Kadabra Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 I'm also the only one who remebered the cop had a second confidant. Not exactly a one sentence "we're doing great post", but I can see where you're coming from. Excuse me while I go back to check previous days, but if I recall correctly this is the first time you've actually done anything proactive yourself?
DarthPotato Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 I'm also the only one who remebered the cop had a second confidant. Not exactly a one sentence "we're doing great post", but I can see where you're coming from. Excuse me while I go back to check previous days, but if I recall correctly this is the first time you've actually done anything proactive yourself? So you're basically admitting to being unhelpful?
Kadabra Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 So you're basically admitting to being unhelpful? I'm admitting that I need to be more active. I personally don't feel my vote on Brittney was 'forced', and I know for a fact my vote on Paris wasn't bussing.
Waterbrick Down Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 I'm also the only one who remebered the cop had a second confidant. Not exactly a one sentence "we're doing great post", but I can see where you're coming from. Excuse me while I go back to check previous days, but if I recall correctly this is the first time you've actually done anything proactive yourself? A quick look back, I've pointed out Rosie's behavior (confusion due to context), Brittney's (I took issue with her strategy and conversed with her on it), and Paris. I think the only analysis you've put into the game is your single vote against Brittney which stuck out like a sore thumb to me, not that other's haven't either.
mostlytechnic Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Well, despite what I said earlier about Benvolio, I'm 99% town read on him now. Looks like some RL issues are why he's been so inactive, and scum would have handled those situations differently.
jimmynick Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Bon giorno, everyone! I'm sorry I slept in a little late this morning. I am Benvolio's twin brother... oh wait, he died in the war a long time ago. Maybe I'm Benvolio. Maybe I'm not. I don't know who I am! Perhaps you signore e signori can help me out with that. It seems I am in an awkward position, being held accountable for things I cannot recall saying - all I can say to you at the moment is that I am a Council member with no night action. I know I have been following the events here from the back of Benvolio's head for some days, but I must do a little more properly attentive reading at the moment.
Kadabra Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Bon giorno, everyone! I'm sorry I slept in a little late this morning. I am Benvolio's twin brother... oh wait, he died in the war a long time ago. Maybe I'm Benvolio. Maybe I'm not. I don't know who I am! Perhaps you signore e signori can help me out with that. It seems I am in an awkward position, being held accountable for things I cannot recall saying - all I can say to you at the moment is that I am a Council member with no night action. I know I have been following the events here from the back of Benvolio's head for some days, but I must do a little more properly attentive reading at the moment. Why claim?
jimmynick Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Because one of my (several) personalities has obviously put you all on edge and because of that, I don't know if I could just by my behaviour convince you I'm town. And, because I'm vanilla, I don't feel that claiming gives the scum any advantage.
Captain Nemo Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 Why claim? I would say because it looks like the previous Benvolio was about to be on the chopping block. Right now, I mostly agree with Melanie on the current situation of Benvolio--I feel if Benvolio was scum his buddies would have done something to make sure he doesn't fall off the face of the earth. So, right now, I don't think he's the best person to lynch--lets see if the "new" Benvolio can convince us he is town; we don't need to jump on a bandwagon to kill the man for his past mans actions (If that makes any sense).
