Transformers

[UltraPrime]

And I shall watch again! And again...

[Corvus]

I despise the flames. They make Optimus look too showy. It doesn't seem to fit his character.

I'm glad we got a good movie from you, UltraPrime.

Sounds like the voices for the characters was amazing. HOORAY!

And I'm glad we have bad decepticons, though they don't sound like much more than drones.

My main concern was that we'd have a cheesy human story. How were the actors? You didn't mention them, so my guess is that they're not bad, but not excellent.

[UltraPrime]

You've got 4 human stories going on. The Sam/Mikeala story was good. I think Shia is a very good actor, and Megan was pretty good too, so no problems there. Next was the military story - no Oscors here, but Micheal Bay can portray a bunch of guys with guns pretty well, so thumbs up! Sector Seven didn't work so well, IMO. They were played more as clowns than a super-secret organisation. There were some dramatic moments, but mostly there for laughs. Lastly, the two codebreakers. Not bad, not goon. In fact, they didn't really need to be there at all.

[JINZONINGEN73]

That's what bothers me. With such a vast amount of robot source material, there's not too much of an excuse for having time wasted on human scenes that leave you going, "...why?"

I'm guessing, and it shouldn't be this way, that all the human junk was added not to appeal to a broader audience, but instead to reduce CGI costs.

Well if a huge fan like Ultra Prime enjoyed it, then i'm sure most fans will as well. WHats funny is these guys will most likely be some of the first in line to see it weather they want to admit it or not. Whats even sadder is that even if they like it, there to closed minded to admit it. hmpfbad.gif As will be all the other "fans" that wined too.

Oh, there's a good few initial bashers who've changed their minds, but you have to admit, the media blitz of cross-marketing has been MASSIVE.

But like American Godzilla, it didn't mean the movie was what it should've been.

It's not close-mindedness that has me goofing on the film, it's the script I read combined with images, trailers and reviews so far.

As for standing in line... I'm downloading it first. X-D

[5150 Lego]

That's what bothers me. With such a vast amount of robot source material, there's not too much of an excuse for having time wasted on human scenes that leave you going, "...why?"

I'm guessing, and it shouldn't be this way, that all the human junk was added not to appeal to a broader audience, but instead to reduce CGI costs.

Oh, there's a good few initial bashers who've changed their minds, but you have to admit, the media blitz of cross-marketing has been MASSIVE.

But like American Godzilla, it didn't mean the movie was what it should've been.

It's not close-mindedness that has me goofing on the film, it's the script I read combined with images, trailers and reviews so far.

As for standing in line... I'm downloading it first. X-D

Well i'm sure that all of us would love to have a movie of nothing but robots with a couple of human shots (including myself) hear and there. BUt the reality of it is that probbly wouldn't have worked either. At least not to apeal to a broader audience. Could it also have been to reduce the cost of CGI? Thats a good point. And its a good posibitly. Maybe they had a budget, maybe they didn't. To be honest, its probbly a combo of both. Remember, no matter what, your just not going to please everyone. Hopfully they found a happy medium.

Not sure what you mean by cross marketing, but i've been seeing new 20sec trailer every day now. Eachone gets me more and more pumped to see this! They showed one were megan, and sam were in bumble bee running from bone crusher. They strated to laugh cause they were out running him. Theythen showed bonecrusher transform from vehicle mode, to robot mode. The camera panned underneath while he was transforming from back to front till they revieled his head were he let out a monsterous roar! I was incredible to see the detail in the transformation! X-O

I'm really trying not toget my hopes up like the first 2 Fast and Furious movies (the 3rd was the only good one) and Doom (absolutly horrible >:-( ) but it looks preety promising, and with ultaprimes review it also helps.

Me personally, have read scripts for movies before on line, thought they were horrible, went to see the movie,and thought it waspreety good. I vowed never to read another script before seeing the movie first. Also, i don't see how anyone can enjoy a downloaded movie. The quality(picture/sound) is horrible. A movie like this is best enjoyed at the theater.(or at least with some good souround sound! X-D )

Edited June 28, 2007 by 5150 Lego

[Brainbox]

Sector Seven didn't work so well, IMO. They were played more as clowns than a super-secret organisation.

Was it the red noses or the big shoes that gave it away?

Not sure what you mean by cross marketing, but i've been seeing new 20sec trailer every day now. Eachone gets me more and more pumped to see this!

