djmangunz Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 So angry that we don't get the Warbird! Lego doesn't care about the most important and most loved member of the Guardians of the Galaxy!!! ROCKET RACCOON! Dayum that Nova Corps Sausage, Me and A LOT of other people want the Warbird They where like "oh let's drop him in a set with a tree with silver claws and a bald woman with a cyborg eye (The most stupid villain of all time) " So yeah Lego doesn't care, Wanna see about Star-Lord tough. maybe he will be good? So bloody angry... While I certainly respect your passion for a specific product, I am not quite clear on what you are referring to. Do you mean Rocket Racoon's starship? http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Warbird It is an interesting design and more substantial than the Nova Corps fighter: http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Warbird But I think that the Lego designers would be hard pressed to create a set which fits that $20 price point and still be true to the size and substance of the Warbird. And the Knowhere set fits a much needed "playset" slot in a typically vehicle heavy Super Heros line. As far as I remember, Knowhere is a severed head of a Celestia and the GOTG base. After looking at the box and the set which seems to be a land set rather than a floating head it appears that the movie must deviate from the original source material greatly. Quote
TheStrategist Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Warbird's not in the movie, so it would make no sense for her to be in the MOVIE set. Also, I would hardly call Warbird "most important" or "most loved". I think he was talking about Rocket Raccoon's spaceship, the warbird, not the character. Hasbro had pictures of their model of it someone posted a few pages back, and so a lot of people were hoping the small set would be that ship. Quote
Suspsy Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) So angry that we don't get the Warbird! Lego doesn't care about the most important and most loved member of the Guardians of the Galaxy!!! ROCKET RACCOON! Dayum that Nova Corps Sausage, Me and A LOT of other people want the Warbird They where like "oh let's drop him in a set with a tree with silver claws and a bald woman with a cyborg eye (The most stupid villain of all time) " Do you base that harsh criteria of Nebula on actually having read the comics, or just on what you've been hearing about the movie? I'm curious because I honestly can't tell. So yeah Lego doesn't care, Wanna see about Star-Lord tough. maybe he will be good?So bloody angry... It is in the Movie, And im not calling the Warbird most important, im calling Rocket the most important and most lovedAfter all if you walk out of the Cinema and ask who they liked the most, A LOT of people will say Rocket Yeah, Lego doesn't care. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. That makes a ton of sense. If they didn't care about GOTG, they definitely wouldn't be going to all the logistical trouble and financial risk of making sets based on the film. You do realise that if the film flops (and there is a reasonably good chance that it will given that GOTG isn't exactly the best-known Marvel franchise), Lego stands to lose a ton of money, don't you? Frankly, I think the fact that they didn't put Rocket Raccoon and Groot in the largest, most expensive set is pretty generous of Lego. As for RR being the most popular, beloved GOTG character, well, that's strictly your personal opinion. Edited February 17, 2014 by Suspsy Quote
fatfrog2596 Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 As someone who hasn't heard of Guardians of the Galaxy prior to this movie, I'll be picking up the Milano Spaceship and the Knowhere Escape. These characters, despite me knowing very little about them are interesting enough to be a good selling point. On a separate note, does anyone know why the X-Men set, which only has 336 pieces is selling for $50? Quote
Faefrost Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 So angry that we don't get the Warbird! Lego doesn't care about the most important and most loved member of the Guardians of the Galaxy!!! ROCKET RACCOON! Dayum that Nova Corps Sausage, Me and A LOT of other people want the Warbird They where like "oh let's drop him in a set with a tree with silver claws and a bald woman with a cyborg eye (The most stupid villain of all time) " So yeah Lego doesn't care, Wanna see about Star-Lord tough. maybe he will be good? So bloody angry... Have you seriously given any consideration to switching to decalf? We have no idea what is in this movie yet beyond a few leaked images. We don't know what ships will be prominent. We don't know what characters will be standouts. Or what fan reaction to things will be. At this point I suspect that there are a ton of Karen Gillam's fans who will buy the set for the Nebula fig alone. As for the Warbird? We do not know any context regarding the ships. We don't know which are more important story wise, or make for better play settings. But yeah, you're probably right, Lego obviously doesn't care about what they are doing. After all how could they possibly care when they are not clearly doing precisely and exactly what you want them to, right now. (It's for reasons like this that any Lord of the Rings threads around here seem to be such a thrilling journey into the minds of madness.) Quote
