Rufus Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I kept a record of the votes as they happened: Day One Votes Esur WaKo Adam DthP FDYa TruK PuJB Dave def 1 TrumpetKing 1 2 mostlytechnic 1 1 3 TrumpetKing 0 1 4 LegoDad 1 1 5 jamesn 2 1 6 Rufus 2 1 1 7 Kadabra 2 1 1 1 8 Fred Daniel Yam 2 1 1 1 1 9 KDM 2 1 1 1 1 1 10 jamesn 1 1 1 1 1 1 11 fhomess 2 1 1 1 1 1 12 Esurient 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 13 Hinckley 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 14 TrumpetKing 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 15 Tamamono 2 1 1 3 1 1 1 1 16 Kristel 3 1 1 3 1 1 1 1 17 Piratedave 3 1 1 3 1 1 1 2 18 Clanure 4 1 1 3 1 1 1 2 19 LegoDad 4 0 1 4 1 1 1 2 20 Rufus 5 0 4 1 1 1 2 21 jamesn 5 5 1 1 1 2 22 Purpearljellyblob 6 5 1 1 1 2 23 Bob 7 5 1 1 1 2 24 CallMePie 7 5 2 1 1 2 Yes, I untied the vote. A tied vote is not helpful to town. It was immediately tied again. My point remains: scum know who is town; a scum would not want to be seen to be instrumental in lynching a townie. They will jump on a clear bandwagon, or vote elsewhere when the votes are close.
Hinckley Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 My point remains: scum know who is town; a scum would not want to be seen to be instrumental in lynching a townie. They will jump on a clear bandwagon, or vote elsewhere when the votes are close. That may be true, but that's not what I did.
Piratedave84 Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Ties were also broken at a later point by The virgin and the PGO; Black out guy and the Jester sealed the deal Sorry, The virgin had voted before the Cult leader! Triple post I'll post an analysis (a chart really; I suck at analysis!) tomorrow since I don't have it handy but there are several votes which were unusual, some individuals voted/unvoted/fake-voted and fake-unvoted 5 or even 6 times yesterday; this is IMO a bit abusive!
Hinckley Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I can't read that vote tally on my phone. I'd like to reiterate that a person claiming to be the vig has contacted me. If this person is lying to me, it'd be helpful for the real vig to find someone to trust to claim to. Thanks.
Piratedave84 Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I can't read that vote tally on my phone. I'd like to reiterate that a person claiming to be the vig has contacted me. If this person is lying to me, it'd be helpful for the real vig to find someone to trust to claim to. Thanks. Why would someone claim such an important role on day 2 ... to Hinck of all people! Mafia lessons learnt by Dave: 1) NEVER tell anything to Hinck! 2) ALWAYS listen to Pandora 3) NEVER tell anything to Hinck!
Hinckley Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Yes, I already said that too. Be careful with important info. Don't Dave the game.
