Mafia Mafia: Day Two - Lynch Lunch Hour!

[LegoDad]

Don't let it be. As bad an idea as it was for him to blab everything he knew, I have the feeling it was well-intentioned. I want to murder him but not lynch him. So, don't let that be a distraction. Let's not focus on his mistake, which might not even be a mistake - it may just be he made a different play than some of us would. It is his game, he can play however he wants. But let's not focus on that. Let's find the Scum hiding among us.

Male Lover, I'm still not satisfied with your answer about why you thought The Cop changing his game got him killed. Not sure exactly what to do about it though, either. What does anyone else think about it? I know this whole Blacked-Out-Night-Action Dude fiasco has kind of blurred the issue. The Male Lover says that def was a metagame kill after I already said the vig didn't kill. Why would the Scum or Serial Killer kill someone the Town found suspicious? Why is The Male Lover so convinced that this was a metagame kill due to The Cop's suspicious behavior? Scum mindset? Let's get talking, people. Come on. There are plenty of issue to discuss besides Bob's big mouth.

I'm not really here to satisfy you, that is your job! Had to throw that in. Anyway, I'm making assumptions, we all know what they do and it's doing it to me right now. In my head, it seemed to make the most sense, that is all. I have nothing to base this off of within this game but I know that he has always acted differently in past lives. Why are you so sure the Vig didn't kill last night? Because they told you? You said yourself that you don't 100% trust the information you got from them, so why hammer me with info that you don't even trust 100%?

I also like how you're going after non-voters in this fake vote world when we all agreed it was a train wreck yesterday. How's this? fake vote: The Cultist: (fred daniel yam)

Reading back through the day thread, came across another contradiction.

Any particular reason for the mismatch Male Lover?

Because I don't memorize every post I make and make mistakes along the way, and seem to be doing a good job of that now. I used those as examples of 2 possible kills that could have occurred during the night.

[Hinckley]

I'm not really here to satisfy you, that is your job! Had to throw that in. Anyway, I'm making assumptions, we all know what they do and it's doing it to me right now. In my head, it seemed to make the most sense, that is all. I have nothing to base this off of within this game but I know that he has always acted differently in past lives. Why are you so sure the Vig didn't kill last night? Because they told you? You said yourself that you don't 100% trust the information you got from them, so why hammer me with info that you don't even trust 100%?

I'm not hammering you. I'm asking for clarification. You said The Cop was killed for being suspicious and guessed it was by the Scum or Serial Killer. So, why would the Scum or Serial Killer kill someone the Town found suspicious?

I also like how you're going after non-voters in this fake vote world when we all agreed it was a train wreck yesterday. How's this? fake vote: The Cultist: (fred daniel yam)

Again, I'm not "going after them". I'm simply saying they may not want to participate to avoid possibly slipping or contradicting themselves later. Scum do not want to make accusations. But, I don't think everyone agreed it was a train wreck, clearly, as people are still using the fake vote system.

You're bristly.

Ooops. Sorry. That's not exactly what you said:

I re-read Day 1 this morning and had some thoughts, and then def got killed, basically ruining what I was going to say about him, and would have been wrong anyway. I had never been in this situation with him before, but he definitely seemed to be turning over a new leaf, one that either the town or scum killer did not like. My lover(hinckley) didn't really trust him, but I also feel that she's town. I would like to see more from the Virgin(clanure) and the Stump(Adam) today. I know that I will be more active today as it appears it's going to be necessary now. We know the numbers of the teams, so it's 13-6 right now. It won't take many nights for this to get close fast, so we better start trusting and working together or this will be a fast game.

I definitely see where you're coming from and that's why I assumed it was a Vig kill or Serial kill. He was getting a lot of heat from guys like you and wouldn't really make a great Scum kill candidate because he was already getting lynch votes, he was doing fine screwing with you guys all by himself. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but that was the way that I saw it.

[Bob]

Sorry for rushing into things so badly everyone.

Unvote: Witch (Waterbrick Down)

fake vote: The Cultist: (Fred Daniel Yam)

[Piratedave84]

No. We needed more than one person on the lookout for it in case I wasn't around when the pill cart arrived.

