DarthPotato Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Thanks for hosting, Zepher! It wasn't one of my best played games but I still think I did alright and I thought everyone on both sides played well. Honestly, I was really surprised at how often the tables turned during this game. It really could have gone either way, so I think that's a good sign. I had no idea what to think of the pill cart before the game started, but when things got going I thought it was an interesting way to change things up from the average game. Again, thanks for hosting, I had a lot of fun!
fhomess Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Fhomess, were you planning on our unvoting at the last moment, because if so, that has got to be one of the most strategic plays I've seen in a long time. I wasn't quite sure what would happen but figured it would cause some sort of ripple if anyone got on. My main goal was to take Esurient out as the third lynch by being tied with PGO (3-1-1). My fear was that you would switch a vote to Rufus and make it 2-1-1-1, leaving just you alive. Esurient's unvote wasn't something I expected, but I deliberately waited until very late so that whatever reaction happened, there wouldn't be much time to think it through.
Zepher Posted June 19, 2013 Author Posted June 19, 2013 Day Notes They kind of died out when you guys stopped doing much. I'll have responses up about the game soon. A lot of your complaints are the same as mine. There were too many judgement calls in this game for my taste. I don't go against the calls I made, I just wish I hadn't needed to make them. More on that in a few hours. Day One Quietest Day One ever. Not even much to write about. Hopefully the introduction of the pills will get them talking – I hope that one of the inventors gets an upper so that those can come into play sooner, currently they’re a very slow “warm-up” period of a skill. I like everyone’s confusion over the plot/setting. Can’t tell if its genuine or just role-play, but I like it either way. Hinckley mentioned the no dick rule, will have to explain to him afterwards that I thought about including it, but I was afraid doing so would be restricting/potentially encourage dickishness. Everyone has been friendly and well behaved so far. I am confused by Piratedave’s posts with their lack of punctuation and capital letters. It may be a ploy, or he may be foreign, or he may just be typing quickly and not paying attention, who knows? In the first hour of pills or so everyone has picked a placebo, but I think they’re all none power roles too, which means that the chances of a power role getting a real pill are getting higher… also, wonder where Adam is, hope I don’t have to boot the Treestump, could be the best character in the whole game! Still not a whole lot of talking. Hopefully voting will up the output, especially with the threat of a death no matter what. I wish I could post the interlude right now, but sadly I have to head out to work. I like this interlude, but I guess it will have to wait until tomorrow morning. Pills going out now. Too bad work keeps interfering with the time frame. Not too happy about that, this was probably the worst weekend to start a Mafia game. The one unvote rule is causing at least some conversation. All the scum have been accused at this point already, I think, which isn’t great for them, but they could easily try to be accused and then fly under, that’s always a good scum technique. Everyone whined about the pills, but I just typed out so many placebo PMs. Rufus, who is already protected from night kills, got a lifesaver. Thought that was petty funny. Fhommes, the town blocker, got a downer pill, so that should be interesting too and also gives the scum a little leg up, which they may need if one of their own is lynched today. The SK (Esurient) has also already garnered finger pointing. Wonder who they’ll kill? WBD is also protected from killings tonight, which means that the scum have already discovered one lifesaver. I wonder if they’ll pass it around, or if they’ll think that’s too suspicious. I haven’t checked their writeboard in a while. So happy our quiet Treestump got the God Pill. Maybe the pills will get some conversation going? The day is still very slow. The scum have got to stop defending themselves so outright, especially TrumpetKing defending the snake charmer. Kadabra and WBD are playing it cool, at least. Would be surprised if anyone other than Trumpet or Darth got voted off today, though for whatever reason Walter Kovacs has received the most votes. Still lots of votes to be placed, wonder what everyone is waiting for. Why is Tammo backing off? Maybe just being nice? Tammo could really be a good player this game, excited to see what he gets himself into. The thread is being viewed by a ton of people, could be quite a few posts now. Night One Interesting night. The JOAT found the killer’s alligence, that could be really powerful for the town if the JOAT tells Bob that he knows he’s town… of course, Bob would have to trust him back, but even so. The kill on WBD was a good choice too, but Bob probably won’t think of retargeting him, because I doubt he’ll think of the lifesaver. I feel like a lot of people didn’t really pay much attention to the rules for some reason. Kristel’s death gets rid of one of the Uppers, so, that’s that. def is out of the picture as well (so sad, I wanted to see what he did in a chill game) and Tammo has passed on the role cop action, which I guess might be smart, but handicaps the town seriously. Day Two Rufus and Hinck are in a cat fight over nothing. Bob should be paying more attention and defending himself – losing him at this point would be very bad for the town, losing two power roles in two day is bad bad bad. I think ALL the scum came under suspicion yesterday, and today suddenly none of them are being discussed at all. They were very vocally supporting each other too, but the Cultist/BONAD/Hinck/Rufus are really distracting from that. Also, why in the WORLD did Bob claim to Hinck… I mean, he’s a town, which is good, but still, why? And now of course Hinckley doesn’t trust him… Because why would