Mafia Mafia: Day Two - Lynch Lunch Hour!

[LegoDad]

No, of course not. Fakevote: BONAD

You cast the final vote for him of the day and you're not surprised? Only reason for that is that you're scum.

I seriously doubt any of the killers got uppers last night.

Cult Leader, in addition to the female lover, can you tell us how you feel about the Snake Charmer today?

I was speaking in general, that there are numerous ways that last night could have played out. I really doubt that there was an upper as well since the kills were of a different flavor, so to speak. And that there were only 2 of them, meaning there was a block or a downer, or someone didn't get a kill in, which is unlikely.

[jimmynick]

I was speaking in general, that there are numerous ways that last night could have played out. I really doubt that there was an upper as well since the kills were of a different flavor, so to speak. And that there were only 2 of them, meaning there was a block or a downer, or someone didn't get a kill in, which is unlikely.

Thanks for the concise explanation everyone seemed to be missing.

[LegoDad]

Thanks for the concise explanation everyone seemed to be missing.

You're welcome.

[TrumpetKing]

... So..... I still want to hear from Cultist. He didn't say anything helpful yesterday, and when he was accused, he gave a very predictable response...... So speak, please, Ms. Cultist, and explain your odd behavior.

[Clanure]

PGO, Virgin and BONAG: It's precious that you guys decided to vote for The Serial Killer because he had not shown up to defend himself. I'm not excusing what he did, but seriously? You're all on my radar, and the Cultist still is as well.

Like I said yesterday: not comfortable? Don't vote. Voting whilst confused, especially now there is only one unvote, is a very bad idea.

I believe it is important to fess up when one makes a mistake, so I'll admit that I screwed up here. I really wasn't comfortable with the vote for the SK, but felt he was the best we had. I misread the rules and believed that we had to vote for someone. I'm not meaning this to excuse my actions, but more to explain why I voted the way I did. It is unfortunate that I voted when I did though, as I truly wasn't aware at the time that I was creating/breaking a tie.

[DarthPotato]

Cult Leader, your accusations against me have been just getting inconsistent at this point. Yesterday you specifically said I was scum defending the SK, and then when the SK flips Town I'm still scum apparently. I guess that means I'm always scum, then.

I'm still bugged by the Cultist for just going with the tide yesterday and adding just about no new insight in his posts, by the way.

[fhomess]

and Cultist was being scummy as heck.

This seems like a bit of an exaggeration considering your vote for the Cultist was based on a single wishy-washy post. Just a few posts earlier, you were ready to vote for someone else.

Cult Leader, your accusations against me have been just getting inconsistent at this point. Yesterday you specifically said I was scum defending the SK, and then when the SK flips Town I'm still scum apparently. I guess that means I'm always scum, then.

I'm still bugged by the Cultist for just going with the tide yesterday and adding just about no new insight in his posts, by the way.

A bit defensive? The Cult Leader hasn't accused you of anything today. In fact, I've been watching for it as he made a few comments about it, but the only thing he's said about you today was that he accused you yesterday. Guilty conscience?

[DarthPotato]

He did accuse me today.

Yesterday, he fake-voted me for accusing his Potato team-mate. But if you look at what he said, he was very careful to say I could be right, just in case the Snakey lynch carried. Notice also his vote for the Cop late in the day, after having taken pains to avoid a 'head-to-head' with def (which we would normally have expected). His vote for the cop came at a stage in the voting when there were only two votes for Serial Kovacs, and one for several other players. This had the effect of spreading the lynch choices even further, whilst avoiding possibly sparking a bandwagon on another player - whoever did break the voting deadlock would be sure to be under scrutiny if the lynchee showed up Town.

[Hinckley]

He did accuse me today.

That was aimed at me.

[Waterbrick Down]

I was speaking in general, that there are numerous ways that last night could have played out. I really doubt that there was an upper as well since the kills were of a different flavor, so to speak. And that there were only 2 of them, meaning there was a block or a downer, or someone didn't get a kill in, which is unlikely.