Rufus Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 There was nothing concrete with The Serial Killer. Do I need to say I think there's a bad lynch before I know who is going to be lynched? The votes came in for The Serial Killer at the end of the Day. My time was constrained at the end of the day yesterday and I believe The Cop when he falsely stated there was no more voting allowed. You untied the votes, didn't you? With the lack of tallies it's hard to see where the votes were. Perhaps we should look at that. By the time I realized voting was still open, what exactly did you expect me to do to reverse what I thought was a bad lynch with only a couple hours left? You want me to lead like I've done in the past, but with limited knowledge, it's simply irresponsible. When you voted, Walter had the most votes. Only two, but he still could have been lynched with only two votes. If you had thought he was unlikely to be scum, you still should have said so. Voting for a new candidate without comment on any the other seven people with votes hardly helps things. And voting for The Cop wasn't a tangent. I stand behind my reasons for thinking he was Scum. Yet you believed him when he said the day was over. And then you said: So, was someone convicted? This is lazy scum at its worst. If you cared an ounce about the outcome, you'd have been following along. Or at least you'd have gone and looked. I was happy with my vote and very glad I didn't vote for The Serial Killer because I thought it was a pretty shitty thing to do with someone who hadn't logged in and hadn't defended themselves against empty accusations. Easy to say when you know that they are town. And I voted for another Townie. Do you think I accused him and then conspicuously killed him? If I were Scum, I would imagine I'd keep The Cop alive as there seemed to be some possibility of him as a lynch candidate. And yes, I accused The Vanilla Townie as well. They're all dead now and we see they're all Town, so boo for my first Day instincts. You wanted me to lead with that? Scum killed one of those players and I don't think it likely that I, if I were Scum, would kill someone I accused during the day. I'm sure the Cop would be quite capable of defending himself in thread, so I think you'd rather remove the danger. As for your first day instincts, you're hardly likely to accuse a team-mate, are you? I accused you as well. You accused me initially because I wasn't around, but defended Walter - retrospectively - because he wasn't. Then you accused me for using my one opportunity to post to accuse Snake Charmer. But you acknowledged that I could be right. Oh, and while we're at it, The Cult Leader, your first suspect, The Snake Charmer softly defended The Cop to me, by PM. So, it still may be a pretty solid analysis. Oh Christ, no the Snake Charmer did not defend The Cop to me. I mixed him up with The Jester, naturally. I am not speaking with The Snake Charmer in private. For clarity, I accused the Snake Charmer, not the Jester.
jimmynick Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 PGO, Virgin and BONAG: It's precious that you guys decided to vote for The Serial Killer because he had not shown up to defend himself. I'm not excusing what he did, but seriously? You're all on my radar, and the Cultist still is as well. The PM to KielDaMan adds to the suspicions against the SK in my eyes. Add the fact that they haven't bothered to defend themselves and I'm left to: Vote: The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs) I'm not really comfortable with it, but it's the best I've got so far. I may not be around for the rest of the day, so I need to get my vote in. Like I said yesterday: not comfortable? Don't vote. Voting whilst confused, especially now there is only one unvote, is a very bad idea. 3. Having said that, I am placing my vote for The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs) because he has not appeared after sending that pm to you, The Role Cop (Kieldaman). He has been given ample time to check in and to respond. Vote: The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs) You clearly think The Role Cop is out to get you; why not vote for him? Vote: The Serial Killer (Walter Kovacs) He hasn't been back in awhile to explain things, and I don't particularly like his feel. Way to hammer someone for not talking in the thread! I agree with Cult Leader, et. al. because The Female Lover does seem to be attempting to lead whilst avoiding responsibility. I've done enough reading for now.
Hinckley Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 When you voted, Walter had the most votes. Only two, but he still could have been lynched with only two votes. If you had thought he was unlikely to be scum, you still should have said so. Voting for a new candidate without comment on any the other seven people with votes hardly helps things. I'm sure the Cop would be quite capable of defending himself in thread, so I think you'd rather remove the danger. As for your first day instincts, you're hardly likely to accuse a team-mate, are you? You want me to defend someone with two votes when I don't know if he's Scum or Town? Why would this be only me responsibility? How am I supposed to see that he needs saving if there's only two votes? I've already said I was busy and there were no vote tallies. I made plenty of comments on other suspicions throughout the day. I'm not lazy and I'm not Scum. When votes are scattered as badly as they were why should I defend anyone at that point. You have tunnel vision on a Townie and I'm sure the Scum love the distraction of two strong players going back and forth, if you're not Scum yourself. I agree with Cult Leader, et. al. because The Female Lover does seem to be attempting to lead whilst avoiding This is what I accused The Cop for. If I were Scum, why would I accuse a Townie of being Scum for the same tactic I'm supposedly employing? The reason I offered to do the fake vote tally today, quite honestly, is because I think you confused people when you tried to help. The fake and real votes need to be tallied together so people can see what's going on. That's all I was saying. I'm not Scum, I'm a control freak.
jimmynick Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 The reason I offered to do the fake vote tally today, quite honestly, is because I think you confused people when you tried to help. The fake and real votes need to be tallied together so people can see what's going on. That's all I was saying. I'm not Scum, I'm a control freak. I understand being a control freak, and I'm sorry I screwed up the vote tally. I'll see that you follow through on counting fake and real votes.
