Piratedave84 Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 SNIP Let me ask this... among those who knew of the suspicion on me as a potential SK or vig candidate, but didn't know of the role cop result on Kimberly, were any of them pushing to paint me as the vig? Those would be the people I'd be most suspicious of if you are among those in the know on this.\ Who else knew about the role cop? SNIP In our discussion, I brought up the subject of you possibly being the poisoner and we did weigh the possiblity of the poisoner (you?) being the vig; there was no apparent influence from Tristan's part and I don't think I tried to do so myslef. I only learnt of the role cop at the same time as the rest of you and as Molly pointed out, if the cop claimed to Tristan yesterday (RL) it means we were discussing this theory a day or so (RL) before the info about the cop's results was made public.
Mencot Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 Well, I appreciate the vote of confidence (and you're right, I AM 100% town) but still, this seems overconfident given that we have so little to go on. Oh well maybe a bit over exaggerated. But what I meant with it, you are the one I most trust to be town, then kane, Clay. The others are pretty 50/50. Some like Liz and Patrick are over 50, meaning they are town in my eyes but not as sure as of Molly and Kane. There are several problems with Tristan's argument, aside from it not being true. I will publicly state that I have no killing action. I am town, not neutral, but I am not the vig, if we even have one. If I was the SK prior to my personality crisis, I would expect that there would've been additional poisonings. Additionally, it doesn't make any sense for any player to be given an extra chance at a kill simply due to personality crises. There is something else going on with the poisoner that allows them to kill at various times. I don't know what it is, but I am not involved in it in any way. Furthermore, if Tristan had been in contact with a role cop who got a killer result on Kimberly and Kimberly is now dead, and this is the reason Tristan believes me to be the poisoner... then I don't understand why Tristan didn't vote for me earlier or why I'm not higher up on his scum list. Town needs to eradicate all threats, not just the Red Coyotes, so Tristan should've voted me instead of voting for a relatively uncertain scum read like Michael. I think it's irrefutable that the scum have a role cop given that we know Jessica was killed and was the investigator. Whether or not the role cop that Tristan is talking to is the scum role cop or not, again I have no idea. I do firmly believe that scum will try to use this suspicion to off a useful member of the town. Now, does all of this make Tristan scum? Again, I'm not really sure. Tristan's caution in presenting this case could be scum hoping to fall in line with town's thinking. This would be particularly true if it were a scum role cop buddy of his that he was in cahoots with on this theory. It could also be that Tristan really is a concerned townie trying to do the right thing and being cautious. At the moment, I lean towards the latter because of earlier conversations I've had with Tristan. Let me ask this... among those who knew of the suspicion on me as a potential SK or vig candidate, but didn't know of the role cop result on Kimberly, were any of them pushing to paint me as the vig? Those would be the people I'd be most suspicious of if you are among those in the know on this.\ Who else knew about the role cop? For now, I will: Unvote: Abigail Nelson (Adam) Vote: Michael Thompson (Mencot) Abigail has done enough for me to remove my vote, and Michael I still find suspicious for the reasons stated earlier today and yesterday. Hmm I don´t know that vote on me seem more like a bandvagon, sorry but it seems that way Kenneth
Purpearljellyblob Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 I still can't wrap my head around how the poisoner can make a day kill and a night kill on Day 3. "´Bout Clay, still bugs me out but rereading some of his comments I find that he is more helmpful than scummy, especially today." Lets rephrase, his attitude how he brings out stuff bugs me but I didn´t find any strange that i did remember, i only found more info on that he most likely is town. But still bugged out by how he brings out things but I guess it is his style then! As I guess my style bugs a lot of people here out but that doesn´t mean I am scum, you have to judge me by something else and so I judge Clay by his action. I am still not convinced why you decided to pull in Clay when people suspected you and wanted to vote for you. I don't think style has got anything to do with it. Vote: Michael Thompson (Mencot)
Tamamono Posted July 8, 2013 Author Posted July 8, 2013 Vote Count Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 6 (Trumpetking, Adam, CallMePie, Dannylonglegs, fhomess, Purpearljellyblob) Damien Long (Dannylonglegs) - 3 (penalty, penalty, penalty) Tristan Kingsley (Trumpetking) - 2 (Scubacarrot, Capt. Redblade) Kenneth Emanuel (fhomess) - 2 (PirateDave84, mostlytechnic) Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder) - 1 (Kadabra) No Vote - 5 (TinyPiesRUs, TheBoyWonder, LegoDad, Mencot, Peanuts) Only 6 hours remain until Sunset. Vote!!
