Silver City Mafia: Day 4 - Dances With Wolves

[mostlytechnic]

I'm not at all ready to pick out exact combinations, but of all the people on your lists:

- Kane - nothing I can put my finger on exactly, but slight scum read to me.

- Carletta - sure loves to grow her name, but haven't seen much useful out of her other than chuckles. 60% scummy.

- Kenneth - not sure this is a good scum read. He's been pretty active lately and seemed to be scum hunting hard. slightly town IMHO.

- Prudence - almost forgot she was playing!

- Liz - one of the less suspicious, but still... call this one maybe 50/50 to me

- Abigail - nothing solid here. 50/50.

- Damien - didn't bother to vote, which almost townreads to me. Doubt a scum would risk the penalties. eh, 50/50 here too.

- Tony - nothing solid here. 50/50

- Clay - not terribly active, but nothing overtly scummy either. 50/50.

- Boris - not very active. I think he got over-accused on his metagaming of the private mode comment, but that doesn't mean he's not scummy. The rest of his play hasn't done much either. 65% scummy to me.

Kinda surprised Michael didn't make your lists, given that many others are suspicious of him for fluffing. Care to explain why?

As for those not on the list, here's my thoughts on them too:

- Perry - claims to have been cleared by the dead investigator. Haven't heard a counterclaim, but it's also possible that he's scum and Jessica really was the investigator, so he's claiming to have been cleared to get "on the inside" of the town. Also, Abigail rightly pointed out that a gentle accusation like this list could easily be a scum move to deflect suspicion. But his conversation today has been pretty good, so I'm leaning town.

- Tristan - Seems decent enough. leaning slightly town so far to me.

- Patrick - nothing solid, no read so far.

- Sheridan - got the scapegoat thing of course. Slight town read, mostly based on that claim.

- Michael - slight scum read here too, mostly due to quiet play as many others have pointed out.

[Purpearljellyblob]

Granted that the poisoner could be the Vig but we cannot disregard the fact that he/she could also be the SK.

The day kill and night kill probably means that this person had two kills on day 3, what do you make of this?

Sorry, given my short past life here in this land, I would have to admit day kills are kind of new to me. I am not sure if there is a role that can perform kills both in the day and in the night.

Anyway, I've spent a bit of time thinking about everything, and I have tried to find out who is most likely to be in the same scum group...

Well, I didn't count every small accusation, of course, but generally scum try to keep as far from each other as possible...

If you have any questions with regards to my behaviour, I am happy to answer them.

[TrumpetKing]

I'm not at all ready to pick out exact combinations, but of all the people on your lists:

*snip*

Nice analysis. I'd say I agree for the most part. I'll give my thoughts.

Perry's suspected scum:

Kane: I'd say he's been more helpful than others, and I'm more inclined to say town, probably 55/45.

Carletta: She's been strangely quiet lately, and I'm not sure what to make of it. I've read of her favorite characters from some classic novels by The Great Zephini and H.K. Inckley, and the characters were of different allegiances, yet they acted the same. I'd say 50/50.

Kenneth: Seems to do more scum-hunting than most of us. I'm just not sire what to think of him before his voice changed. I'd say 60/40 scum.

Prudence: She hasn't said much, but what she has said has seemed to be helpful for the most part. I'll have to look at her statements. Probably 55/45 scum.

Liz: She also hasn't said much, and it seems to me that she's kind of been forgotten, or even hiding in the middle. She has said some helpful things though. I'd say 50/50

Abigail: I can see some of the points against her, and I'd be OK with a lynch towards her, but at the same time, I'm not fully convinced she's scum.

Damien: Have to agree with Molly entirely. 50/50

Tony: Who? I almost forgot about him. He hasn't said much, I'd say 50/50.

Clay: I'm inclined to say town based on behavior. 60/40 town.

Boris: Well, I think he's one of the scummier here. I'm probably going to say 70/30 based on oddity.

I'll be back shortly with those excluded from the list.

[TrumpetKing]

Those excluded from Perry's list:

Perry: I'm going to say town based on behavior and apparently being cleared by Jessica. I'm going to say 70/30 town because we haven't gotten any discrepancies yet, but we might later.

Molly: I'm more inclined to say town after seeing her behavior. 55/45 town, I'd say.

Patrick: I'm kind of unsure about Patrick. I've noticed he's been verbal but I haven't seen anything that's really pinged me from him. I'm going to say 50/50.

Sheridan: I want to say town because of the miller claim, but there's something about her that's been bugging me today. Remember how I said that miller would be a very convenient claim? Well, Sheridan said she'd come back with thoughts. I've seen her here one or two times afterwards, and she hasn't came back with anything. This behavior is usually that of a scum trying to appear productive. This is where the miller claim comes in handy if she's scum. She can just be all casual-like and say "Hello, miller, remember?" and then get off relatively suspicion free. I'm going to say 55/45 town because of that one ping.

