Adam Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Stump, why did you choose the two lynch rule? Snake Charmer, why did you choose the 75% conviction rule? When you both could have chosen: 5 random players getting votes with double the weight. (gone when there are only 10 players left) 5 random players getting no vote. (gone when there are only 10 players left) Why the difficult lynches instead of the double or no-votes. God pill also makes the person bulletproof and unlynchable the next day. We can't lynch Snake Charmer today and The Stump was unlynchable yesterday. Who was voting for The Stump? Wasn't the Godfather trying to make a case against him all day? Judging by what The Snake Charmer and The Stump decided to do with The God Pill, I would assume they're both Scum. Now, who has that pistol again... I figured that the random rules were too risky in that they could potentially give the scum more power or nerf town power. The lynch is the town's best weapon, so I didn't want to destroy that with the 3/4 rule. I figured that if we pulled together on the two lynch rule, we had a better chance of getting a scum. It worked out, too: we used one lynch on someone who would get mod-killed and the other on a scum. Correction: the God pill made me unlynchable the day that I took it. So I couldn't be lynched or killed on night one, and the Snake Charmer (DarthPotato) couldn't be lynched or killed yesterday/last night. If we were both scum, then wouldn't I have told my scum group about how the Mystery Pill is the God pill? If you remember, there were two people that didn't pick pills yesterday and two pills that hadn't been chosen. One of those pills was the Mystery Pill, and the two people were the Snake Charmer and the Cultist. The Werewolf randomly assigned those two pills to the two remaining players. The scum would never have let the God pill be randomly given to a townie (the Cultist).
mostlytechnic Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Stump, why did you choose the two lynch rule? Snake Charmer, why did you choose the 75% conviction rule? When you both could have chosen: 5 random players getting votes with double the weight. (gone when there are only 10 players left) 5 random players getting no vote. (gone when there are only 10 players left) Why the difficult lynches instead of the double or no-votes. God pill also makes the person bulletproof and unlynchable the next day. We can't lynch Snake Charmer today and The Stump was unlynchable yesterday. Who was voting for The Stump? Wasn't the Godfather trying to make a case against him all day? Judging by what The Snake Charmer and The Stump decided to do with The God Pill, I would assume they're both Scum. Now, who has that pistol again... For those lazy or dumb, this means the Mystery is the god pill. I agree - the double lynch for day 2 was VERY scummy. At that stage, with almost no info to base on, the odds of getting two scum with that is terribly low. That should have been saved for later when we knew who was who. The 75% rule choice is sorta scummy, but not as much as the double. Not sure I buy your snake story there about wanting to "work together more" - I think it's more likely to be a no lynch day and is a scum-leaning rule choice.
DarthPotato Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 If we were both scum, then wouldn't I have told my scum group about how the Mystery Pill is the God pill? If you remember, there were two people that didn't pick pills yesterday and two pills that hadn't been chosen. One of those pills was the Mystery Pill, and the two people were the Snake Charmer and the Cultist. The Werewolf randomly assigned those two pills to the two remaining players. The scum would never have let the God pill be randomly given to a townie (the Cultist). And then, with that, there's no proof at all that I'm scum because I got the Pill. If a group of people kept taking it for today and future days it would make sense, but we never got the chance to see that anyway.
mostlytechnic Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 If we were both scum, then wouldn't I have told my scum group about how the Mystery Pill is the God pill? If you remember, there were two people that didn't pick pills yesterday and two pills that hadn't been chosen. One of those pills was the Mystery Pill, and the two people were the Snake Charmer and the Cultist. The Werewolf randomly assigned those two pills to the two remaining players. The scum would never have let the God pill be randomly given to a townie (the Cultist). I'll grant, this is a good defense. Still disagree with your choice in picking it early, but I hadn't checked on who picked when.
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 And did you encourage us to work together? Did you work together with us yesterday? Did you vote?
Tamamono Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 The two lynch one was a town move. Tree Stump's probably town. Out of all the things Hinck mentioned, that's the one I'd choose tbh.
DarthPotato Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 The 75% rule choice is sorta scummy, but not as much as the double. Not sure I buy your snake story there about wanting to "work together more" - I think it's more likely to be a no lynch day and is a scum-leaning rule choice. If we can all come together and see who doesn't want to vote and give up with a no-lynch or split the vote, then it can help us. It can still allow us to look into the votes.
