Mafia Mafia: Day One - Day One

[DarthPotato]

The tally is messing my head up then. Jamesn's tally was messed up a bit, then, because I believe his said that you had fake-voted me.

Hmm, it must have been an error on his part then.

[Waterbrick Down]

Now this is a day one defence. No-one should be defending another so openly at this stage unless they have knowledge of their alignment. I seem to recall someone else's (Usurper's) soft defence of the Snake Charmer ealier in the day.

I believe this is evidence enough for the Snake Charmer being a scum. Either Serial Killer is a fellow scum, or Snakey knows he is town so can say 'I told you so' if he's lynched.

I whole heartedly disagree. If a defense is made in order to stop a bad lynch than it is indeed reasonable to expect a defense even on day 1. It is always better to save a potential townie from a lynch based on bad logic than to stand by and watch it happen which is exactly all a scum team needs to do. Now I don't necessarily agree with the Snake Charmer's defense of the SK, but I have no problem defending the Serial Killer myself as I feel it would be a wasted lynch. Yes his bad logic pinged my radar at the beginning and as Role-Cop stated people seemed to make things even more confusing by continuing on his bad logic train of thought.

Sorry I spoke too soon before all my thoughts were collected. Continuing on, if we look at his (the Serial Killer's) statement, whether he is role-playing (as the Role-Cop suggested) or is speaking in all confused seriousness, I can't see a scum making such a statement. Unless of course he is a scum trying to confuse everyone else, in which case he picked an awful point to confuse people on as a quick glance at the rules of the world make the truth abundantly clear. Additionally if he was intentionally trying to confuse people why follow up on the initial confusing statement so quickly to try and "clarify" his initial statement. Doesn't add up to me and thus I don't see it worth pursuing.

[Kadabra]

I understand your explanations so I'll put down my initial suspicion on you for the meantime.

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With the risk of being seen as defending Serial Killer's (Walter Kovacs), one thing that I really find surprising are the way several players seem to to have (mis)interpreted the SK's "logic" statement, which to me registered as simply as role-playing (that's why I think we should ALL stop doing this king of roleplaying anymore so as not to cause further confusion to the town).

These are the people who took SK's post seriously:

Vanilla Townie (Kristel)

Talking Animal (mostlytechnic) - voted for the SK

Female Lover (Hinckley) - doubted the "logic" but didn't vote for him

Usurper (TrumpetKing) - fakevoted the SK, would like to hear SK's defense

First Day Lynch (jamesn) - voted for the SK

Serious Roleplayer (Tamamono) - "agreed" with the Vanilla's hunch on SK, waits for SK's defense

Godfather (Kadabra) - believes SK's logic is way-off, would like to hear from the SK

PGO (purplejellyjob) - will consider voting the SK after he hears the defense

Players who didn't take the SK's logic post seriously:

Snake Charmer (Darth Potato)

Treestump (Adam)

I personally believe the SK wasn't being serious with that "logic" post. A player of his stature wouldn't make such a careless gaffe if he was scum, IMO. If there's anything we could probably look at are those people who conveniently "agreed" with the Vanilla/Kristel's initial suspicion on the SK. I think someone among those people, especially those in the "middle-pack" may be scum. I'm still narrowing down at the moment who I'd like to vote among these players.

The only thing not going for the SK at this point is he seems to have not responded to the accusations against him, even if he already logged-in in Eurobricks woke up. We need to hear from you SK.

I said that because his logic was way off it was likely to be a joke and I wanted to hear from him for clarification, not that I wanted to accuse him.

[TrumpetKing]

There are some people here that are frustrating me, by reading the thread, then leaving without saying anything. You might not be involved in what's currently being discussed, but your opinion matters greatly. Virgin, I see you are sitting here currently. I want you to voice your opinion. You've been one of the quieter ones, and I want to hear what you have to say about everything. Do you think Cultist or Snake Charmer is a better lynch?

[def]

By the way, townies, we need to record the results of our pills. Start a Google spreadsheet, and if you have someone you can share with, collaborate. Scum are already sharing their info, and will know the good ones far quicker than town will. We will somewhat be able to track scum if some pills stay in a little group.

