Super Heroes 2014 Rumors & Discussion

[strangely]

incorrect on both counts.

The first Robin was Tim in his original costume. The Juniors Robin features the new Tim head and torso, with the old Tim legs. So it's a hybrid, but I believe the intent was for the Juniors Robin to be Dick.

That head didn't come from Tim, it's a new head made with the same mask style as the Damian Wayne Robin. And as for the first Robin's identity it hasn't really been set in stone. I've seen various sources saying both, ultimately I choose to label him as Dick purely because that's the costume Dick is most well known for wearing. Since Lego really hasn't confirmed it though it could really be whoever you want it to be.

But don't they all wear the original robin costume at some point? So what might be Jason Todd could be early Dick or older Damian.

Dick Grayson also wore Batman's suit at one time to, but that doesn't mean any of these Batman minifigures is Dick Grayson. In the superhero world every costume has born worn by multiple people (Or at least it seems that way), but for the most part Lego seems to base each variation of a character on either a specific version of the character or a specific continuity. Generally each Robin has one costume they're most known for wearing, though most have worn the original at least one point in time. Lego could have labelled the Robin's so we'd know for sure which is which, but they haven't, so ultimately it's left up to each person's interpretation, though generally each variation looks pretty similar to a particular Robin.

I don't recall Damian wearing this costume. Plus he never got any older, so this variation shouldn't be him. And yes, I suppose it could be the Jason Todd Robin since they were very similar.

Edited May 4, 2014 by strangely

[Drock]

The Brick Show is more than likely gonna get these

...they'll buy these stolen (let's not use the euphamism "leaked") figures, then whine about the price of the X-Jet set or LEGO in general. Side dish of irony, anyone? ;)

[Legoman123]

Is the X-Jet going to be released at the same time as the GOTG sets?

[YangHao6998]

Sad to say, these are fakes.

http://list.qoo10.sg/item/LEGO-QUALITY-MINI-FIGURES-SET/413878045

Edited May 5, 2014 by YangHao6998

[Lord Rahl of Clannad]

^

Those would be seriously amazing if they were actually real, but it is still sad to say that Super Heroes CMFs, as awesome as they would be, will probably never get made. Let's just hope instead that TLG continues to provide good character variety in these sets (well, most of the time at least).

[kevkipo]

That Odin looked great!

[Faefrost]

Cool, thanks!

Also who was the first robin we got, in the old batman sets?

Also how old is each Robin? There's probably no definite answer since they're always ageing in the comics, but when did each become Robin/Nightwing?

Dick's age seemed to vary in the comics between Golden Ages, Silver Age, Bronze Age, dark Age and modern. And Dick's span of Robin sort of exceeds the current lore on how long Bruce Wayne has been Batman. If you go by the early books Dick started at a young boyish age. Maybe 11 or 12, and finished up and became Nightwing somewhere in his early 20's. Call it 22 or 23. Definitely legal to drink in the US ;)

Jason is the big unknown as his characterization shifted around a bit before the fans finally forced them to give it up and start over. Best guess 14-16 maybe? Right in those real annoying and obnoxious teenage years.

Tim very clearly started on or around 16. He can drive and is in his later years of High School. Pre new 52 Tim was portrayed as being biologically a hair younger than Superboy and a hair older than Impulse/kid Flash. Bart was pretty clearly tagged as 15-16 ish, so you can do the math from there. (Ok technically Bart and Superboy were each only 3 years old, but you get what I mean... Comics are weird.)

Damien would seem to be the youngest to don the Robin identity. Maybe 10-12?

For completists, Stephanie Brown is Tim's Age and grade so probably 17 when she put on the suit briefly. The Dark Knight Returns Carrie Kelly is probably 14 or 15. Streetwise and mid teens but not yet legal to drive.

Did I miss any?

But don't they all wear the original robin costume at some point? So what might be Jason Todd could be early Dick or older Damian.

Not exactly.

Dick Grayson wears the classic costume including green shorts for his entire run.(except the Golden Age Earth 2 version who eventually goes with long pants). Note worthy with the Dick outfit are the red tunic, short sleeves, green shorts and boots, bare legs and fully yellow cape both sides.

Jason Todd wears the same basic outfit as Dick until his death. (Well his presumed comic book death) there have been minor detail changes with Dick and Jason's outfits depending on year, fashion and artist, such as size of collar etc, but it's was pretty stable.

Tim Drake wore the Dick / Jason outfit once, during the Lonely Place For Dying story arch that pretty much introduced him as Robin. That was without Batman's permission. Every time since Batman insisted he wear a new more heavily armored and protected suit that is more akin to the bat suit. His suit is a red torso (body armor) with short sleeves, full green leggings or pants (later evolving to red with no green), heavier gauntlets, and most distinctively a 2 color cape. Yellow on the inside, black on the outside, and made of a heavy Nomex and Kevlar mix to be wrapped around the wearer to protect from fire, bullets and most importantly explosions.