For completeness sake let's not forget about the life saver pills and the JOATS. I'd be interested in doing a little more analysis on the timing of the votes yesterday and the switching back and forth. Personally, I already outlined my reasoning of not thinking the SK was scummy and by the time I got on the cop had said that voting was closed. Given that the SK turned out town and it was a fairly contested lynch, I'd wager that the Cultist is worth a second look given the fact that it would have been easier for the scum just to join in one of the bandwagons and finish off either of the potential lynches if they were both town, which the scum would know.

[DarthPotato]

That was aimed at me.

Yeah, but he's calling me your teammate. If he thinks you're scum then that would mean he thinks I am too.

[Hinckley]

Yeah, but he's calling me your teammate. If he thinks you're scum then that would mean he thinks I am too.

Ah, I see your point. Sorry.

[DarthPotato]

Well, for the sake of it, what is your opinion on me today, Cult Leader? Because I was thinking you still had the same thoughts as yesterday. If so, then that would have contradicted a lot of what you said.

[Rufus]

Well, for the sake of it, what is your opinion on me today, Cult Leader? Because I was thinking you still had the same thoughts as yesterday. If so, then that would have contradicted a lot of what you said.

I still think you're likely to be scum. So I was wrong about you defending a team-mate yesterday, but ever since I accused you, you've been entirely on the defensive. I don't think you've said one thing since that wasn't defensive. It's the scum mindset - you've focused entirely today on one small comment I made, without any attention to the far more important issues going on. What is your opinion on these?

Perhaps The Cult Leader and Blacked out Night Action Dude can clarify why they chose The Serial Killer as Scummier than The Cultist?

I explained yesterday; go and read it.

The Cultist could well be scum, or he could be a confused townie. He certainly seems to be in no rush to put in an appearance today, and I'll be interested to see what he has to say for himself. From what he said yesterday, it's less likely that he and Snake Charmer are both scum.

[Purpearljellyblob]

1. First Day Lynch & The Talking Animal - The reason I voted for The SK is because I am not convinced how his inactivity is going to help the Town in any way.

2. First Day Lynch created a lot of confusion when he got the fake votes tally mixed up. If you can tell The Virgin that if he is not comfortable with something he should not do it, then I suppose that if you want to take the initiative to tally the fake votes, you should be comfortable with that and not create confusion to the Town by doing so.

3. First Day Lynch voted for The SK and then subsequently switched his vote for The Cultist. The way First Day Lynch approached The SK issue reminded me of the paradigm that 'If The SK turns out Town, he would say I Told You All So'.

[Esurient]

@The Talking Animal - I agree with you that quality of posts weighs more than quantity. Bear in mind that The Ursurper noticed his absence first but The Doctor didn't seem to respond/or take it seriously so I decided to pursue it further by placing a vote on him. The Doctor has since moved down my list of suspicious people after he has responded to queries. But since you brought this up again, I find that you are 'playing it safe' by actively defending your 'inactivity' (which I don't seem find your activity suspicious previously, but I do now).

@BOAD - Like other people mentioned, you hammered The SK's lynch, just want to know from you why the sudden change from The Virgin to The SK?

I am also interested to know why a handful of people did not vote on Day 1. Of course the rules states that it is not mandatory to vote, but as it was suggested, the lynch is the Town's biggest weapon, and voting also opens up one to further scrutiny and analysis. I think for the betterment of Town, everyone should voice their opinion and place their votes on who they think they find most suspicious.

[Hinckley]

Well, for the sake of it, what is your opinion on me today, Cult Leader? Because I was thinking you still had the same thoughts as yesterday. If so, then that would have contradicted a lot of what you said.

I think he was saying, originally, that even if The Serial Killer turned up Town, you would look good for having defended him. So, you were either defending a Scum buddy or defending someone you, as Scum, knew to be a Townie, to make you look better later. It's a fair point that we should watch for people defending other people on Day One, but I don't think it's enough to place a vote on. Better to watch you and remember that in case anything else comes up.

[Hinckley]

I explained yesterday; go and read it.