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 I took a look at WHEN some pills were taken on day 2. Male Lover grabbed his very quickly - this has to be weighed with the fact that we don't know when the pill cart is coming, so there's distinct luck in what pills are available to you - but it would support the possibility that he was taking a pill that he knew the effect of, which would make Cult Leader scum. If he was just going down the list for an unknown pill, they shouldn't have known the effect of the Hunter pill (pill #1) since the virgin took it day 1. With this, I can support a lynch vote on Cult Leader. This. Yes. Very much. Cult Leader, did you have any contact with The Male Lover about the nature of the pill the two of you took? It is very interesting that he picked it when he pretty much had his fair share of choices and was likely to know what six of the pills did. Maybe it was a pill The Scum wanted to keep out of the Town's hands?
DarthPotato Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 And did you encourage us to work together? Did you work together with us yesterday? Did you vote? That's why the God Pill could help us with that. And I tried my best by working together with you all yesterday by adding in my suspicions to the Cultist and voting for him.
Adam Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 And did you encourage us to work together? Did you work together with us yesterday? Did you vote? I did vote. Read the rest of my post. There is more to this than the rules we chose (or rather, what I chose, if what the Snake Charmer says about being randomly assigned his rule is true).
mostlytechnic Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 The two lynch one was a town move. Tree Stump's probably town. Out of all the things Hinck mentioned, that's the one I'd choose tbh. IMHO, the 2 lynch choice would be town LATER THAN DAY 2. When whe had some info to base votes on better, and were working together more. I think we got lucky that Male got suspicious and that cultist quit - otherwise we could easily have voted out 2 town. In Aperture I don't think we lynched a scum till like day 5! Picking it early means the odds are in favor of town getting lynched and probably 2 town at that.
DarthPotato Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 I did vote. Read the rest of my post. There is more to this than the rules we chose (or rather, what I chose, if what the Snake Charmer says about being randomly assigned his rule is true). The Pill was randomly assigned to me, not the rule choice.
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 That's why the God Pill could help us with that. And I tried my best by working together with you all yesterday by adding in my suspicions to the Cultist and voting for him. Is that helpful, though? If you knew there would be two lynches and chose it so we'd work so hard, why didn't you lead us towards a second candidate? Why go for the one that had quit and was going to be killed anyway. And is your defense really "But I helped you lynch a Townie!" Scum. Scum bucket. Scum. You. Scum. Period. I did vote. Read the rest of my post. There is more to this than the rules we chose (or rather, what I chose, if what the Snake Charmer says about being randomly assigned his rule is true). The Pill was randomly assigned to me, not the rule choice. Squirming Scummies.
Tamamono Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 There are still a lot of people who haven't outed their pills yet. Come on, people, tell us what all your pills have done!
DarthPotato Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Is that helpful, though? If you knew there would be two lynches and chose it so we'd work so hard, why didn't you lead us towards a second candidate? Why go for the one that had quit and was going to be killed anyway. And is your defense really "But I helped you lynch a Townie!" Just because I voted for a Townie doesn't mean I'm unhelpful, votes don't decide everything. Votes for Townies can, in my mind, help you as much as votes for scum. I pushed for the Cultist vote because I thought he was scummy, not because I thought he was Townie.
mostlytechnic Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Looking at other pills... Day 2 stump picked the light saber, which is a placebo according to Serious Roleplayer. So IF stump is scum, then roleplayer would be town since they wouldn't waste a choice on a placebo. IF snake is scum, then the pill he took on day 1 was taken by Cult LEader on day 2. That would mean that the magical pill is something good (and I've been suspicous of CL due to his day 1 pill being taken by Male on day 2)
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Just because I voted for a Townie doesn't mean I'm unhelpful, votes don't decide everything. Votes for Townies can, in my mind, help you as much as votes for scum. I pushed for the Cultist vote because I thought he was scummy, not because I thought he was Townie. Oh, ooops. And it wasn't you who chose the two lynch rule. My mistake. Sorry about that. Scum suck! Cult Leader? Hello, Cult Leader? Are you there? Hello?
mostlytechnic Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Compiling other pill knowledge: Insanity, Old Fashioned, Paradise, and ZubZub can't be lifesavers since they were being held by people who got killed.
mostlytechnic Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 posted earlier that both pearl and dickhead are placebos.
Tamamono Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Ah, sorry, must have missed that with all the activity.