he do that? Also, clearly for future games, a watcher is necessary, scares people out of targeting the same person too much/targeting prominent members of the town. Bob, why did you go and do that? Clearly Hinck was verifying the Witch’s claim. You would have known everything in just a few hours. I mean… you happen to be right about the witch, but even so, you don’t know that. Kadabra protected the Witch too quickly too, throwing out the possibility of a pill as if he already knew… but then again, a smart townie would know it was likely too (props to technic for noticing that has the highest probability too). Kadabra is playing a pretty believable/good game besides that, and is very much willing to call out his own team publically for stupid statements. The scum in this game seem strangely chummy, but Kadabra and WBD have been pretty good at not running with the pack. Another day wrapped: why oh why, scum, do you continue to be so openly teamy?! The smartest thing to do tonight for the scum would be to frame Hinckley and janitor LegoDad. That would confuse and panic the town. With the janitor role used, they wouldn’t think that a frame could be used too. Of course, they may think of the upper, but it’s a long shot… The night could quite possibly pass with no kills, as those who might be targeted will totally be under protection or have a lifesaver. The Serial Killer might be able to sneak one in, but only if he goes after someone with not much going on. Also, funny that everyone complained about too many “power pills”: there is only one of each left now. Day 3 Okay, town is in the right direction, but needs to get their stuff together a little. Hinckley is angry that I killed off the Cultist if he dropped out of the game… where did he think I was going to get an alternate from? We almost didn’t have enough players… aka, we DIDN’T have enough players to begin with, and I’d already asked for an alternate. Tammo is pointing his finger at the right person, but Hinck’s being all huffy about it. Wonder why? I wonder if Tammo is getting into contact with Hinck or Bob, now that he’s the JOAT. Hinck proposes to out both the JOAT and vig… why? How does he know there are two unkillable pills left? There aren’t… and the JOAT could in theory just keep the vig alive every day he doesn’t take a pill, and investigate every other day… by why out any roles? I think if they out everyone, the scum just won’t counterclaim, and then… the PRs for the town will just be gone. Tammo also knows they lost their role cop, wonder if he’s shared that. Watchers not being included was dumb, there is no fear for the scum to target people. Will have to fix that next game, would have been a good role. Wonder why no one is worried about the SK, both sides need to kill him to win… but no one has brought him up. ALSO, the SK should be trying to get the scum this time around. Also, this 3/4th number was too high and dumb, bad choice on my part. But they can still get the lynch. Do they really think the scum won’t vote with them? Don’t they think that the scum would know not voting would obviously out them for every day beyond today. Also, I was hoping they’d consider doing this with the pills. Very smart. Hinckley clearly had the God Pill quoted to him… thought I said no quoting, but I guess I never mentioned in PM. Boo. Also, someone misinformed him about the God Pill. It makes the person unlynchable the day they take it, not the day after. I’m very happy I included the pills. I wanted people to analysis things in thread and not only rely on night actions, and that’s exactly what’s going on. Perfect! Rufus just outed himself! The inventors were the ones I was most interested in getting outed! If the scum inventor had outed himself first… there is no way for them to be investigated, or killed, so people may have claimed to them. That’s what I would have done if I was scum in this game. I wonder if people will claim to Rufus, or lynch him? I’m excited by my own game. I think there’s a lot of thinking. I like the open game format. I hope everyone is having fun. Here come the pills. My weekends are so busy, if I could figure out how to have the nights land on them always, that’d be great, but it’s a 4-5 day cycle, so that can’t happen. Woop, what is Darth Potato doing?! Wow, another interesting development. This is really Darth taking one for the team, I wonder what will happen tonight. I’m actually kind of intrigued by this development. This could be a game changer either direction. Wonder why he didn’t snag the God Pill? That would have cost the town a day, which would have been really tough on them, and the Scum would have known exactly who to kill because they would have known who was unprotected… Why is Hinckley still complaining about this “unlynchable” situation? He himself very accurately pointed out why its not an “unlynchable” situation. Obviously the scum MUST act with the town. They can still lynch someone easily. And no, one of the God actions DOESN’T make a lynch of a scum impossible. In this certain case, it does if the scum out themselves entirely, but if they had lost one less townie by playing the game smarter up until this point, this wouldn’t be bad for them. Hinckley, why must you whine about things you can do well at! You’re winning this game and using the system to your advantage, why are you having problems with it? Oh, there’s Hinckley realizing that he can totally still lynch. Maybe someone else pointed out earlier that scum wouldn’t vote stupidly. Tammo has high hopes.. but he’s not thinking about the Inventor, who is essentially untrackable, and the SK, who the town can’t find now without a Role Cop (which he knows they don’t have). This is fun! I should probably go read the scum board, haven’t read it all day. Wow, holy shit, they talked a lot today, time to do some reading… Well, Hinckley lied about knowing that DP was anti-town, that’s interesting. He was never investigated… weird stuff. It did give them a whole issue with claiming him as inventor or not… but I think they ended up claiming him inventor, which is actually really good for them. If they can keep that pistol unused long enough, they