[Clanure]

Wow, this is a lot to take in on day 1. I'm fairly new around here (a virgin in more ways than one, I guess), but I honestly can't see any of what has been said so far today being enough to lynch on. My particular choice is to wait and see how things develop. I know that seems 'middle-of-the-road' and therefore possibly scummy but I just don't think there is enough to go on.

In my very limited experience it seems that a day 1 town-lynch is almost a given (100% in my brief history) and I don't want to make that mistake if it can be avoided. There are a few things I don't like, such as:

1. The SK taking so long to respond to his accusers.

2. The Usurper and his aggressiveness (perhaps a poor choice of words, but something better escapes me at the moment). I'm not saying it's scummy, I'm just not a fan of the play style.

3. The NPC. Too much roleplay for me.

4. The BONAD. For calling me out. Sure, I'm quiet, but honestly what else could give you any sort of 'gut feeling'?

Realistically I guess The SK would get my vote should nothing change, but it wouldn't be a vote I would be extremely confident in.

[TrumpetKing]

I definitely wouldn't call myself aggressive. Maybe strict at times, but I don't think I'm aggressive. Thank you for your response. What would make you vote for the SK? Are you not at all bothered by Snake Charmer and Cultist? If so, why not? They are probably the two scummiest here.

[Fred Daniel Yam]

Thank you for the clarification. I feel the need to answer the questions, because if I don't, I'll be told things like "You didn't answer me", so I'm just trying to stay on top of them. Sorry if that bothers you.

Did anybody notice The Cultist's weird statement? I mentioned it earlier, but it was really strange. It was basically like saying "I think Snake Charmer is scum because he said he would hold off from voting for Serial Killer, but I'm going to hold off from voting for him".

You say Snake Charmer is acting suspicious, yet you do the exact same thing that got him suspicion? Seems a bit weird to me.

And I'd like to add, Cultist, that while you say I haven't added anything, I have added much more than you, IMO. I was only role-playing at the beginning.....

I didn't fake vote anyone.

I do find the Cultist odd too, mostly for the same reasons that I called out the NPC for. Either way, I still find it interesting how several people seem to be popping up out of nowhere just to say that they're suspicious of someone (Serial Killer, Usurper, me, etc.) and then they leave again.

Yes, I don't know why so many people are taking it seriously. Still, I really want to hear from the SK but time's running out fast...

That's because I wanted to hear what Serial Killer had to say on the matter first.

[TrumpetKing]

I too, think that the Snake Charmer is somewhat fishy in his "defence". Although the Usurper has been rather.. roleplaying today and not contributing in general. Something I'm at fault with too, I think his activity isn't as fishy as Snake Charmer's today. I'd like to say that the NPC's just as fishy today but I'm leaning towards Snake Charmer for now but I won't vote for him just yet.

This is what earned your suspicion. You did not mention waiting for the SK's answer, but for the Snake Charmer's answer. Ping.

[Fred Daniel Yam]

Thank you for the clarification. I feel the need to answer the questions, because if I don't, I'll be told things like "You didn't answer me", so I'm just trying to stay on top of them. Sorry if that bothers you.

Did anybody notice The Cultist's weird statement? I mentioned it earlier, but it was really strange. It was basically like saying "I think Snake Charmer is scum because he said he would hold off from voting for Serial Killer, but I'm going to hold off from voting for him".

There are some people here that are frustrating me, by reading the thread, then leaving without saying anything. You might not be involved in what's currently being discussed, but your opinion matters greatly. Virgin, I see you are sitting here currently. I want you to voice your opinion. You've been one of the quieter ones, and I want to hear what you have to say about everything. Do you think Cultist or Snake Charmer is a better lynch?

I definitely wouldn't call myself aggressive. Maybe strict at times, but I don't think I'm aggressive. Thank you for your response. What would make you vote for the SK? Are you not at all bothered by Snake Charmer and Cultist? If so, why not? They are probably the two scummiest here.

This is what earned your suspicion. You did not mention waiting for the SK's answer, but for the Snake Charmer's answer. Ping.

I wanted an answer from both.

