Transformers

[5150 Lego]

Product Placement...it was a huge publicity stunt.

Ok, you front the $150,000,000 for the movie. When a company comes in to help out with the bill you might just take them up on that. Again, there products took absolutly nothing away from the movie, so i don't see the problem.

But if it worked back then, why not now? Surely we haven't become THAT self-centered and egotistical that we can't enjoy something unless we're the focus....

We weren't the focus. It was all part of the story line.

Yes, maybe if he had a sense of humor he'd realize the absolute truth that your sense of humor is better! Oh wait, everyone had a different sense of humor, and he, along with A GREAT DEAL MORE, felt that the humor was lame, corny (not in the good way), and just plain pathetic. You like it? Good for you, you have a different sense of humor, but do NOT start insulting people because they don't laugh at the things that make you laugh.

i never insulted him becase of his sense of humor. Nor was i saying mine was better than his. He he took it that way i opoligise. But read my post again. His main claim is that they weren't taking the movie that was BASED ON AN 80'S CARTOON AND TOYS Sseriously because bumble bee pissed on an agent and had a sector 7 shirt on. Thats were so many people are failing to realize. It was, and for most was an action movie. Not the next academy award winning "film" You want one of those "films" go to the sundance film festevel. I don't think i would have wanted to see what some of the "die hards" would have wanted to see.

I guess you've never heard of The Phantom Edit then? There are many times that die-hard fans know what the movie should have been, if only from what the movie they saw wasn't. Okay, this was a movie for 'everyone', too bad it turns the die-hard fans off enough to keep them from buying the DVD, merchandise, and re-watching the movie. They shouldn't have tailored the movie for everyone, but rather made the movie the best it could be WITHOUT worrying about who would see it. That's how the best movies are made, they're creative efforts that don't worry about who will like it, and how they can make the most money. And when it's something like this, pissing off the primary fanbase is just a horrible idea. Look at what happened with the prequels....

First off, they did somthing right, cause like i said before, 95% of the "die hard fans" turned a 180 and enjoyed it. So obviously Micheal Bay made it at least some what what it "should have been".

Second, please tell me your kidding right? Your going to talor a $150,000,000 movie based on only one johnera of people? From what some said the movie "should have been" it would have been farther from the origional than they claim this movie was. And when your making a movie of this magantude, sorry, but worring about who is going to see it going to be one of your main concerns. Thats how you get more work. You really think Micheal bay and the rest of the producers made this movie thinking..

"Hmm.. How can we talor this to everyone, but completely piss off all the 80's fan base to the point were they wouldn't want to come back and see it again? I know, lets add some comedy, turn Bumble Bee into a camaro, put flames on optimus prime, make the autobots all GM vehicles, and last but not least, make the most highly detailed CGI robots ever scene on film! There we go! Thats it! perfect.!!!"

Um no. You have to apeal to everyone to make a movie sucessfull. Call it a sell out, but Bay and the rest will be called into work tommorow.

Wouldn't you say a movie should have more than a single scene that a person likes?

Sure. I'm not saying that one scene is going to make the movie great, i'm just saying thati can't beilve that there wasn't one part that he didn't get a little kick out of.

Sounds like he gave it a chance, why else would he watch it, with his wife right there, as a means to show her and justify his hobby to her? Although you have to admit, seeing the radical change in character design, minimal use of dialogue, lame acting, and bastardization of the plot into a human-centric script would turn most people off who actually want to see Transformers, and not "Humans A, B, and C with guest stars: The Transformers"

Based on his coments in previous posts it sounded like he preety much had his mind made up. He claiimed that the acting was horrible based on a 2 minute trailer. Com'on dude. I could see if he waited to see the movie first, but based on a 2 minute trailer doesn't make sense. And personaly, i thought the acting was preety good. i really don't see where your getting that the acting was lame.

As for the character designs, i've gone though that many times. When you have a movie like this, you need to take full advantage of the technolgy available. Becasue like it or not, thats what people are going to remember the most. 80's cartoons on the big screen wouldn't have cut it. As i and many have already said before, most felt the movie was great. Dispite on what you and others claim what it "should have been". :-P For me personally, i'm more into transformers than ever. I just recently picked up a the Energon series. (pure crap. Couldn't even finish it.) and amlooking for the original series on DVD. Even found one of my dinobots in storage the other day! He's missing a leg though. :-(

[Brainbox]

If you check some of the SDCC07 coverage on-line, you can find a snippet of the new cartoon. Looks like at least one more Dinobot (Swoop).

http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/content.p...ated+Video.html

Here's a link to the video. It's great how everyone cheers for the Dinobots, then again for Starscream talking. Some of the toys are shown (in the video) as well, but obviously not as clearly as the pics you posted.

It's definitely different, but in this case, I think that's a good thing. They all look pretty cool really. I actually really like Bulkhead. Don't know why, perhaps because he's 'the most different.' And Prowl appears to be a bit ninja-like.

Oh, btw, Slag was the Triceratops in G1, so it's safe to assume that he is here too.

EDIT: Some more pics from SDCC can be found here. There's pictures of new Movie figures (mostly repaints but not all), Robot Heroes, Animated and Universe/Classics 2.0.

Sideswipe and Sunstreaker look cool.

Edited July 29, 2007 by Brainbox

[Starwars4J]

Ok, you front the $150,000,000 for the movie. When a company comes in to help out with the bill you might just take them up on that. Again, there products took absolutly nothing away from the movie, so i don't see the problem.

Then don't say they didn't profit or anything. They were selling out. You think people use product placement for the hell of it? No, they use it to help pay the bills. The sad thing is that it's noticeable and detracts from the film.

We weren't the focus. It was all part of the story line.

Except that in the storyline humans played a minor part at best. In this movie humans had most of the lines, and a large focus. When you think of the movie, who's the first name that will come to your mind as the protagonist? The human kid, or Optimus? :-| Humans should have barely been in it, that would be the story line.

i never insulted him becase of his sense of humor. Nor was i saying mine was better than his. He he took it that way i opoligise. But read my post again.

I did, you said that he needs a sense of humor. Well I'm pretty sure he has one, I mean he's a funny guy, so to say he doesn't, just because he doesn't like what's written into the movie is...well it makes no sense.

His main claim is that they weren't taking the movie that was BASED ON AN 80'S CARTOON AND TOYS Sseriously because bumble bee pissed on an agent and had a sector 7 shirt on. Thats were so many people are failing to realize. It was, and for most was an action movie. Not the next academy award winning "film" You want one of those "films" go to the sundance film festevel. I don't think i would have wanted to see what some of the "die hards" would have wanted to see.

Um, since when does an action movie have to have no plot? You can't say "well it has no plot...and things don't make sense...and a lot of the dialogue sucked...and there was no brilliance in it because it was an action flick. Honestly if they're going to piggyback off such a large and powerful fanbase, they should invest the time, effort, and creativity to make it a great movie. There's absolutely no reason it couldn't have been the next academy award-winning film. You can have action and a brilliant film, you know.

