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Yeah, drunk Caleb, why did you drop your suspicion of Sheridan like a fresh hot pocket potato? Why do you vote for the person who claims to have a night action rather than the person who is mostly roleplay with very little content?

Like you have had much content in your posts so far, wig-case :wink:

I think you're just trying to sheep the bandwagon on Esther in the hopes of getting rid of a town power role.

I think in this way also or he has something twisted in his mind but Jessica that sound logicaly

and that is why I didn´t wanna bandvagon Esther (ofcourse has I said before, her beheivour was funny) but she responded that she drives a hard play from the start, lets see were that will take her and will it bring out the results she is trying to achieve.

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I voted after the soft claim as I interpreted it as a flail.

And Kimberley, I have read all of you posts, but for a large proportion of the day so far you hadn't said anything. You say you are only going to post if you have something to add, that is a bad reason. One post could start a conversation leading to everyone getting a scum read on someone, or glean some information from a naive scum even just your opinion on something is valued.

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Well, I've been trying catch up on what's going on, but I haven't managed to read through everything. I didn't want anyone thinking that my popping in and out without saying something was scummy, so I am taking a proactive approach. I'm leaving for a meeting about another awesome adventure (I'm thinking pigs and cornfields), so I can't finish reading and respond to everything. However, I will be back in just a few hours and I will post my thoughts.

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Well, I figure it's about time I weigh in on the discussion at hand. Thus-far, my suspicions have been drawn towards Micheal and Caleb... Both of whom seem (or seemed) set on one another. Their little squabble resulted in Micheal and Caleb both backing away from their arguments almost immediately, while Micheal still kept his vote on Caleb for no reason other than "he needs to vote." This strikes me as quite suspicious. :sceptic: I don't quite know which I find more suspicious at the moment, but I think one or both of them could be scum. At first I got the impression that it was one or the other, since scum don't usually argue with each-other in the day thread, but considering the very strange drop-of argument, they may both be scum attempting a bogus argument to distance themselves since they're both on the chop block. I'm going to vote for Micheal, but if either of you wants to explain how you could hold a seemingly strong opinion (strong enough to vote in Micheal's case) and drop that opinion after one post (but not the vote), then feel free to try and convince me otherwise. Nothing either of you has said today strikes me as particularly Townie either, although I'll admit I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone. Vote: Micheal (Mencot)

As far as Esther goes, I'm still pretty wary of voting off someone claiming to have a PR... even one who claimed the way she did. Also, on the subject, what's a "Soft-Claim?" When'd that become vernacular? :wacko: She claimed to be a PR. There's nothing soft about it.

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Vote Count

Esther Thompson (Esurient) - 7 (Kadabra, CallMePie, Trumpetking, mostlytechnic, Darkdragon, TheBoyWonder, Captain Nemo)

Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo) - 3 (Scubacarrot, Mencot, jamesn)

Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 3 (Capt. Redblade, Bob, Dannylonglegs)

Sheridan Thompson (Scubacarrot) - 1 (Zakura)

Connie Radford (Clanure) - 1 (PirateDave84)

No vote - 9 (Clanure, LegoDad, Kristel, Adam, Purpearljellyblob, Esurient, Peanuts, TinyPiesRUs, KielDaMan)

22 hours until Sunset.

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I'll just go ahead and vote: Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo). I've already told y'all why I'm suspicious of him and why I don't think it's a good idea to lynch Esther at this point. We've got less than 24 hours left, and if nothing else comes up, I wouldn't mind lynching Caleb.

