Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 You're scum, so whatever. On the off-chance you're town, you're doing one of the worst jobs ever. I'm playing to the end for my team, I'm helping the town far more than you, and history will vindicate me in the end. So it's all fine with me. Keep spouting your theories.
Ariattny Sugarbottom Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Wow! Could you say anything more scummy? I have no desire to out the PRs. I just want to live another day. But your advice? Out the PRs, sabotage town, and die. You couldn't be more scummy. How exactly does outing the PRs help you live another day? I understand how threatening to do it might help, but... I think Barkonius is more suspicious than Panck, at this moment. But I also think a lot of what Helena is saying is useless, and shouldn't be paid more attention to than it deserves, which is not a lot. I think it's best to have the vig kill Barkonius in the night, and thus keep the lynch on Helena. Three basic reasons: With him being some sort of protector (is it bodyguard or doctor?), he can't protect himself. Also this doesn't give Helena the chance to do whatever she might do at night.
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 How exactly does outing the PRs help you live another day? I understand how threatening to do it might help, but... Exactly! Maybe you read one of the numerous times I stated I HAVE NO DESIRE TO OUT THE PRS. Let me live, they'll be fine; lynch me, they won't. Pretty simple. If helping town keeps me alive, of course I'm going to help town. They have the numbers. And people shouldn't pay attention to what I'm saying? Why would you want to kill Bark? Because of WHAT I'M SAYING? You're listening, and wanting to make big decisions based on WHAT I SAY, so it's pretty inane to tell people to ignore me. Saying to vig kill Bark instead of me? Dumb. Same results if you lynch him and vig kill me, but I won't out the roles. It's not rocket science. But, if you decide to let your personal feelings get in the way, I totally understand. After all, you have shown you're not playing this situation with your brain so far. Why change that winning strategy now? You can take full responsibility for town's loss, since you are caught up in your pride of the situation.
Dillpickle Catterweed Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 If thou wouldst be so kind as to correct me, I am merely trying to understand exactly what happened: The watcher saw Barkonius protect Helena last night, yes? Did the watcher also see Panck protect Helena last night? Or rather, did the watcher merely see that both targeted Helena and now both are claiming protector? Did the watcher or anyone else gain knowledge of either Barkonius' action or Panck's?
Langston Lionheart Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Holy Jesus f-ing Christ. I've been unsure how to proceed with Helenapotamous, pondering on what the hell to do. If town's to win she must die, though lynching her might seriously cripple our power. She obviously has more up her sleeve, she wouldn't be left high and dry with her partner killed. She either needs another night to rebuild her forces or something happens on Day Six that she wants (as she's said). She's a risk and blocks the town's chances of winning. Without relying on the speculation above, I don't see why she wants to continue. For the giggles? To screw everybody? Well, she's holding the town by its Philosopher's Balls and lets not forget she wants to get rid of the Odor Eaters, too; after all, they killed her sister. If I could recruit, as Barkonius thinks, why wouldn't I stay quiet day three, even help lynch Pink, assuming I could recruit? Your ability to recruit would only be possible upon the loss of your sister (or vice versa). Losing her, you'd obviously be punished, so it was better to try and save her, but like I said before, I can't imagine her death would leave you on your knees waiting for death. There's gotta be a "if one of you dies, then..." So it all comes down to this. Lynch her and potentially ruin our chances at winning, but snuff out this third party problem right away, or let her live risking her to gain the night/nights she needs to potentially ruin us also, but it might really be that she's dead in the water and we can use her unorthodox, but admirable fight to live to help us catch the scum, and then we try and kill her (and whoever she might have converted or whatever) once we've dealt with the Odor Eaters, though that depends if Helenpiñata doesn't screw us by working with the scum later on. This is one bleeding predicament to work out. It helps, though, that Helena has already (well, seemingly at least), started on the search for scum. Even if she's holding our PR's by their Philosopher's balls, she is (again it seems like) working with them, so we can at least hope this leads us to finally catching an Odor Eater. On the watcher's words, and Helepeña's judgement, it looks like Barkyponies is the closest scum suspect we have today. As much as I'd like to see Happy Terrorist Hippo dead, the risk of the watcher and vig being outed (two crucial roles we cannot lose if we want a hope to catch scum confidently) outweighs the speculated risk of letting Hell-ena live. That the watcher thinks Barky's the scummier choice, I think that's our best choice at this point, barring our neutral, gray Hippopawpawpaw. The result tomorrow will hopefully be Odor Eater, but if it's not, we at least have some other choices to choose from as a result of this debacle of a day. Vote: Barkonius Twitch
