On 3/28/2014 at 10:30 AM, Darth Malgus said:

Not sure I agree with your point of view Brickdoctor on the break down of the wave, pretty sure Tartekovsky costituted EU in the that time, pretty sure LeeLand Chee said years ago it wasn't G level cannon (basically EU) McQuarrie concept is EU!

Not exactly my point. My point is that that selection of figures doesn't cover all of the EU, so it's not a valid comparison of Revan to the rest of the EU. None of those figures are even from the post-Jedi EU. And a McQuarrie concept is not part of the EU — it's just that: a concept. It's not part of any storyline and it's not even a canon character.

  On 3/28/2014 at 10:30 AM, Darth Malgus said:

As for Mara Jade being the Emperor's hand thrawn referred to her as one of many so I'd say she was a. Special foot soldier effectively.

Revan was a jedi General who turned against them, was brought back into the fold and then saved the republic with a personal sacrifice. I'd say their significance cancels each other out.

That's entirely beside the point. By that logic, we should all be asking for minifigs of The Ones and the Celestials. In-universe significance has nothing to do with how popular or well-known a character is among fans (and non-fans who might've heard of them).

I don't think it's really about the characters themselves.

They're probably just looking at more current media. Mara Jade and Thrawn came up around the mid-late 80s, right? Knights of the Old Republic came out around 2003, if I remember right, and is widely regarded as one of, if not the best Star Wars video game period, in addition to the insane critical acclaim around it. Sure, Jade and Thrawn are more iconic and, if you polled every Star Wars fan on the planet, probably more popular, but Revan is more recent, and, most importantly, I think he might still be canon. Aren't Mara Jade and Thrawn just being thrown out the window when it comes to Episode VII? Revan is referenced in the current MMO The Old Republic, which, as an on-going project, is probably considered 'more' canon than the 80s EU books since the acquisition by Disney.

That's probably why we have Starkiller, too. Starkiller and Revan are both based off of very popular video games, published by LucasArts, not based off of three decade old EU books. LucasArts was directly involved with them.

Edited March 28, 201410 yr by CallMePie

  On 3/28/2014 at 6:04 PM, CallMePie said:

Sure, Jade and Thrawn are more iconic and, if you polled every Star Wars fan on the planet, probably more popular, but Revan is more recent, and, most importantly, I think he might still be canon. Aren't Mara Jade and Thrawn just being thrown out the window when it comes to Episode VII? Revan is referenced in the current MMO The Old Republic, which, as an on-going project, is probably considered 'more' canon than the 80s EU books since the acquisition by Disney.

Regarding canonicity, I think it depends on how much Episode VII overwrites, but yeah, unfortunately, you might be right. They did, after all, kill off Mara Jade without even telling Timothy Zahn, according to Wookieepedia. As far as a minifigure is concerned, I wouldn't think canonicity is a huge issue, but then again, that's hard to judge since it's been a few years since we got White Boba and Shadow ARF (and Chrometrooper, but that was marketed and labeled as a recoloring, not a separate character), so TLG might've changed their mind. So...good point. I suppose Revan might not be the logical popular choice for an EU character, but he might be the safe choice. *sigh* Ugh, Disney.

  On 3/28/2014 at 6:04 PM, CallMePie said:

I don't think it's really about the characters themselves.

They're probably just looking at more current media. Mara Jade and Thrawn came up around the mid-late 80s, right? Knights of the Old Republic came out around 2003, if I remember right, and is widely regarded as one of, if not the best Star Wars video game period, in addition to the insane critical acclaim around it. Sure, Jade and Thrawn are more iconic and, if you polled every Star Wars fan on the planet, probably more popular, but Revan is more recent, and, most importantly, I think he might still be canon. Aren't Mara Jade and Thrawn just being thrown out the window when it comes to Episode VII? Revan is referenced in the current MMO The Old Republic, which, as an on-going project, is probably considered 'more' canon than the 80s EU books since the acquisition by Disney.

That's probably why we have Starkiller, too. Starkiller and Revan are both based off of very popular video games, published by LucasArts, not based off of three decade old EU books. LucasArts was directly involved with them.

Good points, as BD said, except that the books in which Mara Jade and Grand Admiral Thrawn first appeared emphatically did not appear in the '80s, but in the '90s. They are not three decades old.

(It probably doesn't seem important to you, but speaking as someone who remembers very well when they came out, I'm really really not ready for them to be that old yet!)

I just think Darth Malgus is prejudiced towards getting a new Sith minifig.

;)

While reading this discussion of Darth Revan, I have formulated my own theory.

Darth Revan is, as most of you have pointed out, a character from the TOR/KOTOR Video Games (I can't remember which one sorry) while Mara Jade and Thrawn are from a 20 year old book series and are "Outdated". Someone said that Darth Revan could have been included in a TOR LEGO set that was cancelled, so they decided to reuse the minifigure for a promotional release.

My theory, based on the one above, is that the can't release Mara Jade as a promotional minifigure because she wouldn't stay promotional for long. With the release of Ep. VII which is apparently set 20 years after Ep. VI, it is possible that Mara Jade may be in the movie. Because of this maybe TLG has been told not to release a Mara Jade minifigure because she can/will be released in a future LEGO set.