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Well, I figure it's about time I weigh in on the discussion at hand. Thus-far, my suspicions have been drawn towards Micheal and Caleb... Both of whom seem (or seemed) set on one another. Their little squabble resulted in Micheal and Caleb both backing away from their arguments almost immediately, while Micheal still kept his vote on Caleb for no reason other than "he needs to vote." This strikes me as quite suspicious. :sceptic: I don't quite know which I find more suspicious at the moment, but I think one or both of them could be scum. At first I got the impression that it was one or the other, since scum don't usually argue with each-other in the day thread, but considering the very strange drop-of argument, they may both be scum attempting a bogus argument to distance themselves since they're both on the chop block. I'm going to vote for Micheal, but if either of you wants to explain how you could hold a seemingly strong opinion (strong enough to vote in Micheal's case) and drop that opinion after one post (but not the vote), then feel free to try and convince me otherwise. Nothing either of you has said today strikes me as particularly Townie either, although I'll admit I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone. Vote: Micheal (Mencot)

As far as Esther goes, I'm still pretty wary of voting off someone claiming to have a PR... even one who claimed the way she did. Also, on the subject, what's a "Soft-Claim?" When'd that become vernacular? :wacko: She claimed to be a PR. There's nothing soft about it.

Read everything through you big goon before you post

I think in this way also or he has something twisted in his mind but Jessica that sound logicaly

and that is why I didn´t wanna bandvagon Esther (ofcourse has I said before, her beheivour was funny) but she responded that she drives a hard play from the start, lets see were that will take her and will it bring out the results she is trying to achieve.

I agree with Jessica, some same thoughts I had about Caleb and thats why

I left my vote were it is because I find Calebs behaviour the most scummy so far and still do.

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Whoa there, Lady! You have five people you think are scum? Gotta say, that's unusual. Coupled with your wild flailing, your overzealous aggressiveness, and the fact you accused people early on over nothing at all, we have the typical sign...of a very confused townie.

Honestly, nothing of this reads as scum behavior. Scum hardly ever accuse early on day one, scum hardly ever pursue a certain suspect even after they meet nothing but resistance, and scum never, ever give us a list of five 'certain' scum and one 'fifty-fifty' on Day One.

Really, if she was scum, her buddies never would let her post the above. However, she doesn't 100% read 'town' to me. She might be third party. Very, very confused third party.

The only thing I read as scumtell is the claim of a claim, which I can't imagine a rational townie to make. Oh, wait, she didn't behave rational so far, no matter if she was scum or town.

Sorry, but I can't vote for someone who claims to have a night action. That never is a good idea.

After reading through all of the journal backlogs about the vote against Esther, I have to agree with the above sentiment. Two things unnerve me and make me slightly suspicious of Esther (Esurient): her claim of a claim, which no reasonable Townie would ever make, and her wild accusations (which are made even more ridiculous when you realize that her list of scum is derived from people that Sheridan (Scubacarrot) found suspicious).

Thanks, my child.

I will take a closer look at the posts made by

Tristan

Molly

Jessica

Boris

However, to me all of this indicates someone who is both confused and impressionable. To echo the thoughts of a few others, I find it very hard to believe that a scum team would allow Esther (Esurient) to flail about like this. I would agree with Molly that we have whittled this down to a "scum or dumb" scenario, but (and I feel mean saying this) I'm leaning towards the latter. When you add this to the potential for a power role, I really don't feel comfortable voting for Esther (Esurient). Frankly, if she is innocent, I doubt she will survive the night anyway after claiming PR.

As the votes stand, there appear to be three other trains of thought today: 1) vote for a lurker, 2) vote for Michael (Mencot), or 3) vote for Caleb (CaptainNemo). Personally, I don't feel comfortable voting for a lurker, but if you have been quiet today then I would encourage you to speak up and comment on the current votes and discussions. Michael (Mencot) irks me because frankly I don't think he has done anything besides roleplay and repeat what other people have said, but right now I find Caleb (CaptainNemo) slightly more suspicious:

I actually think that he had a solid point about Sheridan (Scubacarrot) pressuring people for responses to her claim and then suddenly asking people to stop talking about it. However, he promptly dropped all of his suspicions, demonstrating the same flip/flop attitude that he himself criticized of Sheridan (Scubacarrot)! His sole explanation for this change has been the following:

I had posted the link to try and get at a possible reason for her extreme roleplaying, and that I naively thought it was out of her control. A bit later however she show that she did not have to speak as she does, and proved the theory wrong. I suggested her roleplaying was scummy because she never seems to make definitive statements.