tafkatb Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 On a separate note, does anyone know why the X-Men set, which only has 336 pieces is selling for $50? Some of the pieces are pretty large - check out the underside of the jet - and that always drives price per piece up. Quote
strangely Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 On a separate note, does anyone know why the X-Men set, which only has 336 pieces is selling for $50? Some of the pieces are pretty large - check out the underside of the jet - and that always drives price per piece up. Plus you have Wolverine's cowl and Storm's cape (Which seems to be made of a different type of fabric than the standard capes). Plus printed elements (such as the Sentinel). Plus there are some parts with new colors (Storm's hair in white comes to mind). Add all of that to the fact that this is a licensed set and you have a somewhat overpriced set. It's worth it to me though, it looks awesome. Quote
Hrafnblod Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 The description of the smallest GotG set actually sounds pretty good. Despite being able to get a full "team" with the two biggest sets, the smallest one might actually be nice for purchasing multiples of, considering it comes with two (faiirly generic) fighter craft from the sounds of things. Plus two generic mook type characters. I could stand to have several Star-Lords, if I get a pair or trio of Nova Corps ships and Sakaaran ships. Plus you have Wolverine's cowl and Storm's cape (Which seems to be made of a different type of fabric than the standard capes). Plus printed elements (such as the Sentinel). Plus there are some parts with new colors (Storm's hair in white comes to mind). Add all of that to the fact that this is a licensed set and you have a somewhat overpriced set. It's worth it to me though, it looks awesome. I really don't believe the licensing has anything to do with it. The superheroes line, in general, has pretty good pricing despite being licensed- that's why everyone's asking questions about this set breaking that trend. The large pieces might be to blame but I don't buy the wolverine cowl. Magneto's helmet, Flash's helmet, Batgirl's cowl and other such unique (at the time, in the case of Magneto) headpieces didn't severely skew their respective sets' price points. Quote
TheBrickHitHouse Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 XMen figures are a bit...lazy. Star Wars figures are mind blowing and the X Men ones just seem a bit...phoned in. Cyclops anyone? Quote
SoupOrFishOil Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Storm is one of my new favorite minifigures. I still like Batgirl more, but it's pretty close. Wolverine and Magneto look great too. Cyclops is bland though. I like the jet for the most part, aside from the nose which looks strange. The Sentinel is okay, but I wish it had more articulation. Also, I just saw this image from a friend of a friend: (Credit to Ultron32 on Flickr) That GL design is slightly different than the one in the game...maybe, just maybe, it is on it's way? That TMNT set did come out of knowhere yesterday... Quote
Hrafnblod Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 XMen figures are a bit...lazy. Star Wars figures are mind blowing and the X Men ones just seem a bit...phoned in. Cyclops anyone? Storm looks great. Kind of disappointed new Wolverine doesn't have leg printing like his old fig did. Cyclops looks alright, but not great. I would've preferred his '90s cartoon version but the one they gave us is a pretty good interpretation of the look they were going for. They're certainly not the worst we've gotten in SH. Quote
Themadpatter Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Also, I just saw this image from a friend of a friend: (Credit to Ultron32 on Flickr) That GL design is slightly different than the one in the game...maybe, just maybe, it is on it's way? That TMNT set did come out of knowhere yesterday... We have a LED green lantern light? It's like lego is torturing us Edited February 18, 2014 by LuxorV Quote
strangely Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 I really don't believe the licensing has anything to do with it. The superheroes line, in general, has pretty good pricing despite being licensed- that's why everyone's asking questions about this set breaking that trend. The large pieces might be to blame but I don't buy the wolverine cowl. Magneto's helmet, Flash's helmet, Batgirl's cowl and other such unique (at the time, in the case of Magneto) headpieces didn't severely skew their respective sets' price points. I gave an entire list of things that increase the price beyond just licensing and the cowl (I will grant you that licensing doesn't really effect the price much, though every once in a while it looks like it does). New molds, new capes (With a new fabric and more complicated design), new colors and printed elements (Which is pretty well documented as driving up the price). None of those things alone would single-handedly drive up the price, but all of those things combined make some impact on price. Plus the $50 range is always hit or miss on pricing. Just look at the new Hulk set or the Green Goblin set, neither of those go over 400 pieces (In fact Spidey manages to be under 300) and yet they hit $50. You'll notice that both of those sets have new elements (Modok's head and the Green Goblin are completely new), plus reprints of existing elements. Compare that to a set like the two face set which is $50 with over 500 pieces and has few new parts (If any, except for maybe a few minor recolors). It does look like parts can make a difference on the price. We have a LED green lantern light? It's like lego is torturing us Or like they're trying to build hype. I have a good feeling we'll see him in minifigure form soon. Quote
