Ok, my mistake. Don't post something like "the final battle" next time.

It makes it sound like you want HF to end quickly. You understand my confusion?

I see how you could think that, but within the context of the discussion it seemed pretty clear that he was just thinking up future HF possibilities (albeit vague ones).

Edited May 23, 201311 yr by Chro

Ok, my mistake. Don't post something like "the final battle" next time.

It makes it sound like you want HF to end quickly. You understand my confusion?

One of the things that makes this forum what it is and (Lego Fans in general) is tremendous passion for what we love. I really do understand the re-action.

I've already got a few vehicle concepts thought out for that. And that´s another thing that HF should do: try to use the current building system to make vehicles. The XT4 torso would be a great starting point.

We've seen it in action on Dragon Bolt, one wonders what else we could do with it...

I'd still like to see "The Crusher" as a set in the near future. That would be cool.

Come to think of it, I'd like to see Rocka's Jetpack brought to the next level. A full on HF Built Mech.

Since the building system was introduced, I've wanted them to maybe make a hovercar or something based on the building system. Obviously Technic is more practical for the more functional parts of a vehicle like wheels, but I still feel like a vehicle based on this building system would be a cool thing to see in the future.

Stormer XL's chest plate could definitely be used as a panel for, say, the hood/bonnet of a Hero Factory vehicle.

Since the building system was introduced, I've wanted them to maybe make a hovercar or something based on the building system. Obviously Technic is more practical for the more functional parts of a vehicle like wheels, but I still feel like a vehicle based on this building system would be a cool thing to see in the future.

Stormer XL's chest plate could definitely be used as a panel for, say, the hood/bonnet of a Hero Factory vehicle.

That would be cool. The only problem is that it would have to totally be a MOC project. It's obvious LEGO doesn't trust the HF system beyond a certain size and complexity. I'm convinced this is why JET ROCKA is so bad and Dragon Bolt is slightly disappointing. Because they build these great models to a certain size and then something complex needs to be added and WAM a big, huge, ugly hunk of Technic CRAP is rammed onto the model.

If they can't get beyond that mindset, they will never get beyond the "This is building system is for robots, people, and creatures" to go industrial.

Ok, my mistake. Don't post something like "the final battle" next time.

It makes it sound like you want HF to end quickly. You understand my confusion?

My Apologies.

When you mentioned Dragon Bolt.... I want a Heroes vs. Dragons theme now.

My Apologies.

When you mentioned Dragon Bolt.... I want a Heroes vs. Dragons theme now.

Agreed. Or a mythological theme. Griffins, Hydras, etc. To pull that off without being utterly disappointing, that would require most of the villains to be at a higher pricepoint than usual, maybe 20.

Agreed. Or a mythological theme. Griffins, Hydras, etc. To pull that off without being utterly disappointing, that would require most of the villains to be at a higher pricepoint than usual, maybe 20.

yeah, and also, a hero riding an armored horse would be cool too.

yeah, and also, a hero riding an armored horse would be cool too.

I can think up something even better: A hero riding a dragon. The more complex builds we get, the sooner HF designers will learn how to make them.

That would be cool. The only problem is that it would have to totally be a MOC project. It's obvious LEGO doesn't trust the HF system beyond a certain size and complexity. I'm convinced this is why JET ROCKA is so bad and Dragon Bolt is slightly disappointing. Because they build these great models to a certain size and then something complex needs to be added and WAM a big, huge, ugly hunk of Technic CRAP is rammed onto the model.

If they can't get beyond that mindset, they will never get beyond the "This is building system is for robots, people, and creatures" to go industrial.

Well, one thing to keep in mind with certain models is that the inherent flexibility of the building system can present a challenge, particularly with any model that is meant to enclose a figure. Without internal bracing that reduces the space for a figure, it would be easy for a model with an open interior to collapse in on itself if held the wrong way.