Sheridan is still on my list no doubt, and she won't be taken off until there's some night action clarification on her scapegoat. She is lower now however as Esther seems far more scummy, and Michaels support of Sheridan without reason is also odd.

I don't think this is enough to support the rapidity of his change of heart, and for that reason I shall vote: Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo).

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Are you some kind of a friend (scum buddy) of Caleb or what?

Meaning on

Well, I figure it's about time I weigh in on the discussion at hand. Thus-far, my suspicions have been drawn towards Micheal and Caleb... Both of whom seem (or seemed) set on one another. Their little squabble resulted in Micheal and Caleb both backing away from their arguments almost immediately, while Micheal still kept his vote on Caleb for no reason other than "he needs to vote." This strikes me as quite suspicious. :sceptic: I don't quite know which I find more suspicious at the moment, but I think one or both of them could be scum. At first I got the impression that it was one or the other, since scum don't usually argue with each-other in the day thread, but considering the very strange drop-of argument, they may both be scum attempting a bogus argument to distance themselves since they're both on the chop block. I'm going to vote for Micheal, but if either of you wants to explain how you could hold a seemingly strong opinion (strong enough to vote in Micheal's case) and drop that opinion after one post (but not the vote), then feel free to try and convince me otherwise. Nothing either of you has said today strikes me as particularly Townie either, although I'll admit I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone. Vote: Micheal (Mencot)

When you vote for me

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Are you some kind of a friend (scum buddy) of Caleb or what?

Meaning on

When you vote for me

I'm more suspicious of you. I'm suspicious of both of you, but I don't have two votes. How does me being scum buddies with Caleb make any sense when I just gave him the same treatment as you? :wacko:

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Na just messing with you

You keep your vote on me and I will keep my vote on Caleb because read my comments that is what I feel right now about him and his ways, we will see what will pop up in these last hours of this day

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After reading through all of the journal backlogs about the vote against Esther, I have to agree with the above sentiment. Two things unnerve me and make me slightly suspicious of Esther (Esurient): her claim of a claim, which no reasonable Townie would ever make, and her wild accusations (which are made even more ridiculous when you realize that her list of scum is derived from people that Sheridan (Scubacarrot) found suspicious).

However, to me all of this indicates someone who is both confused and impressionable. To echo the thoughts of a few others, I find it very hard to believe that a scum team would allow Esther (Esurient) to flail about like this. I would agree with Molly that we have whittled this down to a "scum or dumb" scenario, but (and I feel mean saying this) I'm leaning towards the latter. When you add this to the potential for a power role, I really don't feel comfortable voting for Esther (Esurient). Frankly, if she is innocent, I doubt she will survive the night anyway after claiming PR.

As the votes stand, there appear to be three other trains of thought today: 1) vote for a lurker, 2) vote for Michael (Mencot), or 3) vote for Caleb (CaptainNemo). Personally, I don't feel comfortable voting for a lurker, but if you have been quiet today then I would encourage you to speak up and comment on the current votes and discussions. Michael (Mencot) irks me because frankly I don't think he has done anything besides roleplay and repeat what other people have said, but right now I find Caleb (CaptainNemo) slightly more suspicious:

I actually think that he had a solid point about Sheridan (Scubacarrot) pressuring people for responses to her claim and then suddenly asking people to stop talking about it. However, he promptly dropped all of his suspicions, demonstrating the same flip/flop attitude that he himself criticized of Sheridan (Scubacarrot)! His sole explanation for this change has been the following:

I don't think this is enough to support the rapidity of his change of heart, and for that reason I shall vote: Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo).

I will say (about change of heart), that it was due inpart to the lack of support for my claim that her, er claim, may be false. Most people seem to not care about it, and have forgotten it--hence I felt it best to vote for the next scumiest person in my mind, rather then have my vote be basically discounted.

As for your comments on Michael, you point out that he only roleplays and repeats others, but you vote for me because I focus on a different scummy topic?

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We seem to be focused in on Caleb, Sheridan, and Esther today. Summarizing my thoughts, many have made the same.

