SoupOrFishOil Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) I still very much wish Lego let go of this theme to bring it back with more characters and the like. I don't see what good this would do, especially where DC is concerned. That would just bring us back to square one again when it would be rereleased, like the first wave in 2011 2012 was (even though I did appreciate it). Another street chase with Catwoman, another Batwing vs. Joker, Two-Face and the Batmobile, the Batcave, then Superman and maybe Wonder Woman thrown in somewhere. It just sounds counterproductive to me. I'm dismayed by the character variety too, but letting the line age is the best I think. Edited January 22, 2014 by Superficial Username Quote
Hrafnblod Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I don't know, after having seen years of Batman in Lego (in and out of his theme!) I'd say they're probably required to introduce VERY (very) few characters every now and then, and apart from the movie universe I wouldn't hold my breath for any non-Batman villains. I believe this evergreen status means they can just delay on putting newer and original sets out. It took Star Wars a few waves to put out obscure podracers and the like, while here we are 3 years after the beginning of the theme and we still haven't got half of a wave that isn't Batman. On Marvel's side, the minifigure selection is great, but let's just say the minifigures are the only thing backing up he sets (apart from the Daily Bugle and Quinjet that is, while Iron Man's Malibu Mansion attack was also pretty good). I still very much wish Lego let go of this theme to bring it back with more characters and the like. I can't really understand the logic you're using, here. You say it took Star Wars a few waves to start using lesser-known stuff but you want them to kill and reboot Super Heroes before we reach that point? They've essentially done that, with Batman, and all we've gotten are rehashes of the previous sets for the most part. Continuing the line has a much greater chance of giving us diversity (and on the Marvel side, better builds) than rebooting it. Evergreen means a continual stream of new sets, which means they have to diversify at some point. And technically, 2013's DC line consisted of Arkham, the Aquaman set, and the DKR set, and then three Man of Steel sets. So half of 2013 wasn't Batman. And an evergreen status could mean we get bigger waves, like Star Wars gets, which would again necessitate branching out and giving us more diversity. There's really no way I can see that evergreen status amounts to a bad thing. Quote
Freddy Bricker Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I can see your point, but you just contradicted yourself saying "so half of 2013 wasn't Batman" um it was. And the "logic" which you believe to be absent is a renewal of the contract to bring in more sets which means Batman would only be a portion of it, not it's entirety. And as for Marvel, I love Spiderman, and quite frankly wish they'd do more of him (not that I believe he's underused, I'm just pleased to hear they'll be continuing along with him and don't want them to stop). I'm perturbed by this evergreen status because it just seems like more years of the same crap. If this doesn't bring in more sets and allow for new builds I'll be extremely upset. But maybe we still have some hope, all of (or more of) this years Batman sets will still be around next year, which means next years new generation of costumers can own the Joker, the Penguin, and Man-Bat. This could mean that next year all of the sets can focus on someone else, but I'm not exactly expecting Lego to "wow" me on this. Lego seems to be doing great with Ninjago, the Collectable minifigures Series, and TMNT, I just wish they'd do the same for this theme. Half has great figs and downright boring builds (mostly) while he other has very little diversity (or quality) in its figures and very amusing builds. They can very easily find a balance, I'm just worried that this evergreen status means it will take them longer to. Quote
CM4Sci Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Is it just me, or are Falcon's wings translucent? -Sci Edited January 22, 2014 by CM4S Quote
Freddy Bricker Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Do you mean translucent? If they were transparent, they would be clear, no? They seem to shine, if that means anything. Quote