Thank you, yes, perhaps I should be more clear about my ability to read. I did read it. So the cultist just seemed like a pussy foot and you sensed resistance to the Serial Killer. Maybe the resistance you sense was because it was a shitty lynch that the lynchee didn't have a chance to respond to. That usually causes resistance. So what are your thoughts today, outside of The Female Lover tunnel you've been in so far. My tunnel... Oh grow up. That quote you're referring to that makes you think The Snake Charmer and Cultist aren't on the same side:

I too, think that the Snake Charmer is somewhat fishy in his "defence". Although the Usurper has been rather.. roleplaying today and not contributing in general. Something I'm at fault with too, I think his activity isn't as fishy as Snake Charmer's today. I'd like to say that the NPC's just as fishy today but I'm leaning towards Snake Charmer for now but I won't vote for him just yet.

He thinks he's somewhat fishy but won't vote for him. That's pretty solid evidence that they're not playing together...wait, I'm actually being sarcastic. It's not a solid indication of anything. Oh no!!, he leaned towards voting for him, they must be on opposite teams especially after those harsh words like "fishy". I don't want to just throw sarcasm at you, but after you picked apart everything I said for the first part of the day, I can't help but take a very close look at what you are up to and something still seems off to me...

[Piratedave84]

Good morning!

I have compiled the follwing yesterday which outlines every vote/fake-vote & unvotes and fake-unvotes. You will notice that the First Day Lynch and the Usurper's voting is all over the place.

Here are my notes on how the voting for the SK and Cultist evolved (someone has already posted something similar yesterday):

0 - Talking Animal - Vote SK - initial vote on SK

1 - First day lynch - Vote SK - gives lead to SK

2- Godfather - Vote Cultist - Initial vote on Cultist

3 - First day lynch - Unvote SK - Ties vote

4 - Goon - Vote SK - Gave lead to SK

5 - Usurper - Vote Cultist - Ties vote

6 - Roleplayer - Vote Cultist - Gave lead to cultist

7 - Vanilla Townie - Vote SK - Ties vote

8 - Virgin - Vote SK - Gave lead to SK

9 - Male Lover - Vote Cultist - Ties vote; a point had been made by the First Day lynch about the importance of not tying the vote

10 - Cult Leader - vote SK - Gave lead to SK

11 - First Day Lynch - Vote Cultist - Re-ties the vote after he called out people for doing the same; later apologizes; claims has not seen the other votes although 6 mins+ had passed since last vote (Cult Leader)

12 - PGO - Vote SK - Gives lead to SK

13 - BONAD - Vote SK - Seals faith of SK

What strikes me as odd in this, and it may be a case of misinterpretation, is that the First Day Lynch tied the vote twice (albeit once was very early in the voting) but was later very vocal about the importance of NOT tying the vote.

As for the rest of the day, here are some observartions I made:

Usurper (Trumpet)-> Says talking animal (technic) makes little sense (twice)but votes for NPC; First to vote; asks NPC (Ess) to answer 'suspicions' which he naver made clear (maybe referring to the post made by Hinck), and quickly unvotes him; changes his mind and says SK vote "makes more sense"; -> IMO of lesser concern

Tree stump (Adam) -> Did not bother to vote; stepped in picked a pill and steped out; made 2 posts with some substance; nothing helpful; called 2 votes + 1 fake vote a bandwagon; -> Should be taken out for lack of participation

The Witch (Waterbrick Down)-> Did not bother to vote; made several alelfgations against players but in the end did not vote;

Snake Charmer (Darth potato) -> Did not bother to vote;

That's it for now

[TrumpetKing]

What? You want Treestump gone because he isn't participating? The wording of your post reads to me that you think he's town but you want to lynch him. You're starting to look weird... But to be fair, you haven't been very active either..... Are you asking that we get rid of you, too? Granted, you have spoken more than the treestump has.

[Hinckley]

That's it for now

Thanks for doing this, The Doctor. This is what I had been meaning to do, but didn't have the time last night. The term, by the way, is seals fate.

[Piratedave84]

What? You want Treestump gone because he isn't participating? The wording of your post reads to me that you think he's town but you want to lynch him. You're starting to look weird... But to be fair, you haven't been very active either..... Are you asking that we get rid of you, too? Granted, you have spoken more than the treestump has.

I don;t think nothing ... he gave us nothing to go on! We have all lynched players for inactivity that were more vocal than him!

Inactivity is the slow killer of town, so yes we should probably look at Adam as our secondary lynch today.

Speaking of activity; there is a saying that "less is more", which I think is an approapriate way to behave in mafia.

