Kadabra Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 You have repeatedly told us to treat fake votes the same as real votes. My thinking when it comes to fake votes is, "Would I be confident in placing a real vote for this person? Would I be confident in lynching him or her?" That's why I poked Bob instead of fakevoting him. In hindsight this policy feels a tad Draconian, and I now realize that maybe adding pokes into the mix will generate needless confusion. Speaking of fake votes, I believe that the Godfather (Kadabra) placed one for me earlier, and it appears to be missing from your "here's where we stand" lists. This recalls the whole quality vs. quantity debate from earlier (though I will remind the Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam) that the rules require him to post in every day thread). I had wanted to hear (or, uh, read) what he has to say before passing judgement on him. Honestly, it'd take a damn good post from him to set my mind at ease, and I don't foresee that coming. I just kicked him a pigeon and hopefully that'll get his megablocks over here. However, the Female Lover (Hinckley) made a good point earlier: the Cultist logged on and chose not to address the accusations, which leads me to believe that he is trying to avoid the whole issue and is hoping that it will be forgotten or something. For that reason I'm going to fake vote: The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam). Hang on a second. Are you saying that the presumed vig told you that he or she tried unsuccessfully to kill the Witch and that, completely separately, the Witch decided to reveal her pill to you? Or am I completely misreading this and did the Witch open up to you after you approached her with the vig's claim? Because if the former is true, then that level of coordination and coincidence is pretty damn suspicious. I like how after I call you out on how you only show up when under fire and make a few long posts before submerging back under the radar, you proceed to... Show up and make a long post without actually addressing any of my points, not even including me in your 'analysis', which is actually just a bunch of lengthy quotes and you saying something obvious underneath. Honcks has explained: He told Witch she was targeted by the vig, she responded by saying that she took a lifesaver. You also point out an error in the fake vote tally (great way to pad your post with semi-helpful info that doesn't actually include you analyzing behavior or calling out suspects!),, hop on the cultist bandwagon (a safe place for scum to hide), and brush aside an accusation that was laid on you by saying 'I didn't fake vote anyone because I wanted to treat it like a real vote'. So you wouldn't vote anybody, even though the lynch is Town's most potent weapon? Way to be a detriment to your our team, scummo. Unfakevote: Tree Stump (Adam) Vote: Tree Stump (Adam)
DarthPotato Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 My list of suspicious people so far: The Snake Charmer: His sudden absence really caught my attention this time. Seemed to me like he is avoiding discussion about The Witch. I have no problems with voting for The Cultist, but I am more concerned with The Snake Charmer and BONAD's inconsistencies. Avoiding discussion about the Witch, huh? I already posted my thoughts on the Witch when I got back and how I understood her being a Vig target. And inconsistent how? With what I've said? You need to explain this part to me more. When you say "she" you are referring to The Female Lover right? I kind of read this as if you are refering to the Vig as she; maybe I'm reading this wrong, am I? I'm referring to two shes in that post, one for the Female Lover and the other for the Witch. And I doubt they're actually Lovers. They were sort of role playing with each other and seemed to get along fairly well at first but that's obviously changed now. Also, the chances of them actually being Lovers is extremely low. Then again, this is mafia. I posted this before but I'll post it again. Female Lover, how were you so sure to trust the Goon about the Life Saver Pill? I know it's better to put it in the hands of someone that you at least slightly trust, but it just seems weird to me that he was contacted about it. Oh, and just to add onto the witch, I think she's just as suspicious as everyone is on Day 1. She took a Life Saver Pill and claimed it, which is something anyone could have really done. She definitely shouldn't fall off the radar and shouldn't be assumed Town. Well, actually, she shouldn't be assumed to be anything right now. Nothing's really proven what side she could be on.
