Mafia Mafia: Day One - Day One

[Tamamono]

I found it, Female Lover!

I'm sorry, asking for what? I don't quite understand your statement.

I was implying that his snakes were, in fact, flipping us all off.

That's a great idea, Hinckley. Sorry if I'm in the "Middle-of-the-pack", I thought I was being mire helpful than some.

Kadabra, I may have wasted my vote, and jumped on somebody who was acting confusing, but it was brought up that they were joking, and I forgave them. If I were serious about him, I would have voted for him. However, SK is confusing me very much, and I want to hear from him.

Bad + forced post. His apology reads weird, but it could easily be low confidence at work; it can't very well be read as one affiliation or another without taking everything else into account. However, the real ping here is his second statement; he quickly defends himself (and for something that was fairly obviously not much of a scumtell, at that), and then jumps on possibly the most prosecuted person here.

What's worse is that I don't really see this in your character, Usurper. You're still learning the ropes to an extent, yes, but I see you as a fairly strong player. You have a fairly - I'm not sure how to describe it - towngame. Not aggressive, but it's proactive in a really townie way. You're being fairly proactive here too, but you seem more... reserved, I suppose.

I don't like it, honestly.

Fake Vote: Usurper (Trumpetking)

I'm going to go back and analyze all of Usurper's posts thus far; I feel like it'll help my thought process in relation to his innocence/guilt.

Now this is a day one defence. No-one should be defending another so openly at this stage unless they have knowledge of their alignment. I seem to recall someone else's (Usurper's) soft defence of the Snake Charmer ealier in the day.

I believe this is evidence enough for the Snake Charmer being a scum. Either Serial Killer is a fellow scum, or Snakey knows he is town so can say 'I told you so' if he's lynched.

I see no need for fake voting here. There's stuff to learn from this lynch.

Vote: DarthPotato (Snake Charmer)

I have to admit, I actually like this train of thought. I'd be cool with a Snake Charmer lynch too.

It's just my thoughts on the matter. Yeah, he had flawed logic, but I do want to see his response on everything. I don't like voting for people when they don't even get the chance to defend them self. Anyway, I think you're jumping to conclusions way too fast here. I didn't state my opinion on the Serial Killer's affiliation at all, I said I wanted to hear what he had to say first.

While I understand wanting to hear his thoughts first (I, too, usually ask for an explanation before placing a vote), your manner here suggests exactly what Cult Leader said.

[DarthPotato]

I have to admit, I actually like this train of thought. I'd be cool with a Snake Charmer lynch too.

While I understand wanting to hear his thoughts first (I, too, usually ask for an explanation before placing a vote), your manner here suggests exactly what Cult Leader said.

If you have the same opinion as me on that, then why would you want me to be lynched? All I said was that I wanted to hear the Serial Killer speak and that I found it odd that everyone was on to him before he had the chance to defend himself. Consider it a defense if you want, but to me it was my thoughts on what was currently happening.

[Tamamono]

Let's kill the scum! Especially the Godfather, he must die! Where is he? Didn't he say he was vanilla? Does that mean the Godfather isn't the one I supposedly have to find? So many questions, all over just one godfather.

But... but.... You're an NPC....

Has anybody seen the Godfather? I must kill him!

Clearly, you're a guy in a track suit. But I'm looking for the godfather...... Where is he?!

No content in the first three. I can't really get a read from them, though; pretty much everyone was just roleplaying at gamestart (especially me).

Surely, you must realize that they are snakes, correct? Perhaps you are the true Godfather, attempting to get rid of a poor, lowly man who is forced to charm snakes, just because of his occupation? I still don't know what animal you are, though. May I pet you?

Again roleplaying. I feel like the way he responded Talking Animal's obvious joke is weird, though.

Like, I don't know if I should feel like he's well-meaning town who can't understand written irony or if he's scum defending a partner. Hell, he could even be scum trying to pretend he's town with poor reading comprehension. Still, this should be kept in mind for once information about one or the other surfaces as the game goes on.

I'm sorry, asking for what? I don't quite understand your statement.