While I am uneasy about the PR claim by Esther, I would hate to be wrong about it, would be a good Watch candidate if we have one. I also don't like the fact that she doesn't want to claim until it's too late? Why do that? Why claim in the first place if you're not going to do anything about it until you're already as good as gone? I also don't buy the "scum or dumb", I met Esther in another one of these cow towns, she was far from dumb.

Sheridan coming right out of the gate swinging with the scapegoat claim was very odd to me, but I'm pretty green to this as well, so there may be precedent that I'm unfamiliar with. I can also see where a scum would make the claim as it will be hard to prove. Also, if Sheridan is scum, and a goon, they could put a watcher(if they have one, again) on her see who is Role-Copping(if there is one) her, and get rid of a Power Role for the price of a goon since they would have that information and the Town probably wouldn't have that Town PR's identity yet, making it easy for the Scum to get rid of them, and then claim the role. Not a bad scenario for the Coyote team if they have decent size. Am I way off base with this thinking?? Since she has stated she has no role, she is a less risky lynch than Esther, who, while possibly scum, is also possibly a Town PR, and if we're wrong, would be a terrible lynch.

Caleb seems to be flailing a bit now (though Esther has done so as well) and seems to be attacking about every comment made, trying to keep the heat down. I just find this the scummiest right now with the apparent least amount of risk. I don't trust the other 2 either, but this is my vote for now. If anything comes up making Esther or Sheridan a better pick, I will revisit my vote.

Vote: Caleb (Captain Nemo)

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While I don't think both are scum (more likely only one is), I remain wary of both Esther and Sheridan. Here's my train of thought:

My role PM came 21 hours before Day 1 started. Assuming everyone else got theirs around the same time, it provided lots of time for scum to talk and develop a strategy. And what better way to avoid a lynch, especially on Day 1, than planting the possibility that you are town. In the case of Sheridan, the claim is difficult to verify. We would need a role cop and, if we do have one, we don't know yet if the action will return just "vanilla" or "vanilla + allegiance". In the case of Esther, a PR is something we don't want to lose.

So, both have given us a reason to keep them around, but nothing has been verified. I can't help but feel that we are being played by one of them.

But, I'm a townie and I don't want to vote for someone when there is a chance that they are town. For now, they don't get my vote.

My thoughts on others:

I've got both Michael and Beatrice on this list, with Beatrice voting for Michael. So it's probably unlikely that both are scum.

On balance, I'll Vote: Michael Thompson (Mencot). I believe he is trying to be middle of the road with his role playing and the comment in his last post ("Na just messing with you") doesn't seem very townie to me.

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We seem to be focused in on Caleb, Sheridan, and Esther today. Summarizing my thoughts, many have made the same.

While I am uneasy about the PR claim by Esther, I would hate to be wrong about it, would be a good Watch candidate if we have one. I also don't like the fact that she doesn't want to claim until it's too late? Why do that? Why claim in the first place if you're not going to do anything about it until you're already as good as gone? I also don't buy the "scum or dumb", I met Esther in another one of these cow towns, she was far from dumb.

Sheridan coming right out of the gate swinging with the scapegoat claim was very odd to me, but I'm pretty green to this as well, so there may be precedent that I'm unfamiliar with. I can also see where a scum would make the claim as it will be hard to prove. Also, if Sheridan is scum, and a goon, they could put a watcher(if they have one, again) on her see who is Role-Copping(if there is one) her, and get rid of a Power Role for the price of a goon since they would have that information and the Town probably wouldn't have that Town PR's identity yet, making it easy for the Scum to get rid of them, and then claim the role. Not a bad scenario for the Coyote team if they have decent size. Am I way off base with this thinking?? Since she has stated she has no role, she is a less risky lynch than Esther, who, while possibly scum, is also possibly a Town PR, and if we're wrong, would be a terrible lynch.

Caleb seems to be flailing a bit now (though Esther has done so as well) and seems to be attacking about every comment made, trying to keep the heat down. I just find this the scummiest right now with the apparent least amount of risk. I don't trust the other 2 either, but this is my vote for now. If anything comes up making Esther or Sheridan a better pick, I will revisit my vote.