Given the possibilty of it's importance, it's a fair approach;

[jimmynick]

Honestly, I'm getting worried about the Male Lover's inconsistent analysis of The Cop's kill last night (scum v. vig / SK v. vig). It's a good bet to say neither of those kills was the vig, since we have someone telling the same story to both BONAD and the Female Lover, and no vig counter-claim seems to have arisen. So

Fakevote: Male Lover (LegoDad)

[Hinckley]

I'll un-fake vote: The Male Lover (LEGODad) and vote: The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam) who logged in about an hour ago, yet didn't bother to answer to any accusations or even post.

I think Blacked-Out Night Action Dude was too eager to help, but seems Town to me right now.

I believe the claimed vig has sufficiently explained his/her target of The Witch. I wouldn't play that way, but I understand now what the thought process was.

I think The Male Lover (LEGODad) should be watched closely, but could just be making mistakes.

Who else do we have concerns about. I remember a good point being brought up earlier that seems to have been lost in the whole Witch debacle.

Here's where the votes stand:

The Female Lover (Hinckley): 1 vote (Rufus)

The Blacked-Out Night Action Dude (Bob): 1 vote (fhomess)

The Jester (CallMePie): 1 vote (Tamamono)

The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 4 votes (TrumpetKing, PirateDave84, LEGODad, Bob, Hinckley)

The Male Lover (LEGODad): 1 vote (jamesn)

The Witch (Waterbrick Down): 1 vote (CallMePie)

[Piratedave84]

Hum .... After re-reading the thread and making some notes, I noticed that 2 people have yet to take their pills:

Snake Charmer - posted a few times, yet picked no pill

Cultist - What's to say here ....

LOOK ALIVE PEOPLE!

[Hinckley]

This was the good point I was referring to:

Good ol' tree stump wrote a post about BONAD's voting yesterday (I also noted BONAD's behaviour) which seems to have been forgotten by the Doctor and the Male Lover when arguing Lynch all Lurkers:

Tree Stump is trying to catch scum. He's your prime target. Are you two protecting The Cultist? Are you two also trying to catch scum?

Stop being so pill-popping and antisocial! What is your take on policy-lynching inactive players (hint: we shouldn't)? What do you think about the people intending to vote for the Tree Stump again? What do you think of BONAD?

*POKE*

I, for one, favour Pie (for quietly allowing the lynch to go through) and BONAD (for hammering SK) for the lynches today.

Also, The Tree Stump made a good point about The Doctor:

It appears that the Doctor (Piratedave84) and the Loverboy (LegoDad) have raised concerns about my relative inactivity. It's true that I've been one of (if not the) least active player thus far, and for that I apologize. However, "policy-lynching" me (or any quiet player) is ridiculous, which several other people have since explained. In fact, in one humorously hypocritical post, the Doctor demonstrates this argument.

Well, there you go. It's certainly true that a quiet player can impede the town through his or her silence and that the scum will generally try to fly under the radar, but ultimately the content of a person's posts matters more than quantity. You yourself just said this very same thing when confronted with your relatively small post count!

Doctor, how many posts should we have a day to avoid appearing Scummy to you?

[Piratedave84]

14!

no seriously, I get that some low-posters may actually contribute valid points (Stump) but others (PGO, Cultist, Snake Charmer, Pie, etc.) do not.

Why is everyone disagreeing that lynching lurkers is a bad idea? There is bound to be 1 or more scum in the above-mentionned people.

You guys truly believe that these guys don't deserve scrutiny?

This theory has proven to be valid in the past and should be considered as such this time around as well.

[fhomess]

Yes, I'm quoting myself here. If The Witch is telling the truth, then I've got a free pass tonight and can be as much of a bold dick to the Scum as I want, so I'm going to try to poke them out a bit by saying I doubt they're involved in any fake voting. That's one nice thing about what we're doing because of the one un-vote rule. Scum usually don't vote right away, but if we're all planning out our votes in this way, it's not very likely that the Scum will be taking part. It's one thing to discuss suspicions, but to put it out there in the form of a fake vote might be something The Scum are avoiding. So, let's look at the non-fake-voters:

The Role Cop (KielDaMan) - Reads Town to me.

The Godfather (Kadabra) -

The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam) - I hate to lynch another person that isn't around to defend himself but maybe that's what he's hoping will happen.

The NPC (Esurient) -

The Doctor (Piratedave84) -

The Jester (CallMePie) -

The Male Lover (LegoDad) -

The PGO (Purpearljellyblob) - Under the radar much? Certainly knows when the pill cart is here, but doesn't have much else to say.

