help lynch Pink, assuming I could recruit? As for the roles, the watcher hasn't explained it 100% clearly to me, or maybe I read it too fast, but they said Barkonius was the scummy one, according to them. I have no doubts that this is what truly happened. Helena was blocked, so the SK didn't occur last night. The Watcher could easily talked to her before her little "reveal" this mid-day, though why he wouldn't wait till Helena spilled the beans is beyond me. However, I am not certain Helena is telling us the whole truth. I don't think she can recruit, but I AM doubtful that she is completely neutered in her role. I fear that tonight we will see another SK, perhaps with a different MO. That being said, Helena can be dealt with tomorrow, if we do in fact see a SK occur tonight. We still have many scum infiltrating our ranks, and it would behoove us to start finding them as soon as possible. Therefore, I: Vote: Barkonius Twitch
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Here's the thing about me lying yesterday: I had to, to try to save Pink. Today, I have no need to lie, since the truth is on my side. The scum will lie, for sure, in hopes of getting me lynched. I'm happy to see there are some saner elements in the town right now. Scum is probably getting nervous
Nicholas Dickory Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Because I've been 100% cooperative with them, and we have an understanding. You're not in the town block, so all you can do is wrongly hypothesize. I think scum know who the watcher is, so I suggested they out themselves in thread, but that's up to them. Said in a true scummy way. You're voting for town's best interests, just for your ego. Way to be a team player You're totally scummy. Really, the town block knows I'm telling the truth, so the bullshitters here, like Gertrude and Nick here, will be sticking out as obvious scum. So, I am helping the town after all. I just can't help it The one who targeted me told me in advance that they would, and has been in dialogue with them for a few days. Barkonius has been unclear with their night actions to the watcher. And Nick is scummy. He's making a campaign against me, because the alternative is me helping the town block and lynching his scum-buddy. What a scumbag! You've suggested the watcher out themself presumably so you don't have to? If the scum know who the watcher is, why bother using that person as leverage? Does your understanding with them include you outing them upon your lynch? Because if it does, then they're dumber than you are, aren't they? If they know you're threatening to out them and they've bothered to look at the vote tallies, they can a) continue to cooperate knowing full well there's a 75-90% chance you'll be lynched, in which case you'll have to reveal them; b) out themselves preemptively, as you've asked them to do; c) megabluck with you, which is what I'd do, personally. Why are you fighting this? You were the one who told us to lynch you if Godric came up town, and here we are, so why the change of heart?
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 You've suggested the watcher out themself presumably so you don't have to? If the scum know who the watcher is, why bother using that person as leverage? I think the scum already know the watcher. They don't know the other two roles I know. Them coming out in thread would help strengthen their lynch on Bark, and shut up the people working actively against town, such as yourself. Does your understanding with them include you outing them upon your lynch? Because if it does, then they're dumber than you are, aren't they? If they know you're threatening to out them and they've bothered to look at the vote tallies, they can a) continue to cooperate knowing full well there's a 75-90% chance you'll be lynched, in which case you'll have to reveal them; b) out themselves preemptively, as you've asked them to do; c) megabluck with you, which is what I'd do, personally. The watcher is not stupid, and understands that I'm only trying to save myself, not sabotage the town (like you, whose basis for voting is personal pride, apparently). Keep calling people stupid, but we know what we're doing, you're just flinging shit around like a monkey. Let's look at your options: a) Yeah, they're town, so of course they'd cooperate Only a moron would purposely go against town like that. b) Outing is a good way to make town more coherent, but that's only if the watcher agrees that scum already knows who they are. Mafia 101. Only morons wouldn't know that. c) megablocking with me would be a totally stupid, pointlessly antagonistic thing to do. Maybe you're not the sharpest tool in the shed? What about your analysis isn't scummy? Why are you fighting this? You were the one who told us to lynch you if Godric came up town, and here we are, so why the change of heart? Hmm. Giving up and quitting, yeah, that's smart Are you honestly saying that is the way to play? I didn't care if Godric was town. I was hoping he was scum, but my goal was to keep the lynch off of Pink. I did it. I said what I had to to get that done. You really are thick if you think that is how anybody should approach this situation. Always, you go down fighting. Whether I'm lynched or not, I'm not a quitter. If you can't respect that, what use is your opinion. Scum or dumb? I say both, since good scum wouldn't make such dumb arguments. Now hurry on back to your Writeboard to plan out your next argument for why you think the whole town should commit suicide rather than go after the scum the town watcher has proposed. Go! Shoo! Town doesn't need your crap.
