TheBoyWonder Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Shieeeeet. Jessica was the investigator? Crap. Did she say any of her investigations prior to getting scum killed?
Adam Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 MOTHER! I've already lost father, why must I lose you too?! Even if you never paid me any attention, I still loved you... *sniff* I'm sorry, this is a lot to handle. I apologize for going MIA towards the end of yesterday, I was unexpectedly busy. Our progress thus far has me extremely nervous; the only history I've ever read that was this tragic in terms of villagers lost was about a fabled Witch Hunt. Also, what's the point of starting a vote if you say from the outset that anyone who says "nay" is suspicious? Seriously. Providing the town with a choice and then restricting the options to the one that you want is extremely unhelpful and kind of suspicious. At this point I would risk the pinging and say "nay" because if you are right and you do peg the poisoner, I think that you'll be painting a target on who is likely the vig's back. Have you considered talking with your suspected poisoner in private first? This is really the best course of action. Both Tristan and Patrick seem to have their suspicions, and I would encourage them both to talk to their suspects directly, not potentially unmask the vig to the scum. Also, I don't think Kane actually is scum, because he voted yesterday for Jessica, who was scumkilled last night. By the way, you may wonder why the scum killed Jessica? She was the investigator. My best guess is that they role-copped and then killed her. So, voting for your victim right before you kill them is not the smartest scum move (unless there's a bandwagon going on), which leads me to believe it was not a scum move at all. I'm not sure about Boris, though, who also voted for her, because he didn't start it and left it immediately, as if he was called back by his buddies. Hence I think the most likely combinations are the last two ones. I'm not quite sure how to respond to your inclusion of my name in these theoretical scum groups, because you haven't provided any reasoning behind the names within. While I don't know all of what your criteria was for creating these lists, keep in mind that making minor accusations of your teammates is a fairly common scum strategy, because it safeguards them if the other person is killed/lynched and turns up scum. As for the information about my mother (jamesn), this makes her death even more tragic (I'm assuming that you learned about her role via PM). I guess with eight Townies gone it had to be expected that at least one of them might have a power role. I would also like to hear if you know anything about investigation results, but I'd like those results to be corroborated by at least one other person who was in contact with my mother (jamesn). It would be quite easy for the scum to take a random dead Townie, call him or her the investigator, and use that to move suspicion off of the other Coyotes. Furthermore, I'm interested to know who else, if anyone, knew about my mother (jamesn) and her role.
TrumpetKing Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Jessica was the investigator? Crap. I'm going to ditto with the people before me. Did she at least give you any of her results?
Peanuts Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 I'm not quite sure how to respond to your inclusion of my name in these theoretical scum groups, because you haven't provided any reasoning behind the names within. While I don't know all of what your criteria was for creating these lists, keep in mind that making minor accusations of your teammates is a fairly common scum strategy, because it safeguards them if the other person is killed/lynched and turns up scum. As for the information about my mother (jamesn), this makes her death even more tragic (I'm assuming that you learned about her role via PM). I guess with eight Townies gone it had to be expected that at least one of them might have a power role. I would also like to hear if you know anything about investigation results, but I'd like those results to be corroborated by at least one other person who was in contact with my mother (jamesn). It would be quite easy for the scum to take a random dead Townie, call him or her the investigator, and use that to move suspicion off of the other Coyotes. Furthermore, I'm interested to know who else, if anyone, knew about my mother (jamesn) and her role. Well, I didn't count every small accusation, of course, but generally scum try to keep as far from each other as possible. And they don't want to shift the spotlight over to their teammates. We haven't lynched any scum members so far, and most of the bandwagons were against people who were lynched later on (or died), so I see no reason why scum should raise serious points against a team member. I disregarded anything like "I'm suspicious of x, y and z" if it wasn't followed up by a decent explanation. Also, nobody else I know about knew of her role. Except for the scum, I guess, because why would they have killed her otherwise? She was suspected by some. Also, the scum couldn't pull what you described of unless they knew that the investigator is dead, and that nobody else was in contact with them, which they can't. I wouldn't even have mentioned that we lost our investigator, but I'm afraid that we are awfully close to losing (one more wrong lynch, one more bad poison kill, one more scum kill and it's probably 7 vs. 6). And, unfortunately, there's nobody who was successfully investigated, excpet for me, but I can't prove that of course. Kimberly was investigated on the night she was killed, and than we lost our investigator yesterday. Because I believe in my theory and because she hasn't been particularly helpful anyway I'll vote: Abigail Nelson (Adam) I'm willing to switch to Liz or Prudence, since they're in most groups I deem probable as well, if someone thinks they are more scummy.