As soon as I said something about the Snake Charmer and why he was fishy. The Usurper pretty much started gunning for me and starts to ask whether the Snake Charmer or I was a better lynch target. Aggressively saying I'm one of the scummiest right now. when you're trying to get the fire on me.

I was gonna vote for Snake Charmer but now I'll Vote: The Usurper (TrumpetKing)

[def]

I would like to suggest that the pill list be updated by the players as it goes along, or that the host links the names to the pills... It's a nuisance for ordinary players defs to track it.

If any of you at home are inclined to follow the pill list (which will help in the scum tracking in later days), copy this into a spreadsheet.

1) Hunter’s Pill Clanure

2) Light saber Pill Tammo

3) Big Red Science Pill Rufus

4) Infectious Pill Pie

5) Magical Pill DarthPotato

6) Cursed Pill Kadabra

7) Alto Pill fhomess

8) Pill of Valhalla Hinck

9) Riot Pill Pirate Dave

10) Pill of Insanity def

11) Mystery Pill adam

12) Mystical Pill trumpet

13) Bobblyhead Pill jamesn

14) Heart Medication Kovacs

15) Old Fashion Pill Fred Yam

16) Pill of Paradise Kristel

17) Rum Kiel

18) A Pearl Bob

19) Deep Space Pill LegoDad

20) The Royalty Pill PurpearJelly

21) Fairy Tale Pill Waterbrick

22) Pill from the Dickhead Galaxy Technic

23) Pill from the ZubZub System esurient

In the meantime, I have no opinion on the potential lynchees. None at all.

Vote: The Host (zepher)

I really want to know what happens if he's lynched. He's a player, and it's not forbidden in the rules. He's daring us to lynch the werewolf day one. For some reason, it seems entirely appropriate.

[fhomess]

Vote: The Host (zepher)

I really want to know what happens if he's lynched. He's a player, and it's not forbidden in the rules. He's daring us to lynch the werewolf day one. For some reason, it seems entirely appropriate.

I'm really not sure how this is helpful toward the town. Do you think the host is a player in the sense that he's possibly scum?

As for me, I'm inclined to agree that the Cult Leader's hasty vote for the day 1 defense struck me as out of place, so for my part I will cast the finger in his direction as well. The confidence with which he expressed that we would learn something from a day 1 lynch was also part of his reasoning that didn't seem all that certain. There usually is less we can learn from a day 1 lynch than any other lynch since that player has contributed less to the game. Perhaps he was hoping to spur on voting so townies would use their vote quickly rather than in the calculated manner that the single unvote rule requires.

Fake Vote: Cult Leader (Rufus)

[Kristel]

There are some people here that are frustrating me, by reading the thread, then leaving without saying anything. You might not be involved in what's currently being discussed, but your opinion matters greatly. Virgin, I see you are sitting here currently. I want you to voice your opinion. You've been one of the quieter ones, and I want to hear what you have to say about everything. Do you think Cultist or Snake Charmer is a better lynch?

I appreciate you didn't name me here specifically, but I know that I am one of those whose been following the conversation without saying much. The reason is that I don't feel I have that much too add and there's no-one that I feel I can firmly place in the scum bucket at this point. But you asked for opinions and I'm happy to give mine.

First, I thought the interaction between yourself and The Serious Roleplayer (Tamamono) was interesting. Mostly because he took such a long winded way to say what he had to say. I just thought it odd because he could have said it far more succinctly.

I noticed you getting a little more aggressive over the course of events, but I can appreciate where that might be coming from.

The Cult Leader's (Rufus') post definitely caught my attention:

Now this is a day one defence. No-one should be defending another so openly at this stage unless they have knowledge of their alignment. I seem to recall someone else's (Usurper's) soft defence of the Snake Charmer ealier in the day.

I believe this is evidence enough for the Snake Charmer being a scum. Either Serial Killer is a fellow scum, or Snakey knows he is town so can say 'I told you so' if he's lynched.

I see no need for fake voting here. There's stuff to learn from this lynch.