Michael: Do I even need to elaborate on this? I'm 80/20 scumread on him.

[mostlytechnic]

My one big hesitation with our (and I mean all of us, not just me and Tristan's latest posts) scumreads is that they're mostly based on lack of activity - the same reason we've been lynching people the last 2 days, and look at how well that's gone.

[Adam]

So, voting is finally open. I'll go with what I said before, and

vote: Abigail Nelson (Adam)

Frankly I'm a little confused. You have literally provided no supporting reasons behind voting for me. Up until this you've probably been the most helpful and logical person in the game, so this is kind of odd coming from you. I would like to hear your arguments against me so that I might respond to them.

Well, hello to you too, Michael. Would you care to answer my suspicions or are you just going to brush them off?

The second one I guess.

This blatant disregard of Clay's (CallMePie) accusations, on top of his general unhelpful behavior and "hey guyse, I'm Town, don't vote me" attitude, is what makes Michael (Mencot) my top suspicion right now.

Vote: Michael (Mencot)

My one big hesitation with our (and I mean all of us, not just me and Tristan's latest posts) scumreads is that they're mostly based on lack of activity - the same reason we've been lynching people the last 2 days, and look at how well that's gone.

This is a good point. I'm not a fan of policy lynching, and not just because I've read about certain loyal Tree Stumps who get attacked for inactivity. I think Beatrice (Bob) - or Bernice, or whatever - is the perfect example of this.

[Kadabra]

I'd like more than "slight scumread" if you're going to cast suspicion on me, Molly, because as it is I can't defend myself. Anyways, due to the fact that Boris has failed to defend himself adequately, Vote: Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder)

[CMP]

The Graceful Carletta Emilia Benita Anne-Marie Rosita Priscilla Lucia Annabelle Cecilia Maria Garcia Giuliana Vittoria Roberta Consuela Rosalina Margarita Puerta thinks making vague '50/50' '60/40' '55/45' remarks is a bit pointless. She thinks it's better to point out a few more solid suspicions than list cloudy comments on every single person.

My primary suspicions lie in Boris, Abigail, and Michael. The first has been particularly active, but his attempted help often involves some very odd logic and more than a little fluff. Foolish townie or foolish scum? Again, she cannot find any conclusion.

Abigail has been very quiet as of late, but is always prepared to put in her two cents when she does speak. But inactivity is no sure sign of scuminess. The Graceful Carletta is watching you.

Micheal fell quiet and fluffy after he was stuck in the spotlight for a short time on Day One. I don't think he's vanilla, else he'd be trying at least a little harder to maybe clear himself or make some meaningful contributions. The Graceful Carletta has her money on PR townie or scum. Seeing as how we've apparently lost our investigator (and quite possibly our vig, too), not to mention he hasn't led us to any conclusions through private dealings or otherwise....she is edging towards the latter. Vote: Micheal Thompson (Mencot).

[LegoDad]

Yes, I think that would be the best course of action. No idea who they are, but since they have killed our suspects, I don't want them revealed to the scum.

Anyway, I've spent a bit of time thinking about everything, and I have tried to find out who is most likely to be in the same scum group.

I assumed that there are six scum members, because that seems to be the usual number. With 15 people (excluding me) left alive, and six of them scum, there are 5005 possible combinations, and I eliminated all the ones I think are unlikely (due to people not working together, accusing each other etc.) and now there are five combinations of six people left that I think are likely.

These are:

- Kane

- Carletta

- Kenneth

- Prudence

- Liz

- Abigail

- Kane

- Damien

- Prudence

- Abigail

- Kenneth

and either Carletta or Tony

- Prudence

- Abigail

- Carletta

- Liz

- Kenneth

and either Clay or Boris

Prudence, Kenneth and Abigail are in all of them. I'm not sure if I'm accurate regarding Kenneth, he was very quiet on the first two days (before he changed comepletely), which distorts the results.

Also, I don't think Kane actually is scum, because he voted yesterday for Jessica, who was scumkilled last night. By the way, you may wonder why the scum killed Jessica? She was the investigator. My best guess is that they role-copped and then killed her. So, voting for your victim right before you kill them is not the smartest scum move (unless there's a bandwagon going on), which leads me to believe it was not a scum move at all. I'm not sure about Boris, though, who also voted for her, because he didn't start it and left it immediately, as if he was called back by his buddies.

Hence I think the most likely combinations are the last two ones.

These are some interesting lists, they have some similarities, but some wide ranging disparities as well. There have been some very openly challenged individuals not even make the lists. How were these made up again? I'm not offended I'm on a couple lists, but since I don't think I've had a single detractor in this town, except for showing up on this list, I'm not sure how I came up "scummy" all of a sudden. I also don't really like how convenient your story is for being able to comfirm yourself town. I'm not calling you a liar, just doesn't sit right with me, you will need to prove more to me for me to completely buy in to this.