Kadabra Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Wow, heavy stuff going on here. Losing the investigator is a big deal, especially since we haven't gotten to utilize her to the best of her abilities prior to the unfortunate death. Knowing that Jessica was the investigator actually makes me think Boris being scum is even more likely. He probably saw me accusing her, then jumped on in the hopes that a bandwagon against the investigator would take her out for him, then jumped off when either his scumbuddies reeled him back in or he realized on his own that a bandwagon wasn't going to form.
TheBoyWonder Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Oh come on. If I was scum, why the hell would I attempt to bolster a lynch against an investigator that was presumably known to the Scum? It would cast even more suspicion onto myself, and be an extremely bad scum move. I am just wondering if this is the only PR we have lost so far.
Mencot Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 8 loyal town down, if some of them could be called that because they didn´t prove, give or contribute anything of use for finding the scum. But anyway it isn´t good. Connies death as her husbands poison deaths are most likely made by the vig, so answering tristans question I say Nay. Because we don´t know if it is the SK or the Vig and we don´t want to give the scum any leads, altough allTristan had was a doubt who it is. Because if Jessica was the investigator and who knows if anyone of the other 7 townies was a PR, we have lost much. More good news. The Mighty Carletta Emilia Benita Anne-Marie Rosita Priscilla Lucia Cecilia Maria Garcia Giuliana Vittoria Roberta Consuela Rosalina Margarita Puerta just found out she's part French, too. More bad news, we're down eight townies and no scum. I'm starting to wonder that despite the rather off MO, maybe the snakeskin killer is the vigilante? Both targets have been rather suspicious in the days. Weird how Zachary died in the middle of the day and Connie died at night, though. It's possible. The Mighty Carletta noticed his strange behavior, too, but she is not sure whether it is indicative of scuminess or not. True, what was up with that, was it a "late" made action that was approved by mod? or something else Yes, I think that would be the best course of action. No idea who they are, but since they have killed our suspects, I don't want them revealed to the scum. Anyway, I've spent a bit of time thinking about everything, and I have tried to find out who is most likely to be in the same scum group. I assumed that there are six scum members, because that seems to be the usual number. With 15 people (excluding me) left alive, and six of them scum, there are 5005 possible combinations, and I eliminated all the ones I think are unlikely (due to people not working together, accusing each other etc.) and now there are five combinations of six people left that I think are likely. These are: - Kane - Carletta - Kenneth - Prudence - Liz - Abigail - Kane - Damien - Prudence - Abigail - Kenneth and either Carletta or Tony - Prudence - Abigail - Carletta - Liz - Kenneth and either Clay or Boris Prudence, Kenneth and Abigail are in all of them. I'm not sure if I'm accurate regarding Kenneth, he was very quiet on the first two days (before he changed comepletely), which distorts the results. Also, I don't think Kane actually is scum, because he voted yesterday for Jessica, who was scumkilled last night. By the way, you may wonder why the scum killed Jessica? She was the investigator. My best guess is that they role-copped and then killed her. So, voting for your victim right before you kill them is not the smartest scum move (unless there's a bandwagon going on), which leads me to believe it was not a scum move at all. I'm not sure about Boris, though, who also voted for her, because he didn't start it and left it immediately, as if he was called back by his buddies. Hence I think the most likely combinations are the last two ones. Well, I didn't count every small accusation, of course, but generally scum try to keep as far from each other as possible. And they don't want to shift the spotlight over to their teammates. We haven't lynched any scum members so far, and most of the bandwagons were against people who were lynched later on (or died), so I see no reason why scum should raise serious points against a team member. I disregarded anything like "I'm suspicious of x, y and z" if it wasn't followed up by a decent explanation. Also, nobody else I know about knew of her role. Except for the scum, I guess, because why would they have killed her otherwise? She was suspected by