Mafia Mafia: Day One - Day One

[Hinckley]

I have nothing to analyse on day one. Too early to make anything of anything.

As for compiling the pills, less than half of us have any experience with this as a game concept. Those of us with experience know to compile info. But the rest don't, so it is important that we help them out. It is certainly more concretely helpful than quoting lots of people and saying "maybe" afterward. Usually, it's not until people start dying that we can read into what they're saying.

When I have more to say about pinging and scum tells, I will.

Well, I did it in Fraulein Bloodbrick to appear helpful, so it pinged me. I am used to you trying to analyze right from the get-go as well. So your behavior just seems off. It's at least worth noting. I would definitely prefer you to be on the Town side.

So, was someone convicted?

[def]

The Cop has stated the obvious by pointing out we should be keeping track of the pills. He's provided no suspicions and voted for the host. He appears to be trying to be helpful, but he's not really contributing at all.

Were you keeping a spreadsheet with all the pills and who took them already? Are you keeping one now? Was everybody keeping track already? Sorry for being so obvious

[Piratedave84]

A little inconsistent here aren't we? First you feel fine following the Cop and now when some individuals start bringing up his change of behavior you feel comfortable hiding in someone's else suspicions and placing a metagame vote?

Also, you're criticizing those who are at least attempting to analyze the given posts? You may think it's scummy to be helpful but I'm of the opinion that the more people that talk, theorize, and debate the more things eventually become clearer. A lot can happen in 50 posts if you pay attention and your assertion that people shouldn't say anything analytical based on 50 Day 1's posts seems like a futile scummy attempt to mask your own lack of contributions.

My 'following' the cop was over 48 hours ago; sine then a lot has happened and a lot was said or not said. At that time I was open to the idea of lynching the werewolfe to spare a life as no other suspicions were made.

I don't feel my behaviour is inconsistent; I still think the idea of voting for the werewolf is valid and I stand behind my meta-vote for the same person that brought forth the idea.

In the last 2 such 'situations' I did not follow my gut and in the long term it was proven That I should have. this time around I will; the cop's behaviour is different from the many other times I have seen him in such contexts, hence my vote.

[def]

Just for the record, for those who want some analysis: I haven't been lynchedin two years. I've played pretty consistently all that time, whether town, neutral, or scum. If I am playing differently, what alignment would I most likely be? One of those that would make me go under the radar, or one where I have nothing to hide? Basically, if I were scum, I would be trying very hard to play 'normal', right?

Some food for thought.

[Rufus]

I think the votes will be cut off at the time of the first post, which was just under two hours ago. I think that's what the werewolf said.

Meaning, all votes after Kristel's would be void.

Vote Count:

The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs): 2 (mostlytechnic, jamesn)

The Treestump (Adam): 1 (LegoDad)

The Snake Charmer (DarthPotato): 1 (Rufus)

The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 1 (Kadabra)

All pills should be out. If you didn't receive a PM detailing your pills effect, please PM me. There are 23 hours left in the day.

I make it there are about two and a half hours to go, and the votes are still tied.

You're not comfortable about voting for someone, yet you broke the tie of 3 vs. 3 on The Cultist vs. SK? As far as I can tell, the rules do not force us to make a decision every day. If you feel uncomfortable making that decision, leave it to the rest of us. That, and the fact you're being quiet for the most part today, means a ping. You're not worth a vote today because that would just split everything further.

"Everyone be quiet. The interlude will come when it comes. Damn other hosts, spoiling you with comics. There used to be no such thing as an interlude. Remember, the person with the most votes in ~48 hours will be lynched. If there is no lynch, I'll eat one of you at random."

Maybe the Werewolf is joking, but do you want to take that chance? I'm tired of saying this, but lynching is our best weapon. We should use it.

I cannot unvote once I vote today, but I'm trying to decide for myself between The Cop and The Cultist.

So any decision?