Hinckley Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I understand being a control freak, and I'm sorry I screwed up the vote tally. I'll see that you follow through on counting fake and real votes. I never originally intended it to be for me to be the only one tallying votes but when everyone got confused I can see the need to at least show how to do it before anyone else tries it. I'm actually trying to help clarify things. It's funny that I'm trying to help clarify voting tallies today, or offering to, and I get accused by The Cultist for trying to appear helpful with the very thing that made the vote leader unclear yesterday: a lack of tallies. Sorry I didn't vote for the lynchee or the second closest vote getter. Perhaps The Cult Leader and Blacked out Night Action Dude can clarify why they chose The Serial Killer as Scummier than The Cultist?
fhomess Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Regardless, I'm not terribly surprised about the serial killer. No, of course not. Fakevote: BONAD You cast the final vote for him of the day and you're not surprised? Only reason for that is that you're scum. That's the point, only the killers know who did what. The pills will make figuring out what happened a pain in the butt. The Serial killer could have been blocked, but Vig could have received an "upper", and made 2 kills, or conversely, the Scum's killer could have had 2 kills. There are several scenarios that could all play out and be perfectly logical at this point. I seriously doubt any of the killers got uppers last night. Cult Leader, in addition to the female lover, can you tell us how you feel about the Snake Charmer today?
Bob Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Perhaps The Cult Leader and Blacked out Night Action Dude can clarify why they chose The Serial Killer as Scummier than The Cultist? The Cultist doesn't stand out to me like the serial killer did. Simple as that. No, of course not. Fakevote: BONAD You cast the final vote for him of the day and you're not surprised? Only reason for that is that you're scum. I don't understand? No, I'm not surprised and when we lynched him I had my doubts that he was scum. You realize also that he was going to be lynched regardless of my vote or not.
Hinckley Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 I don't understand? No, I'm not surprised and when we lynched him I had my doubts that he was scum. You realize also that he was going to be lynched regardless of my vote or not. No, you hammered him. Had you voted for The Cultist, he would've been lynched instead. The hell? Two lynches? Regardless, I'm not terribly surprised about the serial killer. How do we know that the serial killer isn't the one who stayed home? Unless you know something we all don't. I missed this earlier. We don't know that was my point in asking only one of the three questions that could've been asked. The rest are given and now nobody needs to mention them. But you did anyway.
Adam Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 That. I wasn't ever meaning to defend, I was agreeing. Sorry if my wording wasn't the best.... I'm a stump. I understood that: my point was to illustrate how misguided it was to lynch someone for "defending" (re: agreeing with/arguing devil's advocate) when in fact doing so is fairly common. That must have been lost in translation. I don't understand? No, I'm not surprised and when we lynched him I had my doubts that he was scum. You realize also that he was going to be lynched regardless of my vote or not. Your first vote (albeit a fake one) was for the Virgin (Clanure) because "he's a bit odd and sticks out to me for some reason". Your second (and final) vote was for the Serial Killer (walter kovacs), it was the last vote of the day, it was the final nail in the SK's coffin, and you similarly supported it by saying that he rubbed you the wrong way. That stumps me the wrong way. I'm curious what seemingly put you off about both of the people you voted for, because the Usurper (TrumpetKing) has a point that bandwagoning and sealing the deal for a dead townie is a scumzo play. "He seems scummy" will only get someone so far when it comes to justifying a vote.
Kadabra Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Someone claimed already? Wow. Anyway, my number 1 is still the Cultist. Are you around, FDY?