Hrafnblod Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) I can see your point, but you just contradicted yourself saying "so half of 2013 wasn't Batman" um it was. And the "logic" which you believe to be absent is a renewal of the contract to bring in more sets which means Batman would only be a portion of it, not it's entirety. And as for Marvel, I love Spiderman, and quite frankly wish they'd do more of him (not that I believe he's underused, I'm just pleased to hear they'll be continuing along with him and don't want them to stop). I'm perturbed by this evergreen status because it just seems like more years of the same crap. If this doesn't bring in more sets and allow for new builds I'll be extremely upset. But maybe we still have some hope, all of (or more of) this years Batman sets will still be around next year, which means next years new generation of costumers can own the Joker, the Penguin, and Man-Bat. This could mean that next year all of the sets can focus on someone else, but I'm not exactly expecting Lego to "wow" me on this. Lego seems to be doing great with Ninjago, the Collectable minifigures Series, and TMNT, I just wish they'd do the same for this theme. Half has great figs and downright boring builds (mostly) while he other has very little diversity (or quality) in its figures and very amusing builds. They can very easily find a balance, I'm just worried that this evergreen status means it will take them longer to. My wording was off, but you had said we hadn't got half a wave that isn't Batman. But we did, half of 2013 was Superman. Either way, when it comes to DC, like it or not a simple reality (that's been the case for a long time) is that Batman is what sells. There will always be more Batman representation in DC's merchandise, because there's more money in Batman than in Green Lantern, the Flash, Martian Manhunter and Cyborg put together. If they negotiate a new contract it will still be for DC licensed sets and since Batman sells best, it will be predominantly Batman. The difference is, if they're in danger of running out of Batman sets to make over a 3-4 year span, they're more likely to supplement (which is all we can realistically hope for, barring movie tie-ins like Man of Steel) with other DC characters. No contract renegotiation will change that, and even if it would they still re-contract every few years when the present one runs out, whether there's a break in set production or not. The more DC sets we get in the less amount of time, the more likely we are to see the things you want. With a break and a reboot you'll just get more of the same for certain. Also, Spider-man is bordering on becoming for Marvel what Batman is for DC, it's kinda messed up to be all in favor of more Spider-man but preferring DC just stop being made just because you like Spider-man more than Batman. Is it just me, or are Falcon's wings transparent? -Sci They look pretty awesome, one way or the other! Edited January 22, 2014 by Hrafnblod Quote
Swifty118247 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Is it just me, or are Falcon's wings transparent? *snip* -Sci In the Avengers Assemble cartoon, they are translucent. So, even if it is unlikely it could be possible that they are. Edited January 22, 2014 by CorneliusMurdock Please don't quote pictures. Quote
SoupOrFishOil Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) I can see your point, but you just contradicted yourself saying "so half of 2013 wasn't Batman" um it was. And the "logic" which you believe to be absent is a renewal of the contract to bring in more sets which means Batman would only be a portion of it, not it's entirety. LEGO has had access to every character DC has published (as long as DC have the rights to that character) already. Whether the fault is LEGO's or WB's, their not taking advantage of it is the problem. We don't know how many sets the contract allows for, but it seems like it either has been increased, or the limit was already higher than we thought. Besides, a license doesn't have to expire for it to be rewritten. There is always renewal. Star Wars has gone through the process three or four times already. Evergreen means that there is a large market for the product, not that they have the rights to produce it indefinitely under their current contract (in the case of licenses), or even that it will be on shelves at all time. Dinosaurs is also an evergreen range, but they only pop up once every few years, but I think that this line would be more akin to younger Star Wars stuff than that. Being recognized as evergreen will only help the line expand and branch out because they won't have a chance to miss a beat. Right now it seems like they aren't ready to expand out of Batman, which is really unfortunate. Until then, I'd rather not see an influx sets. Over saturation isn't a good thing. Still, they could have done more with characters in the four sets that we did get. And you are right. If these sets are still around next year, then Batman, his car, three most popular villains, and three of his sidekicks will all be on the market. There should be more room, even in five sets or so, but that still doesn't mean that they'll use well (so you are right for holding your breath, I am too), but I will digress. They look pretty awesome, one way or the other! Seconded. Edited January 22, 2014 by Superficial Username Quote