Damien Wayne's suit was basically an adaption of Tim's later full red outfit. Red Torso and boots, and a fully yellow cape with oddly a black hood.

These are the main "comic" versions of the suits. There have been some differences and changes in various animated shows and movies. (I believe in Batman TAS Dick started wore full green pants and Tim started with the full red outfit.)

For the two girls Stephanie Brown wore Tim's red/green outfit, Carrie Kelly wore the original Dick outfit.

Ok so what does this have to do with actual Lego Minifigs? In a nutshell. None of them match any specific Robin. (Except that rare older Earth 2 Robin. The red and green figs are a good match for him). They all give the impressions of being a certain Robin without quite matching up perfectly. The closest are probably the Arkham Asylum one which mostly matches with a late career Tim Drake, lacking only the 2 color cape, and the short one from the Joker Steamroller that is really an almost dead on Damian Wayne. If you want to make him accurate you could probably do it easily using the down Hoodie piece from a Lego Movie Wyldstyle.

[The Brigante]

For me, the juniors and original Batman sets' Robin is Dick. The SH Robin is Tim and Steamroller Robin is Damian. The only male Robin as yet unproduced is Jason, be it as Red Hood or Robin. I hope we get a mini-figure of him though, I absolutely adore him and IMHO he's the only person missing to complete the Bat-Family, unless you count Alfred!

Edited March 29, 2015 by The Brigante

[TheBatstan]

I always liked to believe that the Robin from the Penguin Submarine was Jason Todd and the one from the Batcave was Dick.

[TheLegoDr]

I bought some of those knock offs. The quality is different from lego but the plastic didn't feel that cheap. The printing was hit or miss, but for the most part pretty decent. Not bad for the end price, especially for figures lego hasn't made (Odin, winter soldier). The venom was terrible though.

As far as Robins go, I only really knew of Dick but that was because of Batman Forever.

[BrickyNolan35]

One thing for those knockoffs though winter soldiers metal arm is supposed to be the tan/flesh tone one on the figure

[Legoman123]

Odin looks fantastic!

Edited May 6, 2014 by Legoman123

[Im a brickmaster.]

Ah knock offs! What cheap crappy fun! Any reason almost every character (including batman) has a gun? Guess kids want ACTION! with there knockoffs. I'm not sure why you brought it up, seeing how its completely irrelevant to the topic...

[kevkipo]

Ah knock offs! What cheap crappy fun! Any reason almost every character (including batman) has a gun? Guess kids want ACTION! with there knockoffs. I'm not sure why you brought it up, seeing how its completely irrelevant to the topic...

I only see guns with the winter Soldier...

[Numbuh1Nerd]

Mkay, let's go ahead and settle the Robin dispute.

THIS Robin is Tim Drake

THIS Robin is also Tim Drake

THIS Robin is likely Dick Grayson, despite Nightwing existing at the same time in the sets and in the game. If not Dick, that's definitely Tim Drake's originally suit.

THIS Robin is the same as the Robin above, although if someone wanted to call him Jason Todd it would be hard to argue.

THIS Robin is Dick Grayson

THIS Robin is obviously Damian Wayne.

Since Jason and Dick are so visually similar, really only differing in their haircuts originally, you could easily have Dick fill Jason's spot. However, since Jason is ignored in most media outside the comics (I've got Under the Red Hood and a holographic statue in Young Justice and that's all. Probably Brave and the Bold, too.) it's very very unlikely that we've gotten an official Jason Todd Robin minifig.

[Captain Nemo]

Mkay, let's go ahead and settle the Robin dispute.

Actually, I'm just going to solve this by reiterating what was already stated a while ago--according to the Lego Batman Visual Dictionary, all of the "old" Robins are Tim Drake. Here are some quotes from the book to support this:

"Several teenagers have worn Robin's cape over the years, but all of the Lego versions have represented Tim Drake, the third Robin." (Pg 30)

In regards to "Jason Todd" being the different hair style Robin;

"2008 Hairstyle: The only difference between the 2006 and 2008 variants of the Robin minifigure is the new Lego hair piece!" (Pg 30)

So obviously--no Jason Todd. And so far we also only have Tim Drake. The book does clarify that, obviously, the 2006 Blue Nightwing is Dick Grayson. In addition, the book also brings up the newer versions of Robin. In regards to the new red suit 2012 Robin;

"Robin Returns: Time Drake adopted this red-and-black costume in honor of Superboy. His double-sided 2012 head features a smirk and a look of alarm." (Pg 46)

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So clearly, we only thus far have Tim Drake as Robin; with three confirmed variants. In addition, 2012 Robin also gets the hooded variant in the new Arkham set; which from the slight changes makes it clear that it too, is Tim Drake. The new red Nightwing is also clearly supposed to be Dick Grayson. We also have the Damian Robin minifigure--who by all obvious indications is Damian. The only Robin variant not accounted for yet is the new Juniors one. That version has not been labled specifically as one person or another, although from the general feel of the set it seems like Grayson--however I myself have to admit it seems far more likely that it is Tim Drake anyways.