Still looking for that Godfather... seeing as the only place I can search is practically nowhere, I've taken the opportunity to search everybody's pants... Lovers, it appears both of you are keeping bananas in your pants... Are you collecting them, or saving them? I would love a banana if I may have one.

Hello? Anybody here? It is awfully quiet. Perhaps the Godfather's footsteps will be heard if I listen closely...

Roleplaying.

I'll have the Mystical Pill, please, because I heard that they contain a day's serving of rainbows, unicorns, and carbohydrates.

Mr. Cult Leader, how is it that what I said appears to be a defense? I can see how, but my true intention was to say that the Talking Animal's logic wasn't making much sense. I couldn't tell if he was joking or not, so I brought up a clarification. I do hope he was joking, because I don't think lynching people based off of looks is a great plan.

I must ask, how could you not tell if he was joking or not? It was the first page of the first day; do you unironically think that there's someone out there who would lynch someone just because it looked like they were giving the camera the finger?

I have to admit, I also find the talking animal's baseless accusation somewhat odd, but I think we should wait and hear what he has to say before we jump to any conclusons.

You are referring to the SK accusation here, yes?

Talking Animal, I dd consider the fact that you weren't serious, in case you were wondering. No need to react so strongly.

Then why did you react to it as if it was serious...?

I was being sarcastic, to answer your question. According to a few mafia websites, the usurper is a scum role that has to find the godfather to win. He has to outlive the godfather, so I was just playing around with my own name. Sorry to cause confusion.

Explanation of roleplaying, it appears.

Funny story, I was just thinking about voting. I'm voting for the NPC, but if he can clarify his suspicions, then I will unvote him.

Vote: The NPC (Esurient)

I don't get this vote. While I don't believe Role Cop told us about the 1 unvote rule at this point, it's still a little weird to vote someone with the intention of unvoting them. This isn't even like the "I'm going to vote for this lurker until they talk" kinda deal; it's just straightup bad play. What on earth were you thinking with this?

Oops, he just posted an explanation. I'll take a look and see if it's worth changing my vote.

Uhh.

I was speaking for the Snake Charmer because

A.) I didn't see whether the Snake Charmer was awake or not.

B.) I was explaining to Talking Animal that those "fingers" were snakes, due to section A. I also felt the need to point out that his logic was off by clarifying the snake situation.

Do know that I considered that he was joking, so it maybe wasn't necessary, but I felt like I should have brought up the logic used, when I wasn't sure if it was a joke o not.

You did provide an explanation, and I do think you had some reason behind it, so I will

Unvote: The NPC (Esurient)

Why do you feel the need to overjustify your serious response to an obvious joke. Like I said, it could be a scumtell, but I honestly can't read it one way or another right now - and I doubt anyone else can either.

You're coming off as anxious and fickle. I don't like it.

I think currently, the vote that makes the most sense is the one behind the Serial Killer. Though I think the NPC is acting weird, the Serial Killer s logic is also very strange. The Werewolf has already said that everything would be randomized. Do you have anything to follow up or clarify about your logic in that statement? Because I think everybody here would appreciate some.

Probably the most protown post he's made. Nothing really scummy here.

If you have the same opinion as me on that, then why would you want me to be lynched? All I said was that I wanted to hear the Serial Killer speak and that I found it odd that everyone was on to him before he had the chance to defend himself. Consider it a defense if you want, but to me it was my thoughts on what was currently happening.

Sorry if my response wasn't the clearest thing in the world; I was practically thinking out loud. Even now, I'm pretty much just thinking out loud.

What I'm saying is that I understand your defense, and it makes sense, and I've been there. However, I mean that just as any townie response is easily faked by scum, so is this. I'm saying I doubt that your wish for the Serial Killer to testify before we do anything is insincere.

[TrumpetKing]

In response to the Serious Roleplayer:

I would call my "quick defense" more of an explanation. If defense is a more appropriate word to you, by all means, use defense, but that's your opinion. If I'm called out for something, I'm going to explain it. That's how I am, and how I have always been. I didn't realize there was a 1 unvote rule, so I didn't think about it, and I brought the SK up as an example. I said if I were serious, then my vote would have been for Talking Animal, but it wasn't. Serial Killer was looking more suspicious so I fake-voted him, because I'm not going to be completely convinced he's scum until he talks. Serial Killer was merely an example. About my first sentence: I do agree with you. I have a tendency to say things that sound fine in my head, but end up jumbled when I say them. I'm sure there's one of those somewhere in this post. It looks fine to me, though.

