Silver City Mafia: Day 1 - Once Upon a Time in the West

[Captain Nemo]

Naw, I think I was pretty much on the fence the whole dang time. My first post I said why wait, why not wait? The claim can't be verified at this time, likely never, so there's not a ton we can discuss and decide. Her loyalties will have to be found other ways, like voting records and so forth, like anyone else. During my dancing breaks I did a little diggin' to learn more about the role and found that an immediate claim is a very common way that good people of other towns handled being scapegoats. But like Tony up there said, there's also not much downside to a gutsy scummo claiming either. It's not hugely likely for such claims to be tested via death - considering we don't know if the great and wise Captain Minnow there even turned anyone into a scapegoat. Maybe Sheridan's telling the whole truth like a proper young lady should, and maybe she's a dastardly scheming conniving scummy gang member. There's just no way to know yet and that's why I've been on the fence. If I were a scapegoat, I'd probably have done the same thing. Makes me lean maybe 51% townread on her. That's about all I think we can get from the topic at this point.

I do have to agree with this done statement here. I don't think we should throw out the possiblitiy of her lying about this simply because we see it as something "stupid" for a Coyote to do, I mean it might turn out to be a smart thing for a Coyote to do since we for the majority seem to believe her. But like my rival dancer said, we'll just have to use other methods to make sure she's acting with the town at heart.

On the subjecto of Sheridan, in my drunken haze, done remember something from my old painful time during the War (Done when I lost be eye, me leg, and me balance), that sometimes some people could done be shocked (Er something from above) so much that they could only be speaking in certain ways. It's like a done "Restriction" on her words, and I don't know if it be 100% correct, for I ain't no doctor and you know, I'm drunk and whatnot, but I think it may be the reason I cannot understand her words all the time.

Sorry, I don't know that you are town, even though you said you are, I am not convinced.

I don't see what scum has to benefit by laying all their cards down on the table first thing, first post on Day 1.

Can you point out to me where you find Sheridan's claim and words suspicious? Maybe the town can discuss it through?

1) Well I am town, and I fought for this town, and I bled for this town! I'm sorry you think I beith evil, but I don't have much to say to that other then no, I am one of the Village. And while I know it's day one, and people don't know other people well, I also am no fan of people pickin names out of a hat and sayin their not good. Have I given reasons for people to not trust me? Other then me drinkin?

2) (As stated a bit above in this post) I think the bonus to a scum doing this trick would be; first, we would not be surprised to see scum come up with an investigation (Which it would happen even if she's scapegoat or an actual scum); second, that we as a town would believe her claim as a scapegoat (Which seems to be going that way), she would then be closer to the town and not be suspection. True her truthfulness is not as strong, but the scum getting even some inside person is helpful to them.

3) Like Kane, I see her speakin as more of an overall problem, makin her seem more suspicous then others since she already made a claim and may have more to hide. But I know thing it's something more then just roleplaying as I stated earlier in this post conversation.

[Mencot]

Arrgh, what a hard day in the mines and for what, not the silver no. I need a drink.

Lots of talk, suspicions and accusations but little action, seems like a normal day 1.

You said Tristan is onto you, why is it off to you? Reasons/quotes please.

And Sheridan, why are you defending Michael?

So far Michael has only made these posts,

As far as I am reading Michael's posts, there seemed to be no intentions to scum hunt. All fillers I would say.

Sheridan, of all the 15+ posts you have made, you are mostly defending yourself and posting fillers. You named Tristan as suspicious without much justification and you defended Michael for... (not doing anything).

FYI, the Mayor hasn't appeared to scum hunt. It makes you even more suspicious when you are speaking up for him.

What do you think of Sheridan defending Michael?

But my dear wifey, (it is day 1 and the voting hasn´t even started so some roleplaying is allowed ), it is understandable it seems strange that I would defend other players on day 1 (Sheridan and Esther) but this is what a good loving family father would do.

But then again what to make on day 1 about you other players is hard, I believe what Sheridan (Scubacarrot) says and claims, we will see in the end of the day what to make from it.

[Clanure]

Well, guess this gal knows better than to make a morning of jumping off of barns with umbrellas. It was a hootin' good time y'all but it looks like this was where the action was.

The moral of the story is that valley girls and lynch mobs aren't a good combination.

This was honestly my first reaction to this claim. As I think to the validity of the claim though, I just end up taking a stroll down 'WIFOM' lane. It could absolutely play out both ways and the gutsiness of being claimed in the first post certainly has given us a lot to talk about. I'm going to give the dead horse a rest though and look elsewhere for a while.

