Mafia Mafia: Day One - Day One

[Hinckley]

Didn't he just do that?

Sorry. I didn't see the new posts.

[TrumpetKing]

I think currently, the vote that makes the most sense is the one behind the Serial Killer. Though I think the NPC is acting weird, the Serial Killer s logic is also very strange. The Werewolf has already said that everything would be randomized. Do you have anything to follow up or clarify about your logic in that statement? Because I think everybody here would appreciate some.

[jimmynick]

I'm going to Vote: The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs). I hope he does come back soon to respond to the unrest over his dodgy logic.

[TrumpetKing]

NPC, I just re-read Role Player's statement. I had read that wrong, and thought he was quoting me. Oops.

[Adam]

Greetings. I am the stump. We stumps are a pensive breed.

I've made the fewest contributions today, and thus I'm probably in no position to criticize the contributions of others. But who gives a stump. Unhelpfulness and roleplaying are commonplace on the first day because we have little else to do or talk about. I'm always interested to see who starts the accusations, especially when we have so little to go on. Today, those accusers appear to be the Vanilla Townie (Kristel) and the First Day Lynch (jamesn).

However, they appear to be newer players, and my roots are telling me that they're just trying to be helpful, or at the very least, appear helpful.

As noted by the Role Cop (KielDaMan), I think that knowing the game roles and whatnot has really thrown us off our stumps. There's less of that unknown or mysterious feeling, and as a result there's less for us to be paranoid or suspicious about. I'm not particularly suspicious of anyone at this point. Then again, we stumps are a stupid breed, too.

The Tree Stump could help you with that!

Please, this is not of the stump. I do not like being chopped up and made into a cabin. Or being used as a chair.

[XimenaPaulina]

Some might've overlooked this detail in the game rules, so just to remind everybody:

You may only unvote once a day.

So let us all be careful with casting our votes (even if there's no concrete case yet this early). It would've been better if there was no unvoting limitation such as this so we could extract more reactions from accusations, but let's just exercise extra care with the voting ok? (thanks to a fellow player who pointed this out to me also privately)

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I realize I have been quite inactive today myself despite my observation earlier that the overall silence isn't an encouraging sign for the town, so pls. excuse me since I was quite busy doing something outside our grey-baseplated world. But I was peeking in the room from time-to-time and listening to the on-going conversations, and here are my observations:

1. The first few accusations, no matter how weak and baseless they are, are most likely to be random town accusations, as I don't see the scum drawing unnecessary attention and scrutiny at this early stage of the game. So at least for the time being, personally, I'm clearing the NPC (Esurient), the First Day Lynch (jamesn) and the bald Vanilla (Kristel) for this particular reason.

2. Those who jumped over those who made the early accusations are people to watch out for. The Goon (fhomess), the Usurper (TrumpetKing). Not really high-level threats but we could go back at their posts when the need arises.

3. Like what the Female Lover mentioned, the silent and inactive players are the most suspicious ones (unfortunately, including me as per Hinck's list ). I agree most likely the scum could be hiding there.

So who am I suspecting at this point? One person that seems to be "off" his usual town game is The Cop (def). Yes he has posted 8 times but most of it are playful role-playing only. He may have his own reasons but I was expecting something more from a player his caliber. And what's even more surprising is the Female Lover seems to have conveniently dismissed this on her list just because his post count is relatively high compared to others (?). Sorry for mentioning this but it seems rather unnatural to see the Female Lover and the Cop in "very friendly terms" this early part of the game.

[Tamamono]

Hey, sorry all, been fairly busy.

The Serious Roleplayer (Tamamono) - Talked like a pirate, picked a pill, left. Someone asked a direct question and he hasn't answered.

Err, where was that? It may because I can only read out of one eye, but I haven't noticed any direct questions.

As an extraterrestrial, I tend to take a step back to have a clearer read on these biological beings before saying anything. These biological beings caught my attention because The Talking Animal appears to be talking to The Snake Charmer, but The Ursurper responded to the Talking Animal instead. And when The Serious Roleplayer commented on The Snake Charmer's comments, The Ursurper responded to The Serious Roleplayer. I find it weird because this is not how the social dynamics work in my DAMSMQ-IAANP69 system. But it might be different here in this land. But I agree with The Male Lover that I might be reading too much into these biological beings' behaviour. Speaking of helpfulness...

I'm not sure I follow.

The discussion about character names and roles started by The Role Cop also caught my attention. I though The Serial Killer's contributions to this discussion was interesting because he made two posts with flawed logic. The first was this:

The Doctor pointed out the flawed logic:

Yet The Serial Killer came back with more flawed logic:

If character names and roles are randomly assigned, there's every possibility that someone's name actually reflects their role. Maybe The Serial Killer doesn't want to raise the possibility that a character name reflects the role because he is the SK?