OH so he speaks, nice to see you join in Chief, thought we had lost you there when we hadn´t heard any from you in awhile!

This has been pretty much Michael's M.O. since being in our town, speaking, but without really saying anything.

So the only evidence we ahve the Jessica was investigator is one claim by someone, who says she told them she was in PM after investigating them? That's thin... Although I'm sorta inclined to believe it since there hasn't been any counterclaim. If our investigator is still around, speak up so we know if he's lying here! Dang it sucks not having anyone we can trust for sure around here!

Agree with this - see if you can find anything out in private from your suspect first. That'll give away your suspicion to them, but seems worth it to see what they say. Making a public discussion would give it away too, so might as well start private and then move it public if justified.

Baker, that was quite the list of suspects you made there. Gotta say, I sorta suspect you're not far off. They're all people I'm keeping a close eye on.

As stated, pretty much my feelings here.

I honestly don't know who I find scummier between Boris or Michael. Both have been constant fluff talkers over the past 4 days. My vote will likely go to Michael though, unless he can convince us otherwise. Michael has been suspicious longer than Boris, it seems, and Boris at least acts like he's trying to help us, whereas Michael has done virtually nothing today but acknowledge the existence of Clay.

Yes, they both have little useful to say around here, but Boris does "seem" to be helping. Though it is possible he was caught trying to push a bandwagon for Jessica before she died. This has of course, been denied.

Sorry, given my short past life here in this land, I would have to admit day kills are kind of new to me. I am not sure if there is a role that can perform kills both in the day and in the night.

If you have any questions with regards to my behaviour, I am happy to answer them.

You're still here? I thought you had packed up and left town on the last train out of here. Good to see you are still around with us. Instead of answering questions we have, why don't you come up with some of your own thoughts and give them to us. We always need new ideas getting bounced around to find scum.

[mostlytechnic]

I'd like more than "slight scumread" if you're going to cast suspicion on me, Molly, because as it is I can't defend myself.

If I had anything specific, I'd say so. It's just a gut feel at this point, nothing more. And I don't take it too seriously, since all of our gut feelings so far have sucked.

The Graceful Carletta Emilia Benita Anne-Marie Rosita Priscilla Lucia Annabelle Cecilia Maria Garcia Giuliana Vittoria Roberta Consuela Rosalina Margarita Puerta thinks making vague '50/50' '60/40' '55/45' remarks is a bit pointless. She thinks it's better to point out a few more solid suspicions than list cloudy comments on every single person.

Micheal fell quiet and fluffy after he was stuck in the spotlight for a short time on Day One. I don't think he's vanilla, else he'd be trying at least a little harder to maybe clear himself or make some meaningful contributions. The Graceful Carletta has her money on PR townie or scum. Seeing as how we've apparently lost our investigator (and quite possibly our vig, too), not to mention he hasn't led us to any conclusions through private dealings or otherwise....she is edging towards the latter.

if I had specific things on ANYONE I'd be pointing them out. At this point, we have little to go on so vague is all we've got.

As for Michael - you're assuming a vanilla would defend themselves more vigorously, where either a PR or scum would be trying to stay out of sight to avoid too much attention from the other side? I can see that - with the caveat that once a PR started getting serious heat they'd defend themselves where a scum would stay more laid back (in general). So yeah, with that, I'd say he's more likely scum than PR.

[Tamamono]

Vote Count

Damien Long (Dannylonglegs) - 3 (penalty, penalty, penalty)

Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 3 (Trumpetking, Adam, CallMePie)

Abigail Nelson (Adam) - 1 (Peanuts)

Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder) - 1 (Kadabra)

44 hours remain until sunset.

[Dannylonglegs]

Your mother's death may have been a distracting part in this, but Connie's dead....

Well there goes my "Main Suspicion." I didn't read the first post very carefully. I was busy doing pig stuff.

That changes everything for me. Since Connie was my lead suspect for today and the poisoner killed her, I can't say I'm quite as ready to Lynch the poisoner. I'm still leaning on it being the SK (if there is no SK, then why is there the option for an Independent in the rules section? We clearly haven't caught said Independent, and what other role would an independent fill?) and the MO is still not reading vig for me. That said though, if the SK is dealing with our secondary suspects like a vig, we could probably afford to keep it around a little longer.

*Snip*

Wow, that was surprisingly helpful. I like that you've grouped your suspects into fitting teams... I gotta say, I'm a little envious of the time that likely took you. Like Liz, I'm not ready to agree with you wholeheartedly, but I think this is a step in the right direction.