Hinckley Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Hang on a second. Are you saying that the presumed vig told you that he or she tried unsuccessfully to kill the Witch and that, completely separately, the Witch decided to reveal her pill to you? Or am I completely misreading this and did the Witch open up to you after you approached her with the vig's claim? Because if the former is true, then that level of coordination and coincidence is pretty damn suspicious. The vig contacted me about being blocked and told me he/she targeted The Witch. So, I immediately contacted The Witch to poke around and asked why she was out and about last night. She knew I had no way of knowing since there are no watchers/trackers so she called my bluff. I explained that she had been the target of the vig and it wasn't successful and accused her of being the Serial Killer. She came back and told me The Fairy Tale pill was a good one. I posted this before but I'll post it again. Female Lover, how were you so sure to trust the Goon about the Life Saver Pill? I know it's better to put it in the hands of someone that you at least slightly trust, but it just seems weird to me that he was contacted about it. I'm not repeating myself. I've already answered. Here's where the votes stand: The Female Lover (Hinckley): 1 vote (Rufus) The Blacked-Out Night Action Dude (Bob): 1 vote (fhomess) The Jester (CallMePie): 1 vote (Tamamono) The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 5 votes (TrumpetKing, PirateDave84, LEGODad, Bob, Hinckley, Clanure, DarthPotato, Tamamono) The Male Lover (LEGODad): 4 votes (jamesn, DarthPotato, fhomess, PirateDave84, CallMePie) The Witch (Waterbrick Down): 1 vote (CallMePie) The Tree Stump (Adam): 1 vote (Kadabra) Unfakevote Jester Fakevote Cultist Use a colon. What is this? Mafia School?? (Did I need to unfake vote first... do I get a new fake vote even though I have a real vote? What's the protocol?) Honestly, it's very helpful if you do. Thanks. For my vote I shall: fake vote: the Male Lover (legodad) (forgive me for not 'blueing' my vote, I don't know how to do this on my cell) That right there is a real vote.
TrumpetKing Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Way to waffle in the center, commit to nothing and play both sides of The Cultist case. So, do you think it's a Town-tell or was he too Scummy yesterday? Which is it? And there's a huge difference between The Cultist and The Serial Killer in that The Serial Killer hadn't even logged in. The Cultist has been here and even took the time to speak with some of us. So, no. It's not the exact same thing a Townie did yesterday. And if we continue this trend, any Scum we accuse would only have to disappear for us to unvote him. Is that the logic you propose we use? No, not at all. I'm referring to his actions today when I reference SK. You don't see Cultist here defending himself when he's being accused, do you? Because I don't. I can see how his inactivity today is somewhat town, because we don't know what his situation is outside of the game. I haven't seen Cultist defend himself at all, today. Did I miss something? I don't believe I did. If we look at the Serial Killer's lynch, we lynched him for lurking, and he was town. Do we want to risk the same thing with the Cultist lynch? I don't know if I would want to if his actions yesterday hadn't happened. However, I think his actions yesterday were scummy so while I have some slight doubt, I definitely think we should lynch him. His actions yesterday were very scummy, and other people do have a point in saying that he could be hiding so he doesn't make any more scummy moves (In response to me thinking that his lurking was similar to SK, other than the fact that Ms. Lover just pointed out, that SK wasn't even awake). Vote: Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam) If that confused anybody, speak up and I'll clarify. I may have rambled on a bit. Oh, and I guess I forgot to fake unvote: Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam) Don't know if I had to do that since I voted for him...
Hinckley Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 No, not at all. I'm referring to his actions today when I reference SK. You don't see Cultist here defending himself when he's being accused, do you? Because I don't. I can see how his inactivity today is somewhat town, because we don't know what his situation is outside of the game. I haven't seen Cultist defend himself at all, today. Did I miss something? I don't believe I did. If we look at the Serial Killer's lynch, we lynched him for lurking, and he was town. Do we want to risk the same thing with the Cultist lynch? I don't know if I would want to if his actions yesterday hadn't happened. However, I think his actions yesterday were scummy so while I have some slight doubt, I definitely think we should lynch him. His actions yesterday were very scummy, and other people do have a point in saying that he could be hiding so he doesn't make any more scummy moves (In response to me thinking that his lurking was similar to SK, other than the fact that Ms. Lover just pointed out, that SK wasn't even awake). Vote: Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam) You're missing the point. The Serial Killer wasn't lurking. To lurk, you have to actually be here. He hadn't been logging in. The Cultist has been logging in. It's not the same circumstance.
Piratedave84 Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 That right there is a real vote. I'm comfortable with this being counted as a real vote and am not willing to use my unvote just yet. Are you yes or no actual lovers?
TrumpetKing Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 You're correct. That makes me more confident in a Cultist lynch now. ,I don't think that they are actual lovers. Don't you think that might have been included in the Sign-ups, and even if it were, it would be randomized, not just the characters.