Vote: Caleb (Captain Nemo)

Of course I'm trying to get the heat off me! I'm defending myself because I'm town! I'm just a regular town with no claims and no left eye.

And because I'm just average (and possibly annoying?) I'm the one you want to vote for? I see the votes as an attack on me because I stood out the most for being the most suspicious of Sheridan, and I'm getting a vote from Michael because of it (as well as sheridan and missguided/scum others). And I see Esther as a scum, because of her early judgements/lists and her claim--which cannot be verified before the hanging, and therefore is very likely a lie to stall time/votes. Hence my vote for Esther.

I don't know what I need to convince you townsmen of my loyal-ness. I don't have claims of a scapegoat, I don't roleplay my way out of not saying original thoughts, and I don't have a supposed PR claim to fall on.

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Kimberley, I am just pointing it out, but your vote isn't in the right format.

Thanks!

Try again: Vote: Michael Thompson (Mencot)

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As promised...

This extremely long post and willingness to accuse anyone for anything is why I have a problem with Esther. The other side of a typical 'fluff' post is the extremely lengthy multi-quoted post that is supposed to be full of help, but really only helps to confuse. Her PR claim makes me unsure to say she's scum, but I don't like it.

I will say (about change of heart), that it was due inpart to the lack of support for my claim that her, er claim, may be false. Most people seem to not care about it, and have forgotten it--hence I felt it best to vote for the next scumiest person in my mind, rather then have my vote be basically discounted.

Seems to me that if it's something your confident in and think it's the best course of action you stick to your guns and try your damndest to get the rest of us to see your logic. Admitting your wishy-washy doesn't seem to be a wise move. Even if your vote doesn't lead or help to get the lynch you want, it's not discounted. Standing to your beliefs and holding your ground will go along way in the coming days to establishing your credibility.

I haven't voted yet because I'm not confident in my selection. I'm willing to wait to see what plays out and see where we are when the time is a bit closer. That being said, it takes all types of players to play these games and I'm glad that there are others who are wiling to fling accusations wildly, if for no other reason than to start the dialog. I see the good in that, I'm just not comfortable playing in that manner.

We seem to be focused in on Caleb, Sheridan, and Esther today. Summarizing my thoughts, many have made the same.

While I am uneasy about the PR claim by Esther, I would hate to be wrong about it, would be a good Watch candidate if we have one. I also don't like the fact that she doesn't want to claim until it's too late? Why do that? Why claim in the first place if you're not going to do anything about it until you're already as good as gone? I also don't buy the "scum or dumb", I met Esther in another one of these cow towns, she was far from dumb.

Sheridan coming right out of the gate swinging with the scapegoat claim was very odd to me, but I'm pretty green to this as well, so there may be precedent that I'm unfamiliar with. I can also see where a scum would make the claim as it will be hard to prove. Also, if Sheridan is scum, and a goon, they could put a watcher(if they have one, again) on her see who is Role-Copping(if there is one) her, and get rid of a Power Role for the price of a goon since they would have that information and the Town probably wouldn't have that Town PR's identity yet, making it easy for the Scum to get rid of them, and then claim the role. Not a bad scenario for the Coyote team if they have decent size. Am I way off base with this thinking?? Since she has stated she has no role, she is a less risky lynch than Esther, who, while possibly scum, is also possibly a Town PR, and if we're wrong, would be a terrible lynch.

Liz, I was trying to wrap my brain around the possibility of something just like this, and think it has merit. At least to my novice brain. It takes a few days for the town to get a few people together with enough trust to start working in a cohesive manner, while the scum (or at least a good scum team) has already been working as a cohesive unit from before the first day started. Adding these claims on day one has almost certainly set the course for how the NA's from the town side will play out (within reason of course). Would it be better to steer the NA's in a direction you want, at the risk of losing a goon, but almost guaranteeing that night one plays out the way you anticipate? Not sure of the real risk, but being able to manipulate right from the get go has got to be desirable, right?

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While I am uneasy about the PR claim by Esther, I would hate to be wrong about it, would be a good Watch candidate if we have one. I also don't like the fact that she doesn't want to claim until it's too late? Why do that? Why claim in the first place if you're not going to do anything about it until you're already as good as gone? I also don't buy the "scum or dumb", I met Esther in another one of these cow towns, she was far from dumb.