could win by killing a crap load in one night. Could be interesting. Apparently they know Esurient is the SK too... interesting that, wonder what it means for both him and them. SCUM, STOP TRYING TO PROTECT EACH OTHER IN THREAD. Protecting ANY one else is weird. Even accusing people is weird. Scum should straight up never ever interact in thread, unless for calling each other out on obviously strange things. Follow WBD’s lead, he never obviously supports or accuses any member of the scum team. TrumpetKing, WHY?! I saw you discussing it in the Scum discussion board, but WHY CLAIM?! The best that could happen is that someone counterclaims, and then you both lose a role cop. Never good for the scum, equal trades. Also, why isn’t town lynching Potato and vigging Trumpet? That makes more sense with the pills they have, unless they’re trying to save the life saver? Anyway, Trumpet, you shouldn’t have claimed to them. You may have been found out, but it would have been way later. And why did you admit to not having the gun?! They wouldn’t have been worried about it if they thought you had it. Why why why? Kadabra, don’t act so indignant when accused. That’s exactly what scum does – clings to one person accusing them, and then that’s it. You should quietly address it once, and then if they bring it up again don’t say anything about it. Also, Purpearl, WBD, even NPC, I gotta say I’m a little disappointed in them right now. Why are they NOT playing the game? This scum team could have been very good in this set up, and could even be redeemed, but they’re randomly being so lazy all of a sudden… I’m sort of sad to see the game go so quickly just because they couldn’t be bothered to pretend to be at least middle of the road. Also, why don’t they know that Bob is the Vig? It’s pretty damn obvious. They really think that the vig randomly claimed to Bob on the first night? Why would he ever do that? The only other possible explanation is the Bob is the JOAT… Night Three Could have been a very different night if Bob had changed his action to WBD, who was protected. Day Four The scum are going all in, and I love it. At least its an interesting game. The town should be worried about the SK too, the closer the game gets, the closer to a potential win the SK gets, and they HAVE to lynch the SK… a fact that they should know. I’m still confused as to the scum kills last night (should have just nailed Tammo, would have been in a much better position today) but oh well. Still wonder what would have happened if the scum had flown under the radar better, or used the game structure to their advantage (SO ANGRY TRUMPET FELL FOR THAT TRAP, and equally angry Purpearl never tried to claim town inventor early on, because there’d be NO WAY to verify either claim other than a lynch – he could have started an “opposing town block”, and maybe even drummed up a few actions. Also, still sort of confused as to how Esurient and the scum got connected – wonder if the scum will offer up the SK as a way of buying another day, but still, so interesting. Gotta love that God Pill. Hell, I don’t even know if this is strictly mafia anymore, but I’m having a blast. I really hope everyone else is having fun. I wonder if def is purposely keeping me out of the deadboard, I hope not. I wonder if they’re all complaining there. What universe do these people play in where penalty votes are carried over? Also, would have been interesting for the scum to have purpearl take the god pill yesterday, and then take nothing today (maybe even the downer), but claim to be something other than the inventor. The town probably would have allowed her to live until night, hoping to vig her. That could have saved the scum a day. Would have been interesting. The town is right though: not making voting mandatory was idiotic. Live and learn, I guess. I think the way I handled the Universal back-up was unfair too – should have formatted my message to Trumpet the same way “you have lost you _____, would you like to fill that spot?” Then he may have known that the town might know what power roles they lost. Also, confused by Bob outing himself… Still relatively disappointed the scum didn’t try to fly under the radar better for at least a while, still relatively sure a little more activity and use of the set up could have really aided them, but still interested in the game and to see what happens. Voting time! Bob and Tammo are really playing the SK well. I don’t know what Esur should do. The scum can, of course, equally threaten to out him if he doesn’t vote alongside them. I think it would be smartest for the SK to vote with scum? Probably? If they lynch a townie today, and kill another tonight, and the vig can’t kill any of them, and the SK and scum killer score hits… that would be 4 town tomorrow v. 1 SK v. 2 scum. That’s still a game for the SK, at least. Assuming it votes with the town today, PGO live until tomorrow… that would be a 7 town – 1 Sk -1 scum. That’s not winnable for the SK. I think it would be smartest to throw in with the scum, but even so, it is a gamble. I don’t understand why the town thinks that logically the SK should side with them, particularly when apparently two people have contacted the SK and told them that they KNOW he’s the SK. What was the gambit in that?! Clearly if the SKs already outed, it won’t mind outing itself, which the town is arguing against. Perhaps they wanted to lord it against the SK and forgot their strategy? This game is still really anyone’s. If Tammo and Potato get lynched today, that will be 6-1-2 (and, side note: Tammo, a dignified effort is not trying to figure out how to bend the rules so you survive, its figuring out how to allow your team to continue once your dead). Tomorrow will automatically be a ¾ lynch. If the SK or the scum killer kill Bob, who randomly outed himself as the vig (they should concentrate fire since they have been threatened with being blocked) and Pupearl gets out an invention… tomorrow would be 5-1-2, no lynch scenario with purpearl and SK unkillable at night, and the scum with an invention and kill action… town got too cocky. Randomly outing themselves. Why’d you do that, Bob?!