Fred Daniel Yam Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Thank you everyone for killing me. Have fun and don't be a dick. Oh. And the Old Fashion Pill was a placebo.
Tamamono Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Thank you everyone for killing me. Have fun and don't be a dick. Oh. And the Old Fashion Pill was a placebo. Yeah, he's town. Meh. Let's hope Male Lover is scum.
Hinckley Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Ugh, my post is inside that quote... Are you yes or no actual lovers? Not to my knowledge.
DarthPotato Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Yeah, he's town. Meh. Let's hope Male Lover is scum. What makes you so sure he's Town? (Is it just his attitude and pill reveal?) Also, Female Lover, I don't believe I voted for the Male Lover at all like you have in your tally.
Tamamono Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 What makes you so sure he's Town? (Is it just his attitude and pill reveal?) Also, Female Lover, I don't believe I voted for the Male Lover at all like you have in your tally. Literally no scum would ever do this.
Hinckley Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Here's where the votes stand: The Female Lover (Hinckley): 1 vote (Rufus) The Blacked-Out Night Action Dude (Bob): 1 vote (fhomess) The Jester (CallMePie): 1 vote (Tamamono) The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 5 votes (TrumpetKing, PirateDave84, LEGODad, Bob, Hinckley, Clanure, DarthPotato, Tamamono) The Male Lover (LEGODad): 4 votes (jamesn, fhomess, PirateDave84, CallMePie) The Witch (Waterbrick Down): 1 vote (CallMePie) The Tree Stump (Adam): 1 vote (Kadabra) Yeah, sorry. It said four votes with five names listed as well.
DarthPotato Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Literally no scum would ever do this. Well... like I said before, it is mafia, anything's possible. I don't believe I've ever played with him anyway so I have no idea if he'd actually do this as scum. And Female Lover, I found the post you were talking about. Sorry, I must have missed when reading the thread. At first I just thought you said you and the Witch agreed on trusting the Goon and I didn't really see any reasoning behind it. But I've got it now.
jimmynick Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Thank you everyone for killing me. Have fun and don't be a dick. Oh. And the Old Fashion Pill was a placebo. I agree with Usurper; this seems like a townie response. There's still 15 hours or so to turn The Cultist's lynch around if that's what people want to do. The problem is, who would we lynch instead?
Kadabra Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 I agree with Usurper; this seems like a townie response. There's still 15 hours or so to turn The Cultist's lynch around if that's what people want to do. The problem is, who would we lynch instead? Of one person shifted from Cultist to Stump, he'd be our secondary lynch. See me recent posts on why.
TrumpetKing Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Serious Roleplayer said that though. As retarded as it sounds, I think we should still lynch him. He could be trying to get us to unvote him, though unlikely as he said he was quitting regardless. Putting votes on him allows us to both lynch him and focus on who our main lynch choice should be.
Hinckley Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 I agree with Usurper; this seems like a townie response. There's still 15 hours or so to turn The Cultist's lynch around if that's what people want to do. The problem is, who would we lynch instead? Since he's going to be mod-killed if we don't, let's just lynch him. That way we're not forced to lynch two people without enough evidence to really make a good decision.
Clanure Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 I agree with Usurper; this seems like a townie response. There's still 15 hours or so to turn The Cultist's lynch around if that's what people want to do. The problem is, who would we lynch instead? I don't see why this would be a townie response. A placebo being publicly known isn't any great loss and if it turns us on more townies it certainly is going to help scum.