First off, they did somthing right, cause like i said before, 95% of the "die hard fans" turned a 180 and enjoyed it. So obviously Micheal Bay made it at least some what what it "should have been".

Besides doubting the whole 95% thing, it maybe was okay for $11 admission, but to say

Second, please tell me your kidding right? Your going to talor a $150,000,000 movie based on only one johnera of people?

johnera? *wacko* anyway guess what? If they couldn't make it for the fans (which, honestly, would make the most sense. Why not make it for the people who love what it's supposed to be?) then they shouldn't have made it. They can't afford $150 million? Guess what? It didn't have to cost $150 million. Hire less well-known actors, make the visuals a little less. There are a million ways to cut the cost. A true artist would never sacrifice their artistic vision for the sake of money. That's called a sell-out. A sell-out for the sake of saying "look! we made $150,000,000 film! Come see it please :'-( "

From what some said the movie "should have been" it would have been farther from the origional than they claim this movie was.

Where are you getting that from?

And when your making a movie of this magantude, sorry, but worring about who is going to see it going to be one of your main concerns.

If you're just worried about making a lot of money, yes. If you want to make a beautiful representation, a memorable film based on what your vision is, not at all. Lucas, when he was making Star Wars didn't expect it to be liked at all. He would have been grateful for the film remaking the production cost, and even then wasn't counting on it. But you know what? He didn't tweak the movie to make it what he thought the fans wanted, he kept it the way he wanted it. That's the difference between the Prequels and the Original Trilogy.

Thats how you get more work. You really think Micheal bay and the rest of the producers made this movie thinking..

"Hmm.. How can we talor this to everyone, but completely piss off all the 80's fan base to the point were they wouldn't want to come back and see it again? I know, lets add some comedy, turn Bumble Bee into a camaro, put flames on optimus prime, make the autobots all GM vehicles, and last but not least, make the most highly detailed CGI robots ever scene on film! There we go! Thats it! perfect.!!!"

And yet that's exactly what they did *wacko*

Um no. You have to apeal to everyone to make a movie sucessfull. Call it a sell out, but Bay and the rest will be called into work tommorow.

Exactly, he was more worried about money and his career than making a masterpiece. "Hey, let's just make another action flick! It'll get the ADD-audience of today to sit in their seats for the two hours, and they won't have to worry about following it. Explosions, explosions, explosions!"

Sure. I'm not saying that one scene is going to make the movie great, i'm just saying thati can't beilve that there wasn't one part that he didn't get a little kick out of.

Maybe there was, but that's not enough to make it good

Based on his coments in previous posts it sounded like he preety much had his mind made up. He claiimed that the acting was horrible based on a 2 minute trailer. Com'on dude. I could see if he waited to see the movie first, but based on a 2 minute trailer doesn't make sense. And personaly, i thought the acting was preety good. i really don't see where your getting that the acting was lame.

There are very few movies today that have good acting, and even fewer that have great acting. The level of what's made today is so low, that the bar hasn't even been set lower, it's been dropped. Therefore when you see some really bad acting you think "hey, that was pretty good", and when you see some really good acting...oh wait, you don't anymore :-|

As for the character designs, i've gone though that many times. When you have a movie like this, you need to take full advantage of the technolgy available. Becasue like it or not, thats what people are going to remember the most.

No, you don't 'need' to, but you still could have without making the Autobots what they were. You could have kept the super-realistic textures and CGI without radically changing the appearance. It's akin to some game designer throwing a crappy game out with great visuals just to show off the new hardware.

80's cartoons on the big screen wouldn't have cut it. As i and many have already said before, most felt the movie was great. Dispite on what you and others claim what it "should have been". :-P

I guess we won't know how it would've done now since it was buried...

For me personally, i'm more into transformers than ever.

No, you're not. You're a Transformers the Movie fan, not a Transformers fan. They're two entirely different things sadly, especially if...

I just recently picked up a the Energon series. (pure crap. Couldn't even finish it.) and amlooking for the original series on DVD. Even found one of my dinobots in storage the other day! He's missing a leg though. :-(

So you liked the original series and hated the new one?

Anyway if all you're worried about is money (like you seem to be suggesting), then make the movie a generic action flick, and leave transformers out of it. If you're going to make movies based on a well-established franchise, then do it right.

Edited July 29, 2007 by Starwars4J

[Brainbox]

You're a Transformers the Movie fan, not a Transformers fan. They're two entirely different things sadly, especially if...

And they shouldn't be. The whole of TF fandom should be united despite it's difference in opinion. By that same reckoning, BW fans are different from other TF fans. Same as fans of the Unicron Trilogy are different from fans of RID.

Each era of TF is different, but still recogniseably TF. I think that someone can be a Transfan but still dislike one particular generation.

"Till all are one."

[Starwars4J]

I agree, but this isn't transformers. This is an action flick loosely based on the transformers...

All of the other generations did have differences, true. However they all focused on the struggle between the two sides of transformers. This not only has a radical departure in design (which can be forgiven), but it has a radical departure in story and focus. This movie isn't about Autobot vs. Deceptacon, it's about the Humans surviving the war. The robots barely spoke, they were barely in character, and they took a backseat. As much as I agree that the various incarnations of Transformers have differences, they were all at least somewhat similar, they were all recognizably Transformers. This...has a departure from that.

[dviddy]

The movie had giant robots, that turned into vehicles.

How this somehow becomes 'Not Transformers', I don't know. You don't like it? Fine. But whether you like it or not (and audience response was clearly and overwhelmingly positive, you're in the minority.

Welcome to being a minor, bitter, unhappy fan.

But unfortunately, especially as most Geewunners who decided Bay was raping their childhood turned around, and posted positive reviews of the movie, your minority viewpoint is now even less powerful.

It sucks, but it's how it works. Whether you like it or not, this is Transformers. Whether some like it or not, Beast Machines was Transformers. Beast Wars was Transformers.

Fans don't get to decide what is and isn't part of the label. Hasbro does. You can decide which parts you do and don't like, and disregard accordingly. But this IS Transformers.

GIANT ROBOTS THAT TURN INTO SOMETHING ELSE = TRANSFORMERS.

<<DV>>

[Starwars4J]

GIANT ROBOTS THAT TURN INTO SOMETHING ELSE = TRANSFORMERS.

<<DV>>

So in Robotech, giant robots that turned into fighters...they're transformers? :-|

You need to realize that while it carries the label of "Transformers", the radical departure in terms of focus makes it more "Man's struggle to survive...with Guest Stars: the Transformers". And besides, transforming robots is hardly a transformers-only thing. I can list half a dozen other shows that have used the exact same thing, the thing that made transformers unique was making the robots the focus, which was lost here.