Vote: DarthPotato (Snake Charmer)

There were two reasons why. The first is the way it was delivered, which The Female Lover (Hinckley) has already pointed out:

My concern with what the Cult Leader has done is that he's run in, placed a vote, a very adamant vote, based on The Snake Charmer defending the Serial Killer. He says we'll learn a lot from the lynch which may be true, but it's not enough to be so adamant.

The other reason is the mistake in the voting. When he made the vote it was effectively meaningless because it was in the wrong format. I don't believe it is a rookie mistake because he's been around long enough to know better. An honest mistake seems inconsistent with the tone and approach of the rest of his post. Which leaves a deliberate mistake, but I can't find a good reason why he would do that. I also noticed that he hasn't been back since making this post.

Rufus did make an interesting point about it being too early to be defending someone. But would scum really be that bold this early on in the game?

That being said, someone defending another player on Day One is always a good place to look and so we should remember that The Snake Charmer did sort of defend The Serial Killer. It does look more to me like someone asking us to be rational and think before a bad bandwagon takes off.

I don't fully agree with the latter part of this statement, as The Snake Charmer's defence of the Serial Killer was at least 24 hours (closer to 30 hours I think someone said) after the initial accusations were made. Irrespective of whether The Serial Killer's logic flaws were part of the banter (and I appreciate they could be taken that way), there's been lots of time for The Serial Killer to say something. Yet he's been absent during the discussion about him.

In the meantime, I have no opinion on the potential lynchees. None at all.

Vote: The Host (zepher)

This seems like a good option to me at this point.

[def]

I'm really not sure how this is helpful toward the town. Do you think the host is a player in the sense that he's possibly scum?

Well, is he town? It's a safe lynch, and to be honest, it's a funny one. If I can twist the rules, to be sure, I want to. It's more fun that way

What will happen if the werewolf is lynched?....

[Rufus]

Boo Cult Leader, boo. You've placed your vote like it's our strongest lead without garnering anyone else's opinion or hearing from your lynch candidate about your accusations.

Boo yourself, Telemarketing Lover. I had a ten minute window of opportunity last night, so I placed my vote on the thing I found most suspicious. Was it right to be so decisive? Who knows. What I do know is that the fake voting seems to be causing more confusion than conclusion. We may have only one unvote, but it's still an unvote. At this rate we're going to end up with someone lynched on 2 votes.

I whole heartedly disagree. If a defense is made in order to stop a bad lynch than it is indeed reasonable to expect a defense even on day 1. It is always better to save a potential townie from a lynch based on bad logic than to stand by and watch it happen which is exactly all a scum team needs to do.

At this point, no townie has any way of knowing another's affiliation. If Potato Charmer had said, 'I don't agree with the logic of this lynch because ...' then that would be fair enough, but that's not what he said:

Yeah... I do find it odd with all the voting and fake voting towards the Serial Killer when he hasn't even had the chance to explain himself yet. Give him a little time and be patient. I know we don't have all day but we shouldn't rush into this.

I read this as, 'I know he's going to be away for a bit but he's told us he'll be back later,' as a scum team would know. Would a scum be so obvious? I have no past experience of Snakey Potato, but this is the kind of mistake an inexperienced scum might make.

As for me, I'm inclined to agree that the Cult Leader's hasty vote for the day 1 defense struck me as out of place, so for my part I will cast the finger in his direction as well.

Out of place how? Day one is about throwing mud around and seeing what sticks, if anything. Potato's comment remains the scummiest thing I've seen. This isn't the first game with a single unvote rule; why are we pussy-footing around?

The other reason is the mistake in the voting. When he made the vote it was effectively meaningless because it was in the wrong format. I don't believe it is a rookie mistake because he's been around long enough to know better. An honest mistake seems inconsistent with the tone and approach of the rest of his post. Which leaves a deliberate mistake, but I can't find a good reason why he would do that. I also noticed that he hasn't been back since making this post.

It was an honest mistake. As I said, I only had a limited time in which to post.

Vote: Snake Charmer (DarthPotato)

There is another thing which caused me a raised eyebrow: RoleCopDaMan was informed by another player about the one-unvote rule. A little early for backstage whisperings? Why didn't this mysterious other mention it publicly themselves?