Hrafnblod Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 LEGO has had access to every character DC has published (as long as DC have the rights to that character) already. Whether the fault is LEGO's or WB's, their not taking advantage of it is the problem. We don't know how many sets the contract allows for, but it seems like it either has been increased, or the limit was already higher than we thought. Besides, a license doesn't have to expire for it to be rewritten. There is always renewal. Star Wars has gone through the process three or four times already. Evergreen means that there is a large market for the product, not that they have the rights to produce it indefinitely under their current contract (in the case of licenses), or even that it will be on shelves at all time. Dinosaurs is also an evergreen range, but they only pop up once every few years, but I think that this line would be more akin to younger Star Wars stuff than that. Being recognized as evergreen will only help the line expand and branch out because they won't have a chance to miss a beat. Right now it seems like they aren't ready to expand out of Batman, which is really unfortunate. Until then, I'd rather not see an influx sets. Over saturation isn't a good thing. Still, they could have done more with characters in the four sets that we did get. And you are right. If these sets are still around next year, then Batman, his car, three most popular villains, and three of his sidekicks will all be on the market. There should be more room, even in five sets or so, but that still doesn't mean that they'll use well (so you are right for holding your breath, I am too), but I will digress. Seconded. Counter-seconded, to pretty much all of that. Next year could actually be great for DC. Batman's bases will be mostly covered from this year's sets, aside from maybe a new batcave (though that seems unlikely so soon after the last one). Arkham will probably stay on the market, too, since D2Cs seem to hang around a bit longer than the standard sets. Next year could be a great opportunity to give us some more sets, hopefully with Green Lantern, but with a dearth of other DC media to base the sets on I might even be optimistic enough to hope for some Flash stuff to coincide with the show (as far as I know, it's got an ETA of 2015. Correct me if I'm wrong though). It might end up being the best year, if they don't half-megablocks things, since the Batman/Superman movie and accompanying sets are being pushed back, they might fill in with something other than Batman and Superman. Especially since Green Lantern and Flash (now that he has a headpiece in production) can be done without much in the way of new molds. Captain Cold, Heatwave, Gorilla Grodd, Mirror Master, Trickster, Sinestro (and other humanoid lanterns) could all be done without any actual new molds, and done well. Plus, I know it's crazy, but we might actually see set pieces instead of vehicles in those cases. All hypothetical though, of course. Quote
Deathleech Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Not sure if anyone has posted this pic before, I haven't been following this thread and only went back several pages so if it's been posted already I apologize but, looks like GotG image from the video game: Edited January 23, 2014 by Deathleech Quote
Clone OPatra Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 A little digging wouldn't have found that, since it was posted a looooooooong time ago. It might not even have been in this thread. Needless to say, those are the comic looks of the characters, and we can count on them looking different in the sets. Quote
Deathleech Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Ahh ok, ya kinda hard to know or not in a 168 page thread if you havn't been following it closely, lol. You don't think they will look like that in the final form though? I kinda hope not, Rocket in particular looks terrible Edited January 23, 2014 by Deathleech Quote
Hrafnblod Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Ahh ok, ya kinda hard to know or not in a 168 page thread if you havn't been following it closely, lol. You don't think they will look like that in the final form though? I kinda hope not, Rocket in particular looks terrible It was this thread I think but it was probably 50+ pages ago, haha. But yeah as said we'll probably (read: almost definitely) be getting the movie versions. Drax, Gamora and Rocket Raccoon may not look drastically different (though I think all the movie images of Rocket Raccoon that have leaked had an orange uniform) but Star-Lord's film version looks more like his 2008 comic version which has a very different helmet with red goggle-type stuff going on. Which I certainly hope is what we get because I much prefer that version of Star-Lord to the one on the billboard picture. Edited January 23, 2014 by Hrafnblod Quote
Super Goblin Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Is it just me, or are Falcon's wings translucent? *snip* -Sci Man we really need a new hair piece for African-Americans. That looks bad. Edited January 23, 2014 by CorneliusMurdock Please do not quote pictures. Quote