I'm not a big fan of Jet Rocka but I understand that some amount of Technic is a necessity for its functionality. I just wish some more Hero Factory shells and Technic panels had been used to decorate it instead of so many exposed beams... but then again, I felt the same way about Speeda Demon's bike and later grew to love it, so perhaps I'll also find Jet Rocka is more appealing "in the brick" than in pictures and videos. That wouldn't really help with its other flaws like the pointlessly oversized Rocka figure, but it might help redeem the construction of the jetpack itself. In any case, Jet Rocka is not a set I intend to buy myself.

Getting back on topic, one thing I've always thought might be neat is some more smaller Hero Factory figures. I've done some doodling on LDD and have come up with designs for a dog, falcon, and monkey (the dog is the only one I've built in real life, and he looks great). Even if they weren't sets of their own, wouldn't it be cool to have a team of Heroes who each have a small robot buddy, kind of like Toa Mahri Jaller and his Hahnah Crab? Or perhaps a set like the BIONICLE Master Builder Set from 2002 that allows you to build an assortment of small animal models? I plan to see about designing more smaller models of this sort, and who knows? I might even be able to come up with something I'm happy enough with to make into a LEGO Cuusoo proposal.

Edited May 24, 201311 yr by Aanchir

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Getting back on topic, one thing I've always thought might be neat is some more smaller Hero Factory figures. I've done some doodling on LDD and have come up with designs for a dog, falcon, and monkey (the dog is the only one I've built in real life, and he looks great). Even if they weren't sets of their own, wouldn't it be cool to have a team of Heroes who each have a small robot buddy, kind of like Toa Mahri Jaller and his Hahnah Crab? Or perhaps a set like the BIONICLE Master Builder Set from 2002 that allows you to build an assortment of small animal models? I plan to see about designing more smaller models of this sort, and who knows? I might even be able to come up with something I'm happy enough with to make into a LEGO Cuusoo proposal.

That is a great idea. In point of fact, the lack of a fully realized world has long been the weakest point of Hero Factory. From the earliest days of Bionicle, you had animals and non combatant citizens, and just a sense of life. Your idea would really add some of that to HF.

End the theme.

I love HF, hence why I'd like it to end before any jumps of the shark. And I mean underwater heroes.

For a last wave, I would like a large titan. And I mean a large one. If other themes can have 100 USD sets, why can't we? We have also seen the proof of concept Titan build. So it is possible to make a large titan.

Edited May 24, 201311 yr by vexorian

Hm. Here's one that would make a lot of people here happy. Maybe the heroes travel back in time to stop some monster. Then they could implement the mythology thing. The heroes could get super armor and the villians would be hydras and stuff.

Wild West

Dinosaur Hunters

Dragon Warriors

Roboriders Homage

Throwbots Homage (With at least one "Evolutionary Throwback" pun as a tagline.)

Ninja and Samurai (Ninjago Crossover? =P)

Transforming Heroes and Villains

And so on and so forth.

Edited May 24, 201311 yr by CabooseBM

Wild West

Dinosaur Hunters

Dragon Warriors

Roboriders Homage

Throwbots Homage (With at least one "Evolutionary Throwback" pun as a tagline.)

Ninja and Samurai (Ninjago Crossover? =P)

Transforming Heroes and Villains

And so on and so forth.

You've given this some thought. Lol ;)

End the theme.

I love HF, hence why I'd like it to end before any jumps of the shark. And I mean underwater heroes.

For a last wave, I would like a large titan. And I mean a large one. If other themes can have 100 USD sets, why can't we? We have also seen the proof of concept Titan build. So it is possible to make a large titan.

Not everyone remembers the dark times...

I didn't much mind the Mahri, but damn the flight and swamp waves were awful.

That is a great idea. In point of fact, the lack of a fully realized world has long been the weakest point of Hero Factory. From the earliest days of Bionicle, you had animals and non combatant citizens, and just a sense of life. Your idea would really add some of that to HF.

Well, Hero Factory has had non-combatant citizens and animals since its first wave as well — just not as sets. In 2010 there were a handful of non-combatant citizens in the Mission: Von Nebula game including Raven Su, a professor from Makuhero University Research Facility, Daniela Capricorn, an on-the-scene reporter for Hero News Network, and of course the Hero Factory support staff Nathaniel Zib, Quadal, Big Joe, and Lucy. There were even more non-combatant characters in Hero Factory FM, probably in part because as a podcast/radio show there was no need to create visible character designs.