Kristel Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 It seems I am in an awkward position, being held accountable for things I cannot recall saying - all I can say to you at the moment is that I am a Council member with no night action. I know I have been following the events here from the back of Benvolio's head for some days, but I must do a little more properly attentive reading at the moment. I see you have Melanie's confidence already, but I'll wait till you're cleared (or you convince me otherwise) before before I take your word for who you are. Although I don't necessarily agree with Margret's conclusion that you are scummy, I do agree that you've contributed little to date. Looking back, Janice just falls into a middle-ground void for me. Most of what she has said seems either forced or as she put it "pandering". Am I the only one getting that vibe? You're not the only one and she has been on my radar since day 1 . As you've said she has hardly provided any analysis or views of substance, and has instead provided one-liners in support of what others have said. Like this one: I'd say four or five since a 3:1 ratio is pretty standard. I have to agree on Benvolio, the fact that he was so unwilling to vote Paris even while denouncing her as probable scum puts me on edge. She wasn't the only one to readily agree to the analysis presented on Benvolio, but I think it's representative of how she's acted to date. I'm also the only one who remebered the cop had a second confidant. Not exactly a one sentence "we're doing great post", but I can see where you're coming from. Excuse me while I go back to check previous days, but if I recall correctly this is the first time you've actually done anything proactive yourself? I highly doubt you were the only one who remembered. You're just the first person to mention it today and you were the third post. The real question though is why you felt a need to mention this. It's hardly a claim to being helpful. Nice deflection too. Between Janice and Benvolio, I put Janice ahead in the list of more likely to be scum. The other person that I think we haven't heard enough from is Amanda. Wow. Now thats some great news. I never had Carlisa on my list, pretty good work from the Vig. There haven't been a lot of posts from her to analyse, but this one stood out for me because I thought it was convenient how she said that Carlisa was never on her list. Two scum down, that's good. My hair's still perfect, even better. Investigator confirmed, that's also good, though I don't know if you should make town results public. Sure, we don't have to waste time accusing those who were cleared, but it also gives the scum targets. Scum already know who town is, so revealing who's been cleared won't give them that much more information. It also helps those of us who are not part of the town block with our analysis. I had a question mark next to Melanie's name before she was cleared because I thought some her behaviour was leaning towards scummy. I now know not to waste my time analysing that to death.
TrumpetKing Posted August 4, 2013 Author Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Melanie, Danyelle, Juliet, and Amanda are all discussing their lives, being besties and all. "Like, Oh my God, my skin is sooooooooooooooooo silky smooth. I bet I'd make a good whore, too, with a body like mine. I could totally get some sexy time with that hunk of a man, Tybalt." Danyelle gossips. "Bitch, please" Melanie objects. "Ever since I contracted Sexyitis, I know I've had the hottest bod" "Well, I have a much quirkier personality that... Ummm... I think her name is... Ugh, what s the use, I can't remember." Amanda sulks. "Well, I have a dog. And my hair is luscious." Juliet brags. The other girls seem to have had enough of Juliet's shit, as they pile on top of her, beating the happiness out of their shortest bestie. A blood-curdling scream is heard as the girls run away. "MY WIG!! You took my wig!! I got it specially made from My Little Pony dolls before I got here! Grrr...." Juliet grumbles, and walks to her room to find a wig delivery service. Voting is now open! With 15 players remaining, a majority of 8 is required to lynch. Edited August 4, 2013 by TrumpetKing
Capt. Redblade Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Looking back, Janice just falls into a middle-ground void for me. Most of what she has said seems either forced or as she put it "pandering". Am I the only one getting that vibe? I've not forgotten about Janice, but at the beginning of the day I was looking at what Benvolio said yesterday and it struck me as worth mentioning. However, knowing now that Benvolio was faced with RL problems, I'm less sure of my case. Both are still on my list at this point, but I don't know to what extent.
DarthPotato Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Going off on Janice, the same reason why I was suspicious of Abraham can also be applied to her. She only suspects the lynch candidates, and she only actually speaks up against them until they've already received several votes or when they're about to.
Kadabra Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Going off on Janice, the same reason why I was suspicious of Abraham can also be applied to her. She only suspects the lynch candidates, and she only actually speaks up against them until they've already received several votes or when they're about to. True on Brittney, not Paris. I was suspicious of her from my very first post on D2, with a witty (in my opinion ) quip. It was the first sentence I said that day, in fact. That was obviously before both voting and he cop result.
DarthPotato Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 But have you been suspicious of anyone else other than those two people? Do you have any suspicions now?