SMC Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 ^ but both those $50 sets have big figs, hope its £40 in uk Quote
TheSilentShane Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Or like they're trying to build hype. I have a good feeling we'll see him in minifigure form soon. Oh yeah. It's going to be Spacesuit Batman and Green Lantern vs. the Joker's starfighter. Quote
TheBatstan Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Let's hope they keep that leg printing on him. Quote
Super Goblin Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 GL light? Why do you torture me so Lego? This has to be a good sign that we are getting GL in a set soon. Quote
TheBatstan Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) It would be cool if his light glows green , but all this fits with the rumors of GL coming soon and that Instagram "Lego Employee" confirming it as well Edited February 17, 2014 by TDKR2012 Quote
strangely Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 ^ but both those $50 sets have big figs, hope its £40 in uk Hulk isn't even new, just a print variation. The only completely new piece is Modok's head, otherwise we've seen all those molds before. My point is the same, new molds cost money (size of mold is a factor too). Again $50 is reasonable for the X-men set when you factor in new molds Plus new part recolors, new cape type and fabric and new printed bricks. Quote
kevkipo Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Have you seriously given any consideration to switching to decalf? We have no idea what is in this movie yet beyond a few leaked images. We don't know what ships will be prominent. We don't know what characters will be standouts. Or what fan reaction to things will be. At this point I suspect that there are a ton of Karen Gillam's fans who will buy the set for the Nebula fig alone. As for the Warbird? We do not know any context regarding the ships. We don't know which are more important story wise, or make for better play settings. But yeah, you're probably right, Lego obviously doesn't care about what they are doing. After all how could they possibly care when they are not clearly doing precisely and exactly what you want them to, right now. (It's for reasons like this that any Lord of the Rings threads around here seem to be such a thrilling journey into the minds of madness.) That's what i am saying, i care a lot about LOTR they just don't seem to know what fans want! Well sometimes... but not always! Do you base that harsh criteria of Nebula on actually having read the comics, or just on what you've been hearing about the movie? I'm curious because I honestly can't tell. Yeah, Lego doesn't care. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. That makes a ton of sense. If they didn't care about GOTG, they definitely wouldn't be going to all the logistical trouble and financial risk of making sets based on the film. You do realise that if the film flops (and there is a reasonably good chance that it will given that GOTG isn't exactly the best-known Marvel franchise), Lego stands to lose a ton of money, don't you? Frankly, I think the fact that they didn't put Rocket Raccoon and Groot in the largest, most expensive set is pretty generous of Lego. As for RR being the most popular, beloved GOTG character, well, that's strictly your personal opinion. Yep i've read the comic's, She looks ugly, she has no cool powers (in my opinion) she is a Bald woman (I don't really like that as a minifig) so yeah... and i get your point Lego does care, sometimes just not so much... I think he was talking about Rocket Raccoon's spaceship, the warbird, not the character. Hasbro had pictures of their model of it someone posted a few pages back, and so a lot of people were hoping the small set would be that ship. (snip) Jep that's it Edited February 17, 2014 by kevkipo Quote
Hrafnblod Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 I gave an entire list of things that increase the price beyond just licensing and the cowl (I will grant you that licensing doesn't really effect the price much, though every once in a while it looks like it does). New molds, new capes (With a new fabric and more complicated design), new colors and printed elements (Which is pretty well documented as driving up the price). None of those things alone would single-handedly drive up the price, but all of those things combined make some impact on price. Plus the $50 range is always hit or miss on pricing. Just look at the new Hulk set or the Green Goblin set, neither of those go over 400 pieces (In fact Spidey manages to be under 300) and yet they hit $50. You'll notice that both of those sets have new elements (Modok's head and the Green Goblin are completely new), plus reprints of existing elements. Compare that to a set like the two face set which is $50 with over 500 pieces and has few new parts (If any, except for maybe a few minor recolors). It does look like parts can make a difference on the price. No, I know. I wasn't refuting all your arguments in general, I was just