Adam Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 *snip* From what I can tell, this was the extent of your "points": The cultist hasn't shown up to defend himself all day. POKE POKE POKE to quote the Tree Stump, who is another player I'd like to hear from. Show up, make a couple of analysis posts, and disappear once people seem to be satisfied. Scummy if you ask me - only being helpful when accused of inactivity and then flying under the radar when your accusers are content. So basically, arguing that I'm flying under the radar. That was the entirety of the argument set up by the Doctor (piratedave84) and the Male Lover (LegoDad) earlier in the day, and I already responded to that. In fact, a few other people posted some counterarguments as well, and I didn't want to repeat myself or anybody else. I'm sorry if you feel that my analysis is wanting. I will try to be foxier in the future. In the meantime, please understand that when I post I try to be as helpful and insightful as is possible for a stump. As for responding when I am "under fire", I would be an idiot not to address accusations leveled against me (unless those accusations noncommittally rehash a debunked argument). As for your comments on my comments on fake voting, it appears that you have misinterpreted me. What I was trying to say is that I absolutely appreciate the importance of voting; however, I also believe that votes shouldn't be placed lightly. It's as simple as that, and it's a view that I'm sure most of the players share. I agree with Usurper; this seems like a townie response. There's still 15 hours or so to turn The Cultist's lynch around if that's what people want to do. The problem is, who would we lynch instead? He will be mod-killed regardless of whether we lynch him or not. I'm satisfied with the Male Lover (LegoDad) as the second lynch candidate but I don't feel confident at all in lynching any of the other people that have been fake voted or voted for. I personally believe that forming a bandwagon against a third party is too risky at this point, so I think we should keep the Cultist and the Male Lover as our two lynches. So I shall Vote: The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam).
Hinckley Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Why the hell is nobody waiting for The Male Lover to log in and respond to this bandwagon against him? It's making me nervous that it has so much momentum. If we lynch two Townies and the Serial Killer and Scum get another one during the Night...
jimmynick Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 I don't see why this would be a townie response. A placebo being publicly known isn't any great loss and if it turns us on more townies it certainly is going to help scum. Last time he was scum, he went out in a blaze of glory, but that might have been because he got caught red-handed. Fair enough, everyone. Cultist it is.
LegoDad Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 The cultist lynch is certainly important for us. If you aren't going to bother defending yourself, you probably aren't going to help us. However, usually scum don't give up so easily. Could he be town? Is it worth keeping a potential townie if they aren't going to help us catch the scum? If he is scum, I wouldn't say he's doing a very good job, and while his lack of a defense is seeming slightly townie to me (I mean, why would we lynch someone for doing the same thing that the lynched townie was doing yesterday?), I still think the weird behavior that he showcased yesterday outweighs the slight towntell. As for the 2nd lynch, I'm still stuck, but the Male Lover's assumptions are strange. I think many have voiced this same sentiment, good to see it being driven into the ground. I guess I'm guilty of wording things wrong in about the 3rd post of the day and the tunnel vision town and scum alike won't let it die since they know who they're getting rid of. I still stand by what I said earlier, even if it came off wrong. The Cop probably got killed for the reason that he played a completely different game, and made himself suspicious. Whoever did the kill, doesn't really matter, does it? That part wasn't even my main point, just an afterthought. That was all I was trying to convey, I really don't see what was to terrible about it, but I'm relatively new, so maybe it was a mafia faux pas. I'm with you on your primary lynch, I still think FDY is a good lynch, even with giving up, so I will: Un fakevote Cultist : (Fred Daniel Yam) Vote : Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam) I'm not giving up, I have a lot left to play for. But I get the feeling that no matter what I say, I'm going to get torn apart for it because everybody's mind is made up, even though I see plenty of people not doing a damn thing and skating by. When I said "they" know, I mean the scum. It's very obvious what's going on here. The primary lynch is pretty much set, so might as well bandwagon the secondary lynch since they know it's another townie. Misguided townie, maybe, but town nonetheless.
mostlytechnic Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 Well, I can't swear I'll be back before the end of the day (though I'll certainly try) so I'll take this opportunity to Vote: The Male Lover (LEGODad) His actions this game have certainly not been on par with my previous experience with him, so it's reading quite scummy to me. I actually waited to post this till he had a chance to respond (I checked and happened to see he'd just come online, so I waited a few minutes assuming correctly there'd be a post soon) but.... sorry claire Loverboy. (and you almost got me to vote elsewhere with your "scum bandwagoning the second lynchee" comment, but, well, that's not enough defense at this point. I'd rather vote somewhere I feel reasonably confident rather than vote on someone I'm less sure, and who has zero real votes so far (since you and cultist have the only real votes thus far).
jimmynick Posted May 31, 2013 Posted May 31, 2013 After taking a look at Day One, I'm comfortable to Vote: Male Lover (LegoDad). He was as fluffy as my pet dust bunny yesterday - - being apparently unable to raise any suspicions that weren't based around inactivity, and made a lukewarm defense about it today. I've still got my eye on you, though, Witch. You're right, the Male Lover doesn't behave like he did at high school. I'm still comfortable with the lynch.
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