I'm still suspicious of Boris and Michael, and to avoid a repeat of yesterday's fiasco, I'll vote now. Vote: Micheal (Mencot). I've been suspicious of him since day one, but he's still around and hasn't gotten any more helpful. I should have some free time soonish to really go over my thoughts on the matter, but for now, my vote stands as it is.

[Capt. Redblade]

I've been looking at some of the previous day threads, and I'm actually starting to think Boris is scummier than Michael. Looking at the voting patterns, Michael has been a little all over the place, but Boris has stayed more or less in the middle of the pack, which the old legends say is where scum like to hide.

Looking back at some of Boris' behaviour, there are some very odd moments here and there which come off as very bad medicine. Early in Day One, Boris seemed willing to accept Sheridan's Scapegoat/Miller claim... for about five minutes before he flipped and started pushing the idea of Sheridan's claim being a scum tactic. (The thread is locked, so this is the best I can do for quotes.)

I believe Sheridan is telling the truth. The first post being a roleclaim is unusual, but I believe it, just because of how outrageous It is. The odds of a scum pulling a move like that, that gives us a potentially productive start are practically nonexistent.

It does seem to me like it has the towns best intentions at heart, but I can't fully trust her yet.

Damien, you do make a good point that it is a convenient claim for a potential scum, but why on earth would a Scum pull such a audacious gambit before anything at all has happened?

Sorry, from my perspective there seemed to be an air of accusation. Rereading it, I completely disagree with your final statement Damien.

What has a scum got to gain from a move like that? A free pass through investigations, potentially a few people trusting them completely, maybe even a few other people claiming. There would be benefits for a scum claiming.

A stupid scum claim, but one that would have potential benefits for a Scum nonetheless.

On Day Two, we had the rather bizarre metagamey vote for Esther and his rather shaky attempts to defend it. We were all there for that so I don't know that it bears repeating, but suffice to say that came off as rather scummy.

Now, Day Three is where it starts to get interesting.

Interesting. Your line about Esther first sounds like it is more of a personality problem you had with her, but then becomes reasonableish.

Connie, you don't have to reveal your suspicions, but it puts pressure on them, which increases the chance of them slipping up. That is a good thing. So you don't have to reveal all your suspects but the occasional one is good.

Why would he say that? This game... of life that we are playing living is all about voicing suspicions and talking things over. So why would you encourage her to keep them private?

I'm not sure who to vote really. Good points have been raised against 3 people, but I find the point Kane raised about the relatively unsuspected Jessica. She has been flying under the radar, and has been a fluffy poster so far. Therefore, I shall Vote: Jessica (Jamesn) .

Boris was quick to vote for Jessica after Kane brought up that she had flown under the radar and was being fluffy, but backed off almost as quickly when Jessica called Boris out for the exact same behaviour for which he was calling her out in the first place.

Fair enough, I've got what I wanted. You've given a defence. Unvote:Jessica (Jamesn)

And Beatrice, people want explanations and a defence from you, as do I.

At the end of the day, Boris voted for Beatrice, with this less-than-stellar explanation.

To avoid penalty votes, and to lynch who I believe is worse, Vote: Beatrice (Bob)

For being unhelpful, and not answering any questions put to him.

It is for this suspicious behaviour and his rather fluffy play style that I will Vote: Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder).

[Mencot]

Seem like I need to start trying a bit more, don´t know though how, I have tried the averge best I can.

As I said in the Confirmation and Discussion thread for this game I will be busy working in the mines (yesterday and today, weekend, real time) and will be more active again tomorrow (can be it is too late for me then) but I will try to confront my accusers then more. But that i have to say, I am not then only one how haven´t contributed so much, in my own opinion I have been active and posting and commenting (ok without any contribution but I have been active (not today)) because there are others and many have been lynched for this and all of them have been town so far.

And so am I, no I don´t have any PR, not on town side nor scum.

I agree I have also hunted the fluff talkers and non actives (Aunt B the best ex.) but that maybe isn´t the best way because the scum has a good way of jumping and starting bandvagons based on non-activity and claming that this person isn´t contibuting anything to this game.

And I believe with strong mind that one of these persons driveing a bandvagon lynch on me now is a scum, but I don´t know whom of them (

Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 3 (Trumpetking, Adam, CallMePie)

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´bout the list Perry said, have no idea about that yet, it is too early to say for me because I can´t trust anyone, no one has given so strong role behaviour that I can say that he/she is town, all are pretty much town/scum in my eyes still, Molly and (Kadabra, what is his role name) is ones that I feel are more town.