But overall, I think one reason we don't see sets of non-combatant characters in Hero Factory is because Hero Factory's non-hero, non-villain characters tend to be genuine civilians. In BIONICLE, even "civilian" characters were presented as having to fight to defend themselves on occasion, and were armed with "tools" like disks or Kolhii sticks that could double as weapons. In 2006 the writers gave up any pretense of these tools being anything other than weapons, and after that point every small set had at least one dedicated weapon. In Hero Factory, the side characters are almost never seen armed, except in the case of Chief Drax from the Mekron City police department. Even those who work in the Hero Factory mostly have desk jobs.

Another reason is of course that civilian figures might not perform any useful function as far as sales are concerned. Generally the characters in BIONICLE designed to be most desirable were heroes and villains. Civilians were invariably smaller models designed as impulse buys or as "accessories" to a larger item like the Power Pack or a vehicle set. It's possible that TLG no longer sees any money in an "impulse" price point in the Hero Factory theme. Then again, it's possible that market might emerge again sometime and that's part of why I'd like to see TLG innovate more with smaller figures. Animal or robot assistants like those in the Exo-Force theme's final year would be ideal since they could either go into battle with heroes and villains or simply act as supporting characters.

At the very least they should at least us a Zib figure.

The Hannah-crab style minature build could work very well. And it has; almost everyone liked the Arachnix drone from BP.

i would like to see a "kit up" wave. each hero built as what is now a 10 dollar set, but with a large pice of weaponry that is removable and has some feature (ex, large arm covers that go over the normal ones, with flip out blades.).

the biggest hero and villain sets would be armoured mech suits that could be seperated into sections, and have the smaller weapons attatch on to them to upgrade the mechs. ex: furno having shoulder cannons, surge with a big lightning sword, bulk with super arms, and nexwith transforming multi tools, would combine with the hero mech, and boost up the power of the rider, a new guy named "darrek mechina", who has the power to link with machines in universe.

villains would be "hakerz", a group who broke into the hf to upgrade themselfs and steal weapons, their mech would be black and red. and their add ons would be something like "scyth, gatling gun, fire arm, ect.", and their defeat in story would have furno and stormer geared up with tons of weapons taken from the mech basicaly sealing their mech shut with them in it.

in sets only, the characters can actually combine with the mechs to bulk them up, but not in series.

It seems like a pretty silly idea to me, as it's basically the entire purpose of the building system that the sets can be combined. Although the idea of multi-part weaponry (ie weapons that can be connected to form bigger, more complex ones) would be a good improvement on the closest thing we have now, the Savage Planet paws and gauntlets.

Edited May 25, 201311 yr by DraikNova

I'd like to see a combining themed wave, now that we're talking about it.

I know combined sets have been a thing since HF's inception, but a wave and story focusing specifically on the idea could be really cool.

"stylistically, they are more or less interchangeable", dont u c, aanchir, thats the problem, the frames are too interchangable, too similar, w/ Bionacle there mass varriations, such that the shells themselves looked like they from different series, yet the characters all fit in 1 neat little series, w/ thick plot, awesome powers, & awesomer characters. Now w/ Hf all the shell look as thou their all from the same character & the characters themselves dont vary much either their personalities & colors is all that seperate the Hf heros

a wave and story focusing specifically on the idea could be really cool, yeah that would be awesome Caboose BM, but then lego would have to stop making more characters and wouldnt make more profit and they always have to make more money now dont they

a wave and story focusing specifically on the idea could be really cool, yeah that would be awesome Caboose BM, but then lego would have to stop making more characters and wouldnt make more profit and they always have to make more money now dont they

Alright, aside from mentioning the Inika clone build problem, I'm not even going to address the first part of your post, but as for the second... why would a combining wave force Lego to stop making more characters? I think it would, if anything, cause them to make more, not less.

Edited June 1, 201311 yr by Chro