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 If thou wouldst be so kind as to correct me, I am merely trying to understand exactly what happened: The watcher saw Barkonius protect Helena last night, yes? Did the watcher also see Panck protect Helena last night? Or rather, did the watcher merely see that both targeted Helena and now both are claiming protector? Did the watcher or anyone else gain knowledge of either Barkonius' action or Panck's? The watcher saw them target me. But they've both claimed very similar roles. But Drum has been very townie to me in PM, to the watcher in PM. Bark has never contacted me, and has been aloof to the watcher, despite having very good reason to think they are town (up to now, there has never been a scum watcher, so it's unlikely now). I think the correct procedure is to lynch Bark, and vig kill Gertrude for scumming up the thread, and you all can decide of what use I am tomorrow. At the very least, lynching me will teach you nothing tomorrow, since I'm neither Town nor Scum, while lynching Bark will test the claims of my town block (that Gertrude and others have yet to apologize for saying didn't exist; They were wrong, Helena was right, and that's the important part).
Ariattny Sugarbottom Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Your logic is flawed or you are missing something. You have no reason to out the PRs, it won't help you live longer or at all in any way, we have established that. Yet you will do it? Yeah... And I don't think we should do anything because of what you are saying, I believe a lot of what you're saying is crap, and a lot is obviously just half-logic to save yourself, which is totally understandable, but we have two protectors. Surely one of them is scum. I'm sure we would have gotten this info out there without you, thanks. Or at least I'd hope so. And I'm sure if you read my previous post you'll see the three reasons for me thinking it's best to do it in this order.
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 I've been unsure how to proceed with Helenapotamous, pondering on what the hell to do. If town's to win she must die, though lynching her might seriously cripple our power. She obviously has more up her sleeve, she wouldn't be left high and dry with her partner killed. She either needs another night to rebuild her forces or something happens on Day Six that she wants (as she's said). She's a risk and blocks the town's chances of winning. Without relying on the speculation above, I don't see why she wants to continue. For the giggles? To screw everybody? Well, she's holding the town by its Philosopher's Balls and lets not forget she wants to get rid of the Odor Eaters, too; after all, they killed her sister. Why don't you quit right now? Why not? I don't see why you'd want to continue. As it is, scum is going to win, so why not quit? Has anyone ever said, after a game, "I really respect the way you just totally gave up and died." Anybody? Do you respect quitters? If not, then consider your questions answered.
Ariattny Sugarbottom Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 At the very least, lynching me will teach you nothing tomorrow, since I'm neither Town nor Scum, while lynching Bark will test the claims of my town block (that Gertrude and others have yet to apologize for saying didn't exist; They were wrong, Helena was right, and that's the important part). Sure, it would teach us nothing to lynch you, but we'd not lynch you for knowledge, we'd lynch you to get closer to winning the game and to get rid of a potentially dangerous neutral. Has anyone ever said, after a game, "I really respect the way you just totally gave up and died." Anybody? Do you respect quitters? If not, then consider your questions answered. Still better than "I totally respect the way you ruined the game after you were convicted." My three cents.
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Your logic is flawed or you are missing something. You have no reason to out the PRs, it won't help you live longer or at all in any way, we have established that. Yet you will do it? Yeah... What's the point in making a threat if you can't back it up? Why wouldn't I punish the stupid town that is voting along with the scum to get me out? They're dumb. I've tried to reason with them over and over again, and only six townies are voting for Bark so far. The rest of the town and scum are voting for me. Despite knowing that I'll take them down with me. And I don't think we should do anything because of what you are saying, I believe a lot of what you're saying is crap, and a lot is obviously just half-logic to save yourself, which is totally understandable, but we have two protectors. Surely one of them is scum. I'm sure we would have gotten this info out there without you, thanks. Or at least I'd hope so. And I'm sure if you read my previous post you'll see the three reasons for me thinking it's best to do it in this order. Yeah, sure, you would have known without me As if. The watcher wants to stay in private, and I am happy to speak up for them. You can't admit it, but I've already done town more than a number of favors. Yeah, I did that. Helena.