[Scubacarrot]

Votes: Day 1: Caleb Norman (Captain Nemo) - 10 (Scubacarrot, Mencot, jamesn, Peanuts, Adam, LegoDad, Purpearljellyblob, Esurient, TinyPiesRUs, mostlytechnic)

Esther Thompson (Esurient) - 8 (Kadabra, CallMePie, Trumpetking, Darkdragon, TheBoyWonder, Captain Nemo, Clanure)

Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 4 (Capt. Redblade, Bob, Dannylonglegs, Kristel)

Sheridan Thompson (Scubacarrot) - 1 (Zakura)

Beatrice Kingsley (Bob) - 1 (PirateDave84)

No vote - 1 (KielDaMan)

Day 2:Esther Thompson (Esurient) - 17 (LegoDad, Trumpetking, TheBoyWonder, Kadabra, Bob, Kristel, CallMePie, Capt. Redblade, mostlytechnic, PirateDave84, Purpearljellyblob, Dannylonglegs, Adam, Scubacarrot, Peanuts, Zakura, Clanure)

Kenneth Emanuel (KielDaMan) - 4 (penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty)

Patrick Devon (PirateDave84) - 1 (TinyPiesRUs)

Beatrice Kingsley (Bob) - 1 (Mencot

Jessica Nelson (jamesn) - 1 (Esurient)

Kane DeBois (Kadabra) - 1 (jamesn)

No vote - 1 (KielDaMan)

Day 3: Beatrice Kingsley (Bob) - 8 (Mencot, Clanure, LegoDad, Trumpetking, Capt. Redblade, Purpearljellyblob, TheBoyWonder, TinyPiesRUs)

Connie Radford (Clanure) - 7 (Scubacarrot, Adam, Peanuts, CallMePie, mostlytechnic, Bob, PirateDave84)

Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder) - 2 (jamesn, Kadabra)

Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 1 ( fhomess)

No vote - 1 (Dannylonglegs)

Not really helpful, I'm sorry to say, it'd help if we had a scum, of course. All of the main suspects we have had as a town have turned up town. I'm trying to see who came up with suspects first, as we have had 5 main suspects, but that's going fairly slowly. Apparantly I'm the first accuser of Caleb...

As for this whole investigation thing. It sucks to lose our investigator, it's possible she investigated the Godfather and got unlucky (in which case, Perry's supposed to be the godfather), it's also possible she was rolecopped and subsequently killed or the scum were just lucky with that kill, we don't know. I can't grasp Perry's three possible combinations, I don't see it, at all.

I'm going to vote for Boris for now, he has been consistantly on the fence, kind of awkward, changing opinions left and right. I'll be honest, I don't have any better suspects...

Vote: Boris (TheBoywonder)

[TrumpetKing]

Michael, I appreciate you attempting to clarify things. You're right, you aren't the only one who hasn't contributed much, and a lot of us have brought that up. The problem is though, that your behavior so far has made you appear scummier than others who haven't contributed. It's interesting to note that you say you've been active but posting things without substance. Your genuine honesty is making me want to reconsider my vote, and Clay's case against Boris is really influencing me there as well. However, how do we know that you'll be able to contribute? If you have any way of elaborating on any of your opinions and explaining your oddities, such as posts consisting of that soft, fluffy material used in the teddy that my Aunt B gave me, then I'll think about changing my vote around to Boris.

[TheBoyWonder]

Right.

I do have it when people quote me out of context. We were discussing why a scum would claim miller. So that invalidates your point about changing opinions on Day 1. I never once encouraged Connie to keep her suspicions private rather I did the opposite. I have explained several times why I voted for Esther, it wwasn't just because of megagaming.

Give me actual questions that I can answer.

[fhomess]

I think people need to look at disconnecting behavior more than just who's been fluffy and not. The case against Michael, in my mind, starts with fluffiness but is amplified by his odd reaction to Tristan's vote analysis that was presented early yesterday. It really struck me that Michael was trying to steer Tristan away from looking at the voters absent from the Day 2 bandwagon on Esther. It's disappointing to see so many people still voting based on lack of contribution rather than looking for content in what others are saying that is inconsistent with townie behavior.

While I'm not really sure how Perry came up with his lists, it seems to be populated with people who haven't been as active in accusing back and forth. It's almost like another list of quiet people. The absence of certain individuals is indeed notable. That said, I have also had some concerns about Abigail, who Perry ended up voting for (with rather little explanation). Abigail's speculation on the vig's identity on Day 2 seemed almost as if it came from a perspective of having information that the rest of us didn't. In addition, I didn't much care for the way she voted for Connie. It was a piling on bandwagon vote "to get her talking", and at that stage of the voting, I felt like that was a bit of a convenient place to hide. In addition, Abigail's response to Perry was not to give any indication of how she has actually been helping, but rather demanding more from Perry.

Vote: Abigail Nelson (Adam)

Michael, you are by no means beyond my radar.

[MagPiesRUs]

Perry's suspected scum:

...

Kenneth: Seems to do more scum-hunting than most of us. I'm just not sire what to think of him before his voice changed. I'd say 60/40 scum.