[Kadabra]

Now this is a day one defence. No-one should be defending another so openly at this stage unless they have knowledge of their alignment. I seem to recall someone else's (Usurper's) soft defence of the Snake Charmer ealier in the day.

I believe this is evidence enough for the Snake Charmer being a scum. Either Serial Killer is a fellow scum, or Snakey knows he is town so can say 'I told you so' if he's lynched.

I see no need for fake voting here. There's stuff to learn from this lynch.

Vote: DarthPotato (Snake Charmer)

Your logic follows, and it's probably the best lead of the day so far - SK may be floundering scum that Snake Charmer was trying to reign in. Not sure I want to vote immediately, but we should definitely apply pressure and see what cracks.

[TrumpetKing]

I see you have added more. In response:

Section 1: As you said, I was just roleplaying.

Section 2: Talking Animal's post didn't read as a joke to me at first. However, I'm not used to seeing him around here, so I don't know if he is usually like this. I do read it as a joke now, though. I did have a feeling he was joking after my post, however.

Section 3:Roleplaying

Section 4: See section 2. And I've seen people get accused over incredibly stupid things before, so I guess it was just habit. If I were entirely serious he would have been my vote choice.

Section 5: No, I was referring to Talking Animal's, I believe. That was when I really started to realize that he was joking.

Section 6: Yes, in response to the Vanilla Townie.

Section 7:I've made votes like that plenty of times before. And that is exactly the vote example you just gave. Voting somebody until they can talk and/or explain themselves.

Section 8: Uhh what? He posted while I did.

Section9: Because I thought he was serious and I was asked about it. Like I said, if I'm asked something, expect me to respond, because when people don't respond, the question askers tend to get mad and occasionally flip out over because somebody missed a quick question.

[def]

So who am I suspecting at this point? One person that seems to be "off" his usual town game is The Cop (def). Yes he has posted 8 times but most of it are playful role-playing only. He may have his own reasons but I was expecting something more from a player his caliber. And what's even more surprising is the Female Lover seems to have conveniently dismissed this on her list just because his post count is relatively high compared to others (?). Sorry for mentioning this but it seems rather unnatural to see the Female Lover and the Cop in "very friendly terms" this early part of the game.

Sorry I haven't come in and bullied and dominated people. I know I have to in order to maintain my image

5. Role Cop (kieldaman) - Raised the issue of the 'friendliness' between the Cop (def) and Female Lover (hinckley) for which I will take note for future analysis.

I suppose you could call not fighting with someone a form of friendliness. I would call it not fighting myself. I don't think we have even interacted.

Folks are all free to accuse me if they like for not being myself. I'm trying to take a very different approach with this situation, though some of it is simply being busy. I would say that, yet again, in a past life I've been urged to rethink my approach. In this case, the result is that I'm going to ease into this game, rather than attack it from day one. I've surfed the thread, but haven't combed through it. Even the accusations with lots of analysis don't seem to be very conclusive. Nine out of ten times, I'm wrong with my day one lynch, so I'm in no rush to throw accusations out myself.

Don't worry though, I'm here, and I appreciate the fact that if I don't fight or act like a dick, that is a scum tell on me for some people, the irony isn't lost on me

[Fred Daniel Yam]

I too, think that the Snake Charmer is somewhat fishy in his "defence". Although the Usurper has been rather.. roleplaying today and not contributing in general. Something I'm at fault with too, I think his activity isn't as fishy as Snake Charmer's today. I'd like to say that the NPC's just as fishy today but I'm leaning towards Snake Charmer for now but I won't vote for him just yet.

[mostlytechnic]

How? Maybe you could explain yourself and why you agree with him instead of just saying you do. That way, I'll at least be able to respond to you somehow.