The Witch (Waterbrick Down) - doesn't even place real votes.

The Treestump (Adam) - Oh, the crime of being quiet.

The Talking Animal (mostlytechnic) -

The Virgin (Clanure) -

There, all those people are Scum. Um, maybe this isn't such a bright theory or a scary poke for the Scum, but the idea sounded pretty valid before I tried to type it out. Anyway, it's something to think about. I'm not saying that anyone who doesn't try my idea is Scum, perhaps it's still confusing for some, but I do doubt that the Scum would boldly start even fake cases against people.

There's something uncomfortable to me about this post. It's like you're saying, "Hey, look over there!" You really don't think there's scum among the fake voters? Surely you're smarter than that.

So you (Witch, Goon and you) decided before hand that the Goon (fhomess) would take the pill, but then you also asked for it even though it had been decided the Goon would take it?

As Female Lover said, he asked me to be on the lookout for it in case he wasn't around. I don't know why he trusted me with that information. Apparently the Witch felt I was trustworthy enough to share the info with as well. At least, that's what I was told by the Female Lover. I will say that they're not both scum... they wouldn't have shared any of that information with me if they were. That said, if the Witch is town and the Female Lover scum, I wouldn't put it past her to try to curry favor with me by sharing the information. She wasn't particularly careful with the reveal. I'm not sure exactly what I've done to earn that trust, but the way I see it is this:

Witch and Female Lover both scum - Not a chance. I haven't been in contact with the Vig, so there's no reason for this information to have come to me if they're both scum.

One of Witch and Female lover scum or SK - possible

Both Witch and Female Lover town - possible

I don't yet have a strong opinion on which of the last two is more likely. I have yet to talk to the Witch in private.

Here's where the votes stand:

The Female Lover (Hinckley): 1 vote (Rufus)

The Blacked-Out Night Action Dude (Bob): 1 vote (fhomess)

The Jester (CallMePie): 1 vote (Tamamono)

The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 4 votes (TrumpetKing, PirateDave84, LEGODad, Bob, Hinckley)

The Male Lover (LEGODad): 1 vote (jamesn)

The Witch (Waterbrick Down): 1 vote (CallMePie)

You have been missing my fake vote for Male Lover, which was fairly early. You even got upset with me for not unfakevoting BONAD.

Why is everyone disagreeing that lynching lurkers is a bad idea? There is bound to be 1 or more scum in the above-mentionned people.

It's a bad idea when there are more concrete suspicions to follow. In the absence of solid suspicions on people, it's useful to eliminate chaff. That said, if someone makes repeated mistakes in comprehension, like the Male Lover seems to do, it begins to beg credulity. He can't be bothered to properly read the stuff he's quoting. He can't be bothered to even remember what he wrote himself.

The main problem when lynching lurkers is when you have several, how do you properly choose between them? It's not hard for the scum to latch onto a small thing a lurker says and blow it up in such a way that the lurker isn't responding to. The moral of the story, of course, is that lurkers hurt town most when they're townies by bringing suspicion away from the scum we're trying to catch. Voting simply for inactivity is not ok, IMO. Voting for repeatedly showing up and not contributing is a bit different, and I'm beginning to suspect Cultist really is avoiding at this point, but that's more substantive than simply not being around.

[Clanure]

14!

no seriously, I get that some low-posters may actually contribute valid points (Stump) but others (PGO, Cultist, Snake Charmer, Pie, etc.) do not.

Why is everyone disagreeing that lynching lurkers is a bad idea? There is bound to be 1 or more scum in the above-mentionned people.

You guys truly believe that these guys don't deserve scrutiny?

This theory has proven to be valid in the past and should be considered as such this time around as well.

Do they deserve scrutiny? Yes, of course they do. And I agree that there is bound to be scum among them. But I think that option should be used in absence of any other valid information to work with.

It's a bad idea when there are more concrete suspicions to follow. In the absence of solid suspicions on people, it's useful to eliminate chaff. That said, if someone makes repeated mistakes in comprehension, like the Male Lover seems to do, it begins to beg credulity. He can't be bothered to properly read the stuff he's quoting. He can't be bothered to even remember what he wrote himself.