Rufus Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Well, we have an inventor handing out guns. They can't block the killer and the JOAT, so we know one will work and we already know someone with a pistol...well, I do anyway. What the megabluck is a 'town' inventor doing handing out guns?? Your inventor is scum, and I have a very strong feeling you know it. Why aren't you investigating, and then lynching based on the results, or building a confirmed town block? Why isn't the inventor making protection, blocking, or magnifying glasses? Guns are highly irresponsible for town but a serious advantage for scum. You even told me you were trying to persuade the vig not to kill last night, and I agreed that was the safe option. Then why on earth are they handing out guns? I have serious misgivings about this whole plan. Great, we can protect a power role, but whose power role? How do we know it isn't a scum who is taking the pill? The Big Red Science Pill was a lifesaver. I have no choice but to reveal this now. I told Hinckley immediately before his great 'idea', but he seemed rather reluctant to read the PM. I took Potato's Magical Pill because I thought he was scum, and hoped to learn something from it - I didn't, it was a placebo. I have no control over who takes the pill after me. Now, I have no evidence about Hinckley being scum beyond suspicion. But I can say one thing with certainty - his 'inventor' is scum - and if he's town I cannot believe he hasn't questioned this. Think about it - the vig claims, he tells us all. The JOAT claims, he tells us all. Not the inventor - he's sure of them. Why am I certain his inventor is scum? Because I am the Town Inventor. Deal with it. I'm going to bed.
Tamamono Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 I have serious misgivings about this whole plan. Great, we can protect a power role, but whose power role? How do we know it isn't a scum who is taking the pill? Unless the JOAT and vig are both scum, town will be getting protection pills. One should get the Fairy Tale pill, one the Mystery pill. And even if his JOAT/vig are scum, once they claim in-thread as PR, the real PRs will reveal themselves. It's a great plan and pretty much waterproof. Scum is getting lynched no matter what happens. The Big Red Science Pill was a lifesaver. I have no choice but to reveal this now. I told Hinckley immediately before his great 'idea', but he seemed rather reluctant to read the PM. I took Potato's Magical Pill because I thought he was scum, and hoped to learn something from it - I didn't, it was a placebo. I have no control over who takes the pill after me. This is unfortunate. Now, I have no evidence about Hinckley being scum beyond suspicion. But I can say one thing with certainty - his 'inventor' is scum - and if he's town I cannot believe he hasn't questioned this. Think about it - the vig claims, he tells us all. The JOAT claims, he tells us all. Not the inventor - he's sure of them. Why am I certain his inventor is scum? Because I am the Town Inventor. Deal with it. I'm going to bed. The info that the inventor was handing out guns came through me (unless he's been talking to the inventor himself). I'm in contact with someone who's received a gun from the inventor, and told Hinckley this. I'm pretty sure it's not "his inventor". If it's not you, then that makes this even more interesting. Let's see how this turns out.
Hinckley Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 What the megabluck is a 'town' inventor doing handing out guns?? Your inventor is scum, and I have a very strong feeling you know it. Why aren't you investigating, and then lynching based on the results, or building a confirmed town block? Why isn't the inventor making protection, blocking, or magnifying glasses? Guns are highly irresponsible for town but a serious advantage for scum. You even told me you were trying to persuade the vig not to kill last night, and I agreed that was the safe option. Then why on earth are they handing out guns? Do I have control over what they're inventing? I have serious misgivings about this whole plan. Great, we can protect a power role, but whose power role? How do we know it isn't a scum who is taking the pill? Well, we would have a vig counterclaim by now and I'm pretty damn sure we have the Town JOAT although I won't say why. The Big Red Science Pill was a lifesaver. I have no choice but to reveal this now. I told Hinckley immediately before his great 'idea', but he seemed rather reluctant to read the PM. I took Potato's Magical Pill because I thought he was scum, and hoped to learn something from it - I didn't, it was a placebo. I have no control over who takes the pill after me. Yes, you had a choice. Why are you spazzing? Now, I have no evidence about Hinckley being scum beyond suspicion. But I can say one thing with certainty - his 'inventor' is scum - and if he's town I cannot believe he hasn't questioned this. Think about it - the vig claims, he tells us all. The JOAT claims, he tells us all. Not the inventor - he's sure of them. Why am I certain his inventor is scum? Because I am the Town Inventor. Deal with it. I'm going to bed. That was childish and unnecessary. Why would you not say this in private? And it is weird that you had the unkillable pill and The Male Lover jumped on it immediately on Day Two and you told nobody. Did you even talk to him about it? Someone told me at the beginning of the Day that they knew someone who had been given a pistol. Did I say I knew of a Town Inventor? Absolutely not. But somebody does. I will know go to the person who told me they knew the person who received a pistol and we'll pull that person out. The info that the inventor was handing out guns came through me (unless he's been talking to the inventor himself). I'm in contact with someone who's received a gun from the inventor, and told Hinckley this. I'm pretty sure it's not "his inventor". Thank you. Cult Leader, go take a nap.
Tamamono Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Rufus, what item did you make, and who'd you give it to?
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