Well, here's what he'd said that I was agreeing to:

Now this is a day one defence. No-one should be defending another so openly at this stage unless they have knowledge of their alignment. I seem to recall someone else's (Usurper's) soft defence of the Snake Charmer ealier in the day.

I believe this is evidence enough for the Snake Charmer being a scum. Either Serial Killer is a fellow scum, or Snakey knows he is town so can say 'I told you so' if he's lynched.

I see no need for fake voting here. There's stuff to learn from this lynch.

And I agree exactly. Didn't see a reason to restate it, but I will since you asked. The way Snake defended SK seemed scummy to me - why jumping in to defend someone like that so early? Heck, i flat out said when I voted that I was open to changing it. It was a pretty soft vote and if the suggestion of fakevoting had been made I MIGHT have fakevoted SK. However, SK's logic still seems so flawed to me that it comes across to me as deliberately misleading. So, if I think SK is scummy, then snake defending SK is scummy too. Heck, the defense seemed scummy even if SK wasn't suspicious, given that it's day 1 and no one has any real basis for trust yet. So, at this point, I'd be ok with a lynch on SK or snake. Since my vote was already placed and we only have 1 unvote, I don't see a reason yet to change it.

All I said was that I wanted to hear the Serial Killer speak and that I found it odd that everyone was on to him before he had the chance to defend himself. Consider it a defense if you want, but to me it was my thoughts on what was currently happening.

I'm willing to listen to SK too - but I'm not waiting when it's been over 30 hours. And I'm not openly defending him since I have no reason to trust him.

[Kadabra]

I too, think that the Snake Charmer is somewhat fishy in his "defence". Although the Usurper has been rather.. roleplaying today and not contributing in general. Something I'm at fault with too, I think his activity isn't as fishy as Snake Charmer's today. I'd like to say that the NPC's just as fishy today but I'm leaning towards Snake Charmer for now but I won't vote for him just yet.

If you believe he's Scum them why not vote for him? Do you know he's Town so you can 'I told you so' us tomorrow? fake Vote: The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam). At this point, when there is literally nothing solid to go on, there shouldn't be any "I won't vote for him yet"s. do you expect him to produce any evidence? No NAs, the only thing that could produce actual evidence, have come in yet. The only thing we can go on is behavior, so if you find Snake Charmer's suspicious, you should vote him. Actually, I'll take my own advice. Vote: The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam) for wishy-washyness.

[TrumpetKing]

I too, think that the Snake Charmer is somewhat fishy in his "defence". Although the Usurper has been rather.. roleplaying today and not contributing in general. Something I'm at fault with too, I think his activity isn't as fishy as Snake Charmer's today. I'd like to say that the NPC's just as fishy today but I'm leaning towards Snake Charmer for now but I won't vote for him just yet.

You say Snake Charmer is acting suspicious, yet you do the exact same thing that got him suspicion? Seems a bit weird to me.

And I'd like to add, Cultist, that while you say I haven't added anything, I have added much more than you, IMO. I was only role-playing at the beginning.....

[jimmynick]

I'll tally up the fake votes for now:

The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs): 1 (The Female Lover (Hinckley))

The Usurper (Trumpetking): 3 (The Snake Charmer (DarthPotato), The Godfather (Kadabra), The Serious Roleplayer (Tamamono))

The Virgin (Clanure): 1 (Blacked-Out NA Guy (Bob))

And real votes:

The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs): 2 (The Talking Animal (mostlytechnic), The First Day Lynch (jamesn))

The Tree Stump (Adam): 1 (The Male Lover (LegoDad))

The Snake Charmer (DarthPotato): 1 (The Cult Leader (Rufus))

The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 1 (The Godfather (Kadabra))

So we have a lynch subject favoured by a minority (3 of 23). We should get more people fakevoting so we can have consensus when the lynch comes around. Stand up and have your fakevotes counted, people!

Considering the events of the past few hours, I think The Serial Killer's faux pas is more forgivable than others'. I think I will fakevote: The Usurper (Trumpetking) because he's talking too much to say very little about what he's been doing on Day One, of all times. He strikes me as paranoid and worried that every little thing he does looks like a scumtell.