I don't know how TLG decides to make what sets, but I'm sure there is some degree of control owned by Disney/LucasFilms where they can dictate what movies sets have to be based off and what characters should be included etc.

  On 3/28/2014 at 8:23 PM, rollermonkey said:

I just think Darth Malgus is prejudiced towards getting a new Sith minifig.

;)

That is because there can only be 1 sith apprentice, and 1 sith lord ;)

  On 3/28/2014 at 9:30 PM, Phoenix__Phyre said:

My theory, based on the one above, is that the can't release Mara Jade as a promotional minifigure because she wouldn't stay promotional for long. With the release of Ep. VII which is apparently set 20 years after Ep. VI, it is possible that Mara Jade may be in the movie. Because of this maybe TLG has been told not to release a Mara Jade minifigure because she can/will be released in a future LEGO set.

We — or at least I — am not saying that Mara Jade necessarily should've been the minifig chosen (even if I would love that), I'm just using her as an example of one of the other characters which I would've chosen before Revan to be an EU minifig. It's not a "Mara vs. Revan" situation; it's a case of Revan not being the most appropriate choice.

It doesn't matter if it is the May 4th promo or not, I want one. I don't know much about the characters outside of what LEGO SW has told me. I've only seen the movies once a long time ago. But I enjoy the LEGO figures and sets.

  On 3/28/2014 at 9:30 PM, Phoenix__Phyre said:

While reading this discussion of Darth Revan, I have formulated my own theory.

Darth Revan is, as most of you have pointed out, a character from the TOR/KOTOR Video Games (I can't remember which one sorry) while Mara Jade and Thrawn are from a 20 year old book series and are "Outdated". Someone said that Darth Revan could have been included in a TOR LEGO set that was cancelled, so they decided to reuse the minifigure for a promotional release.

My theory, based on the one above, is that the can't release Mara Jade as a promotional minifigure because she wouldn't stay promotional for long. With the release of Ep. VII which is apparently set 20 years after Ep. VI, it is possible that Mara Jade may be in the movie. Because of this maybe TLG has been told not to release a Mara Jade minifigure because she can/will be released in a future LEGO set.

I don't know how TLG decides to make what sets, but I'm sure there is some degree of control owned by Disney/LucasFilms where they can dictate what movies sets have to be based off and what characters should be included etc.

It's set thirty years after RoTJ.

  On 3/28/2014 at 10:11 PM, Brickdoctor said:

We — or at least I — am not saying that Mara Jade necessarily should've been the minifig chosen (even if I would love that), I'm just using her as an example of one of the other characters which I would've chosen before Revan to be an EU minifig. It's not a "Mara vs. Revan" situation; it's a case of Revan not being the most appropriate choice.

WARNING THERE MAY BE SPILERS AHEAD!

I think he/she (I hope it's not a Spoiler because the game is more than 10 years old) is a fair choice, there is a lot going on outside the original trilogy and Revan was the most iconic character of the Old Republic era, and those who are familiar with the story of KoTOR are IMO eager to collect this minifig, not just because it's beautiful but because this character grew on everybody who played the first game. Also I think it's too conservative to always stay in the OT era, yes this is mostly an AFOL community and those people grew up with the releasing of OT, but the SW universe is far beyond that and KoTOR is a remarkable tale of it. Not that I would say no to an OT promo fig but TLG hasn't done anything innovative from that era a long time ago just releasing the same things with more up-to-date design.

  On 3/29/2014 at 12:19 AM, Csacsa234 said:

I think he/she (I hope it's not a Spoiler because the game is more than 10 years old) is a fair choice, there is a lot going on outside the original trilogy and Revan was the most iconic character of the Old Republic era, and those who are familiar with the story of KoTOR are IMO eager to collect this minifig, not just because it's beautiful but because this character grew on everybody who played the first game. Also I think it's too conservative to always stay in the OT era, yes this is mostly an AFOL community and those people grew up with the releasing of OT, but the SW universe is far beyond that and KoTOR is a remarkable tale of it. Not that I would say no to an OT promo fig but TLG hasn't done anything innovative from that era a long time ago just releasing the same things with more up-to-date design.

I'm not saying Revan is a bad choice, nor am I saying that everything has to be OT-era; I'm saying that if I were told to pick any character out of the EU to become an exclusive promotional minifig, Revan would not seem the most logical choice to me.

Can we get back on topic? I think this thread has devolved into controversy about sarcasm and long winded canon discourse. I'm sure there's a thread for that other than in the 2014 sets pictures and rumors.

Darth Revan is confirmed as the May 4th promo. Just need to spend $75 to get it.

http://www.neoape.co...ailable-in-may/

Darth Revan is real:

http://i.imgur.com/QvHt8W1.jpg

  On 3/29/2014 at 1:45 AM, ETAV8R said:

Can we get back on topic? I think this thread has devolved into controversy about sarcasm and long winded canon discourse. I'm sure there's a thread for that other than in the 2014 sets pictures and rumors.