Edited July 29, 2007 by Starwars4J

[Echo]

Well, Trasformers has made so much money that the opinions of the few GeeWunners who still hate it are totally irrelevant.

[5150 Lego]

Then don't say they didn't profit or anything. They were selling out. You think people use product placement for the hell of it? No, they use it to help pay the bills. The sad thing is that it's noticeable and detracts from the film.

First off i did say that part of the reason the autobots were Gm vehicles was becase of profit and cost. And how the hell does it detract from the film? How does Bumblee Bee being a camaro, Rachet being an H2 hummer, jazz being a Pontiac Solstic, and Iron Hide being a GM TopKick noticably take away from the film? Please explain that.

Except that in the storyline humans played a minor part at best. In this movie humans had most of the lines, and a large focus. When you think of the movie, who's the first name that will come to your mind as the protagonist? The human kid, or Optimus? :-| Humans should have barely been in it, that would be the story line.

We all would have loved to see more of the bots. I'll admit that would have made the movie better, but it all worked toeghter just fine. It was nessasary (as much as you won't admit it) for the humans to be in it. And the first thing that i think of, my girl friend, freinds parents and the rest of the people think of when we think of this movie is Optimus Prime. Alot of my frineds saw the movie were taken back to being kids. Sorry if you couldn't look past the Gm trucks to get that feeling yourself. :-|

Um, since when does an action movie have to have no plot? You can't say "well it has no plot...and things don't make sense...and a lot of the dialogue sucked...and there was no brilliance in it because it was an action flick. Honestly if they're going to piggyback off such a large and powerful fanbase, they should invest the time, effort, and creativity to make it a great movie. There's absolutely no reason it couldn't have been the next academy award-winning film. You can have action and a brilliant film, you know.

What exactly didn't make sense to you? I'm not trying to be a smart megablocks, but seriously, i thought everything was explained preety well. Again, we could argue to death. But i felt it was a great movie. I did have a plot. As much as you won't admit it. Just not the one you wanted to see. Maybe it could have been an academy award winning film. But if it was, i garrantee you it wouldn't have been transformers.

Besides doubting the whole 95% thing, it maybe was okay for $11 admission

Read the TF forums. For every 20 or so good coments about the movie, there was one bad one. And many came back to say they were wrong to pass judgment intill they acctually saw the movie.

and that they felt it was good.

johnera? *wacko* anyway guess what? If they couldn't make it for the fans (which, honestly, would make the most sense. Why not make it for the people who love what it's supposed to be?) then they shouldn't have made it. They can't afford $150 million? Guess what? It didn't have to cost $150 million. Hire less well-known actors, make the visuals a little less. There are a million ways to cut the cost. A true artist would never sacrifice their artistic vision for the sake of money. That's called a sell-out. A sell-out for the sake of saying "look! we made $150,000,000 film! Come see it please :'-( "

you have to have a balance to please everyone. As much as you claim that its just so easy to make a big budget movie, you contradict alot of what your saying. Shia Lebloef, isn't exactly main stream, and this was Megan Fox's first movie. The only a few really main stream actors. And most of the Budget was due to the CGI. All the things that ytou claim could have been done to cut cost are what make second rate "B" flicks that ussually just go straight to DVD. use less known,more crappy actors? Weren't you just claiming about the acting sucking? But wait, the main human characters were those less well known actors.

Less visuals? Are you serious? You realise it thing like this that make the "great film" that you were hoping to see.

And no one was saying they couldn't afford the $150,000,000, but its nice to have somone to help out. And Bay got his Artistic vision out just fine.

Where are you getting that from?

Again, reading the TF forums. Many claim that it wasn't dark enough, but claim to be die hard 80's fans. I don't see how the original series was as "dark" as they want.

If you're just worried about making a lot of money, yes. If you want to make a beautiful representation, a memorable film based on what your vision is, not at all. Lucas, when he was making Star Wars didn't expect it to be liked at all. He would have been grateful for the film remaking the production cost, and even then wasn't counting on it. But you know what? He didn't tweak the movie to make it what he thought the fans wanted, he kept it the way he wanted it. That's the difference between the Prequels and the Original Trilogy.

Exactly. Thank you very much. You just proved my point. X-D See what happens? Do what you want, make it YOUR vision, and most times, you have somthing great. Concentrate on what others want then you get disaster. In this case, Lucus did what he wanted in the first movie, and got somthing great that blew up beyond what anyone ever imagined. Then he tried to please "the fans" and got nothing but piss and moans.

Add might i add, one of the reasons the original three movies did so well, was becase of the visuals. Way ahead of its time. There's alot of movies today that fail to compare.

And yet that's exactly what they did *wacko* So i guess we just should have gotten a 2 hour cartoon with the same animation as in the 80's.

Exactly, he was more worried about money and his career than making a masterpiece. "Hey, let's just make another action flick! It'll get the ADD-audience of today to sit in their seats for the two hours, and they won't have to worry about following it. Explosions, explosions, explosions!"

then if TF shouldn't have been an action flick, then what should it have been?

There are very few movies today that have good acting, and even fewer that have great acting. The level of what's made today is so low, that the bar hasn't even been set lower, it's been dropped. Therefore when you see some really bad acting you think "hey, that was pretty good", and when you see some really good acting...oh wait, you don't anymore :-|

If acting is as crappy as you say now a days, then why were you expecting this one to break the mold with acting?

No, you don't 'need' to, but you still could have without making the Autobots what they were. You could have kept the super-realistic textures and CGI without radically changing the appearance. It's akin to some game designer throwing a crappy game out with great visuals just to show off the new hardware.

...

Thats life in the industry.

No, you're not. You're a Transformers the Movie fan, not a Transformers fan. They're two entirely different things sadly,

Sorry, but thats just s really stupid coment. So someone that enjoys the film is automaticly only a movie fan? Its not posible for someone to enjoy the movie, found parts that they liked or can relate back to the oringal series? So that person is a movie fan and not a true fan? So what that this movie got me back into the hobby. manybe i'm not as "die hard" as you are. But to be honest, if thats your attitude,then i'm really glad i'm not.

So you liked the original series and hated the new one?...

I guess so.

Anyway if all you're worried about is money (like you seem to be suggesting), then make the movie a generic action flick, and leave transformers out of it. If you're going to make movies based on a well-established franchise, then do it right.

No its not all about money, but you have to be realistic and know that it is part of it. Why shouldn't they aim to make a profit for all there hard work.

Look, i beilve it or not, i do kinda relate were your coming from. I felt preety much the same way you and Jin. feel when the movie DOOM came out. The only differnce is that the movie other than taking place on mars really had nothing to do with the game. I nearly walked out. (should have really). but with TF it brought me back to when i was a kid eating me bowl of cereal in one handand my stuffed bunny thumper in the other.