[TrumpetKing]

Your fake vote tally is far off. I fake voted Serial Killer and Godfather un-fake voted me. I'm not worried everything I'm doing is a scumtell. I'm explaining everything so those that ask me questions don't crap their pants if I don't answer them. And since when has 3/23 been a majority? And how am I talking too much to say very little about what I've been doing on Day 1? Please clarify.

I read the majority part wrong. I see it now says minority.

[jimmynick]

Sorry I messed up the tally on Fake Votes. Here goes:

The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs): 2 (The Female Lover (Hinckley), The Usurper (Trumpetking))

The Usurper (Trumpetking): 3 (The Snake Charmer (DarthPotato), The Serious Roleplayer (Tamamono), The First Day Lynch (jamesn))

The Virgin (Clanure): 1 (Blacked-Out NA Guy (Bob))

To clarify what I said to The Usurper: I think you're posting lots of times about saying the Snake Charmer has snakes in his hands as if you are worried about something. You (and The Serious Roleplayer) are making a big deal over Day One silly banter and its after-effects. The Serious Roleplayer is hounding you for almost nothing, and you are submitting.

You don't have to answer every question, especially if some are silly (e.g. "Why did you say the Snake Charmer has snakes, instead of the Snake Charmer saying so?"). If an accusation like that is stupid, it should just slide off without you doing anything. What it looks like to me is that you are trying to dig yourself out of a hole that wasn't there to begin with, but is forming around you now.

But now I think a little more, I find The Serious Roleplayer suspicious for coming out with such a detailed and extensive analysis of your posts and going after you for the Page One chatting.

Unfakevote The Usurper (Trumpetking)

Fakevote The Serious Roleplayer (Tamamono)

[TrumpetKing]

Thank you for the clarification. I feel the need to answer the questions, because if I don't, I'll be told things like "You didn't answer me", so I'm just trying to stay on top of them. Sorry if that bothers you.

Did anybody notice The Cultist's weird statement? I mentioned it earlier, but it was really strange. It was basically like saying "I think Snake Charmer is scum because he said he would hold off from voting for Serial Killer, but I'm going to hold off from voting for him".

[Zepher]

Vote Count:

The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs): 2 (mostlytechnic, jamesn)

The Treestump (Adam): 1 (LegoDad)

The Snake Charmer (DarthPotato): 1 (Rufus)

The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 1 (Kadabra)

All pills should be out. If you didn't receive a PM detailing your pills effect, please PM me. There are 23 hours left in the day.

[Tamamono]

I would call my "quick defense" more of an explanation. If defense is a more appropriate word to you, by all means, use defense, but that's your opinion. If I'm called out for something, I'm going to explain it. That's how I am, and how I have always been. I didn't realize there was a 1 unvote rule, so I didn't think about it, and I brought the SK up as an example. I said if I were serious, then my vote would have been for Talking Animal, but it wasn't. Serial Killer was looking more suspicious so I fake-voted him, because I'm not going to be completely convinced he's scum until he talks. Serial Killer was merely an example. About my first sentence: I do agree with you. I have a tendency to say things that sound fine in my head, but end up jumbled when I say them. I'm sure there's one of those somewhere in this post. It looks fine to me, though.

Alright, thanks for clarifying a few of those things. When it comes down to the justification, it's a matter of playstyle. The voting thing I can definitely believe; not too happy with the fact that you're throwing out those votes, but I can understand and believe it.

Section 2: Talking Animal's post didn't read as a joke to me at first. However, I'm not used to seeing him around here, so I don't know if he is usually like this. I do read it as a joke now, though. I did have a feeling he was joking after my post, however.

Meh. There's really no arguing this point either way. However it appeared to you is your deal.

Section9: Because I thought he was serious and I was asked about it. Like I said, if I'm asked something, expect me to respond, because when people don't respond, the question askers tend to get mad and occasionally flip out over because somebody missed a quick question.

Alright. Makes sense.

Unfakevote: Usurper (Trumpetking)

Still not happy with his general demeanor, but I could be getting tunnel vision. In any case, he's made clear in a fairly good defense his reasons for doing what he did, so there's really no reason to lynch him today just based on a feeling.