TrumpetKing Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 I've already over-discussed my stupid claim in the deadboard and to Tammo. The more I look back at it I feel stupid for doing it as it was WAY too convenient. I probably wouldn't have done it if I hadn't been given the role cop ability. I hate claiming while lying. However, my goal was to play a strong game and to take risks, and even though it probably wasn't smart to do as scum, I feel like I really accomplished my goals and feel like I have improved a lot. It's amazing to see how far I've came. I wanted to be a strong player, and Hinckley's advice has really helped me on my way, and I feel like I'm almost there. I decided to take a risk, and it's my own fault for not being careful, but I accomplished my goals. So overall, am I embarrassed? Yes. Ashamed? No. The consequences that followed were my own fault, and I feel like I accomplished what I wanted to. As for the gun, I didn't think that mattered. They didn't believe me anyways, it seemed.
DarthPotato Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Huh, Hinckley lied about me coming up Anti-Town? That's interesting... I probably would have replied the same way either way though. Anyway, I still sort of liked how this game had some options that remained up to chance. Obviously all games shouldn't be like that, but I think it's refreshing to have new types of games like this come up every once and a while. Without the Pill Cart I don't think our team would have done as well, but I think we did well utilizing it and using it to our advantage.
TrumpetKing Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Woops, don't want to lie to the scum! They could be helpful, and I need them to trust us!
Rufus Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Thanks for the game, Zeph! Some C&Cs shortly... Rufus just outed himself! The inventors were the ones I was most interested in getting outed! If the scum inventor had outed himself first… there is no way for them to be investigated, or killed, so people may have claimed to them. That’s what I would have done if I was scum in this game. I wonder if people will claim to Rufus, or lynch him? I actually considered outing myself right at the start of day one. The only reason I didn't was that I hoped to soak up a scum kill. I would have been much more pro-active and 'townie' on day one, with the hope of becoming a night target, but had family commitments which prevented me doing much except accuse Potato. I was surprised that more people didn't agree with me on that. Rufus and Hinck are in a cat fight over nothing. I wasted a lot of time suspecting Hinck. He put all his usual scum-tells into this game - therefore negating them as scum-tells; kudos if that was deliberate. The reason I ended up outing myself was that I was trying very hard in PM to get to Hinck to stop and think before pushing ahead with his plan to out all of the pills, and he wasn't listening. He'd also mentioned another inventor whom I knew must be scum. It was about 1am and I had to go to bed, so I just claimed in thread. As it turned out, I think it was the right thing to do. I liked the open set-up, but I was concerned that the numbers favoured scum (6 scum against 16 town is a bit much, I think). I didn't like the pills - I think they made the game too swingy, and more based on luck than skill (or at least rewarded people able to sit and refresh all day, which I was only able to do on the last day with a pill cart). That the pills so heavily influenced the game was highlighted by the entire scum team outing themselves in order to get the best ones, after which the game lost all intrigue and became a bit of a chore. I'm afraid to say that I won't be signing up to any other game which involves picking pills or meals or macguffins. I'm rather amazed that we won. Fhomess and I were discussing the idea of one of us voting for the SK at the very last moment, in the hopes of achieving a draw, but neither of us were able to guarantee being around at the end of the day. Things certainly took an unexpected twist! Incidentally, Zeph, that it was possible for the game to end in a draw is something you might want to bear in mind for next time - and is a good reason to reduce the number of unkillable players.
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