Since I don't want a no-lynch today, and nobody else seems to be worrying about the Stump, I will:

And yet you level the votes?

I have no particular opinion on the Cultist - he could be scum, he could be pussy-footing townie. Cop is behaving oddly for him, though he explained himself. If it's a ploy, it was very neatly done. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. On balance, I'm inclined to agree with Vanilla on this, and I sense a lot of resistance to lynching Serial Killer.

Unvote: Snake Charmer (DarthPotato)

Vote: Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs)

[DarthPotato]

Cult Leader, what's wrong with saying "Tunnel vision"? That's hardly a reason to be suspicious of someone. Perhaps you could actually elaborate on that more.

Also, if anyone didn't want to change your opinion on the SK, no one had to listen to me. All I said was that I think we should actually give him some time before jumping to conclusions. Of course, things are different now because he hasn't checked in since very early on today, but I think you can still get the picture. It just feels wrong to me knowing that we're lynching someone when they haven't even said much. What information are we supposed to get from that lynch besides votes? There's so many more possibilities.

[jimmynick]

There are 23 hours left in the day.

I think the votes will be cut off at the time of the first post, which was just under two hours ago. I think that's what the werewolf said.

Meaning, all votes after Kristel's would be void.

I think voting is still open... could The Cop please explain what he meant by that?

Anyway, I'm going to Vote: The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam) for wishy-washiness and placing an OMGUS vote against The Usurper (I'm not defending The Usurper, but please). I'll probably be away for the rest of today, so this is the First Day Lynch signing out.

[TrumpetKing]

... And the votes are yet again level....

[jimmynick]

I'm sorry; I was writing a post, and I didn't see that the Cult Leader had voted before I posted my (now irreversible) vote that has unfortunately tied the lynch again.

[Purpearljellyblob]

@The Role Cop (Kieldaman):

You said "Here is how our conversation went", but seems like we are missing your part of the conversation...

To clarify a few points:

1. You said I "will consider voting the SK after he hears the defense", which is entirely different from what I had said, "I will consider voting for if I am not convinced with his response". There is a large difference between "after I hear the defense" and "if I am not convinced with his response". Hearing is passive, Convincing is active.

2. And my post is not just a "summarising post", I added my opinion on their behaviour as well, that is why it is a commentary, not a summary. As for the "middle-of-the-pack", my question to you is, "How do you know?" when you said later on that "this isn't much to go with?". You vote on me seemed hasty and over generalised.

3. Having said that, I am placing my vote for The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs) because he has not appeared after sending that pm to you, The Role Cop (Kieldaman). He has been given ample time to check in and to respond.

Vote: The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs)

[Bob]

Vote: The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs)

He hasn't been back in awhile to explain things, and I don't particularly like his feel.

[def]

I think voting is still open... could The Cop please explain what he meant by that?

The werewolf had said somewhere that he wouldn't be around to close the thread on time. I thought the days end would have some relation to the days start, as per usual in these situations, but that was my mistake. Hopefully that clears things up for you.

[XimenaPaulina]

Regarding our earlier discussion about The Cop, I certainly appreciate that you are turning over a new leaf. Your behavior still strikes me as off, because you're not offering analysis in a non-aggressive way, you just seem to be active. Fluff is odd from you, with or without your tactical aggression. Maybe you've been more helpful than I remember. I'll look over your posts again.

After hearing from previous games that I was tactless, aggressive, even "rude", and all the talk about "honesty blah blah", I realize I had to change my style of game in a more composed and calm tone. It may strike you off but I'm trying to improve to hopefully help the town better without 'ticking' others off. If I will be metagamed by that, either positively or negatively, then so be it since I have no control on what others think of me. I'm just doing what I think is the best for town.

Do you have any idea why he didn't mention this publicly himself?