While Serial Killer's original comment does not seem too bad to me, I too find it odd that he hasn't been back to defend himself. That and Snakey's comment leads me to believe we may be on to something. It's the best lead I've seen so far, and that's why I'm doing something about it.

[mostlytechnic]

Ah, catching up this morning on all the activity....

Personally, I read the Serial Killer's initial comments to be an actual attempt at logic (that was wrong), with a bit of joking around it. He even tried to adjust it rather than saying he was joking or just moving along when called on it. So that pinged me.

And yep, snake is pinging too, for the reasons stated by Cult Leader. Especially the WAY it was said - give him time, etc. He defended the PERSON rather than arguing against the lynch. It came across to me as personal rather than trying to stop a foolish lynch.

I know some thought Cult Leader's previous post premature or overreacting, but I agreed. I think his more recent post right above this is a good response as well. So right now I'm praying he doesn't turn out scummy later since that'll mean I'm screwed, but I think he's got the best logic around right now. SK, Snake are both seeming scummy to me. For now though I'll leave my vote on SK. I'll be away much of the day, but I should be back before the end of the day to use my one unvote if justified.

[LegoDad]

I got back last night and wanted to add my opinions, but had been drinking and didn't want to sound stupid. I also totally hooked up with my lover again, that painted on headgear isn't all that bad and she loves it when I'm fall over drunk. Anyway, all the fake voting and real voting is making my head hurt, even with the updates on voting I couldn't keep it all straight. Lots of accusations and defenses, all the while, I think there are some that are really lurking in the shadows laughing at this. It's been said over and over that it is all we can go on today, but don't forget about those that have shown up once and ran into the corner to play on their baseplate. It's the reason I voted for the Stump. Although the Werewolf does do the same thing, def might me onto something.

[XimenaPaulina]

We have 12 hours remaining and it seems we have yet to reach a conclusive majority decision...

Worse, one of the main lynch candidates, the Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs), has yet to answer the accusations against him, which many of us are waiting for, including me even if I don't actually suspect him. This is quite an unusual behavior from him, so I hope everything is fine with him outside this predicament we're in.

In the interest of moving things forward, I'd share with you what I know of the SK. I didn't want to do this, but with time running out awaiting for an explanation from the SK, I'll just share it for the rest so you may make an informed decision. I have been in contact with the SK, with him initiating our private conversation. Here is how our conversation went, along with his relevant in-game posts (note that I paraphrased the original messages so I wouldn't break the "no direct quoting of PMs rule")

May 24, 5:40AM - Start of Day 1

May 24, 10:58PM - SK takes his pill.

May 24, 11:05PM - SK makes his logically-flawed role-playing post regarding the BONAD (Post #49)

May 24, 11:26PM - SK "amends" his logically-flawed role-playing post regarding the BONAD (Post #54)

May 25, 12:04AM - SK PMs The Role Cop (me). SK: Hi RoleCop! You seem to be Town based on your posts. Got any ideas how could we make people talk? It seems to be awfully quiet and it's not a good sign. I've been trying to make nonsensical posts hoping to elicit reactions, but not helping much though.

May 25, 2:19AM PM to KDM, SK: We need to find a way to draw out the scum. I plan to pounce on little mistakes made by others, and see if anyone flails. Hope it bears fruit.

May 25, 4:36AM: PM to KDM, SK: I read the rules carefully and it seems we have only one unvote...

May 25, 5:00AM. SK makes a post regarding random voting and questioning the jester (Post #81)

May 25, 8:24AM, The Vanilla Townie (Kristel) makes his accusations on several players, including the SK.

May 25, 12:01PM: The Talking Animal (mostlytechnic) finds the SK's talk scummy. (Post #105)

May 25, 5:47PM: The Female Lover (Hinckley) agrees with the Kristel's suspicion on the SK. (Post #107)

May 26, 12:00AM Last time time the SK was active as stated in his profile page room.

May 26, 1:15AM, The First Day Lynch (jamesn) agrees with Hinckley and Kristel about the SK

May 26, 1:28AM: The Talking animal votes for the SK...

... and so on and so forth...

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So take these bits of info as you want. While I don't completely trust the SK, I still don't find his posts as work of a scum. For him to be active at the start and then suddenly be inactive and even not defend himself against the accusations on him is really unusual for him.