Edited July 29, 2007 by 5150 Lego

[Starwars4J]

What exactly didn't make sense to you? I'm not trying to be a smart megablocks, but seriously, i thought everything was explained preety well.

I wasn't confused about anything, I only said the plot was too focused on the humans IMO.

you have to have a balance to please everyone...were those less well known actors.

Wait, wait. Since when do big-name actors automatically make better actors? Many of the real quality actors of today (such as Harrison Ford) were relative nobodies that were dragged onto stage. Shia isn't exactly a great actor IMO, and they would have been better off with a much less-well-known actor who was just as good or better. You know that the more famous an actor is, the larger his paycheque becomes...that drives up price too. As for a 'B' movie that goes right to DVD? That isn't because of visuals, no matter what the visuals are, a quality script can make any movie a classic. Movies aren't determined by their special effects, they aren't made successes by the amount of money poured into them, the truly good, 'cult classics' are made good by suburb acting and a beautifully-written script. This movie made money off of the brand name and a lot of lights.

Less visuals? Are you serious? You realise it thing like this that make the "great film" that you were hoping to see.

Not at all, if you think a movie has ever been made great by the special effects...

And no one was saying they couldn't afford the $150,000,000, but its nice to have somone to help out. And Bay got his Artistic vision out just fine.

Bay should never have been directing it. He's not a Transformers fan, he did it for the money and fame.

Thank you very much. You just proved my point. X-D See what happens? Do what you want, make it YOUR vision, and most times, you have somthing great. Concentrate on what others want then you get disaster. In this case, Lucus did what he wanted in the first movie, and got somthing great that blew up beyond what anyone ever imagined. Then he tried to please "the fans" and got nothing but piss and moans.

Whoa, he didn't try to please the fans with the prequels. The fans wanted Jar-jar dead. Lucas kept him alive. The fans wanted to see Anakin slaughter the Jedi, we got that taken out. The fans wanted less CGI and Lucas put more in. The only thing the fans have gotten that they've wanted was the release of the Untouched Original Trilogy. Everything else that Lucas did was his own mission to make more money, and it turned out horribly. It was pretty, it had lots of nice lights and special effects, but it had wooden acting and a crappy script.

Add might i add, one of the reasons the original three movies did so well, was becase of the visuals. Way ahead of its time. There's alot of movies today that fail to compare.

The movie did well for the script, the acting, and the novelty of it all. Sci-fi flicks weren't being shown back then, Star Wars was a breath of fresh air. The visuals were nice, but they didn't make the movie. It's possible to have both an excellent movie based on script AND special effects ya know...and Star Wars didn't even cost that much to produce if you remember.

then if TF shouldn't have been an action flick, then what should it have been?

Something a little more epic would've been nice.

If acting is as crappy as you say now a days, then why were you expecting this one to break the mold with acting?

Because there are still some good actors out there. They should have focused on the story rather than the special effects, that's all I'm saying. You can't just say:

Thats life in the industry.

and make it an excuse for a movie to not be all it can. Either you make a movie for the sake of the movie, or you make a movie for the sake of making money. Bay did the latter.

Sorry, but thats just s really stupid coment. So someone that enjoys the film is automaticly only a movie fan? Its not posible for someone to enjoy the movie, found parts that they liked or can relate back to the oringal series? So that person is a movie fan and not a true fan? So what that this movie got me back into the hobby. manybe i'm not as "die hard" as you are. But to be honest, if thats your attitude,then i'm really glad i'm not.

Should I mention that I'm not a Transformers Fan? I mean I liked the series well enough, but I never really cared all that much about it. What bugs me about this is that it's another instance of some big producer coming into something he doesn't care about, and taking it in an entirely different direction for the sake of money

No its not all about money, but you have to be realistic and know that it is part of it. Why shouldn't they aim to make a profit for all there hard work.

They should, but they should place the art above the profit, otherwise hand it to a more able director who can do both.

Edit: And I want to clear something up, I wasn't trying to tell you that you're not a Transformers fan, but with that statement distinguish the difference between classic Transformers, and this new movie loosely based on them :-P

Edited July 29, 2007 by Starwars4J

[5150 Lego]

I wasn't confused about anything, I only said the plot was too focused on the humans IMO.

Well if thats your opinion that thats fine. But personally i felt it all was nessasary to the story. For example..

Bumble has always preferred the company of humans over bots. I felt they did a great job of showing that. Him helping sam get closer to Micheala was perfect example of that. And at the end when he wanted to stay with sam. It all worked out. And i still don't see how it was "guess staring the Transfomers". It was thier battle. It always was.

Wait, wait. Since when do big-name actors automatically make better actors? Many of the real quality actors of today (such as Harrison Ford) were relative nobodies that were dragged onto stage. Shia isn't exactly a great actor IMO, and they would have been better off with a much less-well-known actor who was just as good or better.

In that perspective, less known actors don't make any better ones. And i can't agree with that shia being as bad an actor as you said. I thought shia did a great job. And since he only stared in one movie before that, (whitch he did good on as well, whitch is one of the reasons he got the part) i don't see why they should have chosen anyone else less known. That just donsn't make any sence.

You know that the more famous an actor is, the larger his paycheque becomes...that drives up price too. As for a 'B' movie that goes right to DVD? That isn't because of visuals, no matter what the visuals are, a quality script can make any movie a classic. Movies aren't determined by their special effects, they aren't made successes by the amount of money poured into them, the truly good, 'cult classics' are made good by suburb acting and a beautifully-written script. This movie made money off of the brand name and a lot of lights.

No, visuals don't make a good mmovie by itself, its a combo of stript, visuals, and speacail effects. But were not talking about a movie like the Piano, or Citizen Cane. Were talking about Transformers. even if script was writen as specacular as you would have liked it to be, being that the bots would be the main focus, having crappy visuals, and speacail effects would have sent this movie right donw the pooper. Like it or not, thats whats going to make or break a movie like this. i don't care how "spectacular" the script is. If the bots weren't animated correctly, that would have been it.

Bay should never have been directing it. He's not a Transformers fan, he did it for the money and fame.

That doesn't really make any sence. Just casue somones a fan doesn't make them a good director. Again, bay did a great job.

Whoa, he didn't try to please the fans with the prequels. The fans wanted Jar-jar dead. Lucas kept him alive. The fans wanted to see Anakin slaughter the Jedi, we got that taken out. The fans wanted less CGI and Lucas put more in. The only thing the fans have gotten that they've wanted was the release of the Untouched Original Trilogy. Everything else that Lucas did was his own mission to make more money, and it turned out horribly. It was pretty, it had lots of nice lights and special effects, but it had wooden acting and a crappy script.

Your still not making any sence though. he followed his vision in the first 3 Star wars, and there was sucsess. He doesn the same, and ends up bombing? Sounds like its a no win situation with the fans.