some. Also, the scum couldn't pull what you described of unless they knew that the investigator is dead, and that nobody else was in contact with them, which they can't. I wouldn't even have mentioned that we lost our investigator, but I'm afraid that we are awfully close to losing (one more wrong lynch, one more bad poison kill, one more scum kill and it's probably 7 vs. 6). And, unfortunately, there's nobody who was successfully investigated, excpet for me, but I can't prove that of course. Kimberly was investigated on the night she was killed, and than we lost our investigator yesterday. Because I believe in my theory and because she hasn't been particularly helpful anyway I'll vote: Abigail Nelson (Adam) I'm willing to switch to Liz or Prudence, since they're in most groups I deem probable as well, if someone thinks they are more scummy. Hmm intresting patterns, don´t know if they are true but nice to see someone trying to make something to help us catch the scum. Wow, heavy stuff going on here. Losing the investigator is a big deal, especially since we haven't gotten to utilize her to the best of her abilities prior to the unfortunate death. Knowing that Jessica was the investigator actually makes me think Boris being scum is even more likely. He probably saw me accusing her, then jumped on in the hopes that a bandwagon against the investigator would take her out for him, then jumped off when either his scumbuddies reeled him back in or he realized on his own that a bandwagon wasn't going to form. Something to look in to Oh come on. If I was scum, why the hell would I attempt to bolster a lynch against an investigator that was presumably known to the Scum? It would cast even more suspicion onto myself, and be an extremely bad scum move. I am just wondering if this is the only PR we have lost so far. Iam also wondering, but it is hard to know because there hasn´t really been so much trust between people here
Capt. Redblade Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 8 loyal town down, if some of them could be called that because they didn´t prove, give or contribute anything of use for finding the scum. But anyway it isn´t good. Connies death as her husbands poison deaths are most likely made by the vig, so answering tristans question I say Nay. Because we don´t know if it is the SK or the Vig and we don´t want to give the scum any leads, altough allTristan had was a doubt who it is. Because if Jessica was the investigator and who knows if anyone of the other 7 townies was a PR, we have lost much. True, what was up with that, was it a "late" made action that was approved by mod? or something else Hmm intresting patterns, don´t know if they are true but nice to see someone trying to make something to help us catch the scum. Something to look in to Iam also wondering, but it is hard to know because there hasn´t really been so much trust between people here Michael, I'm starting to get the sensation that your entire contribution to this game can be summed up as, "Yeah. Uh-huh. I agree with that. S/he's right. I agree." I don't think I've seen you form a solid opinion of your own once in this entire game. I'm hesitant to name you a suspect just yet, seeing as how we've already mistaken too many lazy townies for scum, but I think we would all appreciate it if you could do more than blindly follow everyone who actually has something to say. Wow, heavy stuff going on here. Losing the investigator is a big deal, especially since we haven't gotten to utilize her to the best of her abilities prior to the unfortunate death. Knowing that Jessica was the investigator actually makes me think Boris being scum is even more likely. He probably saw me accusing her, then jumped on in the hopes that a bandwagon against the investigator would take her out for him, then jumped off when either his scumbuddies reeled him back in or he realized on his own that a bandwagon wasn't going to form. Oh come on. If I was scum, why the hell would I attempt to bolster a lynch against an investigator that was presumably known to the Scum? It would cast even more suspicion onto myself, and be an extremely bad scum move. I am just wondering if this is the only PR we have lost so far. My people tell legends of Boris' ancestors, some of whom were scum in previous lives, and I have to say, this is actually the kind of mistake I can see him making. At the very least, we should keep an open mind to the idea.
TheBoyWonder Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Just like to make a point. I get pulled up for Metagaming, and everyone else does it and its fine? Sorry if this offends you, just thought I'd share my view of it.