Yeah, there do seem to have been an awful lot. Not that I'm complaining, mind.

Theythen showed bonecrusher transform from vehicle mode, to robot mode. The camera panned underneath while he was transforming from back to front till they revieled his head were he let out a monsterous roar! I was incredible to see the detail in the transformation! X-O

That is cool isn't it? And, of course, there's the presence of the original transformation noise.

Me personally, have read scripts for movies before on line, thought they were horrible, went to see the movie,and thought it waspreety good. I vowed never to read another script before seeing the movie first.

I don't think I've ever read a movie script before seeing a film. Partly because of the spoilers, and partly because of the fact that the finished film is often different to the early script that was posted.

[5150 Lego]

That is cool isn't it? And, of course, there's the presence of the original transformation noise.

Did he make the original transformation noise? I know Optimus does (as heard in the second trailer) Man i love that sound!! X-D )) I guess i was to taken in the transformation itself! :'-) Also, i just saw one were optimus and Jazz drifted and optimus and bonecrusher fell off a freeway overpass!! Sweet! X-D X-D

I don't think I've ever read a movie script before seeing a film. Partly because of the spoilers, and partly because of the fact that the finished film is often different to the early script that was posted.

Yup, that why i won't do it again. I really would have enjoyed the movie alot more had i just went and seen it instead of passing full judgment. But i went in there already knowing the full plot, and a couple spoilers.

[Brainbox]

Did he make the original transformation noise? I know Optimus does (as heard in the second trailer) Man i love that sound!! X-D )) I guess i was to taken in the transformation itself! :'-)

I assumed he did, but I don't really remember. :-$

Also, i just saw one were optimus and Jazz drifted and optimus and bonecrusher fell off a freeway overpass!! Sweet! X-D X-D

I think I've seen them all, thanks to Seibertron.com. That fight looks pretty epic. There's one advert where we get to see Mags transform, I think, and another where Screamer tranforms in-flight. And, actually, another where Blackout jumps forward, transforms (huh, what else?), and flys away. Oh, how they tease us with the many cool transformations! They've always been my favourite bit, the actual mechanics of the transformation- where everything goes, how it all fits together. I won't rest till I've figured out a transformation scheme, which is perhaps why I'm ensuring that all my WW2 re-designs work.

Yup, that why i won't do it again. I really would have enjoyed the movie alot more had i just went and seen it instead of passing full judgment. But i went in there already knowing the full plot, and a couple spoilers.

"Don't judge a book by it's cover."

[5150 Lego]

Ya i saw the one with blackout transforming as well. There's a couple with starscream too. I think there the same scene. I'm guessing the huge transformer that squashes one of the robots on top of a builing is megatron. Thats all i scene of him, and once were optimus hangs on as megatron flies over him.

[Chuck]

Saw the premier last night.

pics here

-l2k0

[Brainbox]

I'm guessing the huge transformer that squashes one of the robots on top of a builing is megatron.

It looks like either Megs or Screamer.

Saw the premier last night.

I like how they've been showing all the cars at the events, press showings, etc. Nothing like a bit of real-life publicity to get the fans drooling.

[5150 Lego]

Didn't see any pics of the concept camaro.I would think for sure that would have made the premeir.

[JINZONINGEN73]

Also, i don't see how anyone can enjoy a downloaded movie. The quality(picture/sound) is horrible. A movie like this is best enjoyed at the theater.

Not always true, though the MPAA would love you to believe it.

If you only knew how many movies, sometimes MONTHS before release, show up online in DVD quality.

Sometimes there's even missing scenes!

I don't think I've ever read a movie script before seeing a film. Partly because of the spoilers, and partly because of the fact that the finished film is often different to the early script that was posted.

Yeah, but see, after three decades of watching movies, I kind of know what to expect from a good film (the unexpected), and a bad film (cliche' EVERYWHERE, cheap attempts at humor, etc)... and the script had it all.

Worse yet, after watching the HBO special and every clip known to man, the script from February 2006 WAS the real script, right down to the cliche' of a "the black guy" who has to act all stupid and hyper.

(Cuba Gooding Jr. syndrome... might as well be a frog-voiced limo driver from a 1930's film getting scared by ghosts. "Oh mah goodnais! Feets don't fail me nows!") ... Ugh.