The movie did well for the script, the acting, and the novelty of it all. Sci-fi flicks weren't being shown back then, Star Wars was a breath of fresh air. The visuals were nice, but they didn't make the movie. It's possible to have both an excellent movie based on script AND special effects ya know...and Star Wars didn't even cost that much to produce if you remember.

Not by todays standards no it didn't cost that much. But your right. There really wasn't anything like it being shown at the time whitch helped contribute to its sucsess. But the problem is that to make a sucseesful movie today( espeacailly any kind of scifi action flix with CGI or Animations) is that your going to be compared with other films of the same caliber. Thats why the visuals and animation (weather it be CGI, clay or whatever) are so important. You can't take away from that for the sake of saving money and still expect people to just over look that becasue the script was just fenominal. Again, this is TF, so i don't know how much of a masterpiece of a script you can get considering that the hole story was based on a kids cartoon in from the 80's. Yes, the script is just as important, and i realize its possible to do both at the same time. I felt they acomplished that with with this movie. Other wise i really don't think so many people would have enjoyed the movie and gotten such great reviews as it has.

Edit: And I want to clear something up, I wasn't trying to tell you that you're not a Transformers fan, but with that statement distinguish the difference between classic Transformers, and this new movie loosely based on them :-P

But why can't somone be both? I know plenty (some are even here meembers here on eurobricks :-) ) that seem to be both. I don't think its fair to distingwish between the two.

Edited July 30, 2007 by 5150 Lego

[Starwars4J]

i don't see why they should have chosen anyone else less known. That just donsn't make any sence.

Cheaper

That doesn't really make any sence. Just casue somones a fan doesn't make them a good director. Again, bay did a great job.

Actually it matters a great deal. A fan knows what Transformers should be, any old director just knows "hey, this sounds like it might look cool lol"

Your still not making any sence though. he followed his vision in the first 3 Star wars, and there was sucsess. He doesn the same, and ends up bombing? Sounds like its a no win situation with the fans.

Actually it makes perfect sense...he made the first three. Then he changed and became one of the very kinds of directors that he hated. He then sold out and made what "lol that sounds cool", completely disregarding both the fans and his former creative process. He made what he thought would appeal to everyone, rather than what Star Wars was supposed to be.

Not by todays standards no it didn't cost that much.

No, even back then it was really cheap.

But the problem is that to make a sucseesful movie today( espeacailly any kind of scifi action flix with CGI or Animations) is that your going to be compared with other films of the same caliber. Thats why the visuals and animation (weather it be CGI, clay or whatever) are so important. You can't take away from that for the sake of saving money and still expect people to just over look that becasue the script was just fenominal.

It's sad to me that you think that way, there are many, many good movies out there in the science fiction genre that don't rely on high-tech CGI. Something doesn't need to be crappy with lesser cost you know.

Again, this is TF, so i don't know how much of a masterpiece of a script you can get considering that the hole story was based on a kids cartoon in from the 80's.

Then that's why you don't get it, you're walking into it with a "lol this was a kids cartoon, let's make it CGI, then it will be hardkore lol" attitude. It makes me wonder how much of a transformers fan you are, since you mentioned earlier that it brought you back...but you seem to look down upon the original cartoon.

But why can't somone be both? I know plenty (some are even here meembers here on eurobricks :-) ) that seem to be both. I don't think its fair to distingwish between the two.

You can be, but that's the point. You can be a classic transformers fan and a movie transformers fan, a classic transformers fan, or a movie transformers fan. They are separate things.

[5150 Lego]

Cheaper

Cheaper does not mean better.

Actually it matters a great deal. A fan knows what Transformers should be, any old director just knows "hey, this sounds like it might look cool lol"

But just cause there a fan does not mean that the''ll be, or are a good director.

Actually it makes perfect sense...he made the first three. Then he changed and became one of the very kinds of directors that he hated. He then sold out and made what "lol that sounds cool", completely disregarding both the fans and his former creative process. He made what he thought would appeal to everyone, rather than what Star Wars was supposed to be.

Well personally, i don't see how it wasn't star wars, or how he "sold out". And from my understanding, the first 3 movies were writen before the last 3.

It's sad to me that you think that way, there are many, many good movies out there in the science fiction genre that don't rely on high-tech CGI. Something doesn't need to be crappy with lesser cost you know.

I realize that. What i'e been trying to point out is that like it or not, the bots animation plays a big part. Weather or not Bay made the movie, or somone else. If the technology is out there, it should be fully taken advantage of. This was (at least for me) a big highlight of the film. From when Blackout first transformed in the opening scene, to when Optimus Prime and the rest of the autobots first roled though the alley and transformed. All the detail in the transformation was remarkable. It is part of what made this such a great movie. sorry you didn't feel that way, but for me, that was a big part of it.

Then that's why you don't get it, you're walking into it with a "lol this was a kids cartoon, let's make it CGI, then it will be hardkore lol" attitude. It makes me wonder how much of a transformers fan you are, since you mentioned earlier that it brought you back...but you seem to look down upon the original cartoon..

I never ever at any point said that i looked down on it. As you even mentioned, many parts of the movie took me back to my childhood. What i'm getting at is that i understand what it was based on was in fact a childs cartoon. So i wouldn't want them to take it any more seriously than they did. I apreaciated the fact that it was made to entertain me just like the original cartoon did. But i also wanted to see a more evolved version and story line being it was going to be on the big screen. I have full respect for the original series, but am glad to see them evolve in there design. but at the same time, when you first saw optimus prime in the movie, there was no mistaking him.

You can be, but that's the point. You can be a classic transformers fan and a movie transformers fan, a classic transformers fan, or a movie transformers fan. They are separate things.

Alli know is that i enjoyed the oringinal series, and enjoyed the movie. I don't know what catagory i fall under, but to be honest, i don't care. Now its time to put my 80's dino bot next to my Leader class Opitmus Prime. With missing leg and all! :-P

[Starwars4J]

Well personally, i don't see how it wasn't star wars, or how he "sold out". And from my understanding, the first 3 movies were writen before the last 3.

Eh? He wrote 4, 5, and 6 (didn't really write 5). Then back in like '97/'98 he wrote Ep 1. He didn't have any "grand vision" and the plot has changed more times than you want to count. He's making it up as he goes along.

I realize that...a big part of it.

Well I'm not saying special effects are a bad thing, they're just a bad thing if they cost so much that you need to start selling out to product placement to cover the cost :-P

I never ever at any point said that i ...him.

That was because Optimus was one of the few who was kept somewhat recognizable, if you randomly saw a transformed Megatron, would you have recognized him right away?

Alli know is that i enjoyed the oringinal series, and enjoyed the movie. I don't know what catagory i fall under, but to be honest, i don't care. Now its time to put my 80's dino bot next to my Leader class Opitmus Prime. With missing leg and all! :-P

Take pics :-P

[5150 Lego]

Eh? He wrote 4, 5, and 6 (didn't really write 5). Then back in like '97/'98 he wrote Ep 1. He didn't have any "grand vision" and the plot has changed more times than you want to count. He's making it up as he goes along.