Tamamono Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Literally the worst possible lynch. Anyways, big news today is two lynches. Guess we'll see how that goes soon, huh. I have someone I'd like to accuse. Take a look at this post: I'll vote: The Usurper (Trumpetking). The case on him seems to have disappeared for some reason, and he's been pushing me pretty repeatedly to get my vote in on time, which, while a nice gesture, doesn't exactly sound townie. Seems more like he's trying to get on my good side or look helpful, both of which are good things to do when under suspicion for only acting helpful. Sorry if it sounds like I'm stabbing you in the back, but I've taken the earlier arguments against you into mind as well. Hollow usefulness is completely pointless. Quit trying to look so townie and do something townie, or at least do nothing to avoid looking like you're trying too hard. Like I said yesterday, Jester voted for someone who wasn't on the block when it was obviously between Cultist and SK. This is a huge scum move; he got to convict a townie without actually saying anything about it. Plus, this is totally Jester's scumgame. Fakevote: Jester (Pie) I've got more thoughts on others (and thoughts on all your thoughts), but I haven't got time to make a proper wall at the moment. Maybe later.
TrumpetKing Posted May 28, 2013 Posted May 28, 2013 Well, I'm not too surprised about Serial Killer. But def and Kristel? Why them? I'm not surprised abut their affiliation either, less surprised about Kristel though. *Yawn* How long was I out? It seems like quite a bit more vocal than yesterday and I think we will be able to have a very detailed discussion today. I'm still suspicious of the cultist thanks to what happened yesterday. I also share a suspicion of the Jester from what the Serious Roleplayer shared. I think it is incredibly strange that somebody claimed to Hinckley. Why would somebody do that? Especially this early? And what if Hinck is scum? I think Hinck is more likely t be town, I understand most of what the Cult Leader said, but I'm still not entirely convinced that he is scum. As for the BONAD, I do find it interesting that he was the nail on the coffin for the Serial Killer. Why I agree with Treestump too. Saying "He's scummy" isn't a great justification, and is really easy to fake and use as a bandwagon excuse. I think today's best two options right now are BONAD and Cultist. But that's just me. Fake Vote: Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam)
CMP Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 Like I said yesterday, Jester voted for someone who wasn't on the block when it was obviously between Cultist and SK. This is a huge scum move; he got to convict a townie without actually saying anything about it. Plus, this is totally Jester's scumgame. Fakevote: Jester (Pie) I've got more thoughts on others (and thoughts on all your thoughts), but I haven't got time to make a proper wall at the moment. Maybe later. You cut out the part where I mentioned I had been absent for a lot of the day, which kind of factored into that. It was the only case I had been following up to that point, and even then, when I looked back, everyone just seemed to let it drop in favor of the Cultist and the Serial Killer, something I thought was odd. Maybe it was just people trying to start things going on Day One? Perhaps. I'm still inclined to keep the Usurper in mind as a suspect. Seeing as how I don't find the Cultist all that suspicious, I think a townie would've been lynched no matter where I placed my vote. That's just a consequence of not voting until so late, and I apologize for it. The SK got lynched for being a little suspicious and then not being around to address the suspicions, and it looks like the Cultist might go the same way (though he's had the time to post a lot of fluff, it seems). Now with time to review it, I don't think I would've voted for either of them anyway, and I don't think that'll change today. It was 5 - 7 at the time, in any case. Would you rather me have hopped on one of the bandwagons and have no effect on the outcome of the day? I didn't have time to pay attention later on, so I stuck to what I knew. It's completely my fault and not constructive to the town, I know, and I am sorry, but you're thinking I did it for the wrong reasons.