To clarify what I said to The Usurper: I think you're posting lots of times about saying the Snake Charmer has snakes in his hands as if you are worried about something. You (and The Serious Roleplayer) are making a big deal over Day One silly banter and its after-effects. The Serious Roleplayer is hounding you for almost nothing, and you are submitting.

I hounded him for (what I believe to be) suspicious behavior. There's nothing more to it.

But now I think a little more, I find The Serious Roleplayer suspicious for coming out with such a detailed and extensive analysis of your posts and going after you for the Page One chatting.

Did you read my analysis of Usurper, or are you just pulling this out of your megablocks? I have no problem with the page one banter he's engaged in. I don't have a problem with his "defense" of Snake Charmer, either, as I thought I'd made clear. What I do/did have a problem with, however, is his overjustification of said "defense".

[Hinckley]

Thank you for the clarification. I feel the need to answer the questions, because if I don't, I'll be told things like "You didn't answer me", so I'm just trying to stay on top of them. Sorry if that bothers you.

Did anybody notice The Cultist's weird statement? I mentioned it earlier, but it was really strange. It was basically like saying "I think Snake Charmer is scum because he said he would hold off from voting for Serial Killer, but I'm going to hold off from voting for him".

I found it weird but not because he said he'd hold off voting for the Snake Charmer. That wouldn't make much sense since he did place a vote for the Snake Charmer.

My concern with what the Cult Leader has done is that he's run in, placed a vote, a very adamant vote, based on The Snake Charmer defending the Serial Killer. He says we'll learn a lot from the lynch which may be true, but it's not enough to be so adamant. Adam Ant. Adamant. I just saw him in concert. This drunk lady fell all over me even though I was with My Male Lover and she annoyed everyone and security took her out before Adam even started his set. Anyway, The Serial Killer hasn't answered people's suspicion of him and tried to point to something shiny off in the distance and run off again. Boo Cult Leader, boo. You've placed your vote like it's our strongest lead without garnering anyone else's opinion or hearing from your lynch candidate about your accusations.

That being said, someone defending another player on Day One is always a good place to look and so we should remember that The Snake Charmer did sort of defend The Serial Killer. It does look more to me like someone asking us to be rational and think before a bad bandwagon takes off. The Cult Leader's analysis is actually a good one and the possibilities he brings up are something for us to watch. Maybe The Snake Charmer is trying to seem like a level-headed Townie, safely defending a Townie, in case he's lynched later. This is a very early spot in such a gambit to make an accusation, especially considering The Serial Killer only has two votes. And there is the possibility that they are both Scum. It's hard to imagine The Snake Charmer would come to an unnecessary defense of a teammate, potentially giving them both away on Day One.

No. For now, I find The Cult Leader much more suspicious for trying to act like a good point of suspicion is actually the strongest lead. I'll keep my fake vote where it is.

[TrumpetKing]

Something else I feel like bringing up. Has anybody else noticed the absence of the Jester and the Doctor? Probably not somethong we should worry about right now, but we should definitely take note of it. I think the best three options for today are Serial Killer, Snake Charmer, or Cultist, for SK's confusion, and the crazy possible defenses surrounding the triad.

And Female Lover, where was a vote placed on Snake Charmer from Cultist? I don't believe I saw one cast.

Oh, I think you mistook The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam) for the Cult Leader (Rufus). Have those bananas n your pants been affecting your memory?

[Hinckley]

Fake vote tally

The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs): 3 (mostlytechnic, jamesn, Trumpetking)

The Treestump (Adam): 1 (LegoDad)

The Snake Charmer (DarthPotato): 1 (Rufus)

The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 1 (Kadabra)

The Serious Roleplayer (Tamamono): 1 vote (jamesn)

The Cult Leader (Rufus): 1 vote (Hinckley)

The Usurper (Trumpetking): 1 vote (Tamamono)

The Virgin (Clanure): 1 vote (Bob)

[TrumpetKing]

May I ask why some names are blue?

And Tamamono un-fake-voted me... DarthPotato is the one who fake-voted me.