Well guess he felt he would do what he felt was right.

Well I'm not saying special effects are a bad thing, they're just a bad thing if they cost so much that you need to start selling out to product placement to cover the cost :-P

Again, please explain to me how any of the autobots being GM vechicles was selling out. now ifthey made Optimus Prime a Chevy Silverodo or somthing, then yes, i would defenatly agree. But all of the autobots really made an improvment as there allternates. There couldn't have been a better choice for Bumble Bee. Ironhide as a Minivan again? :-P Sorry, i don't think so.

That was because Optimus was one of the few who was kept somewhat recognizable, if you randomly saw a transformed Megatron, would you have recognized him right away?

No argument there. But in defense, i felt that it did end up working. He had the most evil,and meanacing appearance out of any of the Decepticions.

Take pics :-P

When i get home after work, no problem. X-D

[JINZONINGEN73]

So in Robotech, giant robots that turned into fighters...they're transformers? :-|

You need to realize that while it carries the label of "Transformers", the radical departure in terms of focus makes it more "Man's struggle to survive...with Guest Stars: the Transformers". And besides, transforming robots is hardly a transformers-only thing. I can list half a dozen other shows that have used the exact same thing, the thing that made transformers unique was making the robots the focus, which was lost here.

And while merely THAT would've pissed me off, the predominantly non-serious approach (just like in the American Godzilla)... no, not a non-serious approach... an absolutely CORNY attempt at making EVERY DAMN SCENE "funny"... THAT got me the worst of all.

To say, "But dude... wasn't the G1 cartoon corny?". "Wasn't G1 non-serious?".

Hell yeah it was, AT TIMES. But when they got serious... that's when it was at it's coolest.

Imagine watching the original movie...

Prime and Megatron are fighting.

Now wouldn't you have walked out of the theater if, instead of Hotrod getting in the way and going, "N-No you don't, Megatron!"... he instead said, "Woah, Leggo my Eggo!"? That's product placement. And hopefully to a normal person, pretty forced dialogue.

And what if, when Prime was downed for the last time, he said, "I've fallen, and I CAN'T GET UP!"... would that not be incredibly ridiculous and embarrassingly juvenile?

Say what you want about G1, but they were NEVER shooting for a laugh-a-minute. Even in the funniest of funny episodes that were even at times unintentionally funny... they weren't TRYING to make EVERYONE sound STUPID.

Echo

post Jul 29 2007, 03:52 PM

Well, Trasformers has made so much money that the opinions of the few GeeWunners who still hate it are totally irrelevant.

Because, as we ALL know, things that are popular with the majority of the masses are always GOOD things, yes? Sieg Heil!

Or, do they merely pander to base instincts to achieve a quick, non-substantive rush?

Explain to me then what made Paris Hilton, the Macarena and most celebrity news "popular" to the people.

it's called a GIANT advertising budget. Not quality of product.

And really, do you realize the media barrage that came months before this?

I go to work, and there's 5 people sitting at my break table drinking Mountain Dew with Autobot and Decepticon symbols on it.

THEN, the newspaper ads all have Transformers images in the electronics section, on tv and computer monitors.

THEN, the classic rock station has a car ad with a bimbo chick asking "if the car comes equipped with energon cannons" and a father asks, "if the car runs on Allspark Cube energy".

THEN, every website I went to at home had banners for the movie.

Do you realize that those, combined with the fact the word "Transformers" was used... just how BAD this movie would have had to have been to not make a ton of money?

Factor in too, that we're entering a world of robotics and technology, yet there's been like NO big-screen, live-action depictions going on? What was the last one in America... Robot Jox?

Transformers filled a void and had assloads of advertising. But "good"? Yikes.

Well guess he felt he would do what he felt was right.

Know what's funny? Lucas did 4, some of 5, and 6. Now, show me a Star Wars fan who doesn't think the 5th, Empire Strikes Back, was the best out of all 6.

But guess who didn't like it... George Lucas. Because HIS hands weren't all over it.

He's a pompous little man who makes money by turning the initially somewhat serious Star Wars franchise into an ever-increasingly BAD american cartoon. 4, 5... these were "good" movies.

Then, when I was just a young teen, I saw 6, Return of the Jedi. I still liked Star Wars, but I felt uncomfortable at how "silly" it'd become.

Your still not making any sence though. he followed his vision in the first 3 Star wars, and there was sucsess. He doesn the same, and ends up bombing? Sounds like its a no win situation with the fans.

No, it went from being about one thing, then turned into something really, really, really SILLY.

The first 2 Star Wars movies are not the last 4 that were released. It got insanely silly.

Even Lucas himself said in a (British) interview, "American fans don't realize the Star Wars franchise is aimed at kids".

Yeah, that was because, while being scifi and stuff in the first 2, it was undeniably "serious" at the beginning.

But by Jedi, it was TONS of Muppets, TONS of cheesy dialogue... it was a mess. Jedi was able to be stomached if you blockout parts of it, but by episode 1, 2 and 3... holy geez... CRAP overload.

That was the Transformers (2007) movie. Only instead of going from robots to people, it went from people to Muppets.

I don't care about what cars everyone turned into.

I don't care about flames on Optimus.

I don't care that it wasn't a 100% retelling of G1.

I don't care that Megatron's not a gun (lol).

I don't care about product placement.

I don't care that the robots weren't made of blocks connected by joints the size of toothpicks.

I DO care that it's trying and failing to be Independence Day, American Pie and Dawson's Creek all at the SAME time.

I DO care that the designs were SO drastic, that the robot (Frenzy) that did THE MOST WORK IN THE MOVIE, CAN'T EVEN BE TRANSLATED INTO A FREAKING TRANSFORMING TOY! Hello? At what point does it stop being "Transformers" again?

I DO care that the story sucked.

I DO care that every scene was an attempt at cheap humor.

I DO care that their heads... hell, just their freaking recognizable likenesses couldn't all be emulated.

Bleh, it was just a mess lol.

Did I like any scene in it?

... ... ...the part where Megatron was ramming Optimus through a building. That was cool.

But, we're talking just a few seconds here, aren't we?

How about the opening scene when Blackout attacked? Or when the autobots rolled though the alley to meet up with bumble bee? Barricades introgation or sam?

Saw it in the trailer.

Saw it in the trailer (not that big a deal, either).

And... meh.

But to be honest, you preety much had your mind made up about it before you saw it.

Read the script (which they TRIED to claim was "rough and unfinished", though it was nearly word-for-word and spot-on).

Saw the designs.

Saw the trailers.

So yes, my mind was made up before seeing, for I had already seen it.

But even at that, having given it a view, it would seem it was even WORSE than the copy I previously had collated in my head.