Um, no. This topic has become a discussion of whether or not Darth Revan is an appropriate choice for an exclusive minifigure, a discussion both on-topic and unrelated to the sarcasm discussion of a few days ago.

  On 3/29/2014 at 1:56 AM, neomonkey said:

Darth Revan is confirmed as the May 4th promo. Just need to spend $75 to get it.

[snip]

http://www.neoape.co...ailable-in-may/

Thanks for the confirmation!

Great news about Darth Revan!!! Although, I wonder what that means for the TC-4 availability?

  On 3/29/2014 at 2:41 AM, The_Chosen_1 said:

Great news about Darth Revan!!! Although, I wonder what that means for the TC-4 availability?

It might be a similar situation like the clone Lieutenant last year. So maybe during Fall.

Indeed, I'm more concerned about getting TC-4. Prequel deleted scene character or not, I can always use more protocol droids (and astromechs, power droids, etc.). The beauty of them is that they'll work in the prequel or OT eras equally well.

Welp, between the Martian Manhunter and this promotion, my wallet's crying. And here I was planning to only spend $ on the TABA Hobbit stuff in December...damn it Lego. But seriously, this is so awesome for being real.

  On 3/28/2014 at 9:54 PM, Fuppylodders said:

That is because there can only be 1 sith apprentice, and 1 sith lord ;)

That's more of a recommendation. Yoda took it too seriously and basically said it was a rule. Obviously even in Clone Wars there were a lot more Sith than 2. And they did use to have an empire full of them. If anything I'd say the rule of two really kind of screwed them. Unless you're Palpatine you usually can't take over the galaxy with just a couple.

That's awesome about the figure. Now what set to buy...I guess I'll wait and see if any good deals are to be had.

I'm going to be living in London by that time. I assume it's over there. Might take that chance to go to the Lego store there.

  On 3/29/2014 at 4:36 AM, BrickG said:

That's more of a recommendation. Yoda took it too seriously and basically said it was a rule. Obviously even in Clone Wars there were a lot more Sith than 2. And they did use to have an empire full of them. If anything I'd say the rule of two really kind of screwed them. Unless you're Palpatine you usually can't take over the galaxy with just a couple.

Might want to go read up on Wookieepedia before making vague statements ;) The various Empires of the Sith all happened before 1000 BBY, which is roughly when the Rule Of Two was established. From 1000 BBY right up to the prequels, the Rule Of Two is maintained. Here's a quick breakdown:

True Rule Of Two Sith Line in the prequel era:

DARTH PLAGUEIS

• Apprentice is Darth Sidious, who kills him and takes his place.
  

DARTH SIDIOUS

• 1st Apprentice is Darth Maul, who fails against Obi-Wan in Episode I and loses the position.
  
• 2nd Apprentice is Darth Tyranus, who is more powerful than Maul, but is just a political tool eventually betrayed when convenient - Anakin kills him.
  
• 3rd Apprentice is Darth Vader, the one Sidious wanted all along. His potential is stifled by Obi-wan on Mustafar, and as a weakened cyborg, he can thus only serve as Sidious' tool, not his successor.
  
• 4th Apprentice would have been Luke Skywalker, the most powerful Force User on record when all is said and done, and Sidious' perfect apprentice - but Luke resists and Sidious perishes at the hand of Vader, and so the Rule of Two collapses.
  

FALSE "SITH" aka Dark-Siders

• Darth Maul: After he is bisected in Theed, he goes through exile and reappears in a weak cyborg state in the Clone Wars. Ultimately he is beaten into submission by Sidious after he grows too bold. Maul was never fully trained as a True Rule Of Two Sith since he cannot cast Force Lightning and is primarily a martial pawn.
  
• Savage Opress: Maul's brother and apprentice, he is a false creation of Nightsister magic. Also reduced to a cyborg state over time, he is slain by Sidious. He never came close to true Sith power, despite working with Tyranus, Ventress, and Maul at various times.
  
• Asajj Ventress: Tyranus' "apprentice," she's just another Dark-Side Force-using pawn with knowledge or ability of true Sith arts. Ultimately abandoned by Tyranus altogether and walks her own path.
  
• General Grievous: Mostly a cyborg with basically no Force ability whatsoever, he merely is a commander and lightsaber wielder who Tyranus trains from time to time.
  
• Other dark-side users pop up throughout the prequel-era canon, but none are actual Sith. Any Force user can fall to the dark side. The Sith are a specific, extremely reclusive sect. At least in the Rule of Two era. The Rule of One is another story, but with the new movies making all post ROTJ EU non canon (most likely), there is no Rule of One.
  

Gotta be honest, I never understood how there could be 'balance in the force' if there was only two Sith and oodles of Jedi... That makes a lot more sense if the Sith were just a faction of the dark side.

For that matter, when they talked about Anakin bringing balance, when there were oodles of Jedi and ZERO known dark lords, that should have been pretty clearly a bad thing.

Maybe Yoda wasn't that wise after all.

;)

Anywho, I need to think about what I'm going to do to get up to $75 on SW stuff for May the 4th... I don't need the Sandcrawler that soon, and I have most everything else I want. Maybe the system-scale MF...