[XimenaPaulina]

This is a really good point. One, because I also noticed this behavior from The Cop and two, because I actually decided not to mention it because of our past. I like healing wounds between The Cop and I and don't want to ruffle feathers. So, I tucked that suspicion to the back of my brain. That might not appear to be helpful, but if it ended up that me and him went back and forth at each other (which I hope we wouldn't do anymore either way) then the Scum would really have something to cause distraction and it could potentially really hurt the Town.

Sorry I haven't come in and bullied and dominated people. I know I have to in order to maintain my image

...I'm trying to take a very different approach with this situation, though some of it is simply being busy. I would say that, yet again, in a past life I've been urged to rethink my approach. In this case, the result is that I'm going to ease into this game, rather than attack it from day one.

I understand your explanations so I'll put down my initial suspicion on you for the meantime.

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With the risk of being seen as defending Serial Killer's (Walter Kovacs), one thing that I really find surprising are the way several players seem to to have (mis)interpreted the SK's "logic" statement, which to me registered as simply as role-playing (that's why I think we should ALL stop doing this king of roleplaying anymore so as not to cause further confusion to the town).

These are the people who took SK's post seriously:

Vanilla Townie (Kristel)

Talking Animal (mostlytechnic) - voted for the SK

Female Lover (Hinckley) - doubted the "logic" but didn't vote for him

Usurper (TrumpetKing) - fakevoted the SK, would like to hear SK's defense

First Day Lynch (jamesn) - voted for the SK

Serious Roleplayer (Tamamono) - "agreed" with the Vanilla's hunch on SK, waits for SK's defense

Godfather (Kadabra) - believes SK's logic is way-off, would like to hear from the SK

PGO (purplejellyjob) - will consider voting the SK after he hears the defense

Players who didn't take the SK's logic post seriously:

Snake Charmer (Darth Potato)

Treestump (Adam)

I personally believe the SK wasn't being serious with that "logic" post. A player of his stature wouldn't make such a careless gaffe if he was scum, IMO. If there's anything we could probably look at are those people who conveniently "agreed" with the Vanilla/Kristel's initial suspicion on the SK. I think someone among those people, especially those in the "middle-pack" may be scum. I'm still narrowing down at the moment who I'd like to vote among these players.

The only thing not going for the SK at this point is he seems to have not responded to the accusations against him, even if he already logged-in in Eurobricks woke up. We need to hear from you SK.

[TrumpetKing]

I have been thinking that he wasn't being serious as well, and I think he's probably been less scummy of the three suspects I presented. I personally think we will learn more by lynching The Cultist or the Snake Charmer. I'm going back and forth between the two, which is why I haven't cast my vote yet, because I only have one shot left. I think maybe the Cultist was better, since he seemed to defend Snake Charmer, so if he turns up scum, we can use that to determine whether Snake Charmer is scum. The same goes with lynching Snake Charmer. If we lynch him, for seeming to defend Serial Killer, and he comes up scum, we could use that to decide whether Serial Killer is scum. Personally, I'm impartial between the two.

Unvote of the fake vote: Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs)

Fake Vote: The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam)

[DarthPotato]

May I ask why some names are blue?

And Tamamono un-fake-voted me... DarthPotato is the one who fake-voted me.

I didn't fake vote anyone.

I do find the Cultist odd too, mostly for the same reasons that I called out the NPC for. Either way, I still find it interesting how several people seem to be popping up out of nowhere just to say that they're suspicious of someone (Serial Killer, Usurper, me, etc.) and then they leave again.

Players who didn't take the SK's logic post seriously:

Snake Charmer (Darth Potato)

Treestump (Adam)

I personally believe the SK wasn't being serious with that "logic" post. A player of his stature wouldn't make such a careless gaffe if he was scum, IMO. If there's anything we could probably look at are those people who conveniently "agreed" with the Vanilla/Kristel's initial suspicion on the SK. I think someone among those people, especially those in the "middle-pack" may be scum. I'm still narrowing down at the moment who I'd like to vote among these players.

Yes, I don't know why so many people are taking it seriously. Still, I really want to hear from the SK but time's running out fast...

[TrumpetKing]

The tally is messing my head up then. Jamesn's tally was messed up a bit, then, because I believe his said that you had fake-voted me.