As for the matter of voting, I admit I'm having trouble picking someone for a good reason. Someone who pinged on me today was The PGO (Purpearljellyblob), who suddenly made a "summarizing post" (Post #143) after posting only twice prior. This type of "summarizing post" is usually a good technique to make one's self look active and be in the middle-of-the-pack (not too active nor silent). I find the way it was written to be 'safe' and 'forced', compared to other players' posts which register to me as bumbling 'inexperienced' posts but genuine (like TrumpetKing, Fred Daniel Yam). I know this isn't much to go with, but after some process of elimination on my personal list I will:

Vote: The PGO (Purpearljellyblob)

Since I will not be present during the last 10 hours or so of the day this will be my final vote.

[TrumpetKing]

Cultist the problem that you apparently aren't seeing is that you called Snake Charmer out fir something that he did, and then continue to go on, doing the exact same thing as him. Don t you think that's a little bit weird?

[Fred Daniel Yam]

Cultist the problem that you apparently aren't seeing is that you called Snake Charmer out fir something that he did, and then continue to go on, doing the exact same thing as him. Don t you think that's a little bit weird?

I see what you mean, I should have stated that I was refraining from voting until hearing from both of them.

[TrumpetKing]

I see what you mean, I should have stated that I was refraining from voting until hearing from both of them.

There you go, this is sort of what I wanted to hear. I believe the Snake Charmer gave the same defense, no? It's still a bit scummy to me, but you're clearing things up.

[jimmynick]

Hmm, it must have been an error on his part then.

I reread the thread and found you didn't fakevote for anyone... sorry. How about we ignore my fakevote tallies because I obviously can't count, and someone else can start from scratch with another one?

While we're in this pile of indecision (SK, please come back!) I might as well:

Unvote: The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs)

[Hinckley]

Maybe we should try to use our votes instead of the fake ones, especially since people can't seem to format the fake votes right or tally them in a helpful way. No offense to jamesn. The initiative is much appreciated.

May I ask why some names are blue?

And Tamamono un-fake-voted me... DarthPotato is the one who fake-voted me.

That was the format I suggested. If you look around, other people are fake voting in blue. Therefore, I did a full tally, with the fake votes in blue.

By the way, townies, we need to record the results of our pills. Start a Google spreadsheet, and if you have someone you can share with, collaborate. Scum are already sharing their info, and will know the good ones far quicker than town will. We will somewhat be able to track scum if some pills stay in a little group.

Don't they change every day? I thought The Werewolf said the pills changed and were randomly assigned a modifier every day.

In my very limited experience it seems that a day 1 town-lynch is almost a given (100% in my brief history) and I don't want to make that mistake if it can be avoided. There are a few things I don't like, such as:

4. The BONAD. For calling me out. Sure, I'm quiet, but honestly what else could give you any sort of 'gut feeling'?

Why is it suspicious to call you out? What else makes you suspicious of him?

I wanted an answer from both.

As soon as I said something about the Snake Charmer and why he was fishy. The Usurper pretty much started gunning for me and starts to ask whether the Snake Charmer or I was a better lynch target. Aggressively saying I'm one of the scummiest right now. when you're trying to get the fire on me.

I was gonna vote for Snake Charmer but now I'll Vote: The Usurper (TrumpetKing)

Voting for him just for saying you're Scummy and voting for you? You're looking like a better lynch candidate all the time...

I appreciate you didn't name me here specifically, but I know that I am one of those whose been following the conversation without saying much. The reason is that I don't feel I have that much too add and there's no-one that I feel I can firmly place in the scum bucket at this point. But you asked for opinions and I'm happy to give mine.

If you can't add anything, do something. Take a person you're suspicious of and start poking him or her.

First, I thought the interaction between yourself and The Serious Roleplayer (Tamamono) was interesting. Mostly because he took such a long winded way to say what he had to say. I just thought it odd because he could have said it far more succinctly.

Why is rambling suspicious?

I don't fully agree with the latter part of this statement, as The Snake Charmer's defence of the Serial Killer was at least 24 hours (closer to 30 hours I think someone said) after the initial accusations were made.