Esurient Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Abraham has caught my attention over the past days. He had made promises to come back with his suspicions but in the end he has kept us hanging. Also, I have also noticed he tries to cast suspicions on other players. Especially Melaine (who has been cleared Town by the cop) on Day 1 with regards to the no-lynch idea. Abraham also tries to target other quieter players that might seem as easy targets. Day 1: At the start of Day 1 Ronald called out Paris for saying Day 1 will be made up of mindless role play and a possible random lynch. Paris defended herself then. But what is interesting is that Abraham came and "summed up" this issue with the following post: Welp, here I am everyone. That is pretty much what happens, unless someone just slips up and makes easy for everyone Now that we know Paris is scum, is that an attempt to cover shield Paris from gaining further suspicions? After that we saw Melaine putting forward the idea of the non-lynch. Abraham came and made the following posts: Like others have said, while this sounds great in theory, wouldn't D2 be a repeat of today (barely anything t go on) and we'd lose 1 Town per night to scum most likely. If we lynch someone, at least we have some data to analyse? So you suggest we somehow lynch them all in 10 days? That seems ample enough, but we're also assuming that in those 10 days, the Town with Powers will find out who the scum is At the end of 9 days, they'd only check half the people and if they have a Godfather, he comes up as Town Trying to add on suspicions to Melaine? And seeing how Melaine isn't getting lynched over the no-lynch idea, Abraham decided to bandwagon Brittany: So you say there is no point in analysing since there's no value today but you'd love to see an analysis? And you think that lynching a lurker that could be town is an idea even though you say it has NEVER paid off? That has earned you my vote for now Vote: Brittney Alfredo (PirateDave84) Now that Melaine (investigates as town) and Brittney (flips town), Abraham is certainly suspicious. Day 1 summary: Abraham is exhibiting middle of the pack behavior and summarizes what has been already said. Day 2: Day 2, we see Laurence sent out a list of her suspects to a number of people with Abraham being one of the names in it. That was a fiasco On another note, why would Lawrence have said that me and Carlisa were on his list if he never called us out once? Although I am unsure why Purple suspected me, I'll be happy to address any concerns anyone may have. Though I am not nearly as sure about the other two on his list, unfortunately. It would seem purple got metagamed out of the picture Now that we see Carlisa flipped scum, I noticed an uncanny resemblance with both your defenses, both trying to cast doubt on Laurance's list of suspects. What if the vig doesn't want to end up killing Town? Seems like a better strategy than killing anyone and also, what NA might she be if she was the Grandma Visitor Trying to fish for possible roles? Following that we see Alicia having the cop's result on Paris, Truly a fascinating song. At least now we have something to go on rather than running around like headless chickens An attempt to bus Paris? What That's crazy. You've been grasping at straws the whole day since the results came out I believe today's vote is easy Vote: Paris Shawty (Tamamono) Bandwagon + bussing Towards the end of Day 2, Ronald called out Abraham for his list of suspects and Abraham replied with the following: right now? No-one, I really need to re-read everything that's happened so far. Day 3: Should be rather clear that I tried to call Abraham out for a chat and after that he seemed to slip back into the shadows. Now this is the deal breaker, Abraham mentioned at the end of Day 2 he will be back but so far he has not revealed his suspects or bring any analysis to the table or chased his suspicions. Even though he has been here.