I think it's important to keep up communication on the first day without focusing and accusing on every piece of fluff. Question it sure, but don't be afraid to leave it. Some roleplaying is part of the fun. Esther(Esurient), surely you can't try to read something into every comment made?

[jimmynick]

Keep the investigator on her? What purpose could that possibly serve?

Well, not the investigator since she'll turn up scum, but if she's scum, it's more likely than not she has a night action, right? And there are ways of finding out if people have night actions. Do scapegoats ever have night actions (I don't think they do, but I'm not certain)?

[TheBoyWonder]

Jessica, a scapegoat isn't a PR in the sense of a night action. Also, we would have to have a watcher or a tracker target Sheridan.

[jimmynick]

I know, but can someone have a night action and be a scapegoat at the same time? And, yes, my idea does rely on the existence of a watcher or tracker and we don't even know if there is one here.

[Mencot]

I know, but can someone have a night action and be a scapegoat at the same time? And, yes, my idea does rely on the existence of a watcher or tracker and we don't even know if there is one here.

I am pretty new to these games but I don´t think so because he/she is a regular townie supposedly but someone who knows better can answer this better

[Adam]

I know, but can someone have a night action and be a scapegoat at the same time? And, yes, my idea does rely on the existence of a watcher or tracker and we don't even know if there is one here.

Momma, in my experience and research I would have to say no. A scapegoat, or miller if you like, is often put into one of these games of life to confuse a loyal investigator. Giving that person a power role would probably upset the balance too much.

On the subjecto of Sheridan, in my drunken haze, done remember something from my old painful time during the War (Done when I lost be eye, me leg, and me balance), that sometimes some people could done be shocked (Er something from above) so much that they could only be speaking in certain ways. It's like a done "Restriction" on her words, and I don't know if it be 100% correct, for I ain't no doctor and you know, I'm drunk and whatnot, but I think it may be the reason I cannot understand her words all the time.

You raise a good point, one that I had not thought to consider. After doing a bit of research, it seems that Sheridan (Scubacarrot) might be able to avoid her affliction by speaking to us directly (over PM), and I would encourage her to do so if this is the case. Meanwhile, if the accent is merely roleplay, then I would suggest that she tone it down a little.

Before we call this horse truly dead, I'd like to add to a point that Tony made: it initially occurred to me that claiming scapegoat is something that a boring, powerless goon might do, since he or she would have less to lose than another Coyote. Then I got to thinking that even though investigating Sheridan (Scubacarrot) would supposedly be ineffective, a role cop that takes a look at her should be able to declare once and for all whether or not she is a scapegoat, no?

[Mencot]

You raise a good point, one that I had not thought to consider. After doing a bit of research, it seems that Sheridan (Scubacarrot) might be able to avoid her affliction by speaking to us directly (over PM), and I would encourage her to do so if this is the case. Meanwhile, if the accent is merely roleplay, then I would suggest that she tone it down a little.

Hmm actually this could be the case but "Restriction" is a new thing for me, so I don´t know anything about that either.

Before we call this horse truly dead, I'd like to add to a point that Tony made: it initially occurred to me that claiming scapegoat is something that a boring, powerless goon might do, since he or she would have less to lose than another Coyote. Then I got to thinking that even though investigating Sheridan (Scubacarrot) would supposedly be ineffective, a role cop that takes a look at her should be able to declare once and for all whether or not she is a scapegoat, no?

I don´t think he/she would/could do that

[Tamamono]

Wednesday, June 23rd, 1880

Silver City, AZ

Apart from the foolish sheriff's outburst earlier this afternoon, the people of Silver City don't seem at all averse to the idea of sending one of their own to the gallows. In fact, they seem to have already accepted the idea that tomorrow, at least one of the people standing here today will be gone and dead. Very good, I say. The quicker they come to terms with it, the quicker we can stop the murderer.

I feel almost regretful that it had to be this town. It's almost hard to believe that one of these people is a cold-blooded killer. Despite their various vices, the citizens of Silver City are all fairly good company...

As he sits in the room he's renting above the Silver City Saloon, Captain Minnow continues to write in his old journal.

Suddenly, there comes a knock at the door.

"Come in" Captain Minnow calls.

In came little Tristan Kingsley. "Uh, Mr. Army Man, sir, I was wondering if you wanted some food."

"Well, I am hungry" the captain replied. "But aren't you a stableboy? What's a stableboy doing delivering food?

"

"Uhh, yeah... but in an economy like this, you can't have too many jobs, right?

" Tristan answers somewhat nervously

"Well, what do you have there for me?"

"It's... uhh... truffles..."

"Ah, that sounds delicious right about now. I'll definitely have some. Thank you, child!"

...except for that Kingsley boy. Little twit served me horse dung.