speaking generally to the fact that a lot of people overplay how much effect licensing has on price, when lines like Superheroes are actually better about price/piece ratios than City generally is. $50 sets are historically kind of hit-or-miss with SH, yeah, but the examples all include bigfigs which Lego seems to think are worth charging a lot for. The bigger pieces probably have more to do with it than the smaller specialty molds like the cowls and such, is all I'm saying. Once you have large pieces or big figs you see the bigger jumps in price, compared to lots of sets that have unique headgear and the like. I wasn't being argumentative, was just giving my take based on what I've seen. At the end of the day it's almost definitely a purely business decision in terms of charging-what-people-will-pay. I've seen several pretty in-depth breakdowns that make good arguments that the molds/materials/etc. are almost irrelevant, at the quantities of product Lego puts out. Quote
strangely Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 At the end of the day it's almost definitely a purely business decision in terms of charging-what-people-will-pay. I've seen several pretty in-depth breakdowns that make good arguments that the molds/materials/etc. are almost irrelevant, at the quantities of product Lego puts out. No product is priced to match the expense it costs to make. Here though it comes down to the more bells and whistles, the more Lego can charge. Every little recolor, every printed brick, every new cowl, everything that the consumers clamor for Lego will charge us several times more than it cost them to make. Lego knows we'll pay for those things, so at the end of the day all of those things do effect the price. Quote
Hrafnblod Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) No product is priced to match the expense it costs to make. Here though it comes down to the more bells and whistles, the more Lego can charge. Every little recolor, every printed brick, every new cowl, everything that the consumers clamor for Lego will charge us several times more than it cost them to make. Lego knows we'll pay for those things, so at the end of the day all of those things do effect the price. That's what I mean. I don't expect the product to cost a fixed amount more than cost, or anything. I just think that, if any of those bells and whistles consistently result in markup it's bigfigs. Both Hulk sets and the Green Goblin set have been that way. The Goblin King Battle, too. Moria didn't have the same issue to the same extent, but still. Bigfigs seem to be an automatic +10-15 (as do some other large, specialty pieces) whereas the new hats and stuff have a much less immediately obvious effect for the consumer. Basically, big fig sets seem to really stick out from the "usual" price-per-piece ratio we see. Sets with new smaller parts usually don't- no one seemed to see the Riddler Chase set's price (with Flash's new hat, new minifig prints on every figure, etc) and think "wow, what happened there" like with the X-Jet. It's all about perception. Edited February 17, 2014 by Hrafnblod Quote
Suspsy Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Yep i've read the comic's, She looks ugly, she has no cool powers (in my opinion) she is a Bald woman (I don't really like that as a minifig) so yeah...and i get your point Lego does care, sometimes just not so much... Well, that's strictly your opinion. The fact of the matter is that Nebula is a featured character in the upcoming film and thus it only makes sense to have a minifigure of her. If there wasn't, I have no doubt there'd be far more fans complaining about her absence. And I think it's terribly unfair to ever claim that Lego "doesn't care" given their history with the fandom. It's always a question of what is feasible from a business standpoint and what is not. Personally, I'd like a massive brick-built Smaug set, CMF lines of Marvel and DC characters, and macrofigures of Abomination, Juggernaut, and Rhino, but I understand that Lego isn't concerned strictly with my happiness. Edited February 17, 2014 by Suspsy Quote
Hrafnblod Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Well, that's strictly your opinion. The fact of the matter is that Nebula is a featured character in the upcoming film and thus it only makes sense to have a minifigure of her. If there wasn't, I have no doubt there'd be far more fans complaining about her absence. And I think it's terribly unfair to ever claim that Lego "doesn't care," not based on their history with the fandom. It's always a question of what is feasible from a business standpoint and what is not. Personally, I'd like a massive brick-built Smaug set, CMF lines of Marvel and DC characters, and macrofigures of Abomination, Juggernaut, and Rhino, but I understand that Lego isn't concerned strictly with my happiness. Yup. I'd have liked to see Rocket's ship in Lego form (and will probably build it!) but for all we know, in the context of the movie he may have it for 30 seconds when we first meet him and then it gets blown up. That would be enough for Hasbro or whoever has the action figure line, since they're pushing out a whole line of dozens of items for the movie. Lego, on the other hand, is only producing 3 sets. We're getting 3 spaceships between them, so that's still pretty awesome! Edited February 17, 2014 by Hrafnblod Quote
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