It looks like there's a ton of special effects, so it'll do good. But it doesn't mean it IS good.

And some of the special effects... I mean, why would a bus burst into fflames that badly after being rammed through the middle?

And why do "explosion experts" on movies still insist on using those fireworks-type explosions that shoots a comet of sparks? It's so annoying.

Meh, I just think too much. The movie will be adequate baby food for the uncreative masses.

Edited June 30, 2007 by JINZONINGEN 73

[5150 Lego]

Not always true, though the MPAA would love you to believe it.

If you only knew how many movies, sometimes MONTHS before release, show up online in DVD quality.

Sometimes there's even missing scenes!

Yeah, but see, after three decades of watching movies, I kind of know what to expect from a good film (the unexpected), and a bad film (cliche' EVERYWHERE, cheap attempts at humor, etc)... and the script had it all.

I know what you mean. I Have 300, TMNT, and Spiderman 3. (though i did not download it, there were given to me X-D ). There good, but not DVD good. And anyways, seeing somthing like SM3, and 300 is enjoyed much more at the movies than at home. And what you think is a good film might be differnt than what others consider good.

Worse yet, after watching the HBO special and every clip known to man, the script from February 2006 WAS the real script, right down to the cliche' of a "the black guy" who has to act all stupid and hyper.

(Cuba Gooding Jr. syndrome... might as well be a frog-voiced limo driver from a 1930's film getting scared by ghosts. "Oh mah goodnais! Feets don't fail me nows!") ... Ugh.

Now see, i just don't get why you would want to ruin a movie for yourself by reading the script before hand. Don't you want to be alittle surprised? I mean i understand wanting to know the plot and all, but to me i just don't see how you can enjoy a movie after knowing everything thats going to happen. Wheather or not you like what you've read or not. This goes for any movie, and not just Transformers.

Also, please don't take this the wrong way, but don't you think your taking this a bit to serious? I mean from your reactions to what you've seen so far,and what you'd like to see, it sounds like you were expecting an academy award winning film, but when it comes down to it, this is a movie based a a childs cartoon. I know you are a big Transformers fan, but a film like this is meant to be fun. Every movie is going to have chliche's at one point or another.

It looks like there's a ton of special effects, so it'll do good. But it doesn't mean it IS good.

And some of the special effects... I mean, why would a bus burst into fflames that badly after being rammed through the middle?

And why do "explosion experts" on movies still insist on using those fireworks-type explosions that shoots a comet of sparks? It's so annoying.

Meh, I just think too much. The movie will be adequate baby food for the uncreative masses.

LOL.I used to be like you. And to an extent, i am. I used to nit pick all the screw ups and "phony" speacail effects. IS it possible for a bus to explode when ripped in half? Considering i've never seen a transformer rip though a bus, i can't answer that. But i have seen cars (in person) hit walls at over 100mph ,and those did explode. Not to the extent of the bus, but is possible. Anyways, i found by doing this it takes away fromthe movie a bit. I understand that you (andnearly everyone) wants a movie to be as real as possible, but they aslo want a bit of excitment as well.

I think the movie will be morethan adequate. Won'tknow intill i see it,but from what i've seen in previews and clips (i haven't seen allof them cause i don't want to spoil to much of the movie for myself) it looks like it will enjoyable. Still trying not to get to high hopes, but its kinda hard now. :-$

[JINZONINGEN73]

Now see, i just don't get why you would want to ruin a movie for yourself by reading the script before hand. Don't you want to be alittle surprised?

I used to think like that, only it got to a point where the only suprise was how stupid I felt for buying into hype and wasting $8.50 on the movie, and lord knows how much else on the concession stand.

And anyways, seeing somthing like SM3, and 300 is enjoyed much more at the movies than at home.

I think that depends on the particular theater. Oh, how many times the audio was messed up, the screen flickered, etc etc.

Then there's the unsupervised brats running through the aisles yelling and crying, the morons that won't shut up, the girlies answering their damn cellphones, the sticky junk gluing my feet to the floor which smell of locker room, ancient popcorn and urine the likes of a nasty yeast infection.

Yeah, smooth-running VLC player on my comp, thanks.

I understand that you (andnearly everyone) wants a movie to be as real as possible, but they aslo want a bit of excitment as well.

I think the movie will be morethan adequate.