Now, let's just forget about this crap movie and look up a few posts at those sweet, sweet, highly stylized new Transformers animated figures that Darth posted.

Are they not beauty?

Optimus's head may be a bit... freaky, but it sure beats the hell out of the last incarnation.

Edited July 31, 2007 by JINZONINGEN 73

[Zarkan]

No, it went from being about one thing, then turned into something really, really, really SILLY.

The first 2 Star Wars movies are not the last 4 that were released. It got insanely silly.

Hm, I don't really agree with you on that. Sure, episode 6 wasn't as good as 4 or 5, but it beats the crud out of the next two episodes, and is far better than episode 3. Also, the scenes with the emperor and darth vader's death rocked my sox! *sweet* Eh, but each to his own, I guess.

But, back on topic, I also have a serious problem with Transformers. Not because of the storyline, but because of a major issue.

Okay, seriously, with all the toys and merchandise, we know that tons of kids will be going to see this movie (or already have), regardless of the rating. After all, on the outside, it looks like an average beat em up, kablooie movie, something that kids love.

But, I have a feeling that many parents are going to wish that their kids hadn't seen this movie once the credits roll. And I mean 7 year old pre-adolescents, not teens. Why? Well, lets just say that the content isn't exactly kid friendly. Make that, not kid friendly at ALL.

Tons of swearing? Check. Crude jokes and drugs? Check. Females wearing bikinis in major scenes? CHECK. And all that's going right into bobby's young brain. *sad*

Couldn't the guys working on this movie have shown a LITTLE restraint? I guess not, and neither could they have resisted dragging pre-adolsecents into the mix.

Bye bye wonderful movie I was expecting, hello crudtastic average PG-13 ripoff. :-X

Edited July 31, 2007 by Grevious

[mutley777]

I saw the movie tonight and loved it!!! Nuff said! :-)

[JINZONINGEN73]

But, I have a feeling that many parents are going to wish that their kids hadn't seen this movie once the credits roll. And I mean 7 year old pre-adolescents, not teens. Why? Well, lets just say that the content isn't exactly kid friendly. Make that, not kid friendly at ALL.

Tons of swearing? Check. Crude jokes and drugs? Check. Females wearing bikinis in major scenes? CHECK. And all that's going right into bobby's young brain. sadnew.gif

Couldn't the guys working on this movie have shown a LITTLE restraint?

Exactly. It was a melting pot that was aimed at pleasing (just about) anybody the fastest way possible, using the lowest common denominators.

Sure, episode 6 wasn't as good as 4 or 5, but it beats the crud out of the next two episodes, and is far better than episode 3. Also, the scenes with the emperor and darth vader's death rocked my sox!

No, no, that was good. Just like Megatron ramming Optimus through buildings at the end was good. But the bad acting (they sure got cocky in RotJ, didn't they?) and the Muppets, and well, the Muppets...

[dviddy]

Now, show me a Star Wars fan who doesn't think the 5th, Empire Strikes Back, was the best out of all 6.

I thought RotJ was the best out of all six. Always have.

<<DV>>

[5150 Lego]

But, back on topic, I also have a serious problem with Transformers. Not because of the storyline, but because of a major issue.

Okay, seriously, with all the toys and merchandise, we know that tons of kids will be going to see this movie (or already have), regardless of the rating. After all, on the outside, it looks like an average beat em up, kablooie movie, something that kids love.

But, I have a feeling that many parents are going to wish that their kids hadn't seen this movie once the credits roll. And I mean 7 year old pre-adolescents, not teens. Why? Well, lets just say that the content isn't exactly kid friendly. Make that, not kid friendly at ALL.

Tons of swearing? Check. Crude jokes and drugs? Check. Females wearing bikinis in major scenes? CHECK. And all that's going right into bobby's young brain. *sad*

Couldn't the guys working on this movie have shown a LITTLE restraint? I guess not, and neither could they have resisted dragging pre-adolsecents into the mix.

Bye bye wonderful movie I was expecting, hello crudtastic average PG-13 ripoff. :-X

Hmm.. Did it have all these things? Yes, but see, thats why they have things like Rating systems for movies. This was rated PG-13, not PG, or G. There was warnings for everything. Sexual referances,crude humor and Language. In all honesty, i don't fel sorry for the parents that get upset for taking there kids to see this, and getting upset. Personally, i'm not going to take my 7yr old kid to see a PG-13 movie. If i do, i don't beilve I would have a right to complain.

I will agree that Jazz saying "wux up bitches!" as his opening line was a little much.

But, back on topic, I also have a serious problem with Transformers. Not because of the storyline, but because of a major issue.

Okay, seriously, with all the toys and merchandise, we know that tons of kids will be going to see this movie (or already have), regardless of the rating. After all, on the outside, it looks like an average beat em up, kablooie movie, something that kids love.

But, I have a feeling that many parents are going to wish that their kids hadn't seen this movie once the credits roll. And I mean 7 year old pre-adolescents, not teens. Why? Well, lets just say that the content isn't exactly kid friendly. Make that, not kid friendly at ALL.

Tons of swearing? Check. Crude jokes and drugs? Check. Females wearing bikinis in major scenes? CHECK. And all that's going right into bobby's young brain. *sad*

Couldn't the guys working on this movie have shown a LITTLE restraint? I guess not, and neither could they have resisted dragging pre-adolsecents into the mix.

Bye bye wonderful movie I was expecting, hello crudtastic average PG-13 ripoff. :-X

Hmm.. Did it have all these things? Yes, but see, thats why they have things like Rating systems for movies. This was rated PG-13, not PG, or G. There was warnings for everything. Sexual referances,crude humor and Language. In all honesty, i don't fel sorry for the parents that get upset for taking there kids to see this, and getting upset. Personally, i'm not going to take my 7yr old kid to see a PG-13 movie. If i do, i don't beilve I would have a right to complain.

I will agree that Jazz saying "wux up bitches!" as his opening line was a little much.

And while merely THAT would've pissed me off, the predominantly non-serious approach (just like in the American Godzilla)... no, not a non-serious approach... an absolutely CORNY attempt at making EVERY DAMN SCENE "funny"... THAT got me the worst of all.

To say, "But dude... wasn't the G1 cartoon corny?". "Wasn't G1 non-serious?".

Hell yeah it was, AT TIMES. But when they got serious... that's when it was at it's coolest.

Imagine watching the original movie...

Prime and Megatron are fighting.

Now wouldn't you have walked out of the theater if, instead of Hotrod getting in the way and going, "N-No you don't, Megatron!"... he instead said, "Woah, Leggo my Eggo!"? That's product placement. And hopefully to a normal person, pretty forced dialogue.

And what if, when Prime was downed for the last time, he said, "I've fallen, and I CAN'T GET UP!"... would that not be incredibly ridiculous and embarrassingly juvenile?