Now can the saying be inverted to say "more is less"? In your case probably; you posted 40 times yesterday, the next more vocal person was the Female Lover with 26 interactions (some were actually vote tallies, so let's say she posted 23 times). You were twice as active as other individuals were but several of your posts merely echoed thoughts formulated by others; less is more, remember it and quit hiding behind your high post count!

[LegoDad]

This is a great analysis Doctor. I initially voted for the Stump yesterday, and I think I may very well do the same today.

There has seemed to be questionable behavior across the board so far, making it hard to really hone in on somebody. There have been a handful of VERY quiet people, and those are personally who I'm interested in. Day 2 has been here for a while now and only a handful of us have even chimed in it seems.

As for the voting and who tied the vote and who gave someone the lead. In all fairness, it was very hard to know even where the vote stood yesterday. I know that I will pay more attention to where we stand as far as votes go, but since it appears we don't need a majority to lynch, bandwagoning on somebody becomes less of an issue. Hell, a tied vote today at the top doesn't really even come into play with the 2 lynches(unless there are more than 2 tied, I know )

[jimmynick]

2. First Day Lynch created a lot of confusion when he got the fake votes tally mixed up. If you can tell The Virgin that if he is not comfortable with something he should not do it, then I suppose that if you want to take the initiative to tally the fake votes, you should be comfortable with that and not create confusion to the Town by doing so.

3. First Day Lynch voted for The SK and then subsequently switched his vote for The Cultist. The way First Day Lynch approached The SK issue reminded me of the paradigm that 'If The SK turns out Town, he would say I Told You All So'.

2. You're going about this the wrong way. I wanted to tally votes and was comfortable doing so, and I screwed up. Sorry. The Virgin, on the other hand, voted for the SK whilst saying he was not comfortable doing so. Different situations.

3. False. The Cultist was, to me, scummier than the SK which is why I moved my vote from the SK to the Cultist.

What strikes me as odd in this, and it may be a case of misinterpretation, is that the First Day Lynch tied the vote twice (albeit once was very early in the voting) but was later very vocal about the importance of NOT tying the vote.

I was never vocal about the importance of NOT tying the vote; instead, I called the Virgin out for breaking a tie whilst being uncomfortable and clueless

You're not comfortable about voting for someone, yet you broke the tie of 3 vs. 3 on The Cultist vs. SK? As far as I can tell, the rules do not force us to make a decision every day. If you feel uncomfortable making that decision, leave it to the rest of us. That, and the fact you're being quiet for the most part today, means a ping. You're not worth a vote today because that would just split everything further.

I cannot unvote once I vote today, but I'm trying to decide for myself between The Cop and The Cultist.

... And the votes are yet again level....

Usurper was the one who didn't want a tied vote. I mean, I felt a little bit bad about tying the vote, but I didn't see the Cult Leader's post because I was in the middle of posting my own vote.

@ Doctor: Do you want to policy-lynch the tree stump but not the Cultist, or do you also want to lynch him? What about the goon, who hasn't been around today? Or the NPC?

[Piratedave84]

SNIP

As for the voting and who tied the vote and who gave someone the lead. In all fairness, it was very hard to know even where the vote stood yesterday.

SNIP

That is a valid point which I meant to address in my analysis; the votes can be taken with a grain of salt, albeit a small grain!, it was very confusing!

The argument that "I thought voting was closed" is not valid IMO; if unsure, you should have voted -> directed @ The Witch, Treestump and Snake Charmer

I was never vocal about the importance of NOT tying the vote; instead, I called the Virgin out for breaking a tie whilst being uncomfortable and clueless

Oh yes, I see now, sorry, I was going by memory! But is not bridging the gap as bad as breaking it?

@ Doctor: Do you want to policy-lynch the tree stump but not the Cultist, or do you also want to lynch him? What about the goon, who hasn't been around today? Or the NPC?

I don't have an opinion on the Cultist as of now, I have to re-read yesterday's thread to see how he interacted.

Why the Goon in particular? Why not the Jester, the roleplayer, the PGO, The witch ot the Virgin? They all have low post count (lower than the Goon actually)!

And yes, policy-lynch the Stump!