You're right. It will be adequate. There's Transformers advertising for the car dealership on the radio, Transformers on my coworker's Pepsi bottles, ads running all over the internet... it's unavoidable that there'll be a decent turnout enough to produce a sequel or two.

But so did X-Men, and those movies were pure megablocks. Then again, I knew the reference material from the 80's which spawned it. Same with Ghost Rider. Gyuuh.

It's not hard to make movies that walk in, make a buncha' money, then walk out.

It's even easier THESE days because standards of quality have dropped so low.

You could make a Teletubbies movie, suit them all up in black, make the baby in the sun some CGI monstrosity that they have to fight, add in a crapload of explosions, pull a ton of strings to get advertisement anywhere and on everything...

BAM. Summer 2008's summer blockbuster. :-|

Also, please don't take this the wrong way, but don't you think your taking this a bit to serious? I mean from your reactions to what you've seen so far,and what you'd like to see, it sounds like you were expecting an academy award winning film, but when it comes down to it, this is a movie based a a childs cartoon. I know you are a big Transformers fan, but a film like this is meant to be fun.

I disagree. The movie was made to make money. It's when people say you can't stick closer to the source material and still make money that I get whizzed.

Of course I'm taking it too seriously, but there is some justified fun in that.

I like pointing out Bay's just a guy who tosses explosions and crappy dialogue around, not some astounding visionary of film making.

I mean literally, he tossed out everything old, and made a movie from scratch. Hardly anything was retained.

And that's REALLY easy to do.

[5150 Lego]

I used to think like that, only it got to a point where the only suprise was how stupid I felt for buying into hype and wasting $8.50 on the movie, and lord knows how much else on the concession stand.

Yes, but thats part of the movie experiance. You win some, you loose some. I myself will be going with a larger group made up of family and friends. Even if the movie doesn't live up to the hype, i'm confedent we'll still have fun!

I think that depends on the particular theater. Oh, how many times the audio was messed up, the screen flickered, etc etc.

Then there's the unsupervised brats running through the aisles yelling and crying, the morons that won't shut up, the girlies answering their damn cellphones, the sticky junk gluing my feet to the floor which smell of locker room, ancient popcorn and urine the likes of a nasty yeast infection.

Yeah, smooth-running VLC player on my comp, thanks.

Audio is seldemly messed up in the theater i go too. Attually, to be honest, i can't remember the last time it was. Ya,you do get that ocasional flicker, but can you honestly tell me that you've never had a glitchin you screen from an illeagally pirated downloaded movie? :-|

You're right. It will be adequate. There's Transformers advertising for the car dealership on the radio, Transformers on my coworker's Pepsi bottles, ads running all over the internet... it's unavoidable that there'll be a decent turnout enough to produce a sequel or two.

But so did X-Men, and those movies were pure megablocks. Then again, I knew the reference material from the 80's which spawned it. Same with Ghost Rider. Gyuuh.

I liked the X-men movies. Ghost rider not so much. Also, just cause a movie follows its orginal content doesn't mean sucess, or that it will be good. What looked good in a cartoon, or comic book, might not work on the big screen. Look at the batman movies. The first 2 were big sucses's but didn't follow the original comic,or tv series much. Then the 3rd,and 4th came out. Those followed the look, and feel of the orinal story, and comic book, as well as being pracically a modern day tv series. All that was missing were the "BLAMS!!" and SPLATS!@$!!" when Batman and Robin kicked people. Those were absolutly horrible! Though i must admit, that Doom was probbly the biggest disapointment EVER!!! :-X >:-( >:-( That is were i can defently relate to how you feel about this film. Being a huge DOOM fan since the first DOOM on the PC, i was disgusted by this movie....... But i at least gave it a chance. ;-)

It's not hard to make movies that walk in, make a buncha' money, then walk out.

It's even easier THESE days because standards of quality have dropped so low.

You could make a Teletubbies movie, suit them all up in black, make the baby in the sun some CGI monstrosity that they have to fight, add in a crapload of explosions, pull a ton of strings to get advertisement anywhere and on everything...

BAM. Summer 2008's summer blockbuster. :-|

I disagree. I think that movie standards get harder and harder every year. And that what movie makers have to take into concideration when making a movie like this. One of the biggest things people have been taking about this movie has been the CGI and speacail effects. You just can't make a movie about robots that transform and not be on the cutting edge of the CGI.