Voting is now open. You have 48 hours until Sunset. Please note that voting is not optional.

[Piratedave84]

Before we call this horse truly dead, I'd like to add to a point that Tony made: it initially occurred to me that claiming scapegoat is something that a boring, powerless goon might do, since he or she would have less to lose than another Coyote. Then I got to thinking that even though investigating Sheridan (Scubacarrot) would supposedly be ineffective, a role cop that takes a look at her should be able to declare once and for all whether or not she is a scapegoat, no?

I support this theory/idea; should the role cop be willing, and if we have one, to investgate Sheridan tonight, by tomorrow we will know for sure the role/affiliation of Sheridan.

I don´t think he/she would/could do that

Why not? Scapegoat is a role and the role cop gets a role return upon investigation; why would it not work?

[TheBoyWonder]

I think it'd work. It is a role, so the role cop should work.

There is no reason why it wouldn't work, unless it is counted as an affiliation rather than a role.

[mostlytechnic]

Well, a role cop would probably work to test Sheridan. As could a watcher, see if she has a night action which would indicate scum (of course she could just not use it to pass the test too). However that doesn't mean that we as a town would know since the role cop or watcher couldn't easily announce without revealing themselves too. Still, they would know and could reveal it when appropriate. Just don't go thinking we'd all know on day 2

[Mencot]

I support this theory/idea; should the role cop be willing, and if we have one, to investgate Sheridan tonight, by tomorrow we will know for sure the role/affiliation of Sheridan.

Why not? Scapegoat is a role and the role cop gets a role return upon investigation; why would it not work?

I think it'd work. It is a role, so the role cop should work.

There is no reason why it wouldn't work, unless it is counted as an affiliation rather than a role.

As I said before I don´t know really how this "role" works, I support lets find out but lets remember what Molly said

However that doesn't mean that we as a town would know since the role cop or watcher couldn't easily announce without revealing themselves too. Still, they would know and could reveal it when appropriate. Just don't go thinking we'd all know on day 2

Lets try everything to find those murder/s

[Adam]

Well, a role cop would probably work to test Sheridan. As could a watcher, see if she has a night action which would indicate scum (of course she could just not use it to pass the test too). However that doesn't mean that we as a town would know since the role cop or watcher couldn't easily announce without revealing themselves too. Still, they would know and could reveal it when appropriate. Just don't go thinking we'd all know on day 2

Personally I think that a role cop would be more effective than a watcher, because 1) if Sheridan (Scubacarrot) is in fact a Coyote with a Power Role, she could preempt the watcher tonight and not use her action and 2) my general thinking is that if a Coyote did claim scapegoat, it would more likely be a Coyote goon with less to lose. Besides, wouldn't a watcher be able to tell who (if anyone) had targeted Sheridan, not who she was targeting (if anyone)? Isn't this the role of tracker we are thinking of?

[Mencot]

As long as my lass is safe

[Capt. Redblade]

Hmm actually this could be the case but "Restriction" is a new thing for me, so I don´t know anything about that either.

I don´t think he/she would/could do that

This post is suspicious. Up until now I was willing to pass off your defending Sheridan as clumsy roleplaying, but what makes you so sure a role cop wouldn't want to verify her allegiance for us? It's already been explained that Scapegoat is just another word for Miller, and Miller is a role, so surely there would be no reason for the role cop to sit idle while this question hung over our heads. When I first read this post, it almost seemed like you were trying to discourage the role cop from acting.

As I said before I don´t know really how this "role" works, I support lets find out but lets remember what Molly said

Lets try everything to find those murder/s

As long as my lass is safe

Wow, that's quite an impressive 180° turn in less than an hour. If you don't understand the role, you can always look it up in the ancient Mah-fee-ahs-kum texts. That's really the whole reason they're there. In my past lives, I did just that myself when I didn't understand a role.

Your radical agreement with the town implies that you are now skeptical of your daughter's words. And yet until this point you have been the first to defend her. Again, I'm still willing to accept that you might have been roleplaying a little too hard, but this is the kind of behavioural inconsistency that the elders taught us to watch out for.

Your second post is very fluffy. It's probably more roleplaying, but it reads as very submissive and noncommittal, as if you're saying, "Yeah, okay, do what you want. Ignore me completely. Nothing to see here. La-de-da-de-doo."

Looking back over your other posts this day, many of them seem to be the kind of substanceless fluff posts one makes when one wants to look like they're participating (and believe me, I know a thing or two about those). You are very heavy on the roleplaying, but not so much on the gameplay.

Just to get the ball rolling, I will...