What's changed between today and yesterday? Because yesterday, trusted Kenneth enough to give him your vote. Now you're 60% sure he's scum?

I'm not convinced that Michael is scum. His demeanor yesterday struck me as townie, though he hasn't really done himself any favours today. He seems like an easy lynch that the scum are always happy to pounce on, and lo and behold, he has four votes already. I have the same feeling about Boris too. Neither have been particularly helpful, but to me they seems a little too passionate and adventuristic to be scum. As for Abigail, it's possible she's scum. She's been staying way below the radar, but when she does speak, she tends to make valid points.

I'm going to Vote: The Magnificent Carletta Maria Puerta (CallMePie), for being too middle-of-the-line and for never bringing anything new to the table.

[Scubacarrot]

What's changed between today and yesterday? Because yesterday, trusted Kenneth enough to give him your vote. Now you're 60% sure he's scum?

That's actually a really good observation. I can't think of a good enough excuse for that. Unvote: Boris (theboywonder) Vote: Tristan (Trumpetking)

[Purpearljellyblob]

I re-read the thread again and found these posts rather off.

Shortly after Perry listed his long list of suspects, Abigail responded to Perry with the following post(s):

I'm not quite sure how to respond to your inclusion of my name in these theoretical scum groups, because you haven't provided any reasoning behind the names within.

While I don't know all of what your criteria was for creating these lists, keep in mind that making minor accusations of your teammates is a fairly common scum strategy, because it safeguards them if the other person is killed/lynched and turns up scum.

The first part seemed like a reasonable response asking for clarification, but the second part seemed rather off. Abigail, I would like to know why did you subtly suggest that Perry is scum without hearing his clarification first?

As for the information about my mother (jamesn), this makes her death even more tragic (I'm assuming that you learned about her role via PM). I guess with eight Townies gone it had to be expected that at least one of them might have a power role. I would also like to hear if you know anything about investigation results, but I'd like those results to be corroborated by at least one other person who was in contact with my mother (jamesn).

It would be quite easy for the scum to take a random dead Townie, call him or her the investigator, and use that to move suspicion off of the other Coyotes. Furthermore, I'm interested to know who else, if anyone, knew about my mother (jamesn) and her role.

Same question to you Abigail, why did you subtly suggest that Perry is scum without hearing his clarification?

Frankly I'm a little confused. You have literally provided no supporting reasons behind voting for me.

Up until this you've probably been the most helpful and logical person in the game, so this is kind of odd coming from you. I would like to hear your arguments against me so that I might respond to them.

First part [unbolded] - asking for clarification

Second part [bolded] - subtly suggest Perry is scum?

And Abigail, you have done the same thing 3 times after being called out. Care to justify why did you do that?

This blatant disregard of Clay's (CallMePie) accusations, on top of his general unhelpful behavior and "hey guyse, I'm Town, don't vote me" attitude, is what makes Michael (Mencot) my top suspicion right now.

Vote: Michael (Mencot)

I believe Perry hasn't come by to answer your questions yet, so why the rush to vote for Michael? If you think Perry is rather weird, shouldn't you wait till you have heard from Perry, happy with his justification, before you cast your eyes elsewhere?

This is a good point. I'm not a fan of policy lynching, and not just because I've read about certain loyal Tree Stumps who get attacked for inactivity. I think Beatrice (Bob) - or Bernice, or whatever - is the perfect example of this.

Again, I noticed your two part post.

First part [unbolded] - reasonable comment (not a fan of policy lynching)

Second part [bolded] - subtly suggesting people to metagame you so as to justify your inactivity?

You can vote for me if you want to, but that wouldn´t help town any!

it is Clay, he just bugs me out and it isn´t his comments against me it is something else in his behaviour, I can´t just put my finger on it what it is. Have to study is comments

I guess I will be waiting for you to come back with some comments on Clay.

As for this whole investigation thing. It sucks to lose our investigator, it's possible she investigated the Godfather and got unlucky (in which case, Perry's supposed to be the godfather), it's also possible she was rolecopped and subsequently killed or the scum were just lucky with that kill, we don't know. I can't grasp Perry's three possible combinations, I don't see it, at all.

Good point and I agree with you on the possibilities.

[CMP]

I'm going to Vote: The Magnificent Carletta Maria Puerta (CallMePie), for being too middle-of-the-line and for never bringing anything new to the table.

The Fabulous Carletta Emilia Benita Anne-Marie Rosita Priscilla Lucia Annabelle Cecilia Maria Louisa Garcia Giuliana Vittoria Roberta Consuela Rosalina Margarita Puerta would prefer you to use her full name.

She'll admit to being middle-of-the-line, but what new things does she have to bring to the table but her suspicions?

[Peanuts]

Frankly I'm a little confused. You have literally provided no supporting reasons behind voting for me. Up until this you've probably been the most helpful and logical person in the game, so this is kind of odd coming from you. I would like to hear your arguments against me so that I might respond to them.