Hinckley Posted May 6, 2013 Author Posted May 6, 2013 Interlude vote tally Helena Hippopaw: 10 votes (Gertrude Tincanchew, Nicholas Dickory, Dillpickle Catterweed, Rutherford Hablabble-Bibble, Firuz Foxtail, Ariattny Sugarbottom, Bartholomew Bearbutt, Lulu Pittoolo, Timly Dimplebop, Barkonius Twitch) Gertrude Tincanchew: 1 vote (Belinda Bugglesby) Barkonius Twitch: 3 votes (Helena Hippopaw, Twatty Tittlesteen, Looney Lumpylove) 24 hours remain in Day Four.
Barkonius Twitch Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Well, I wish the watcher hadn't told you my role. Watcher, remember how after last life we all said to NEVER give out other people's roles? Yeah, you did that. I did target you last night, believing that you might be the investigator. I am the town protector. The other protector is scum. I don't know how I feel about the watcher. They seem careless to me. My vote is not changing. I don't believe anyone else's should, and I think only scum will vote for me - which is also dumb, because when I flip, you'll be losing a role. If I'm town, clearly this person who claimed to be the protector is not that. Panek, we're coming for you tomorrow. Thank you for bringing it out in the open, Helena. It was a nice ploy to save your life, but was sadly a failure.
Belinda Bugglesby Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Unvote: Gertrude Tincanchew Vote: Barkonius Twitch I don't see the point in lynching Helena right now, I'd rather go after a Odor Eater. Helena has been very vocal and if there is a watcher, they'd find some way to come out and say this is a lie, if it was. If Barkonius does flip town, then Helena can be lynched tomorrow. But if things work out, then there isn't a reason to kill her until the end. She seems useful.
Orion Kettleboil Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Barkonius, is there any modifier to your role, or are you just a straightup investigator? Err, protector. Also, Helena, tell the identity of the other protector to the vig so he can bring it forward tomorrow if you die and Barkonius flips town. We can't let scum slip through our fingers.
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Well, I wish the watcher hadn't told you my role. Watcher, remember how after last life we all said to NEVER give out other people's roles? Yeah, you did that. Thanks for confirming my story Barkonius! Now the rest of town knows I'm telling the truth, and know that they should change their votes! Yes, I am speaking for the watcher. Whether they believe you are a protector or not, is debatable. Strange you never discussed any of it with me, if you thought I was town... Remember, only scum really want me gone!
Barkonius Twitch Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 I don't see the point in lynching Helena right now, I'd rather go after a Odor Eater. Helena has been very vocal and if there is a watcher, they'd find some way to come out and say this is a lie, if it was. If Barkonius does flip town, then Helena can be lynched tomorrow. But if things work out, then there isn't a reason to kill her until the end. She seems useful. :laugh: You clearly are reading nothing. I didn't say that she lied. She told the truth. She just has Panek and I in opposite allegiances than what we are. There is no modifier. I told people in private that there was, so that if they were scum they would feel less motivated to kill me, but in truth there is not. It doesn't matter at this point anyway, I'm dead by tomorrow, because the scum will absolutely kill me tonight, but it means we caught one of them. Possibly more. Belinda is not to be trusted. She is either a scum or a very confused town. At this point, best thing to do is to let me die so you see my allegiance. But don't waste your votes on it. Let's get rid of the SK that people are randomly lobbying and keep around, and then I'll be offed in the night. Or maybe the scum will not kill me and you'll still have my role tomorrow. Thanks for confirming my story Barkonius! Now the rest of town knows I'm telling the truth, and know that they should change their votes! Yes, I am speaking for the watcher. Whether they believe you are a protector or not, is debatable. Strange you never discussed any of it with me, if you thought I was town... Erm... what? How does your story prove I should be voted out? Panek and I claimed protector. There is nothing in your story that even remotely points to me as a person to kill. Your twisting your own words, and people will still be seeing right through you. Make no mistake, you will die shortly either from the scum or town, because both sides need you dead to win, and neither wants a loose cannon. It is debatable. There's not really a way to prove it. And I didn't think you were town for sure. I was going to see what the day brought before contacting you. Good thing I did. Belinda spoke to you on my behalf because I could protect her if you showed up town, and I could not protect myself. You're trying really hard, I respect that. You're just wrong and are also going to lose. I'm going to go water my flowers. :wub:
Twatty Tittlesteen Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Well, we now know that either Barkonius or Panck are scum, if that's a lead...