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I initially read his posts as messing around and having fun; they didn't seem especially suspicious to me. It was only Snakey's defence which caught my attention. If SK is scum, I don't see what he'd have to gain by contacting you so early on day one. You could both be scum, but even without direct quotes the conversation is hard to fake, so I doubt that. No, I'm inclined to agree with your read here, except:

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Did he ever do this? I didn't see it.

This is why I didn't want to share my conversation with the SK since I felt it would be best answered by him, and by the way things are going with his sudden absence it looks like I'm answering for him and other people think I'm defending him. I don't even know if the guy is town or scum, all I'm saying is I have a reason why I don't think he was being serious with his "logically-flawed" posts - because he told me privately about this. That is my personal belief. The rest of you could form their own judgment based on what I shared.

@Rufus: I don't know why he didn't mention the one unvote rule publicly. He is the only one who could answer that. Also, I don't know if he had time to "punce on the little mistakes of other" plan. Again, only he can answer.

@Hinckley, I shared the conversation info so people would know why he made those "logically-flawed" posts. It is up to them to decide if his reason for doing that is valid or scummy. My personal take is that a player of Walter's caliber wouldn't do such a careless gaffe, so I didn't take his posts seriously.

To the person who questioned why I didn't post my part of the conversation: I intentionally removed it since majority of them are useless out-of-game replies and I didn't think it mattered. If you (or anyone else who's curious about it), I could give you our exact conversations privately.

If people will become suspicious of me because of this perceived defense of the SK, then I'm open for any type of investigation (cop, role cop, etc.). Though I have a feeling that I may be killed by the scum due my activity.

[Hinckley]

After hearing from previous games that I was tactless, aggressive, even "rude", and all the talk about "honesty blah blah", I realize I had to change my style of game in a more composed and calm tone. It may strike you off but I'm trying to improve to hopefully help the town better without 'ticking' others off. If I will be metagamed by that, either positively or negatively, then so be it since I have no control on what others think of me. I'm just doing what I think is the best for town.

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to def.

If people will become suspicious of me because of this perceived defense of the SK, then I'm open for any type of investigation (cop, role cop, etc.). Though I have a feeling that I may be killed by the scum due my activity.

Everyone's open for investigation. The investigator doesn't need our permission.

[CMP]

Sorry everyone, the rest of the family showed up unexpectedly for a mass suicide. Then we realized that probably wouldn't count as a win and just went out to dinner.

I'll vote: The Usurper (Trumpetking). The case on him seems to have disappeared for some reason, and he's been pushing me pretty repeatedly to get my vote in on time, which, while a nice gesture, doesn't exactly sound townie. Seems more like he's trying to get on my good side or look helpful, both of which are good things to do when under suspicion for only acting helpful. Sorry if it sounds like I'm stabbing you in the back, but I've taken the earlier arguments against you into mind as well. Hollow usefulness is completely pointless. Quit trying to look so townie and do something townie, or at least do nothing to avoid looking like you're trying too hard.

[Tamamono]

Sorry everyone, the rest of the family showed up unexpectedly for a mass suicide. Then we realized that probably wouldn't count as a win and just went out to dinner.

I'll vote: The Usurper (Trumpetking). The case on him seems to have disappeared for some reason, and he's been pushing me pretty repeatedly to get my vote in on time, which, while a nice gesture, doesn't exactly sound townie. Seems more like he's trying to get on my good side or look helpful, both of which are good things to do when under suspicion for only acting helpful. Sorry if it sounds like I'm stabbing you in the back, but I've taken the earlier arguments against you into mind as well. Hollow usefulness is completely pointless. Quit trying to look so townie and do something townie, or at least do nothing to avoid looking like you're trying too hard.

Don't split the vote. Serial Killer or Cultist; pick one. (Pro tip: vote Cultist).

[TrumpetKing]

I wasn't pushing on you to get your vote in, or at least that wasn't my main point. I mentioned that I thought there was a penalty for not getting votes in, and that's it. I didn't pressure you at all, but that's entirely your opinion, which you are entitled to. Sorry if it sounded like I was pressuring you.