Sheridan coming right out of the gate swinging with the scapegoat claim was very odd to me, but I'm pretty green to this as well, so there may be precedent that I'm unfamiliar with. I can also see where a scum would make the claim as it will be hard to prove. Also, if Sheridan is scum, and a goon, they could put a watcher(if they have one, again) on her see who is Role-Copping(if there is one) her, and get rid of a Power Role for the price of a goon since they would have that information and the Town probably wouldn't have that Town PR's identity yet, making it easy for the Scum to get rid of them, and then claim the role. Not a bad scenario for the Coyote team if they have decent size. Am I way off base with this thinking?? Since she has stated she has no role, she is a less risky lynch than Esther, who, while possibly scum, is also possibly a Town PR, and if we're wrong, would be a terrible lynch.

Caleb seems to be flailing a bit now (though Esther has done so as well) and seems to be attacking about every comment made, trying to keep the heat down. I just find this the scummiest right now with the apparent least amount of risk. I don't trust the other 2 either, but this is my vote for now. If anything comes up making Esther or Sheridan a better pick, I will revisit my vote.

Your scenario with Sheridan here is quite plausible - given (like Kimberly pointed out) that the scum had significant time to plan, they could EASILY have come up with this strategy. Frankly, if there is a loyal role-cop, I'd be wary of checking out sheridan tonight. Too easy to get watched and caught.

Esther, well... like you say, I don't think she's dumb. But I also can't see scum letter her carry on like she has all day. I'll admit, on that basis, I'm leaning towards possibly changing my vote. I just can't see the scum making such claims and accusations on day 1.

Caleb, well, dunno what to say. It's very plausible that he's just trying to defend himself from all the voting without having anything solid to use.

This extremely long post and willingness to accuse anyone for anything is why I have a problem with Esther. The other side of a typical 'fluff' post is the extremely lengthy multi-quoted post that is supposed to be full of help, but really only helps to confuse. Her PR claim makes me unsure to say she's scum, but I don't like it.

Liz, I was trying to wrap my brain around the possibility of something just like this, and think it has merit. At least to my novice brain. It takes a few days for the town to get a few people together with enough trust to start working in a cohesive manner, while the scum (or at least a good scum team) has already been working as a cohesive unit from before the first day started. Adding these claims on day one has almost certainly set the course for how the NA's from the town side will play out (within reason of course). Would it be better to steer the NA's in a direction you want, at the risk of losing a goon, but almost guaranteeing that night one plays out the way you anticipate? Not sure of the real risk, but being able to manipulate right from the get go has got to be desirable, right?

And that's why I haven't unvoted esther yet...

As for the very real chance the scum is trying to manipulate night 1, again, I'd be hesitant if I were a town PR to do the obvious checks. Yes, I wanna test Sheridan and Esther, but that'll be very dangerous to do tonight. Risking being WIFOM though, the scum could be counting on that too.... argh. Life as a dancer is so much easier without all this murdering.

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While I don't think both are scum (more likely only one is), I remain wary of both Esther and Sheridan. Here's my train of thought:

My role PM came 21 hours before Day 1 started. Assuming everyone else got theirs around the same time, it provided lots of time for scum to talk and develop a strategy. And what better way to avoid a lynch, especially on Day 1, than planting the possibility that you are town. In the case of Sheridan, the claim is difficult to verify. We would need a role cop and, if we do have one, we don't know yet if the action will return just "vanilla" or "vanilla + allegiance". In the case of Esther, a PR is something we don't want to lose.

So, both have given us a reason to keep them around, but nothing has been verified. I can't help but feel that we are being played by one of them.

We were pretty much over the whole Sheridan thing, and I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I have been thinking and if this was a scum plan, there is one major flaw: They don't know if there is a real Miller, which would screw over their whole plan and give us a large advantage early on.

I doubt they would take such a risk with so little to gain.