This is actually a fairly good point - better than anything thus far. SK, do you have anything to say?

[Hinckley]

However, they appear to be newer players, and my roots are telling me that they're just trying to be helpful, or at the very least, appear helpful.

First day accusations seldom come from Scum. Are you saying they would?

Some might've overlooked this detail in the game rules, so just to remind everybody:

And I even made it a point to read the rules carefully and missed that. That's unfortunate. I used to use that rule and no longer do because the Cop told me it didn't help the Town and I agree. So, here's my proposal. Let's use fake voting.

For example, I fake vote: Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs because he's just been weird with his logic talk. We can keep our own tally and once we are all agreed, place votes during the final 12 hours or whenever people are set with their votes. Silly rules cause for proactive players. Sorry, Werewolf. It's silly.

1. The first few accusations, no matter how weak and baseless they are, are most likely to be random town accusations, as I don't see the scum drawing unnecessary attention and scrutiny at this early stage of the game. So at least for the time being, personally, I'm clearing the NPC (Esurient), the First Day Lynch (jamesn) and the bald Vanilla (Kristel) for this particular reason.

2. Those who jumped over those who made the early accusations are people to watch out for. The Goon (fhomess), the Usurper (TrumpetKing). Not really high-level threats but we could go back at their posts when the need arises.

These are two really good points and The Goon and The Usurper would fall into the other safe place for Scum: Middle-of-the-road. I'd add The Witch there too.

So who am I suspecting at this point? One person that seems to be "off" his usual town game is The Cop (def). Yes he has posted 8 times but most of it are playful role-playing only. He may have his own reasons but I was expecting something more from a player his caliber. And what's even more surprising is the Female Lover seems to have conveniently dismissed this on her list just because his post count is relatively high compared to others (?). Sorry for mentioning this but it seems rather unnatural to see the Female Lover and the Cop in "very friendly terms" this early part of the game.

This is a really good point. One, because I also noticed this behavior from The Cop and two, because I actually decided not to mention it because of our past. I like healing wounds between The Cop and I and don't want to ruffle feathers. So, I tucked that suspicion to the back of my brain. That might not appear to be helpful, but if it ended up that me and him went back and forth at each other (which I hope we wouldn't do anymore either way) then the Scum would really have something to cause distraction and it could potentially really hurt the Town.

Err, where was that? It may because I can only read out of one eye, but I haven't noticed any direct questions.

It is not my job to read the thread for you. I already read it over thoroughly to find these points. If you can't find the one question someone asked you, that's on you.

I'll fake unvote: The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs) and fake vote: The Cult Leader (Rufus) because I'm more worried about his lack of activity than I am The Cop's joking attitude, my gut feeling about The Vanilla Townie and the super-off logic of The Serial Killer...although those are my other loud pings at the moment.

Maybe fake votes should be done like this fake vote: The Cult Leader (Rufus) so they are easier to catch since we'd be keeping our own tally.

[DarthPotato]

As for me, I think the worst thing I've seen yet in day 1 is the SK's logical wrongness. So I'm going to

Vote: The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs)

for now at least...

I usually find the votes that have little explanation and then end with the voter saying something along the lines of "I may unvote him later" to be suspicious. As pointed out, we can only unvote once. So I think this prevents people from being so wishy-washy on their votes.

Also, Blacked out Figure, have you found anything yet? You said you'd be looking for something.

[Kadabra]

Wow, face palm. Cursed Pill it is. I honestly can't believe that some people have tossed votes on people for D1 weirdness already. Last game I did that in I got two townies lynched, I'd like to think I won't repeat that mistake again. With only one Unvote available, we should be far more cautious with where we place our votes. I think Hinckley's idea (I'd like to think it was based on my FoSs in Jedi Temple, but we all know it's a fairly common idea ) is probably the best, so I'll Fake Vote: The Usurper (TrumpetKing) for being the first to jump on someone with a confusing train of thought (common on D1) and then immediately wasting his Unvote.

[Bob]

Well, I don't know who to necessarily "fake vote" or whatnot.

Here goes: fakevote: The Virgin (Clanure), because he's a bit odd and sticks out to me for some reason. I can't put my finger on it yet. Call it a "Day One Pokey-Feeler".

Also, Blacked out Figure, have you found anything yet? You said you'd be looking for something.

I said I'd be rereading the topic a few times, but as I said, I can't find anything else that's necessarily out of the ordinary that's not Day One banter.