Dannylonglegs Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 Wow, allot has happened. Tristan's one of the few I see as being consistantly active in the scum-hunt, and I'm plesantly surprised to hear that he's been in contact with a role-cop. I'm not pleased to hear that Kristel was our vig. That makes two dead PRs if everyone is to be believed. I'm inclined to believe that Tristan is not lying, but it remains to be seen whether his Rolecop is lying or not. I'm also not too trusting to exclude the possibility that this whole thing could be a scum gambit, but the thought strikes me as a bit far fetched at this point in the game of life. Scum gambits are usually reserved for the last day, and unless I'm horribly wrong about something, we should still have a few more to go. If Kenneth really is the SK (I suggest that this get's confirmed somehow), then we'd need to lynch him eventually. Now that we know his identity (again, if it is him) he has no more real incentive to work with us, considering that we'd need him gone, and therefore he's a threat to us. All that said, I'm not ready to Lynch Kenneth yet. I think the possibility that we could be wrong about him is too high, and we really can't afford to lose another Townie. I'm sticking with my vote for Michael. He's come on and seemingly tried to help, but he's been on the chopboard each day, only to avoid the Lynch. Even today, for all the support his vote seemingly has, not even half of the Town has voted for him. All this coupled with all of his fluffy posts and strange behavior, leads me to believe he is scum. Actions speak louder than words in this case.
LegoDad Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 I'm also not ready to vote for Kenneth, we are still under assumptions about his role at this point, nothing is remotely close to concrete at this point. I see where you guys are coming from on this angle, though. If something can be determined about him regarding him being a non town killer, I will vote that way, be it today, tomorrow, whenever. Carletta appears to be comfirmed as Vanilla, whether it is town or scum, we don't know, but she(and Tony) apparently have no roles. Boris, to me, does still seem to be helping the town, I don't find him too scummy, same can be said for Abigail, I don't get an overall scum feel from her. I'm going to follow along with what Perry and Tristan have said so far, as they don't have any detractors calling their bluff. It seems to be on the up and up right now, though it's still a bit convoluted. This really leads me to my last suspect, Michael. From early weird behavior to going after Clay for no real reason, I just don't get what he's trying to do. I want to believe that he's town, but I feel that way about a lot of people, and it can't be that way, since there HAS to be Coyotes among us. Some folks that I think are town must be Coyotes, just are hiding it well. I know this is going to look bandwagon, but really, Michael, to me, is the best lynch prospect AT THIS TIME. There isn't much time for things to change, I realize that, but maybe something will come up for us. Vote: Michael (Mencot)
Mencot Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 What I can say now is I have tried to change your heads but it seems my early days faults will haunt me till the end. ´Bout Prudence or what her name is, bringing up what I said about Clay all the time, I don´t understand. I am convinced Now that he is town, I don´t like him but I see him has town, didn´t find any strange in his comments even as I re and reread them. About Tristan, Perry and Kenneth, SK, Role-cop drama, hard to say, this or that at this time. Who is lying, time will tell, we will just have to vote for someone and look what happens. And I haven´t been speaking in PM with anyone about these cases so I don´t really know much, just that what has been said in public. Others who has had PMs have to come forward with their info. I am going to still quote my saying a third time, you people will find a scum in my four original lynchers (Tristan:Trumpetking, Adam, Carletta:CallMePie, Damian: Dannylonglegs,) now they are more ofcourse because the bandvagon has started. I said earlier this evening (today, real time) that Carletta maybe is town but if the role-cops info is correct and she is vanilla, the she can be either, town or scum. I know this is going to look bandwagon, but really, Michael, to me, is the best lynch prospect AT THIS TIME. There isn't much time for things to change, I realize that, but maybe something will come up for us. Vote: Michael (Mencot) You gotta do what you gotta do I guess but I am one of the town, I have no PR. But you will find that out tomorrow then that I was and hopefuly will start getting lucky finding those damn Coyotes. Still one thing I say, whom ever the poisoner is, he/she is neutral yes. And take him/her out before it is too late, altough it seems now he is doing the town a favour, he/she as it´s own winning conditions and needs to be removed. I am not convinced whom to vote for, scum is hiding very well maybe I will vote for one of my lynchers that I find scum or then I won´t. Still a bit time before sunset!