Long story short--Tim Drake is for sure Lego's Robin. Out of the 6 minifigures who wear Robin costumes, Drake can be confirmed as four of them, with the potental for the fifth. There has been two Grayson Nightwings; one Damian Robin, and no Jason Todd minifigures.

Edited May 6, 2014 by Captain Nemo

[8BrickMario]

Thank you for this. The Visual Dictionary is the best official confirmation we have, and, yes, Juniors Robin is the only unconfirmed one. Can we talk about the sets now that this argument should be over?

[DJ Bricks]

Thank you for this. The Visual Dictionary is the best official confirmation we have, and, yes, Juniors Robin is the only unconfirmed one. Can we talk about the sets now that this argument should be over?

I think that the juniors one is a redesign of Tim in the classic suit. It even has Tim's SH torso!

[Super Goblin]

My Robin minifigure is whoever I say it is.

By the way I say it is Tim.

[gundamz]

Looking for your honest feedback:

Do you think that the new X-Men set with a $50 MSRP and only 336 pieces is a bad deal financially? The parts/piece ratio is the worst I've seen in a long time. While the minifigures are interesting, the Sentinel seems rather lacking (e.g. the head piece looks rather dull) and the plane looks rather generic.

[just2good]

Looking for your honest feedback:

Do you think that the new X-Men set with a $50 MSRP and only 336 pieces is a bad deal financially? The parts/piece ratio is the worst I've seen in a long time. While the minifigures are interesting, the Sentinel seems rather lacking (e.g. the head piece looks rather dull) and the plane looks rather generic.

It's an okay deal... for Super Heroes. There is a new mould that is really well made. The GOTG sets are a better deal though, and the daily bugle. But, it's about on par with the Hulk Lab Smash/Helicarrier, which are the two other $50 sets, and were around the 300 piece count range.

[gundamz]

The issue though is that the Hulk Smash set at least comes with a big Hulk. The X-Men set doesn't really come with a big one-piece figure (the Sentinel doesn't count as it is brick-built).

[SMC]

^ agreed it does seem to cost a lot for what you get but I will get it anyway as x men is the one super heroes line that I will buy them all so far its not cost me too much to get them all £10 I think lol do people think we will end up with a lot more sets down the line, would really like a good d2c x men set but it seems unlikly given how little we are seeing for it so far.

[strangely]

The issue though is that the Hulk Smash set at least comes with a big Hulk. The X-Men set doesn't really come with a big one-piece figure (the Sentinel doesn't count as it is brick-built).

That's true, a bigfig would have made it a bit more worth the cost. I will say in it's favor though that it includes printed pieces over stickers. That in itself makes the cost worth it (Because I hate stickers that much). Plus it includes quite a few big pieces, so I imagine that's part of the reason why the part count doesn't quite match with the price. Ultimately had they included one more minifigure I probably wouldn't have cared about the price being a bit high, but even still I'll buy it.

[Fritzy]

Is the X-Jet going to be released at the same time as the GOTG sets?

Yes, in June -- unless we hear otherwise.

Do you think that the new X-Men set with a $50 MSRP and only 336 pieces is a bad deal financially? The parts/piece ratio is the worst I've seen in a long time. While the minifigures are interesting, the Sentinel seems rather lacking (e.g. the head piece looks rather dull) and the plane looks rather generic.

In some ways, you're right. It'll be $59.99 in Canada, which is a lot for what you're really getting. So that leaves me unsettled. I do realize that the minifigs and the design of the Sentinel probably bring up the cost, along with the role of the license itself, seeing as how this set is a one-off (for now). I'm more comfortable on the plane, though. Some of its features make me think there may be more to it up-close. Myself, as much as I hope this set succeeds in demonstrating that there's more demand for X-Men sets, I'm not inclined to get it right away. The GOTG sets are higher up on my radar anyway. More than likely, I'll use VIP Points to bring down the cost and make me feel better about the value.

Ultimately had they included one more minifigure I probably wouldn't have cared about the price being a bit high, but even still I'll buy it.

I keep thinking along similar lines. One more addition would have made the cost more bearable. Who would've been a good fit, do you think? I imagine an Xavier figure would only raise the cost.