[Hinckley]

Wow, face palm. Cursed Pill it is. I honestly can't believe that some people have tossed votes on people for D1 weirdness already. Last game I did that in I got two townies lynched, I'd like to think I won't repeat that mistake again. With only one Unvote available, we should be far more cautious with where we place our votes. I think Hinckley's idea (I'd like to think it was based on my FoSs in Jedi Temple, but we all know it's a fairly common idea ) is probably the best, so I'll Fake Vote: The Usurper (TrumpetKing) for being the first to jump on someone with a confusing train of thought (common on D1) and then immediately wasting his Unvote.

I didn't play nor read Jedi Temple, so kudos to you for being a genius. And I'm not being sarcastic. I think it's a great idea.

I don't think a vote for The Serial Killer for Day One weirdness is as weird as the two players you're referring to that were lynched. The Serial Killer should know better than what he's been saying about logic being behind our character names.

And I apologize, Werewolf, this is actually a great idea. It goes back to why I wanted to do it in the first place, it gets people talking more and working together more. If we're fake voting together and deciding when to cast our votes, it will lead to more activity. I like it again. Sorry to criticize.

[TrumpetKing]

That's a great idea, Hinckley. Sorry if I'm in the "Middle-of-the-pack", I thought I was being mire helpful than some.

Kadabra, I may have wasted my vote, and jumped on somebody who was acting confusing, but it was brought up that they were joking, and I forgave them. If I were serious about him, I would have voted for him. However, SK is confusing me very much, and I want to hear from him.

Fake vote: Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs)

[TrumpetKing]

I meant "may have wasted my *un*vote".

[Kadabra]

It is definitely true that the SK's logic is way off. Every one of us should know that names and roles are randomized, so if he wasn't joking it would be a very odd thing to say. Have we gotten a response from him yet? I don't believe we have, so I'd like t hear his defense before dropping a fake vote on him. Anyway, Un Fake Vote: The Usurper (TrumpetKing)

[DarthPotato]

Yeah... I do find it odd with all the voting and fake voting towards the Serial Killer when he hasn't even had the chance to explain himself yet. Give him a little time and be patient. I know we don't have all day but we shouldn't rush into this.

[mostlytechnic]

I usually find the votes that have little explanation and then end with the voter saying something along the lines of "I may unvote him later" to be suspicious. As pointed out, we can only unvote once. So I think this prevents people from being so wishy-washy on their votes.

Well, this IS only my second game (Aperture Academy and this) and I don't think i ever unvoted more than once in a day there. In fact, I probably only unvoted a couple times in the whole 10 day game. Kaadus don't vote lightly - I'd have no hesitation leaving my vote as is, unless BOTH the SK gave a good explanation AND someone more scummy appeared.

Still, I think the fakevote is a good idea and I'll definitely use it if I'm just poking someone in the future. I also think the unvote limit is a good idea like the female lover said - especially with how slow we've started here, anything to get more talking and interaction going is a good thing.

[Purpearljellyblob]

@ Female Lover (Hinckley) - "watch and see" I meant I will observe for any weird behaviours or activity.

I apologise for my late post , here are some commentary on what has transpired so far:

1. Talking Animal (mostlytechnic), Jester (callmepie), First Day Lynch (jamesn) - Some people might take lynch jokes seriously, some people might not. You might say they are just role play and jokes but I suppose jokes on such matters should cease by now if you are serious in finding scum.

2. Stump (adam) - A late start, it is good to see you started off with a serious tone but I am still not convinced with your contributions so far. I will be observing your activity.

3. NPC (esurient) - The first few posts you have made are rather vague, but you have subsequently clarified yourself. I can see you are trying to help by analysing behaviour, but being vague won't help Town at all. I suggest coming straight to the point from now.

4. Vanilla Town (kristel), Female Lover (hinckley) - Made some good observations, especially with the issue on the Serial Killer (walter kovacs), whom I will consider voting for if I am not convinced with his response.

5. Role Cop (kieldaman) - Raised the issue of the 'friendliness' between the Cop (def) and Female Lover (hinckley) for which I will take note for future analysis.

6. Finally, last but not least, the people with very little activity.

Cult Leader (rufus), Cultist (fred daniel yam) and Virgin (clanure) - At least the Cult Leader (rufus) attempted some behavioural analysis but I am still not convinced with your contributions so far. I will be observing your activity.

[mostlytechnic]

Yeah... I do find it odd with all the voting and fake voting towards the Serial Killer when he hasn't even had the chance to explain himself yet. Give him a little time and be patient. I know we don't have all day but we shouldn't rush into this.

well, it HAS been like 30 hours since his statements.