Yeah, I see that I should have provided a bit more explanation.

Let's just start with my analysis of people on the list:

Kane: Despite him being is on most of them, I think he is town. He voted for Jessica just before the scum killed her. No scum in their right mind would try and start a lynch on the investigator. Apart from that, he seems to be genuinely trying to help.

Prudence: Hasn't been the most active, but certainly has given some input. She's not entirely flown under the radar, which is why I voted for Abigail over her; however, going the middle road is typical scum play and while she actually made several accusations and helped with all the bandwagons in the past, as we all know the people who were lynched were all town (not trying to blame her for lynching town, that's everyone's fault, just saying). Basically, what distiguishes her from other people who took the middle road is that she is on my list.

Abigail: Hasn't been helping a lot. Most of her contributions were speculation about roles and the set-up, and on the beginning of the second day she openly speculated about the vigilante (even though she thought it was a scum kill, like most of us).

Liz: Not much on Day One; she contributed a lot more on the second and the third day, but nothing overwhelming. She was slightly more helpful than Abigail, though.

Carletta: You added nothing to the town. Nothing whatsoever.

Kenneth: That one's a bit tricky, since you can't be held responsible for what you said (or didn't say) a long time ago (that is, two days ago). You were a bit more helpful lately, but nothing that convinces me you aren't scum.

Clay: Some early accusations against Esther, Zack and Michael; he didn't say a lot, but when he said something, it was actually helpful. I'm leaning on him being town and Boris being scum, but I'm not sure. It's notably that he voted for Esther even when we still thought she had an action.

Damien: I've been slightly suspicious of him, but I've come to believe that he's town. Fun fact: Jessica was going to investigate him the night she died.

Tony: Very few contributions, making it very hard to get a read on him. No idea, could be either. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because the only group he is in on my list is with Kane, who I think is town. But yeah, that's not much, really.

Boris: He also voted for Jessica, just like Kane, but maybe he thought he could bandwagon her. And then he quickly unvoted, perhaps because his buddies told him that was a stupid idea. It's a clear mistake for scum, but it's a mistake I can see him make. I think he is scum.

Honorable mention; Michael: He has been acting wird, and has not helped the town a lot with his ramblings, but I'm afraid he might be another Esther. Confused town, maybe. Not sure. Out of all the people not on my list, he is the most suspicious.

With that said, my list is based on which combination of six people is improbable to be scum. One flaw would be if there are not, in fact, six people in the scum team. I'll just assume six because that's a natural number considering the amount of people in this town.

Where could I err? I think, the person who is most likely to wrongfully be included in the scum team I think is most likely (Prudence, Abigail, Liz, Carletta, Kenneth, Clay/Boris) is Kenneth. The person who is most likely to not be included is Michael, due to the fact that he has almost been bandwagonned before.

I'll keep my vote on Abigail, for now. To me, she's the most suspcious here.

By the way, Jessioca was suspicious of Boris before she died, but because he switched his vote from Connie to Beatrice while pretending to be policy voting. Because of that, she said she came to think Connie was scum and Beatrice town the night before she died, but as we all know now, that's not true. Just in case anyone cares to know.

[Tamamono]

Vote Count

Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 4 (Trumpetking, Adam, CallMePie, Dannylonglegs)

Damien Long (Dannylonglegs) - 3 (penalty, penalty, penalty)

Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder) - 2 (Kadabra, Capt. Redblade)

Abigail Nelson (Adam) - 2 (Peanuts, fhomess)

Carletta Maria Puerta (CallMePie) - 1 (TinyPiesRUs)

Tristan Kingsley (Trumpetking) - 1 (Scubacarrot)

32 hours remain until Sunset.

[Piratedave84]

I'm back!

So to follow-up on my previous statement, I have been discouraged (through PM) from pursuing my case against the person I suspect to be the SK seeing that there is a chance that this person is the vig which I admit is a possibility.

I see that the primary targets today are Boris and Michael and if I had to choose between the two, I would probably pick Michael at this point based on his day 1 behavior and the fact that most of his posts are characterized by him agreeing or commenting on other people's opinions; heck, Michael even acknowledged he contributes very little pertinent information while he based his previous 2 votes on said lack of contributions:

Seem like I need to start trying a bit more, don´t know though how, I have tried the averge best I can.

As I said in the Confirmation and Discussionthread for this game I will be busy working in the mines (yesterday and today, weekend, real time) and will be more active again tomorrow (can be it is too late for me then) but I will try to confront my accusers then more. But that i have to say, I am not then only one how haven´t contributed so much, in my own opinion I have been active and posting and commenting (ok without any contribution but I have been active (not today)) because there are others and many have been lynched for this and all of them have been town so far.