The main problem when lynching lurkers is when you have several, how do you properly choose between them? It's not hard for the scum to latch onto a small thing a lurker says and blow it up in such a way that the lurker isn't responding to. The moral of the story, of course, is that lurkers hurt town most when they're townies by bringing suspicion away from the scum we're trying to catch. Voting simply for inactivity is not ok, IMO. Voting for repeatedly showing up and not contributing is a bit different, and I'm beginning to suspect Cultist really is avoiding at this point, but that's more substantive than simply not being around.

fhomess said it a bit better I think.

At this point, with the continued callouts/pokes to the Cultist, and his continued lack of response (countered with his known presence), I think the choice for today is getting clearer and clearer.

Fakevote: The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam)

[Hinckley]

There's something uncomfortable to me about this post. It's like you're saying, "Hey, look over there!" You really don't think there's scum among the fake voters? Surely you're smarter than that.

I think you should read the whole post again. But, if that's your opinion of it, that's your opinion of it. I'm not trying to distract from anything. I actually am trying to reign in the distractions, which is why I told people to stop focusing on Blabbermouth Bob. That would've been an easy thing to use to cause distraction and we should look at the two people who mentioned him being a concern.

As Female Lover said, he asked me to be on the lookout for it in case he wasn't around. I don't know why he trusted me with that information. Apparently the Witch felt I was trustworthy enough to share the info with as well. At least, that's what I was told by the Female Lover. I will say that they're not both scum... they wouldn't have shared any of that information with me if they were. That said, if the Witch is town and the Female Lover scum, I wouldn't put it past her to try to curry favor with me by sharing the information. She wasn't particularly careful with the reveal. .

I'll end the mystery right now. You fake voted for Blacked-Out Night Action Dude and as the day was beginning, I found him suspicious. I thought he and The Doctor were both Scum. I'll explain why some other time. However, since you also found Blacked-Out Night Action dude Scummy, I felt I could trust you. That's all. The Witch mentioned you and The Talking Animal as the people he thought we should tell to try and get the pill. I don't know if he spoke to The Talking Animal about it, but he said he felt The Talking Animal was in Town-mode.

You have been missing my fake vote for Male Lover, which was fairly early. You even got upset with me for not unfakevoting BONAD.

You didn't fake un-vote so I'm not counting the new one. Treat it like a vote. That's the only way it will work.

[fhomess]

You didn't fake un-vote so I'm not counting the new one. Treat it like a vote. That's the only way it will work.

Well, you did earlier... and I seem to recall that in Jedi Temple, we weren't strict with it this way.

Fine...

unfakevote: BONAD

fakevote: Male Lover

[Piratedave84]

It's a bad idea when there are more concrete suspicions to follow. In the absence of solid suspicions on people, it's useful to eliminate chaff. That said, if someone makes repeated mistakes in comprehension, like the Male Lover seems to do, it begins to beg credulity. He can't be bothered to properly read the stuff he's quoting. He can't be bothered to even remember what he wrote himself.

The main problem when lynching lurkers is when you have several, how do you properly choose between them? It's not hard for the scum to latch onto a small thing a lurker says and blow it up in such a way that the lurker isn't responding to. The moral of the story, of course, is that lurkers hurt town most when they're townies by bringing suspicion away from the scum we're trying to catch. Voting simply for inactivity is not ok, IMO. Voting for repeatedly showing up and not contributing is a bit different, and I'm beginning to suspect Cultist really is avoiding at this point, but that's more substantive than simply not being around.

We are going back to an argument I made early in the day, when we had yet to get any concrete leads, before the Witch/Vig/lover thing broke out.

I will change my wording from now on to say "scrutinize" instead of "lynch" to appease the masses!

And to make it clear once and for all: I have no intention of voting for, pushing for a lynch of or suggest a kill of the Stump. My using him as an example in my original post comes from the fact that he was first on my alphabeticaly sorted list of lurkers/low posters.

[Hinckley]

In my opinion, these should be our focus for the Day:

The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam) - for obvious reasons.

The Snake Charmer (DarthPotato) - a very smart and usually active player and yet, now that the smoke has cleared from The Cult Leader's accusation, he hasn't been contributing to all that has been happening.

The Paranoid Gun Owner (Purpearljellyblob) - Call this one a gut feeling. There's something I just don't like about him. He's flying under the radar, but seems to be paying enough attention to get pills, etc.

The Male Lover (LEGODad) - Are the inconsistencies just mistakes and sloppy reading? He seems to be trying to be helpful to The Town and I agree with a good number of his points but we've noticed some things we don't like about what he's saying as well, specifically the odd feeling that The Cop was killed for being suspicious when we know the vigilante was unsuccessful.