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Vote Count

Esther Thompson (Esurient) - 7 (Kadabra, CallMePie, Trumpetking, mostlytechnic, Darkdragon, TheBoyWonder, Captain Nemo)

Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo) - 6 (Scubacarrot, Mencot, jamesn, Peanuts, Adam, LegoDad)

Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 4 (Capt. Redblade, Bob, Dannylonglegs, Kristel)

Sheridan Thompson (Scubacarrot) - 1 (Zakura)

Connie Radford (Clanure) - 1 (PirateDave84)

No vote - 5 (Clanure, Purpearljellyblob, Esurient, TinyPiesRUs, KielDaMan)

19 hours until Sunset. Get those votes in - not voting is a penalty!

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We were pretty much over the whole Sheridan thing, and I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I have been thinking and if this was a scum plan, there is one major flaw: They don't know if there is a real Miller, which would screw over their whole plan and give us a large advantage early on.

I doubt they would take such a risk with so little to gain.

Except for 2 things... 1. Millers aren't common. So it's a gamble of having a real one, but possibly a gamble worth taking. 2. If there were a counter claim, it would cause mass confusion and debate for a day or more. Still possibly worth it - you'd have to assume one gets lynched and possibly the other vig killed (or scum killed if we correctly lynched the false-claiming scum). Still, ties everyone up in fighting that's fairly worthless since we would have literally nothing to base our decision on between them other than what they said during that day.

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Millers will always have that cloud of suspicion all over them throughout the game once they claim. That being said, Millers probably won't last long in any game, they would be a liability if we reach a situation whereby Sheridan, if she hasn't been verified, and we need to lynch a scum or else Town would lose the game. As for Esther, I am not really comfortable with voting for her today. Her activity has been rather 'in-your-face' and flogging wild accusations all over. I don't think scum would be so audacious to do such a thing to take the centre stage on Day 1.

Of course I'm trying to get the heat off me! I'm defending myself because I'm town! I'm just a regular town with no claims and no left eye.

And because I'm just average (and possibly annoying?) I'm the one you want to vote for? I see the votes as an attack on me because I stood out the most for being the most suspicious of Sheridan, and I'm getting a vote from Michael because of it (as well as sheridan and missguided/scum others). And I see Esther as a scum, because of her early judgements/lists and her claim--which cannot be verified before the hanging, and therefore is very likely a lie to stall time/votes. Hence my vote for Esther.

I don't know what I need to convince you townsmen of my loyal-ness. I don't have claims of a scapegoat, I don't roleplay my way out of not saying original thoughts, and I don't have a supposed PR claim to fall on.

I believe that you do know that claiming not only includes PRs but non-PRs as well (i.e. vanilla). Claiming vanilla is still a claim. But the issue is whether it's Town or Scum, that we have to decide. But now you are saying you are vanilla town and you don't know how to convince us? Your actions throughout the day as a town vanilla (so you said to be) doesn't convince me for sure. Vote: Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo)

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We were pretty much over the whole Sheridan thing, and I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I have been thinking and if this was a scum plan, there is one major flaw: They don't know if there is a real Miller, which would screw over their whole plan and give us a large advantage early on.

I doubt they would take such a risk with so little to gain.

I agree with what's been said above on this, but I'm starting to think it might be worth the risk.

1. If there isn't a real miller, they can make the claim and try to steer the night in the direction they wish. If it works, great. If it doesn't, probably no real harm. We'll be suspicious of Sheridan even if we don't role-cop (or whatever else) her tonight.

2. If there is a real miller, do they really want to come forward? I'm still new to this but just because someone claims doesn't mean you have to counter-claim? So that may buy them a few days as the real miller decides that it's worth revealing/calling out or the town figures out if there is a real miller.

Lastly, as I re-read through today's activities I have to ask:

Sheridan, you've had plenty to say for sure today, but it's all been based on your immediate claim and subsequent defense/impact of your actions. You've voted for Caleb because he's been the most dogged in questioning you. Through all of this though, I haven't seen your thoughts or impressions on any of the other action that has happened with other players.

You claimed, defended, but haven't done much past that. I'm not liking that. What do you think about everything else?

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