Ariattny Sugarbottom Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 What's the point in making a threat if you can't back it up? Why wouldn't I punish the stupid town that is voting along with the scum to get me out? They're dumb. I've tried to reason with them over and over again, and only six townies are voting for Bark so far. The rest of the town and scum are voting for me. Despite knowing that I'll take them down with me. You could have just said two words: Spite. Would have been a lot quicker.
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Still better than "I totally respect the way you ruined the game after you were convicted." My three cents. No, town is ruining themselves with a dumb vote. Take some credit for leading town to a loss! You get full credit for that, since you were one of the loudest leading the lynch. You are voting with scum, and saying it's a good idea, even with other options available. You are ruining your own game. Don't hold me accountable.
Ariattny Sugarbottom Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Yeah, sure, you would have known without me As if. The watcher wants to stay in private, and I am happy to speak up for them. You can't admit it, but I've already done town more than a number of favors. Yeah, I did that. Helena. Possibly, but you have also done many disservices that don't weigh up to the attempts to seem useful...
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 You could have just said two words: Spite. Would have been a lot quicker. The votes are 10-6 or so, with a lot of time left. Who knows where it'll go? If I'd said nothing, it would have been a unanimous lynch. Strategy. Get one some time. Voting with the scum seems like the obvious bad one. Possibly, but you have also done many disservices that don't weigh up to the attempts to seem useful... Oh well, you're leading town to a loss, so your opinion carries no weight. Good luck next time.
Barkonius Twitch Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 I unfortunately have nothing else to say. I've been honest, hopefully I protected Krup Night One. I protected Sugarbottom Night Two. That was the night that both Panek and I were seen, and we both claimed doctor. I protected Helena last night. Good luck, Penises!! Get Panek tomorrow.
Ariattny Sugarbottom Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 No, town is ruining themselves with a dumb vote. Take some credit for leading town to a loss! You get full credit for that, since you were one of the loudest leading the lynch. You are voting with scum, and saying it's a good idea, even with other options available. You are ruining your own game. Don't hold me accountable. Your logic is so flawed. That's the main two things isn't it. Your logic is waaaaaaay off. I protected Sugarbottom Night Two. That was the night that both Panek and I were seen, and we both claimed doctor. You were both seen protecting me? And why wasn't the town informed there were two doctors walking around, that's the type of thing that is the either/or scum lynch thingy's.
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Your logic is so flawed. That's the main two things isn't it. Your logic is waaaaaaay off. Funny, since if you vote Bark, town could continue, and instead, you vote me, trying to hurt town. No connection there, is there Go back to telling people to go megabluck themselves, it's equally helpful to town.
Ariattny Sugarbottom Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Strategy. Get one some time. I prefer winging it. Funny, since if you vote Bark, town could continue, and instead, you vote me, trying to hurt town. No connection there, is there Go back to telling people to go megabluck themselves, it's equally helpful to town. Yeah, you said six people told you to megabluck yourself, they obviously had the right idea I wanted to be one of them, that's the kind of bandwagon I'll happily jump onto. Funny, since if you vote Bark, town could continue, and instead, you vote me, trying to hurt town. Right. So you keep saying. But it is you who is doing the hurting. Out of spite. By the way, why didn't you ever try to kill a scum? I mean, the Town wasn't winning, so I seem like an odd target for a kill. Also, what is your plan if you stay alive tonight? Will you have an action, or what? I don't believe just wanting to make it as far as possible is your only two reasons.