And so am I, no I don´t have any PR, not on town side nor scum.

I agree I have also hunted the fluff talkers and non actives (Aunt B the best ex.) but that maybe isn´t the best way because the scum has a good way of jumping and starting bandvagons based on non-activity and claming that this person isn´t contibuting anything to this game.

And I believe with strong mind that one of these persons driveing a bandvagon lynch on me now is a scum, but I don´t know whom of them ()

´bout the list Perry said, have no idea about that yet, it is too early to say for me because I can´t trust anyone, no one has given so strong role behaviour that I can say that he/she is town, all are pretty much town/scum in my eyes still, Molly and (Kadabra, what is his role name) is ones that I feel are more town.

Also what is average best? sounds to me like you are saying that you try to appear to contribute but, by your admittance, are failing at doing so.

There is another person I feel deserves a bit if scrutiny; Liz Devon

Liz has voted middle of the pack on day 1 but started the voting/lynch/bandwagon on Day 2 and voted early on day 3.

Here are those vote's justifications:

Posted 26 June 2013 - 04:46 PM

We seem to be focused in on Caleb, Sheridan, and Esther today. Summarizing my thoughts, many have made the same.

While I am uneasy about the PR claim by Esther, I would hate to be wrong about it, would be a good Watch candidate if we have one. I also don't like the fact that she doesn't want to claim until it's too late? Why do that? Why claim in the first place if you're not going to do anything about it until you're already as good as gone? I also don't buy the "scum or dumb", I met Esther in another one of these cow towns, she was far from dumb.

Sheridan coming right out of the gate swinging with the scapegoat claim was very odd to me, but I'm pretty green to this as well, so there may be precedent that I'm unfamiliar with. I can also see where a scum would make the claim as it will be hard to prove. Also, if Sheridan is scum, and a goon, they could put a watcher(if they have one, again) on her see who is Role-Copping(if there is one) her, and get rid of a Power Role for the price of a goon since they would have that information and the Town probably wouldn't have that Town PR's identity yet, making it easy for the Scum to get rid of them, and then claim the role. Not a bad scenario for the Coyote team if they have decent size. Am I way off base with this thinking?? Since she has stated she has no role, she is a less risky lynch than Esther, who, while possibly scum, is also possibly a Town PR, and if we're wrong, would be a terrible lynch.

Caleb seems to be flailing a bit now (though Esther has done so as well) and seems to be attacking about every comment made, trying to keep the heat down. I just find this the scummiest right now with the apparent least amount of risk. I don't trust the other 2 either, but this is my vote for now. If anything comes up making Esther or Sheridan a better pick, I will revisit my vote.

Vote: Caleb (Captain Nemo)

Here a lengthy-ish case case is made against Sheridan whom she initially says is less risky but then proceeds to vote Caleb based on his flailing and then says the HE is the less risky.

Posted 29 June 2013 - 01:10 PM

Dannylonglegs, on 29 June 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

My thoughts can be summed up as this: Did you learn anything that can be useful to a Lynch today? If the answer is no, Do Not Claim Publicly. Any information the scum gets can and will be used against us.

I think that fact that we all know(or assume) she has a role and hasn't come forth with any information whether privately or publicly speak volumes.

Vote: Esther Thompson (Esurient)

I will change my vote to Zachary if you can come up with some information that shows you are town. Otherwise, I think you're just messing with us.

Here it is explicitly sad that you think Esther has a PR and yet you vote for her.

Having never dealt with a poisoner before, I don't know much about it, but this does seem to mesh with Zachary's odd statements. If he knew he was going to die, though, wouldn't the only person who wanted to be lynched if he already knew he was going to die be a scum? A Townie would probably tell the folks that he had been poisoned and was going to die, so don't waste a vote on him and focus on someone else since he was a lost cause. That's the way I see it at least. If I knew I was marked for death and had 1 more day to live before the toxin got me and was on the chopping block, as a Townie, I think I would tell people what had happened.

I must admit, most of my scum-dar on him was due to these odd statements, though he was fishing for results early on before the defeatist attitude. My next in line that I felt needed a little prodding was Beatrice. I agree that Connie doesn't talk a lot, but I'm not convinced it makes her scummy yet. Beatrice has been pretty much downright fluffy, stating the obvious.

Vote: Beatrice (Bob)

Connie and Beatrice both did not speak a lot was the choice arbitrary?

In the quotes above I also italicized the fact that both on day 1 and 2, Liz said she would revisit should something else arise and on both days, something did come up which could/should/would warant her changing her vote based on the 'parameters' she had set for changing her vote.

I am not ready to commit to a vote right now but I will say that I am most certainly not going to vote for a lurker today as this had proven to be a shitty approach so far, my bet is that the scum team we are dealing with are either very-active or mid-fielders and not lurkers hence my suspicions of Michael and Liz.