[Tamamono]

Also, I love how SK's getting votes for not being here even though Female Lover pretty much made it clear why he was gone. Scum are riding that bandwagon.

[Zepher]

Vote Count:

The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs): 7 (mostlytechnic, fhommes, Kristel, Clanure, Rufus, purpearljellyblob, Bob)

The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 5 (Kadabra, TrumpetKing, Tamamono, LegoDad, jamesn)

The Usurper (TrumpetKing): 2 (Fred Daniel Yam, CallMePie)

The Host (Zepher): 1 (def)

The PGO (Purpearljellyblob): 1 (KielDaMan)

The Doctor (PirateDave84): 1 (Esurient)

The Cop (def): 2 (Hinckley, PirateDave84)

The day has ended with the conviction of the Serial Killer. There is a 24 hour period for night actions. The sooner you get them in, the sooner the next day begins. I will post a little story with sunlight.

Edited May 28, 2013 by Zepher

[Zepher]

The members of Mafialand have started to build up their... village.

"Yarr!!" snarls the Serious Roleplayer in the least inspired of the efforts to build up a sort of theme, having only added a steering wheel to the card table from earlier.

"That's kind of uninspired," the Male Lover remarks.

"Yar be a land lubber," says the Serious Roleplayer in response.

"What's everyone doing?" asks the one armed knight with the smiley face.

"Well, I'll tell you!" says Zepher enthusiastically. "Everyone is building a facade. We don't have the time to build a real building, so we pretend by just building one side, and then we all agree that we'll only face the building from that side."

"That sounds like it saves on both time, and bricks!" exclaims the Knight.

"It sure does."

The dwellers of the Castle Themed Mafia game work enthusiastically together to put build the foundation to a castle looking thing. The Witch levitates the bricks if the Jester is unable to reach them.

Meanwhile, the Doctor, Goon and Usurper piece together a hospital.

"Wait, why are you helping out?" asks the Vanilla Townie.

"This will be a front for my illegal pill business," says the Godfather.

"Don't we already have a pill business?" asks the Vanilla Townie.

"Yeah, but mine's illegal."

"Oh, that makes sense," says the Vanilla Townie.

The members of the Semi-Sci-Fi flavored game have other things on their hands, however: lynching one of their own. The NPC and the Virgin bring the Serial Killer forth.

"Wait, whoz iz thatz?" asks the NPC, pointing to the one armed knight.

"You guys haven't noticed One-Armed-Pete yet?" asks Zepher in confusion. "He's been making all the crowd sounds."

"I talk to myself a lot," explains Pete. "Think of the children! There are no children."

"Oh!" everyone says in understanding. Then they begin to chant: "Eat her, eat her, eat her."

"Wait, am I a her?" asks the Serial Killer.

"No one really knows what gender anyone is!" explains the Jester. "Except the lovers, I guess!"

"That's the same exact complaint you had about my last game," hisses the Female Lover in Zepher's ear.

But, regardless of all the distractions, the crowd's intention is clear. "Eat the SK, eat the SK, eat the SK!" And then, something does.

"What the what?" asks the Virgin.

"That's Candice, the lynch dragon," Zepher explains.

"I thought you sort of implied you'd be eating the people we lynched..." the Talking Animal says sadly.

"I did!" Zepher tells everyone. "But Candice is the lynch dragon. She'll tell us the SK's alignment in the morning!"

"How will she discover it?" someone asks.

"Shhhhhhhh," says Zepher. "Go to sleep."

"There's not really a sun... or night here..." the Cop points out.

"Yeah, but if we don't go to sleep, we won't allow anyone to use their night actions," Zepher explains. Everyone ohs and aws at his logic.

"A lot of the reasoning in this game is a little weak," the RoleCop whispers to the Godfather.

You have 2 hours to get in night actions. The new day will be up in about 14.

Edited May 28, 2013 by Zepher