1. Talking Animal (mostlytechnic), Jester (callmepie), First Day Lynch (jamesn) - Some people might take lynch jokes seriously, some people might not. You might say they are just role play and jokes but I suppose jokes on such matters should cease by now if you are serious in finding scum.

exactly - my joking about the snake arms was on the first page of posts, MY first post in the day, and the topic was dropped by me a long time ago. You note I didn't vote or even fakevote for him....

[Adam]

First day accusations seldom come from Scum. Are you saying they would?

I was trying to say that I didn't think they looked suspicious because they were making first day accusations (the Role Cop (KielDaMan) made this point much better than I did). Sorry, we stumps are stupid and have trouble getting across our ideas. By the way, good thought on the fake voting. People should also remember that the rules will apparently change from day to day.

It is definitely true that the SK's logic is way off. Every one of us should know that names and roles are randomized, so if he wasn't joking it would be a very odd thing to say.

Based on the tone of all of his posts, I've gotten the impression that the Serial Killer (walter kovacs) was kidding around. That said, the Talking Animal (mostlytechnic) makes a stumping good point:

well, it HAS been like 30 hours since his statements.

It has been a while since the fake bandwagon started, and I'm really interested to see how he responds to it.

[Rufus]

Yeah... I do find it odd with all the voting and fake voting towards the Serial Killer when he hasn't even had the chance to explain himself yet. Give him a little time and be patient. I know we don't have all day but we shouldn't rush into this.

Now this is a day one defence. No-one should be defending another so openly at this stage unless they have knowledge of their alignment. I seem to recall someone else's (Usurper's) soft defence of the Snake Charmer ealier in the day.

I believe this is evidence enough for the Snake Charmer being a scum. Either Serial Killer is a fellow scum, or Snakey knows he is town so can say 'I told you so' if he's lynched.

I see no need for fake voting here. There's stuff to learn from this lynch.

Vote: DarthPotato (Snake Charmer)

[DarthPotato]

Now this is a day one defence. No-one should be defending another so openly at this stage unless they have knowledge of their alignment. I seem to recall someone else's (Usurper's) soft defence of the Snake Charmer ealier in the day.

I believe this is evidence enough for the Snake Charmer being a scum. Either Serial Killer is a fellow scum, or Snakey knows he is town so can say 'I told you so' if he's lynched.

I see no need for fake voting here. There's stuff to learn from this lynch.

Vote: DarthPotato (Snake Charmer)

It's just my thoughts on the matter. Yeah, he had flawed logic, but I do want to see his response on everything. I don't like voting for people when they don't even get the chance to defend them self. Anyway, I think you're jumping to conclusions way too fast here. I didn't state my opinion on the Serial Killer's affiliation at all, I said I wanted to hear what he had to say first.

[mostlytechnic]

Gotta say, I see much wisdom in our Cult Leader's thoughts on the snake charmer.

[DarthPotato]

Gotta say, I see much wisdom in our Cult Leader's thoughts on the snake charmer.

How? Maybe you could explain yourself and why you agree with him instead of just saying you do. That way, I'll at least be able to respond to you somehow.

[Zepher]

[interlude]

"Oh finally, an interlude," says someone.

"Alright, time to get talking! What's with the lack of scenery, and why are we planting a garden? What the hell is the theme of this game, anyway?" asks the Cop accusatorially.

"Well, I'm glad you asked," answers Zepher. "Since we are on the infinite Mafia Plane, and the other host died before he could pick a theme, there is nothing here! This is the base level of a Mafia Game. The host generally picks a theme, and then the appropriate buildings and scenery pop up."

"So what's with the garden?"

"Well, we don't have a theme yet, but I wanted to get to work, so I picked a garden. Gardens are in every Mafia game. The Baritones, Witch Hunt, Mystery Castle, Eurodina, etc. A garden is always a safe bet."

"But what about sci-fi ones?"

"Shut up."

"I don't understand how bushes can grow on off-white carpet."

"This theme is still kind of confusing. I think Zepher was just being lazy. Kill me!"

"Look guys, this is sort of like hair!"

Vote Count:

The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs): 2 (mostlytechnic, jamesn)

The Treestump (Adam): 1 (LegoDad)

The Snake Charmer (DarthPotato): 1 (Rufus)

Rufus, you technically formatted your vote wrong. I counted it, but this is the groups one collective warning.

The day will end in 27 hours. I will be at work tomorrow, and unable to close the thread at the exact right time. Your pill results will be coming in in about three hours. My secondary job just called, and asked if I wouldn't mind coming in.