This hole coment is contridicting the point your trying to get across. Please descibe a scene in the new movie were that any of this "product placemen"t happened? Yes there was alot of humor (sorry if you feel its corny) but just like you said, just like in the cartoon, when it got serious, it was serious. The Product placemnt your talking about is no exsistant in this movie. And please don't point out a split second were the moutain dew and Xbox transfomred. Big freck'in deal.

I'm sorry they didn't make it serious enough for you. But like you said yourself, G1 was corny, and not serious. All in the same sence that the movie was.

Do you realize that those, combined with the fact the word "Transformers" was used... just how BAD this movie would have had to have been to not make a ton of money?

Factor in too, that we're entering a world of robotics and technology, yet there's been like NO big-screen, live-action depictions going on? What was the last one in America... Robot Jox?

Transformers filled a void and had assloads of advertising. But "good"? Yikes.

Yes, advertising gets more people into theaters. You can female canine and cry all you want, but thats life with big movies today. Like i said in previosly, there really wasn't any product placment other than the autobots being GM vehicles. Whitch took absolutly nothing away, and made the movie better since the vehicle choices and designs were perfect for there characters.

..And yes, it was good. :-) I'll be going to see it again this friday. X-D

Edited August 1, 2007 by 5150 Lego

[Zarkan]

Hmm.. Did it have all these things? Yes, but see, thats why they have things like Rating systems for movies. This was rated PG-13, not PG, or G. There was warnings for everything. Sexual referances,crude humor and Language. In all honesty, i don't fel sorry for the parents that get upset for taking there kids to see this, and getting upset. Personally, i'm not going to take my 7yr old kid to see a PG-13 movie. If i do, i don't beilve I would have a right to complain.

Still, it's upsetting to me that Transformers was advertised to kids so much, what with the coloring and sticker books, junior novelizations, kids toys, as well as other stuff. I agree that parrents need to be careful, but ratings are still only broad terms, and they are usually not enough to tell what is REALLY in a movie (they also can often be wrong or inconsistent). And relying on the trailers only, nothing seems objective at all, aside from action violence. Not the real case, though. |-/

[Brainbox]

Well actually, it's just occured to me that IDW's Infiltration gave the TFs a little bit of a backseat. Only a little bit, but it was kind of done from a human perspective.

While we're on the designs, I nipped into Woolworths today, just for a look, and a woman was offering to buy a TF for her (young-ish) son. He accepted and was in the process of choosing, when she suggested Protoform Prime (still no Deluxes in Woolies :-| ). And do you know what he said? "That's not Optimus Prime." Just goes to show how different the Movie designs are.

Just to totally change track here, once agin, but I went to Manchester the other day, and found Forbidden Planet for the first time. I must say, it's a spectacular shop. So anyway, I found the TF section and immediately noticed the nice selection of 'rarer' (at least to me) toys. They had Revoltech Megs, Titanium G1 Magnus, Wave 1 Movie Deluxes (finally, they're available somewhere :-D ), the statue-things, and a heap of Titaniums. They also had Wave 2 Classics, which I know have been a bit difficult to find. Actually, while I was looking a guy in a suit (obviously out on his lunch break) was trying to decide whether to get Magnus or not. I felt like telling him to just "go for it." In the end though, he decided against it.

Anyway, I digress. I eventually settled on Infiltration, and also picked up 52 Volume 1, Batman #666, and two packs of Minimates.

Now, it's lucky I did pick up Infiltration, because I went into Waterstones later, only to discover a 3 for 2 offer on lots of books. Then I found a large-ish (okay, not that large) stand of TF graphic novels. I decided to pick up Escalation, Stormbringer and Spotlights volume 1 (that was the free one). I've not had chance to read them yet, but I'll be sure to post my thought when I do.

They also had the Movie guide, War Within volume 1 and G1 volume 2 (IDW DW reprints). I may geyt WWI sometime, and maybe BW: The Gathering. But not just yet. I've got enough reading material for the moment. :-D

Oh, also of note: TRU has the Classics for

Edited August 1, 2007 by Brainbox

[JINZONINGEN73]

Yes, advertising gets more people into theaters. You can female canine and cry all you want, but thats life with big movies today.

Lol, what? I'm not complaining that there was advertising, just that too many people say, "So many people came out to see it... it must be good! Bay knew what people wanted then!"

Like i said in previosly, there really wasn't any product placment other than the autobots being GM vehicles.

Lol, what? Did you actually see this movie?

If you're missing such things that were blatantly out in the open, then what am I doing here discussing intricacies of the movie with you for?!? :-D

Brainbox Posted Yesterday, 11:37 AM

Just to totally change track here, once agin, but I went to Manchester the other day, and found Forbidden Planet for the first time.

Wow, cool. The last time I was at Forbidden Planet was in the LATE 80's, in New York City. Instant love for any place that had Godaikin robots lining the top of their bookshelves. *wub*

EDIT: More TF: Animated toy pictures. Some of these have probably been seen before, but I can see at least one new one: the drawing, is that Blitzwing? Yes, I believe it is. Nice.

I'm wondering (due to the coloring) if that's Starscream. I say that too because notice at the end of the gallery that Prime has a second version of his toy! (And thankfully with his faceplate in place).

I want ALL of these figures... something I haven't felt for a line in a LONG time.

Oops, scratch that... Megatron's alt blows.

But still, I'm wondering what all the clear chests might be... a sparking or lightup action ...or merely just design?

It seems kind of forced on some of them, so I'm guessing it relates to some action feature.

(This one's arms seem to be not fully transformed at the shoulders...)

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=view&album...ize=800&start=0

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Lol, what? I'm not complaining that there was advertising, just that too many people say, "So many people came out to see it... it must be good! Bay knew what people wanted then!"

Sorry. I messed up in my original post that you quoted. My bad. :-$ . What i meant to say was

"you can pout, cry and complain all you want" I really don't know how "female got int there" *wacko*

But anyweays, its not that i'm saying its good becase alot of people are going to see it, i feel its good becaseit was a a really good movie. Nothing but people clapping and chearing at the end. That was both times i went.

Lol, what? Did you actually see this movie?

If you're missing such things that were blatantly out in the open, then what am I doing here discussing intricacies of the movie with you for?!? :-D

Ok,after thinking about it, the only thing i can think of was when [spoiler!!]

the Mountain Dew machine and the Xbox 360 transfomed. And again, it takes nothing away from the movie, and was only for a slpit second. Big deal. If there was anything else please point it out.

While we're on the designs, I nipped into Woolworths today, just for a look, and a woman was offering to buy a TF for her (young-ish) son. He accepted and was in the process of choosing, when she suggested Protoform Prime (still no Deluxes in Woolies ). And do you know what he said? "That's not Optimus Prime." Just goes to show how different the Movie designs are.

To be fair, that protoform. No one thinks of protoform (espeacailly a young kid) as optimus prime. If he had grabbed leader class and said the same coment then that would be differnt.