What does the timing have to do with it? In that amount of time only two votes had been placed, although there was some fake votes for him. Maybe he is a Scum, getting nervous that his buddy was being accused and wasn't around to defend himself and a bandwagon could be forming. Yes, I definitely see that as a possibility. I just don't think it's concrete. Granted, if it were more concrete that would be really sloppy on their part.

What will happen if the werewolf is lynched?....

He did dare us.

We have 12 hours remaining and it seems we have yet to reach a conclusive majority decision...

We don't need to. The person with the most votes is lynched. This fake voting is going to mess with the voting pattern. It'll be much easier for the Scum to hide. Maybe we should just discuss more and vote carefully.

Worse, one of the main lynch candidates, the Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs), has yet to answer the accusations against him, which many of us are waiting for, including me even if I don't actually suspect him. This is quite an unusual behavior from him, so I hope everything is fine with him outside this predicament we're in.

This is not unusual behavior from him. In the last few games I've noticed he is less active on the weekends and this weekend is a three-day weekend holiday in the United States, where The Serial Killer lives, which is unfortunate, since murder is illegal here.

What kind of game was our dead host putting together? One vanilla Townie? A serial killer and a Cult and a PGO and Tree Stump? What a feckuckeded balance.

In the interest of moving things forward, I'd share with you what I know of the SK. I didn't want to do this, but with time running out awaiting for an explanation from the SK, I'll just share it for the rest so you may make an informed decision. I have been in contact with the SK, with him initiating our private conversation. Here is how our conversation went, along with his relevant in-game posts (note that I paraphrased the original messages so I wouldn't break the "no direct quoting of PMs rule")

May 24, 5:40AM - Start of Day 1

May 24, 10:58PM - SK takes his pill.

May 24, 11:05PM - SK makes his logically-flawed role-playing post regarding the BONAD (Post #49)

May 24, 11:26PM - SK "amends" his logically-flawed role-playing post regarding the BONAD (Post #54)

May 25, 12:04AM - SK PMs The Role Cop (me). SK: Hi RoleCop! You seem to be Town based on your posts. Got any ideas how could we make people talk? It seems to be awfully quiet and it's not a good sign. I've been trying to make nonsensical posts hoping to elicit reactions, but not helping much though.

May 25, 2:19AM PM to KDM, SK: We need to find a way to draw out the scum. I plan to pounce on little mistakes made by others, and see if anyone flails. Hope it bears fruit.

May 25, 4:36AM: PM to KDM, SK: I read the rules carefully and it seems we have only one unvote...

May 25, 5:00AM. SK makes a post regarding random voting and questioning the jester (Post #81)

May 25, 8:24AM, The Vanilla Townie (Kristel) makes his accusations on several players, including the SK.

May 25, 12:01PM: The Talking Animal (mostlytechnic) finds the SK's talk scummy. (Post #105)

May 25, 5:47PM: The Female Lover (Hinckley) agrees with the Kristel's suspicion on the SK. (Post #107)

May 26, 12:00AM Last time time the SK was active as stated in his profile page room.

May 26, 1:15AM, The First Day Lynch (jamesn) agrees with Hinckley and Kristel about the SK

May 26, 1:28AM: The Talking animal votes for the SK...

... and so on and so forth...

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So take these bits of info as you want. While I don't completely trust the SK, I still don't find his posts as work of a scum. For him to be active at the start and then suddenly be inactive and even not defend himself against the accusations on him is really unusual for him.

While this is typical of The Serial Killer, and a bit insulting as I didn't receive one , I'm not sure how this info helps us. Did we really need it? How does it inform our voting? If we're suspicious of The Snake Charmer for defending The Serial Killer, we should really look at this defense.

As for the matter of voting, I admit I'm having trouble picking someone for a good reason. Someone who pinged on me today was The PGO (Purpearljellyblob), who suddenly made a "summarizing post" (Post #143) after posting only twice prior. This type of "summarizing post" is usually a good technique to make one's self look active and be in the middle-of-the-pack (not too active nor silent). I find the way it was written to be 'safe' and 'forced', compared to other players' posts which register to me as bumbling 'inexperienced' posts but genuine (like TrumpetKing, Fred Daniel Yam). I know this isn't much to go with, but after some process of elimination on my personal list I will:

Vote: The PGO (Purpearljellyblob)

Since I will not be present during the last 10 hours or so of the day this will be my final vote.