Vote: Michael Thompson (Mencot)

[LegoDad]

Would there not also be a possibility that in knowing they were getting "Role Copped", that a Framer(if it exists), could then mess with the findings? Since they would know that an action was going to be performed? While I want to lean one way or the other, I just can't right now, I"m not seasoned enough. But it still makes me uneasy, it seems like a daring scum move to me, especially with how quickly a defense to it came. Why, if the Scapegoat was truly town, would they come out with it on Post #1? and not after getting investigated later in the game, if it even came to it?

It just seems like a way to confuse us right off the bat and keep our eyes off others that may be more important. My 2 cents at this time.

[TheBoyWonder]

Framers only affect allegiance investigations. So, a rolecop is our best chance of catching Sheridan out if she is lying.

[Scubacarrot]

Daddy, I know you love me, but your defense of me is very odd.

I think a role cop should probably be able to like, see that my role is indeed the Village Scapegoat. But there is like, totally no reason to assume we have one on our side, don't know why you people are jumping on that. In these sort of like, situations, we rarely have one or whatever.

[TheBoyWonder]

In response to the comment about after they had been investigated, it would seem as if they were talking BS to try and cover their tracks and make an attempt to avoid being lynched.

[Scubacarrot]

Ugh. Honestly, I think we are like, too focussed on me or whatever, most people have stated I am most likely town, which is the truth. Yet most conversation is still like, about me or something.

And for the record, I have no other role or action or like, whatever.

[TrumpetKing]

I don't believe framers work that way. If I recall correctly, framing is to be done with the normal affiliation investigation, so Role Cop wouldn't see she was scum. The role cop would just learn her role, if any. Though I don't know why any scum would want to frame her if she already comes up scum.

And looking up, it appears some people have said the same as me. In storybooks, I believe this is called "Ninja'ing".

[Kadabra]

Would there not also be a possibility that in knowing they were getting "Role Copped", that a Framer(if it exists), could then mess with the findings? Since they would know that an action was going to be performed? While I want to lean one way or the other, I just can't right now, I"m not seasoned enough. But it still makes me uneasy, it seems like a daring scum move to me, especially with how quickly a defense to it came. Why, if the Scapegoat was truly town, would they come out with it on Post #1? and not after getting investigated later in the game, if it even came to it?

It just seems like a way to confuse us right off the bat and keep our eyes off others that may be more important. My 2 cents at this time.

No, Framer screws with alignment. Role Cop turns up your role. (A vig or the scum killer would both read 'killer', a Rolecop that is town OR scum would read 'rolecop', etc.) Anyway, I'm definitely in agreement with Clay in that Michael and Sheridan doing this sort of buddy-ish thing is confusing, but I want to wit for the rolecop's results, if we have one. So I'll lay the first vote on Esther for her over analysis and repeatedly flawed logic. Please clarify your thought processes, Esther, unless 'causing confusion' is the only reason you have for your bad logic. Vote: Esther Thompson (esurient)

I thought we were playing a Western game, not a ninja themed one.

[Mencot]

This post is suspicious. Up until now I was willing to pass off your defending Sheridan as clumsy roleplaying, but what makes you so sure a role cop wouldn't want to verify her allegiance for us? It's already been explained that Scapegoat is just another word for Miller, and Miller is a role, so surely there would be no reason for the role cop to sit idle while this question hung over our heads. When I first read this post, it almost seemed like you were trying to discourage the role cop from acting.

Wow, that's quite an impressive 180° turn in less than an hour. If you don't understand the role, you can always look it up in the ancient Mah-fee-ahs-kum texts. That's really the whole reason they're there. In my past lives, I did just that myself when I didn't understand a role.

Your radical agreement with the town implies that you are now skeptical of your daughter's words. And yet until this point you have been the first to defend her. Again, I'm still willing to accept that you might have been roleplaying a little too hard, but this is the kind of behavioural inconsistency that the elders taught us to watch out for.

Your second post is very fluffy. It's probably more roleplaying, but it reads as very submissive and noncommittal, as if you're saying, "Yeah, okay, do what you want. Ignore me completely. Nothing to see here. La-de-da-de-doo."

No do not ignore me, I hate that. And Clay stop twisting what I said, you make my incompetense look really bad, I have looked up all these new roles and try to understand them and how they work

Looking back over your other posts this day, many of them seem to be the kind of substanceless fluff posts one makes when one wants to look like they're participating (and believe me, I know a thing or two about those). You are very heavy on the roleplaying, but not so much on the gameplay.

I think I have been neither so far

Ugh. Honestly, I think we are like, too focussed on me or whatever, most people have stated I am most likely town, which is the truth. Yet most conversation is still like, about me or something.

And for the record, I have no other role or action or like, whatever.

Yes , lets focus on something else for now

And let my lass be