Master Spectra Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) What about the Days of future past sets? Edited January 23, 2014 by Master Spectra Quote
just2good Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 What about the Days of future past sets? LEGO doesn't have the license for that film. Quote
Hrafnblod Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 What about the Days of future past sets? We are getting one X-men set but it's not a movie tie-in 'cause, as just2good pointed out, Lego doesn't have the license. Quote
Colossus Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Is it just me, or are Falcon's wings translucent? *snip* -Sci It looks like vac-metal red, the same paint they used for the recent red LEGO VIP Minifig keychain. Edited January 23, 2014 by CorneliusMurdock Please do not quote pictures. Quote
Spider-Man Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Falcon's neck bracket seems to be trans-red so my guess is that the wings will be trans as well. Quote
Kerberos Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Getting kinda bored of the blandness in the Spidey sets but I just read a summary of season 3 for the cartoon and it really sounds like it could bring some good stuff to the next Spidey wave in 2015 or whenever Season Three will include Spider-Man joining the Avengers (consisting of the line-up from Marvel's Avengers Assemble) and introducing characters such as Cloak and Dagger, Amadeus Cho, Ka-Zar and Agent Venom. An official agent Venom fig would be cool. But Lego's not allowed to forget about White Tiger!! I know they're girl-phobic but they've already given us the rest of the team except her and they better not try to skip her. Quote
JaseTJ Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Nice catch on the neck bracket part of the wings, I hadn't thought to look there. They do indeed seem to be transluscent. But Lego's not allowed to forget about White Tiger!! I know they're girl-phobic but they've already given us the rest of the team except her and they better not try to skip her. Finally picked up the Bugle (not to open for another couple of months 'til my birthday :/) last night, and when I was looking through the other sets I still hadn't gotten (namely the Doc Ock one- I'm not sure if I'll still try to get that or just Bricklink Iron Fist, since I'm happy with my slightly-altered Spider-Man 2 version of Ock) I noticed the same thing. I would be absolutely shocked if they didn't make White Tiger in the next Spidey-set or two. Personally I'm rooting for a high school set with Spidey, Tiger, and Coulson. Maybe Janitor Stan Lee... And wasn't that episode about the Lizard? We could still use a good official version of him, too. The summer wave is confirmed to be just the 3 GotG sets and the X-men one, though, right? Do we have to wait for next spring or at least mid-winter for the next wave after that? Or will they maybe be sooner? Quote
Repeter Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Man we really need a new hair piece for African-Americans. That looks bad. ^This person is truthin'! Except, the term 'African-American' seems a bit underwhelming on a site called 'Eurobricks'...cuz y'know, a lot of folks here aren't American? Either way, LEGO needs to figure out how to mold some good hair for black people. It's getting to the point of being insulting. Quote
Super Goblin Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Well Falcon is an American so that's why I used that term. Quote
strangely Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 ^This person is truthin'! Except, the term 'African-American' seems a bit underwhelming on a site called 'Eurobricks'...cuz y'know, a lot of folks here aren't American? Either way, LEGO needs to figure out how to mold some good hair for black people. It's getting to the point of being insulting. On top of not really looking like his hair it's such an overused hairpiece at that. Storm, Power man and Falcon really kind of got the short end of the straw this year. All of them desperately lack proper hairpieces. Lego finally diversify's the character's but can't bother with accuracy. I just hope future variations of these characters correct that. Quote
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 It looks like vac-metal red, the same paint they used for the recent red LEGO VIP Minifig keychain. I agree with Spider-man that the bracket looks trans. Even if that wasn't apparent, Red chroming the wings doesn't make a lot of sense for a regular set, even though it would be tremendously awesome. As for the hair, the old part on the left hairpiece would look better even if it wasn't any more accurate. I think a true buzz cut would be hard for TLG to do without making a really thin piece that would be prone to breakage. I'm not sure even a rubbery one would work any better in that situation. Quote
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