Am I missing any major suspects?

I do have to wonder why The Witch revealed so easily to me that the pill was the unkillable one. Had I taken that pill and someone tried to kill me and contacted me about it, I'd certainly be a lot more dodgy. Maybe I would, who knows. Maybe I can just ask The Witch: why did you reveal the property of the pill to me so quickly? What had I done that you trusted me with the info?

Lastly, we need to discuss how we will handle the two-lynch rule. How can we get our two main suspects to the top of the votes? And who should those two people be?

[Zepher]

The Pills (As The Cultist and the Snake Charmer did not pick pills, they have been assigned random ones and will receive 2 penalty votes tomorrow. I said pills were mandatory.)

1) Hunter’s Pill (Waterbrick Down)

2) Light saber Pill (Adam)

3) Big Red Science Pill (LegoDad)

4) Infectious Pill (Kadabra)

5) Magical Pill (Rufus)

6) Cursed Pill (PirateDave84)

7) Alto Pill Cultist

8) Pill of Valhalla (KielDaMan)

9) Riot Pill (Bob)

10) Mystery Pill (Snake Charmer)

11) Mystical Pill (fhommes)

12) Bobblyhead Pill (TrumpetKing)

13) Old Fashion Pill (Clanure)

14) Rum (jamesn)

15) A Pearl (mostlytechnic)

16) Deep Space Pill (Purpearljellyblob)

17) The Royalty Pill (Esurient)

18) Fairy Tale Pill (Hinckley)

19) Pill from the Dickhead Galaxy (Tamamono)

20) Pill from the ZubZub System (CallMePie)

Votes:

The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 1 (Hinckley)

There are 24 hours left in the day.

[Hinckley]

Here's where the votes stand:

The Female Lover (Hinckley): 1 vote (Rufus)

The Blacked-Out Night Action Dude (Bob): 1 vote (fhomess)

The Jester (CallMePie): 1 vote (Tamamono)

The Cultist (Fred Daniel Yam): 5 votes (TrumpetKing, PirateDave84, LEGODad, Bob, Hinckley, Clanure)

The Male Lover (LEGODad): 2 votes (jamesn, fhomess)

The Witch (Waterbrick Down): 1 vote (CallMePie)

Well, you did earlier... and I seem to recall that in Jedi Temple, we weren't strict with it this way.

Yeah? Well, no more Mr. Nice Guy. Is this Jedi Temple? Keeping it strict keeps the communication clear. That's what we need: clarity. So, thanks for indulging my control freak.

Found the Town JOAT. Anyone else want to claim to be the Town JOAT?

Now I understand why I was having trouble understanding what both sides had. This formatting, Wolfy.

The Night Actions

Town and Scum have NEARLY IDENTICAL ROLES with only a few tweaks to change for their sides.

• JOAT - (Town: Investigator / Protector) (Scum: Protector / 2-shot Framer / 1-shot Janitor)
  
• Role Cop
  
• Killer
  
• Blocker
  
• Inventor - Can invent a net (blocker), shield (protector), magnifying glass (investigation), or pistol (kill action). Bulletproof. Inscrutable (all investigation attempts including role cop will come up as "unsuccessful"). The inventor may either gift his invention, or create a new one, he may not do both on the same night.
  
• Universal Back-Up

The inventor has to spend one Night making the invention and handing it out the next? So, no inventions could've been given last night. In the long run, if we keep the right people protected, the Town could have two investigations a night and three every other night. It'd be nice to try and coordinate that. I'm talking to Mr. JOAT, so we're at least halfway to the two-people a Night blanket.

Also, is there any danger to revealing who took the Downers? It'd be nice to know where those are so Vanilla Townies can take them and keep our Night Actions clear. I'd rather have the Scum know them, than for our Power Roles to be inadvertently blocked.

[Zepher]

The residents of Mafia Land line up to get their second batch of pills.

"I get it, we can use them for strategy stuff!" says the first day lynch.

"Exactly!" Dr. Pill explains.

Meanwhile the Talking Animal flirts with Dr. Pill's Horse.

"Come here often?" he asks. Sadly, it is just a normal non-talking horse, so it has no response.

Elsewhere, the Sci-Fi character finally get some work done on their facade. The Cultist and Cult Leader attempt to get the Virgin to join their crew.