Barkonius Twitch Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 That's what I'm saying. Helena may have cost us our protector, but we have our first scum.
Twatty Tittlesteen Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 It doesn't look like you'll be lynched, but I'm still going to keep my vote on you, so we can test Helena's claim. I think Panck seems to be more town to me, but I can look at the previous days.
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Erm... what? How does your story prove I should be voted out? I didn't say that. I said that it proved I wasn't lying about talking to the watcher, which some scum are claiming I made up. Honestly, between you and the other 'protector', I would lean toward that they are town, making you scum. I'm outing you as per the wishes of the watcher. Don't hold it against me. That's what I'm saying. Helena may have cost us our protector, but we have our first scum. I cost you nothing. This is the will of the town. It's an interesting situation for town. They can lynch the person they know is a neutral that the scum want out, or they can lynch the big question mark who has all of a sudden started making claims in thread. The smart move is to lynch the question mark, giving you lots of leads tomorrow to work with, but I think there may be too many Nicholas' in town to overcome.
Gertrude Tincanchew Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Unvote: Gertrude Tincanchew Vote: Barkonius Twitch I don't see the point in lynching Helena right now, I'd rather go after a Odor Eater. Helena has been very vocal and if there is a watcher, they'd find some way to come out and say this is a lie, if it was. If Barkonius does flip town, then Helena can be lynched tomorrow. But if things work out, then there isn't a reason to kill her until the end. She seems useful. You are scum or dumb. There is no down side to lynching Helena at this point she just publicly outed a doc claim. We now know that she'll probably NA,e drop the vig and watcher in thread for shits and giggles, too. Also, she isn't useful. It is physically impossible for her to win with Town, you do realize? She has zero ,olive to work with us, and 100% motive to work against us. She is literally threatening us right now, for Christ sakes! I didn't say that. I said that it proved I wasn't lying about talking to the watcher, which some scum are claiming I made up. Honestly, between you and the other 'protector', I would lean toward that they are town, making you scum. I'm outing you as per the wishes of the watcher. Don't hold it against me. I cost you nothing. This is the will of the town. It's an interesting situation for town. They can lynch the person they know is a neutral that the scum want out, or they can lynch the big question mark who has all of a sudden started making claims in thread. The smart move is to lynch the question mark, giving you lots of leads tomorrow to work with, but I think there may be too many Nicholas' in town to overcome. You should just out the PRs and then go quietly. Nobody except scum wants to listen to you bitching. Here's the Town's best action plan of she outs the PRs: (In my opinion, of course) *Lynch Helena *Vig: Kill Panck *Watcher: Watch Twitch *Twitch/Panck (Doc): Protect Watcher Possible outcomes: 1. Scum blocks vig and kills anyone-> Panck confirmed Scum, Twitch (confirmed Doc) can't be killed without the watcher knowing a scum that he can out 2. Scum blocks watcher and kills Twitch -> Watcher gets 1 more day, Panck (scum) dies 3. Scum blocks Twitch and kills Watcher -> Panck (scum) dies, Twitch (doc) gets one more day 4. Scum kills Watcher and blocks anyone (assuming Panck is doc) -> Panck (doc) dies, Watcher dies, Twitch confirmed scum Scenario 1 is best case and Scenario 4 is worst case. In S1, we lynch Panck and the cop claims to Twitch and reveals all his results, which Twitch can then give to the Town. The doctor and watcher continue to guard each other, so the scum must use BOTH their kill and block to get rid of one of our PRs, who can act as town lynchpins in the meanwhile. S2/S3: We get 1 scum via vig kill and the cop claims to the living PR, who can reveal the results the next day before he is killed that night. S5: We lynch Twitch and then proceed with analysis and scum hunting. NOTE: This plan assumes that Panck is more likely to be scum than Twitch. Twitch has been vocal and very townie, Panck has posted irregularly and was buddying to me in private Night One and was distracting people from Helena today. If the Town consensus, however, is that Panc is more likely Town than Twitch, then we just have the vig kill Twitch and the watcher watch Panck. The plan is still valid.
Twatty Tittlesteen Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Well, I have been talking to Panck, and he has came off as pretty townie, if that helps.