I disagree. The movie was made to make money. It's when people say you can't stick closer to the source material and still make money that I get whizzed.

Of course I'm taking it too seriously, but there is some justified fun in that.

I like pointing out Bay's just a guy who tosses explosions and crappy dialogue around, not some astounding visionary of film making.

I mean literally, he tossed out everything old, and made a movie from scratch. Hardly anything was retained.

And that's REALLY easy to do.

Of course this movie was made to make money! Thats the goal of every movie made. Espeacailly one of this magnatude. No movie is made with the directors not wanting people to like it, or for it to make money. You think that the Bay and Spielsburg went into this thinking "hey, how can we make a movie that won't make any money and just piss off everyone?" They have to make a movie that will make them/the actor/producers, film company and such money and also somthing that they feel everyone will enjoy. If not, no one will call them back for the next movie.

Could they still have made money if bumble bee was a VW bug instead of a 09 Camaro, Optimus prime not have flames, Starscream been less "ape" like with his purple, silver and blue colors with the robots being more blocky? Posibly. But i doubt it would have been as good. (personally, i think its preety cool that there using the 09 Camaro concept. Thats my favorite thing about movie bumble bee! *wub* ) I'm not saying that you can't make a sucsesfull movie by sticking to the original story. But in some cases alittle evolution is needed. But again, we'll just have to wait and see.

Edited July 1, 2007 by 5150 Lego

[5150 Lego]

Well, ionly a few hours till the movie! Can't wait! Just bought Deluxe Bonecrusher, voyager Ironhide, and Blackout. Just opened up Bonecrusher, and about to open up Ironhide, and Blackout! I like bonecrusher. Preety easy to transform. Much easier than Barracade. Can't wait for the movie!!

[JINZONINGEN73]

SPOILERS.

Whoof.

Did not like.

And as for the movie guys saying the script from February 2006 was a rough draft with many changes since then...

...LIES. It's virtually identical, right down to the "funny" human scenes.

>__<

And human scenes are the movie, the robots being just these things hardly getting any spotlight.

Notice too that the robots never stay on screen too long for any given amount time.

The "dramatic" battle at the end (especially Jazz vs. Megatron lol) being a shakey-cam fest, somewhat incoherent in how the fights were being fought and where characters were just "disappearing" to.

And the end? LOL

Ok, so the world nearly gets destroyed by these hyper-techno aliens, and after the final battle, instead of DISSECTING THEM, the US government decides to "erase the evidence" by dropping the dead Transformer bodies INTO THE OCEAN?!? WHAT? LOL.

And "erase the evidence"that it ever happened??? Dude, people were witness to the battles on an uncontainable scale!

Ugh, I probably have more to say, but I JUST got back from work.

If you like an assload of explosions, and not much else... have... fun...?

[Brainbox]

There's some new information about the new cartoon, and a few other titbits of interesting info.

http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=10997

It seems there will be toys made of the new cartoon, which should be interesting. Definitely a new direction, but it could work.

And we'll see a Magnus that isn't a Prime, and a Galvy that isn't a Megs. Yes! And Sideswipe and Sunstreaker will look different in robot, as they should. They're brothers not twins.

So the Movie's out in the USA, and a few other countries for that matter. But we (I) have to wait till July 27th. |-/

Edited July 4, 2007 by Brainbox

[Vader]

There's some new information about the new cartoon, and a few other titbits of interesting info.

http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=10997

It seems there will be toys made of the new cartoon, which should be interesting. Definitely a new direction, but it could work.

And we'll see a Magnus that isn't a Prime, and a Galvy that isn't a Megs. Yes! And Sideswipe and Sunstreaker will look different in robot, as they should. They're brothers not twins.

So the Movie's out in the USA, and a few other countries for that matter. But we (I) have to wait till July 27th. |-/

Hmmm sounds interesting, even though i dont like the new designs so far im still gonna give the show a go.

Hell cant be any worse than some of the take on the TF's that weve had in the past.

[Kikuichimonji]

The movie was ripped apart by my tv guide, saying it was without the doubt the worst blockbuster of the year. It also said there was a very crappy story, no interesting characters and 'explosions to cover up the emptiness of the plot'. I saw the trailer and somehow that's exactly the feeling I got. Won't be watching this.

[UltraPrime]

I'll stand by my first opinion. I really enjoyed it, and can't wait to see it again.