Mencot Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Michael, I'm starting to get the sensation that your entire contribution to this game can be summed up as, "Yeah. Uh-huh. I agree with that. S/he's right. I agree." I don't think I've seen you form a solid opinion of your own once in this entire game. I'm hesitant to name you a suspect just yet, seeing as how we've already mistaken too many lazy townies for scum, but I think we would all appreciate it if you could do more than blindly follow everyone who actually has something to say. OH so he speaks, nice to see you join in Chief, thought we had lost you there when we hadn´t heard any from you in awhile!
TrumpetKing Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Michael, was there really a need to point out that he's here? We can see that he is, and the fact that you aren't adding anything to the conversation that hasn't been said, mixed with the fact that you just randomly point out that somebody 's here almost makes me want to vote for you. We haven't forgotten your strange behavior from the first two days.
Mencot Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Also, I don't think Kane actually is scum, because he voted yesterday for Jessica, who was scumkilled last night. By the way, you may wonder why the scum killed Jessica? She was the investigator. My best guess is that they role-copped and then killed her. So, voting for your victim right before you kill them is not the smartest scum move (unless there's a bandwagon going on), which leads me to believe it was not a scum move at all. I'm not sure about Boris, though, who also voted for her, because he didn't start it and left it immediately, as if he was called back by his buddies. Hence I think the most likely combinations are the last two ones. So how did you know Jessica was the investigator, she told you in PM, what else did she tell you, and of value for the town? If not in public then tell the first townie you trust in PM Also the townies with PR, if there is someone you trust, that you can be sure/100 % is town, now it should be time to start talking in PM (if you aren´t already but we aren´t really seeing any results) that we can start getting those scum caught before they have us in an iron grip!
TheBoyWonder Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 In case you didn't notice, he revealed her investigation targets and results.
Mencot Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Michael, was there really a need to point out that he's here? We can see that he is, and the fact that you aren't adding anything to the conversation that hasn't been said, mixed with the fact that you just randomly point out that somebody 's here almost makes me want to vote for you. We haven't forgotten your strange behavior from the first two days. You can vote for me if you want to, but that wouldn´t help town any! it is Clay, he just bugs me out and it isn´t his comments against me it is something else in his behaviour, I can´t just put my finger on it what it is. Have to study is comments Oh it was her results, Okay (not ok-ey) In case you didn't notice, he revealed her investigation targets and results. Reread his comments, where is this again? Don´t find it And, unfortunately, there's nobody who was successfully investigated, excpet for me, but I can't prove that of course. Kimberly was investigated on the night she was killed, and than we lost our investigator yesterday. Okay (not ok-ey) found it, we have to go from here
TrumpetKing Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Sheridan, I see you're here reading today's journal. What do you have to say? I thought you were compiling thoughts? You can vote for me if you want to, but that wouldn´t help town any! Please, convince me if this. Saying you're town won't convince me. Giving proof in your behavior that proves you as town, will. However, I'm failing to see any of that from you currently.
mostlytechnic Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Also, I don't think Kane actually is scum, because he voted yesterday for Jessica, who was scumkilled last night. By the way, you may wonder why the scum killed Jessica? She was the investigator. My best guess is that they role-copped and then killed her. So the only evidence we ahve the Jessica was investigator is one claim by someone, who says she told them she was in PM after investigating them? That's thin... Although I'm sorta inclined to believe it since there hasn't been any counterclaim. If our investigator is still around, speak up so we know if he's lying here! Dang it sucks not having anyone we can trust for sure around here! Have you considered talking with your suspected poisoner in private first? Agree with this - see if you can find anything out in private from your suspect first. That'll give away your suspicion to them, but seems worth it to see what they say. Making a public discussion would give it away too, so might as well start private and then move it public if justified. Baker, that was quite the list of suspects you made there. Gotta say, I sorta suspect you're not far off. They're all people I'm keeping a close eye on.