Orion Kettleboil Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 If it's between Panck and Barkonius, then I know where my vote's going. Vote: Barkonius Twitch
Gertrude Tincanchew Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 If it's between Panck and Barkonius, then I know where my vote's going. Vote: Barkonius Twitch It's not. It's between Helena and Helena. Our Doctor is already known to the scum now because of her, so she can't be trusted. It is physically impossible for her to win with us. She has an ulterior motive, and has already proved that she is willing to out the PRs when she outed Twitch and Panck. First, vote Helena, then, read over my action plan.
Hinckley Posted May 6, 2013 Author Posted May 6, 2013 Mod note: (I meant to post this earlier with the Interlude but got sidetracked) I try to butt in less and less every time I host. However, I'd like to say with all the talk about sportsmanship today, please respect each other. This is a game. You should all have fun. There's a difference between the character and the person playing that character and attacks should never go to the person. Even if someone is disrespecting you, you can't control what that person does but you can control your own actions and reactions. I'm glad to see people passionate about playing the game, but please remember that we are a community: the EB Mafia Community and we should all strive to conduct our games in a positive atmosphere. I'm not suggesting we should go to the opposite extreme and say we should be painfully nice and compliment everyone. There's a continuum to find a balance on. There's a difference between respectable aggressive play style and disrespectful insulting play style. Please play a game you can be proud of later. Thank you. vote tally Helena Hippopaw: 10 votes (Gertrude Tincanchew, Nicholas Dickory, Dillpickle Catterweed, Rutherford Hablabble-Bibble, Firuz Foxtail, Ariattny Sugarbottom, Bartholomew Bearbutt, Lulu Pittoolo, Timly Dimplebop, Barkonius Twitch) Barkonius Twitch: 5 votes (Helena Hippopaw, Twatty Tittlesteen, Looney Lumpylove, Belinda Bugglesby, Orion Kettleboil)
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 It's not. It's between Helena and Helena. Our Doctor is already known to the scum now because of her, so she can't be trusted. It is physically impossible for her to win with us. She has an ulterior motive, and has already proved that she is willing to out the PRs when she outed Twitch and Panck. First, vote Helena, then, read over my action plan. Nope, I outed Twitch, on the word of the watcher. That's it. Stop lying to lead town down a scummy dead-end. You should just out the PRs and then go quietly. Nobody except scum wants to listen to you bitching. Wow! Could you say anything more scummy? I have no desire to out the PRs. I just want to live another day. But your advice? Out the PRs, sabotage town, and die. You couldn't be more scummy. Who wants the PRs outed? Town or scum? Hmmm. Town, look! Look! Gertrude wants town dead!
Gertrude Tincanchew Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Nope, I outed Twitch, on the word of the watcher. That's it. Stop lying to lead town down a scummy dead-end. Everyone knows you have no reason to help the town, it's contradictory to your win condition to help us. Stop lying to lead town down a scummy dead-end.
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 NOTE: This plan assumes that Panck is more likely to be scum than Twitch. Twitch has been vocal and very townie, Panck has posted irregularly and was buddying to me in private Night One and was distracting people from Helena today. If the Town consensus, however, is that Panc is more likely Town than Twitch, then we just have the vig kill Twitch and the watcher watch Panck. The plan is still valid. Nice! You think Panck is scum, based on the fact that he is trying to help town... And your advice on how to deal with him? Vig kill him Town! Any of you voting for me are voting alongside this blatant scum-bum. He's screaming scum. You have to see it. If you listen to him whatsoever, you'll be doing a massive facepalm for months afterwards. Gertrude has all but outed herself as scum here. The scum must be really close to end game to be so blatantly scummy in thread. Everyone knows you have no reason to help the town, it's contradictory to your win condition to help us. Stop lying to lead town down a scummy dead-end. If helping the town helps me live, it is in my best interest to do so. That is common sense. Scumbag.
Gertrude Tincanchew Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Nice! You think Panck is scum, based on the fact that he is trying to help town... And your advice on how to deal with him? Vig kill him Town! Any of you voting for me are voting alongside this blatant scum-bum. He's screaming scum. You have to see it. If you listen to him whatsoever, you'll be doing a massive facepalm for months afterwards. Gertrude has all but outed herself as scum here. The scum must be really close to end game to be so blatantly scummy in thread. If helping the town helps me live, it is in my best interest to do so. That is common sense. Scumbag. I said Panck was scum based on the fact that he posts irregularly, buddied to me in private, and attempted to shift discussion off of you. That's not townish at all.
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