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 I can't be bothered with Ariatny anymore. She's voting with the scum, putting her into the scum or dumb category, so no point in breaking it down to even smaller syllables in hopes of her getting it. She has decided to work against town. I'm pretty sure she's town too, for a reason or two. Anyway, to the rest of town voting for me: You are currently voting with the scum. Scum have zero reason to save me. If you vote with the scum, you deserve to lose. That's a massive hint right there. You're helping the scum. Good luck
Langston Lionheart Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Why don't you quit right now? Why not? I don't see why you'd want to continue. As it is, scum is going to win, so why not quit? Well, my vote on Barkonius is proof that I've not quit and is hope that we can prevent you from outing our power roles. Has anyone ever said, after a game, "I really respect the way you just totally gave up and died." Anybody? Do you respect quitters? If not, then consider your questions answered. Well, my line of thought there was that you're not quitting because there's more to you than just "I'm nothing but the empty half of a whole now", so you had a reason to continue fighting as opposed to continue fighting for pride and respect alone. You're a lioness trapped in a corner, left with just her sharp teeth (wait, I'm the lion, whatever, hippos have scary teeth, too). But, now, you've gained my respect for your survival instincts, I hope you don't lose it if you screw the town later, since respect is what you care for now.
Drubulum Panck Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 I targeted Sugarbottom Night 2 after targeting Gertrude Night 1. I can't talk a lot now, unfortunately, but I think it seems reasonable to me to lynch a suspected scum today, rather than Helena. The scum are equally as wary of Helena as we are. We both need to take her out in order to win, so why not let the scum waste their kill on her, rather than us wasting a lynch on her. I know that it may not seem great to change your votes, now, but doesn't it make more sense to vote for scum than to vote for someone who scum will want to take out themselves. Right now, I think it makes the most sense for me to Vote: Barkonius Twitch. Come on town, forsake your pride for a day and vote for the likely scum.
Helena Hippopaw Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 Fair enough, Langston. I'm more than halfway to a Bark lynch. The rest of town is still thinking they are better off voting with scum, which is, again, mafia 101 stupidity I can understand your line of reasoning, but you also have to consider that this is an "advanced game" which means a lot of nonsensical rules that don't add up in the end. Very very rarely is there a situation like this where there isn't a concern of poor conception of roles. I just happen to have lucked into the poorly conceived role this lifetime. No hard feelings, and town has a much better chance on day 5, thanks to town voting for Bark, and scum and dumb townies voting for me. The choices for scum have been greatly reduced. Even Bark, if he truly thought Drub was scum, would have voted for him, since I already have a large vote lead. But he's scum, so he's not going to deviate from the set scum status quo. I take a certain small pleasure knowing that all the scum have given themselves away in their vote, or that the townies who vote for me have doomed their side. Either way, half of those voting for me have killed their team in doing so (though I'm leaning to the town dooming themselves, for statistical reasons).
Bartholomew Bearbutt Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 I still worry that Helenas up to something and thats why she wants to just survive one more night but now we have more information about a likely scum. Its clear that one of Barkonius and Panck is lying about being a protector because I cant see how we'd have two protector's in this game and the watcher seems to think that Barkonius is more suspicious than Panck. We know Helena is a neutral who needs to die at some point but shes holding the town night actions hostage so if we can nail a scum and protect our night actions then this way makes the most sence to me. Unvote: Helena Hippopaw Vote: Barkonius Twitch Holding on to on anothers haaaaaaaaaaaaaand trying to geeet awaaaaay in to the niiiiiiiiiiiight and then you puts your arms around me and we tumble to the ground and then you saaaaaaaaaaay
Hinckley Posted May 6, 2013 Author Posted May 6, 2013 vote tally Helena Hippopaw: 9 votes (Gertrude Tincanchew, Nicholas Dickory, Dillpickle Catterweed, Rutherford Hablabble-Bibble, Firuz Foxtail, Ariattny Sugarbottom, Lulu Pittoolo, Timly Dimplebop, Barkonius Twitch) Barkonius Twitch: 8 votes (Helena Hippopaw, Twatty Tittlesteen, Looney Lumpylove, Belinda Bugglesby, Orion Kettleboil, Langstong Lionheart, Drublum Panck, Bartholomew Bearbutt) Ariattny Sugarbottom: 2 votes (penalty, penalty)
Looney Lumpylove Posted May 6, 2013 Posted May 6, 2013 I've heard a lot of you saying that Helena is a dangerous Neutral. And that might be true, we have no proof that she can kill without Pinkie around, but we also have no proof that she can't. But do not forget, she has every reason to hunt the scum as well. SKs cannot win with the town, but they also cannot win with the scum either. She needs both sides dead, which is one of the reasons I'm willing to go along with her for now. My vote for Barkonius is going to stand, unless I learn something new.
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