Kadabra Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 So the only evidence we ahve the Jessica was investigator is one claim by someone, who says she told them she was in PM after investigating them? That's thin... Although I'm sorta inclined to believe it since there hasn't been any counterclaim. If our investigator is still around, speak up so we know if he's lying here! Dang it sucks not having anyone we can trust for sure around here! Agree with this - see if you can find anything out in private from your suspect first. That'll give away your suspicion to them, but seems worth it to see what they say. Making a public discussion would give it away too, so might as well start private and then move it public if justified. Baker, that was quite the list of suspects you made there. Gotta say, I sorta suspect you're not far off. They're all people I'm keeping a close eye on. Which group of six are you keeping a close eye on? People differ between the lists. Or do you just mean Prudence, Ienneth, and Abigail? Just like to make a point. I get pulled up for Metagaming, and everyone else does it and its fine? Sorry if this offends you, just thought I'd share my view of it. You were called out for bad logic (private mode = scummy, despite the facts that a) he was on private before the game even started and b) there are other people also on private yet you didn't call them out) that metagaming happened to be a part of. Everyone else is calling you out on behavioral analysis that happens to span multiple games. Metagaming in and of itself, while not quite in the spirit of the game, is not scummy. The way you used it was.
Tamamono Posted July 6, 2013 Author Posted July 6, 2013 Saturday, June 26th Noon "So? What are you fools waiting for? There's no time for lollygagging; voting's open!!" Voting is now open. Again, voting is mandatory. Vote Count Damien Long (Dannylonglegs) - 3 (penalty, penalty, penalty) 48 hours remain until sunset.
Capt. Redblade Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 OH so he speaks, nice to see you join in Chief, thought we had lost you there when we hadn´t heard any from you in awhile! Well, hello to you too, Michael. Would you care to answer my suspicions or are you just going to brush them off? So how did you know Jessica was the investigator, she told you in PM, what else did she tell you, and of value for the town? If not in public then tell the first townie you trust in PM Also the townies with PR, if there is someone you trust, that you can be sure/100 % is town, now it should be time to start talking in PM (if you aren´t already but we aren´t really seeing any results) that we can start getting those scum caught before they have us in an iron grip! The second one I guess. Michael, was there really a need to point out that he's here? We can see that he is, and the fact that you aren't adding anything to the conversation that hasn't been said, mixed with the fact that you just randomly point out that somebody 's here almost makes me want to vote for you. We haven't forgotten your strange behavior from the first two days. You can vote for me if you want to, but that wouldn´t help town any! it is Clay, he just bugs me out and it isn´t his comments against me it is something else in his behaviour, I can´t just put my finger on it what it is. Have to study is comments Oh it was her results, Okay (not ok-ey) Reread his comments, where is this again? Don´t find it Okay (not ok-ey) found it, we have to go from here Ah, so it's not just me you're giving the brush-off to, eh? Tristan echoed my point about you not having a single original thought, and when you could address those concerns, you instead choose to OMFGUS me. We can't believe you're town on your word alone. You have to show effort. I may not always be around, but you know what? At least I'm forming my own opinions. Nobody put it into my head that you were suspicious; I came to the conclusion all by myself. This is something you have repeatedly failed to do. Your contributions to this point have been frequently lacklustre, devoid of original thought, and more often than not, lazy. Both you and Boris have been frequently fluff-posting and flying under the radar. Between you, I'm not sure who's scummier at this point.
TrumpetKing Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 I honestly don't know who I find scummier between Boris or Michael. Both have been constant fluff talkers over the past 4 days. My vote will likely go to Michael though, unless he can convince us otherwise. Michael has been suspicious longer than Boris, it seems, and Boris at least acts like he's trying to help us, whereas Michael has done virtually nothing today but acknowledge the existence of Clay.
Peanuts Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 So, voting is finally open. I'll go with what I said before, and vote: Abigail Nelson (Adam)
TrumpetKing Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 Personally, I'm fine with a lynch on any of the three suspects. Vote: Michael Thompson (Mencot) When you're ready to convince us you're town, do so.
mostlytechnic Posted July 7, 2013 Posted July 7, 2013 Which group of six are you keeping a close eye on? People differ between the lists. Or do you just mean Prudence, Ienneth, and Abigail? All of them - not sure which of the lists is the closest or that any of them are right, so just keeping an eye on all those people. Well, keeping an eye on EVERYONE obviously since I can't say there's anyone I'm convinced of yet (in either direction) but they're definitely all people leaning towards the scummier.
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