"You're exactly the sort of person we're looking for," says the Cult Leader.

"..." says the Cultist.

"You know, compared to your descriptions on the first page, you're kind of the other way around," the Virgin remarks.

[Hinckley]

The Fairy Tale Pill is a lifesaver pill.

[Piratedave84]

The Fairy Tale Pill is a lifesaver pill.

This corroborates the Witch's claim; good! Now we need to ensure the pills stay in Town hands!

[Purpearljellyblob]

Personally, I don't believe in the whole fake vote concept, it's way too easy for the scum to test out their targets and to see if their targets generate support from the Town. I believe the only way to make the scum nervous is to post a real vote. Not as a poke or test but as a decisive vote. No offense Female Lover, I appreciate what you are trying to do here, but scum could easily use this to their advantage.

Perhaps we should look at those people who had 1 fake vote, and who fake voted for them.

It's fake after all. Right?

The Cultist certainly hasn't been around today despite being online. Panicking? Or given up? Both doesn't seem Town to me.

I also 'love' how The Doctor decides to set the standard to determine who's active or not. Who knows, he could be scum at the front trying to act all townie tommie, suspicious of everyone (including his scum buddies) so no one would possibly suspect he is scum. The Doctor is so helpful, analysing posts, talking to people, surely he's not scum. Who knows?

@The Doctor - Are you defending The Witch?

[Piratedave84]

I also 'love' how The Doctor decides to set the standard to determine who's active or not. Who knows, he could be scum at the front trying to act all townie tommie, suspicious of everyone (including his scum buddies) so no one would possibly suspect he is scum. The Doctor is so helpful, analysing posts, talking to people, surely he's not scum. Who knows?

@The Doctor - Are you defending The Witch?

Firstly; the first time you speak up (with pertinence) is when called out by Female Lover ... how convenient.

Secondly; Would I really be so bold as to come out in front, make all these allegations, gather flak, get accused, accumulate votes, produce analysis, incite discussion, etc. if I was scum? Would I scrutinize my own team and encourage people to look at their behaviour, of course I would!

Quite stupid that would be!

Thirdly: No, I was saying that the pill result validates the Witch's story; go read it, you may understand what I am referring to!

[Rufus]

Found the Town JOAT. Anyone else want to claim to be the Town JOAT?

If you are the town JOAT, and haven't claimed, please be careful. Not saying Hinck is scum - I'm coming round to idea that he might be town - but to my knowledge he hasn't been confirmed yet, and it would be the easiest thing in the world to say this in order to draw out the town power roles if he is scum. Claim to someone you trust!

I would hope that the town JOAT has investigated someone and therefore knows whom to trust. I sincerely hope that that is Hinckley.

Also, is there any danger to revealing who took the Downers? It'd be nice to know where those are so Vanilla Townies can take them and keep our Night Actions clear. I'd rather have the Scum know them, than for our Power Roles to be inadvertently blocked.

There are pros and cons to this idea - if we keep them quiet, there's a chance the scum will pick one. Still, they will know much faster than we will what the pills do. It might be a good idea, but let's not rush into it without thinking about it first.

[Hinckley]

If you are the town JOAT, and haven't claimed, please be careful. Not saying Hinck is scum - I'm coming round to idea that he might be town - but to my knowledge he hasn't been confirmed yet, and it would be the easiest thing in the world to say this in order to draw out the town power roles if he is scum. Claim to someone you trust!

I think I said this amply when I was asking for another vig claim, and of course the same thing applies here because, as I've just told the JOAT, I have not been confirmed. So, The Cult Leader is right. Be very careful. I know why the JOAT claimed to me and it makes sense with other things that were happening, but this is by no means a call to have every PR come claim to me. And just to make sure it's clear, if there is a Town JOAT out there and the one claiming to me is lying, let someone you trust know that can hopefully bring the info out in thread.

There are pros and cons to this idea - if we keep them quiet, there's a chance the scum will pick one. Still, they will know much faster than we will what the pills do. It might be a good idea, but let's not rush into it without thinking about it first.

I already said that. I'd rather they know not to pick it then for a Townie PR to get it. They learn the content of six pills a day. Let's take what advantages we can. Any tracking who selected what?

[Rufus]

I already said that. I'd rather they know not to pick it then for a Townie PR to get it. They learn the content of six pills a day. Let's take what advantages we can. Any tracking who selected what?

I am keeping a record. Aren't you?