You seem suspicious to me one second, then you make an accusation I agree with. I've had a gut feeling about The Paranoid Gun Owner basically since we started.

Right now, I'm leaning towards voting for either The Paranoid Gun Owner or The Cult Member.

Regarding our earlier discussion about The Cop, I certainly appreciate that you are turning over a new leaf. Your behavior still strikes me as off, because you're not offering analysis in a non-aggressive way, you just seem to be active. Fluff is odd from you, with or without your tactical aggression. Maybe you've been more helpful than I remember. I'll look over your posts again.

[Bob]

4. The BONAD. For calling me out. Sure, I'm quiet, but honestly what else could give you any sort of 'gut feeling'?

Realistically I guess The SK would get my vote should nothing change, but it wouldn't be a vote I would be extremely confident in.

Pretty ridiculous that you suspect me for calling you out, but whatever. Not sure who to vote for yet but you're a bit up there on my list.

[Rufus]

May 25, 4:36AM: PM to KDM, SK: I read the rules carefully and it seems we have only one unvote...

Do you have any idea why he didn't mention this publicly himself?

So take these bits of info as you want. While I don't completely trust the SK, I still don't find his posts as work of a scum. For him to be active at the start and then suddenly be inactive and even not defend himself against the accusations on him is really unusual for him.

I initially read his posts as messing around and having fun; they didn't seem especially suspicious to me. It was only Snakey's defence which caught my attention. If SK is scum, I don't see what he'd have to gain by contacting you so early on day one. You could both be scum, but even without direct quotes the conversation is hard to fake, so I doubt that. No, I'm inclined to agree with your read here, except:

May 25, 2:19AM PM to KDM, SK: We need to find a way to draw out the scum. I plan to pounce on little mistakes made by others, and see if anyone flails. Hope it bears fruit.

Did he ever do this? I didn't see it.

As for the matter of voting, I admit I'm having trouble picking someone for a good reason. Someone who pinged on me today was The PGO (Purpearljellyblob), who suddenly made a "summarizing post" (Post #143) after posting only twice prior. This type of "summarizing post" is usually a good technique to make one's self look active and be in the middle-of-the-pack (not too active nor silent). I find the way it was written to be 'safe' and 'forced', compared to other players' posts which register to me as bumbling 'inexperienced' posts but genuine (like TrumpetKing, Fred Daniel Yam). I know this isn't much to go with, but after some process of elimination on my personal list I will:

I could very well agree with this.

While we're in this pile of indecision (SK, please come back!) I might as well:

That isn't the best way to apply pressure, you know.

Don't they change every day? I thought The Werewolf said the pills changed and were randomly assigned a modifier every day.

Where did the Werewolf say that? Judging by this, I'd say they don't change:

4) You may NOT pick the same pill two days in a row. Sorry.

What does the timing have to do with it? In that amount of time only two votes had been placed, although there was some fake votes for him. Maybe he is a Scum, getting nervous that his buddy was being accused and wasn't around to defend himself and a bandwagon could be forming. Yes, I definitely see that as a possibility. I just don't think it's concrete. Granted, if it were more concrete that would be really sloppy on their part.

I never said it was concrete, only that I thought it was the best lead at the time. It would be a lot stronger if they are scum buddies, which is perhaps a little less likely if we take what KielDaRoleCop has said at face value; I still find it suspicious.

This fake voting is going to mess with the voting pattern. It'll be much easier for the Scum to hide. Maybe we should just discuss more and vote carefully.

Agreed.

While this is typical of The Serial Killer, and a bit insulting as I didn't receive one , I'm not sure how this info helps us. Did we really need it? How does it inform our voting? If we're suspicious of The Snake Charmer for defending The Serial Killer, we should really look at this defense.

You mean Snakey's defence, or KDM's, or both? Are you going to look at it?