TheBoyWonder Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 I do not want any penalty votes, and I don't like the way Michael seemed to pass suspicion onto Clay without ever stating reasons scummy. Therefore I shall Vote: Michael Thompson (Mencot)
Mencot Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 Still ´bout Prudence, she seems to be obsessed with the Clay thing and seems to not let it go altough I would say anything. But I have seen this behaivour is some scum (not saying she would be) not all scum behave, maybe it is the dumb ones. But they seem not to stop pokeing an peaking on one thing altough "million" things happen around them, they just follow the peaking one person and obviously trying to get others to notice this and start a bandvagon. Not saying the case is it here but it seem strange. Because I explained the thing already, I was bugged out by Clay´s persona and found him a bit suspicious! Reread his comments on all days so far and saw his comments today and change my mind on that maybe he isn´t so suspicious after all, more like a town PR guy. I do not want any penalty votes, and I don't like the way Michael seemed to pass suspicion onto Clay without ever stating reasons scummy. Therefore I shall Vote: Michael Thompson (Mencot) Can you people read, I don´t pass suspicion on to Clay.... I am saying he is town and I trust him. Prudence and now you Boris claim I am doing that. My scum rader so Pings now. Not that it matters much any more A miracle will save me now So I Vote: Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder)
Adam Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 This development between Tristan (TrumpetKing) and Kenneth (fhomess) is quite unexpected - from his hinting at the start of the day I assumed that Tristan (TrumpetKing) thought that Kenneth (fhomess) was the vigilante, because the timing thing sort of makes sense. However, I'm curious why a Role Cop would claim to Tristan (TrumpetKing), and I'm wondering if there is anyway to corroborate this person's claim. Right now, with us supposedly down an Investigator, I'm not sure that there is one. While I would agree that it would sort of make sense for Kenneth (fhomess) to get a make-up day kill after being born again, I think there are a variety of other possibilities that need to be explored. The Poisoner could have been blocked during those first nights, or his (or her) targets may have been protected. He or she may have chosen to abstain from killing. Furthermore, I remember the original Kenneth (KielDaMan) being fairly active on the first day, so I struggle to see why he would've failed to send in a night action. None of this explains the day kill, but I think we shouldn't jump to conclusions. For now I'm keeping my vote on Michael (Mencot). In my opinion, we know too little about the Poisoner and the Role Cop to justify lynching Kenneth (fhomess) right now.
Kadabra Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 Poisoner kills are time delayed. Even if Kenneth was sending in actions, we wouldn't have seen them. Poisoner kills occur either during the next night or during the day after that night, depending on if the host wants the poisoned to be able to perform another NA. i.e. Poisoner targets Person A on N1. D2, Person A is fine. N2, Person A sends in action and it goes through. D3, Person A dies. Or Poisoner targets Person A on N1. D2, Person A is fine. N2, Person A dies, rendering his/her action meaningless.
Peanuts Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 Poisoner kills are time delayed. Even if Kenneth was sending in actions, we wouldn't have seen them. Poisoner kills occur either during the next night or during the day after that night, depending on if the host wants the poisoned to be able to perform another NA. i.e. Poisoner targets Person A on N1. D2, Person A is fine. N2, Person A sends in action and it goes through. D3, Person A dies. Or Poisoner targets Person A on N1. D2, Person A is fine. N2, Person A dies, rendering his/her action meaningless. Huh? Are you saying that the host decides wheter or not he wants the killed person to execute their night action? My best guess would be that there's some simple explanation for the inconsistency. I don't know, really. I think Kenneth may be saying the truth when he insists that he is not the poisoner, so I don't feel comfortable voting for him. It seems Michael is going to die, but I actually believe he's another Esther rather than real scum. There's only one person I really think I can voet for in good conscience, and that's Boris. I never particularly trusted him, his behavior has always been odd and he tried to bandwagon our investigator. Vote: Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder) I hope you are doing the right thing when you lynch Michael (at least it doesn't look like he's getting off the hook anymore), but frankly, I highly doubt it.
MagPiesRUs Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 I'm still unconvinced that Michael is scum. Though it won't change anything, I'm going to stick with my gut feeling and vote: Carletta Maria Puerta (CallMePie)
Kadabra Posted July 8, 2013 Posted July 8, 2013 No, the host usually decides one way or another before the game and sticks with it. It just felt to me like some of you were assuming Kenneth=poisoner because there wern't poisoner kills, then there were poisoner kills after fhomess subbed in. I'm just saying that we wouldn't have seen poisoner kills until Night 2/Day 3 regardless of who the poisoner was, theday kill is still very irregular and should be looked into.
Tamamono Posted July 9, 2013 Author Posted July 9, 2013 Final Vote Count Michael Thompson (Mencot) - 8 (Trumpetking, Adam, CallMePie, Dannylonglegs, fhomess, Purpearljellyblob, LegoDad, TheBoyWonder) Damien Long (Dannylonglegs) - 3 (penalty, penalty, penalty) Boris Wheeler (TheBoyWonder) - 3 (Kadabra, Mencot, Peanuts) Tristan Kingsley (Trumpetking) - 2 (Scubacarrot, Capt. Redblade) Kenneth Emanuel (fhomess) - 2 (PirateDave84, mostlytechnic) Carletta Maria Puerta (CallMePie) - 1 (TinyPiesRUs) ~~~ As the sun sets again, a small crowd surrounds Michael Thompson. "What kind of lynch mob is this!?" he yells. "4 women, a child, a lawyer, and a simpleton!?" Michael's insults don't faze the crowd, however. "Kill him!!!", they yell. "Eat him!" "Stop shouting random things!!" "Screw this!" Michael yells as he throws down his hat. "I can take all these fools! The megablock soldiers too!" However, he didn't notice a certain lawman standing behind him. "You forgot one, moron!" the sheriff cackles. "You've plagued this town with your scumminess for too long, bucko!" he yelled before pulling the trigger. ~BANG~ Michael falls backwards as the shot hits in him in the jaw. And that is the end of Michael Thompson (Mencot). ~~~ The Day is now over, and can be locked. You have 24 hours to get your night actions in.
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