mostlytechnic Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 I seriously doubt any of the killers got uppers last night. Odds are, no killer got uppers. Can't say it didn't happen, but let's see... so there could have been a lynch, scum kill, vig, and serial kill. 4 dead if there were no pills or other impacts on the killers. (since the inventor couldn't have made and given a pistol yet). Since only 3 are dead, then either the SK or vig didn't kill (seems unlikely), one of the killers was blocked (possible), or one of them got pill-blocked. Seems incredibly unlikely that anyone got an upper - that'd require the scum-kill being blocked, either SK or vig being blocked (via pill), and the other getting an upper. Odds of all that are darn close to nil. Anything I missed in my logic there? Now, more importantly... yesterday's voting. To put it into text, it went like this (thanks Cult Leader for the chart, making this summary easier - I'm only looking here at the SK and Cultist votes): I started it early with my vote for SK. Gut feeling, triggered by his logic, that turned out wrong. It happens, especially day 1. But then... jamesn joined me. Kadabra gave Cultist his first vote. Jamesn unvoted, tying it up. fhomess voted SK. TrunpetKing voted cultist, tying it up at 2:2. Tamono voted cultist, giving cultist his first lead. Kristel voted SK, tying it back up. Then clanure voted SK; LegoDad tied it up. Rufus voted SK; jamesn tied it. Purpearl and bob voted SK, making it 7:5. Obviously we know that Kristel was town. The rest are unknown. Based just on the votes though, I'm suspicious of clanure, rufus, purpearl, and bob. Now if only we knew for sure what FDY's alignment is.... and I'll have to take some time to ponder their reasons for voting against SK.
XimenaPaulina Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 I've looked at the PM from The Vanilla Townie and I think The Rolecop should re-think his aspirations to be a professional summarizer. Very helpful Hinckley with your abrasive attitude. Good job. Pls. continue doing so in the best interest of the town.
Hinckley Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 Very helpful Hinckley with your abrasive attitude. Good job. Pls. continue doing so in the best interest of the town. So have you decided to work on your abrasive attitude so you can look down your nose at others? Your summary didn't match the actual content of Kristel's PM. It was a poor summary. You sincerely should not pursue a career as a professional summarizer... non-abrasively.
Kadabra Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 Odds are, no killer got uppers. Can't say it didn't happen, but let's see... so there could have been a lynch, scum kill, vig, and serial kill. 4 dead if there were no pills or other impacts on the killers. (since the inventor couldn't have made and given a pistol yet). Since only 3 are dead, then either the SK or vig didn't kill (seems unlikely), one of the killers was blocked (possible), or one of them got pill-blocked. Seems incredibly unlikely that anyone got an upper - that'd require the scum-kill being blocked, either SK or vig being blocked (via pill), and the other getting an upper. Odds of all that are darn close to nil. Anything I missed in my logic there? Now, more importantly... yesterday's voting. To put it into text, it went like this (thanks Cult Leader for the chart, making this summary easier - I'm only looking here at the SK and Cultist votes): I started it early with my vote for SK. Gut feeling, triggered by his logic, that turned out wrong. It happens, especially day 1. But then... jamesn joined me. Kadabra gave Cultist his first vote. Jamesn unvoted, tying it up. fhomess voted SK. TrunpetKing voted cultist, tying it up at 2:2. Tamono voted cultist, giving cultist his first lead. Kristel voted SK, tying it back up. Then clanure voted SK; LegoDad tied it up. Rufus voted SK; jamesn tied it. Purpearl and bob voted SK, making it 7:5. Obviously we know that Kristel was town. The rest are unknown. Based just on the votes though, I'm suspicious of clanure, rufus, purpearl, and bob. Now if only we knew for sure what FDY's alignment is.... and I'll have to take some time to ponder their reasons for voting against SK. No need to ponder my reason for not voting SK - I didn't want to vote a guy for Day 1 nonsense before he had a chance to explain it. If he said he was being serious with that insane troll logic, I probably would've voted him - but I was pretty sure he was joking, and Cultist was being scummy as heck.
jimmynick Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 So have you decided to work on your abrasive attitude so you can look down your nose at others? Your summary didn't match the actual content of Kristel's PM. It was a poor summary. You sincerely should not pursue a career as a professional summarizer... non-abrasively. *POKE* If we're playing "he said, she said" then what's your interpretation of your interaction with Kristel via PM? Have you analyzed any of the posts you dumped on Page One? When was the Adam Ant concert you went to?
Hinckley Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 As I'm still on my phone, I'll analyze the votes when I'm at a computer. The Rolecop made it sound like Kristel was in contact with me and that I had said she and I were lovers when she was only summarizing The Male Lover's PM with her which he summarized for us here, nicely, by himself.
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