[JINZONINGEN73]

The movie was ripped apart by my tv guide, saying it was without the doubt the worst blockbuster of the year. It also said there was a very crappy story, no interesting characters and 'explosions to cover up the emptiness of the plot'. I saw the trailer and somehow that's exactly the feeling I got. Won't be watching this.

That's just how I felt after getting done. The trailers WERE the movie, conveniently glossing over the multitude of people scenes.

Lots of explosions and The Matrix style moments, like every movie does now.

But when I went to work, there was no hyped up happy feelings that gets you thinking back all day to what you just saw.

No robot character developement, man.

: /

Edited July 4, 2007 by JINZONINGEN 73

[5150 Lego]

The movie was ripped apart by my tv guide, saying it was without the doubt the worst blockbuster of the year. It also said there was a very crappy story, no interesting characters and 'explosions to cover up the emptiness of the plot'. I saw the trailer and somehow that's exactly the feeling I got. Won't be watching this.

Worst blockbuster of the year? Um no. Attually the opisite. Look on fandango, its getting nothing but great reviews from the people who acttually watched it. I stongly urge you to see it for yourself and not let some dumb mmovie cridic make up your mind. Just got back from seeing the movie. .....

*y* *y* *y* *y* *y* This was without a doubt the best movie i've seen this year. X-D I had i high hopes going into seeing this, and it easily lived up to all the hype. Was it a grammy award winning film,or an adadamey award winner? Probbly not. But if it was, it would have really sucked. Nothing but laughs and chears thoughout the hole thing. Lots of clapping after the movie. I beilve that this is everything the movie should have been. Lots of action, great CGI, and lots of comedy in between :-P . I will agree that i felt that there could have been more shots of the bots, and some could have used more time, but in all it was great. All the human time i felt was nessasary to add to the storyline. All the bots looked great on the big screen!!

I agree with Ultraprime. I loved this movie, and defently plan on seeing it again. :-) :-)

That's just how I felt after getting done. The trailers WERE the movie, conveniently glossing over the multitude of people scenes.

Lots of explosions and The Matrix style moments, like every movie does now.

But when I went to work, there was no hyped up happy feelings that gets you thinking back all day to what you just saw.

No robot character developement, man.

: /

Can't please them all. But to be fair, i think you preety much made up your mind about the movie before you saw it. :-| I'll admit that alot was seen that that were in the trailers, and the mulitply clips and HBO speacails. This is why didn't lok at every show that cameon tv aboutthe movie, and limited what i saw to the TV comercails, and two main trailers.

Was the movie perfect? Was it perfect? No. If i wanted to i could nit pick little stuff, but it would be just that. Little stuff. I could do that with every movie iv'e seen this year. Iwas disapointed that they didn't use the classic "transformers transforing soujnd" as often as they should, but eh.. Whatcha gona do? :-) Baricade and blackout were my favorite deceptioncons, with Bumble bee and Ironhide,and rachet being my fav. Autobots. (Man, that Camaro concept looked so bad megablocks! Couldn't have made a better choice for Bumble Bee. And considering i build Emergency vechicles for a living, Baricade, and Ratchet were just kick megablocks! Again, great flick, i highly recomend it. Don't let the "critics" turn you away :-P J/K JINZONIGEN 73 *wub* . Friends ok? :-) )

Edited July 5, 2007 by 5150 Lego

[Brainbox]

Nothing but laughs and chears thoughout the hole thing. Lots of clapping after the movie.

God, where do you live? That's never happened in my cinema.

I would urge anyone who hasn't seen the film because of preconceptions to go and see it. I haven't seen it either and have to wait till the end of the month, so coming from me, it's impartial advice. Everyone has different opinions, and just because a bunch of critics loathed it, doesn't mean you will. Besides, most of these critics will be into 'talky' films with 'a message' not 'wow, look, a bunch of gigantic robots that transform into cars and stuff' movies. And it's Transformers.

On a side note, and not strictly Transformers, there's a new 'transforming Citroen' advert out here in the UK. The first one we had a dancing robot, the second an ice-skating robot, and now a running robot. It's actually pretty cool, even if we don't see the transformation as clearly in this new one. That's always my favourite bit of any Transformers. Look out for it.

EDIT: Found a few Transformers sales at Argos:

Alt Ravage (2) now

Edited July 5, 2007 by Brainbox