Waterbrick Down Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Alright, so the more I've been going through Janice's statements, while Day 1 reads scummy to me, I can't reconcile the fact that she was pretty set against Paris at the beginning of day 2 without making a pretty far stretch of a bus due to an investigation result that I can't expect Paris ever saw coming. Moving on though, I did find someone else who's also been sticking to the middle of the road minus the conflicting suspicions of confirmed scum: Abraham (Fred Daniel Yam) Day 1: Welp, here I am everyone. Second, the day's still young, you can't expect us to spring into action right away. You're acting like the entire day, like you said, is going to be made up of mindless role play and then a random lynch. No one has evidence right when we start and the only way to start getting valid suspicions is to just start talking like we are now. That is pretty much what happens, unless someone just slips up and makes easy for everyone Agreement with the majority. Janice, have to say I agree too. My experience has shown that whoever everyone THINKS is a good choice D1 is usually a wrong call. Now, it's to be expected just based on the odds, but still.... the group consensus does not have a great track record about D1 lynches. In fact, what would everyone think about NOT lynching today? We'll obviously lose a town overnight to the scummos, but odds are that a lynch will off a second town. I've heard in other places that doing so can be a good strategy since you probably will be wrong in a D1 lynch and so it saves one townie and gives us the night to carry out whatever abilities we have. The scum will hate this idea, since they WANT to use today to lynch a townie. I'm not saying that anyone disagreeing with me is scum. And it may be a non issue since we need an actual majority to lynch, not just the most votes is gone. Like others have said, while this sounds great in theory, wouldn't D2 be a repeat of today (barely anything t go on) and we'd lose 1 Town per night to scum most likely. If we lynch someone, at least we have some data to analyse? Stays with the majority opinion, but won't give any comment on whether Melanie was suspicious or not, unlike some of the others at the time. Hey! Don't look at me; scrutinize someone else! I am a member of the council! Oh! Look over here, someone misinterpreting what I said, (actually there are several of you who did that!). What I said was: - we will lynch town today; you're already doing a great job towards that goal in voting for me; keep it up! - you cannot pretend to analyse posts as nothing of value was said not do we have previous behaviour to analyse; I would love to see an in depth analysis of today's posts! - my usual policy on day one is to lynch a lurker; it's never paid off but frankly what else can we do? So you say there is no point in analysing since there's no value today but you'd love to see an analysis? And you think that lynching a lurker that could be town is an idea even though you say it has NEVER paid off? That has earned you my vote for now Vote: Brittney Alfredo (PirateDave84) And bandwagon...the attitude actually sounds very similar to two other posts we saw earlier here and here. Day 2: That was a fiasco On another note, why would Lawrence have said that me and Carlisa were on his list if he never called us out once? Perhaps he thought you were acting suspicious by pandering to everyone, just like Carlisa. " A little birdie in the sky told me something, 'most made me cry Paris is not who we think A Monster that really stinks. Luckily for the town We have a cop that hasn't let us down." Truly a fascinating song. At least now we have something to go on rather than running around like headless chickens Interestingly enough, not a single consideration for other theories, even though they might be somewhat unlikely, perhaps she knew that the scum had no framer and the investigation result was true. If you're willing to ignore behaviors just for a flimsy investigator, you've already lost. In any case, I realize that it won't mean anything, but I should walk away and save myself my sanity now - there's no way I walk out of this alive. You've all doomed me to an early death by ignoring the most important part of mafia. Whatever. I'm voting for who I'm most sure is scum. Vote: Abraham (Fred Daniel Yam) If anyone would like to use their brains and play optimally, please join me in voting for him. What That's crazy. You've been grasping at straws the whole day since the results came out I believe today's vote is easy Vote: Paris Shawty (Tamamono) The inevitable bandwagon combined with a reactionary retort as opposed to an appeal to a logical argument. Show of hands how many people think this was a bus? Anyone? Abraham, are you suspicious of anyone other than Paris? I haven't exactly seen you scrutinize anyone other than the lynch candidates. Danyelle, where are you? right now? No-one, I really need to re-read everything that's happened so far. If I had a nickle for every time I heard this... How's the re-reading coming? Day 3: Wow, I think its safe to assume the Heroic Knight is the Vig. We should be halfway done now, hopefully. One of the echoers I earlier mentioned. Agreeable as ever with everyone. However that last part of the comment? How is 2 scum down halfway done? Almost=implying that most of the work is done. I estimate there to be only 4-6 scums anyway. Pandering, straight pandering in my book. All together, Abraham's just been sticking to the middle of the road and trying to keep on everybody's good side. But I'll wait to hear from him first before making a voting decision. Abraham? ... Seems like I'm not the only one. I guess we wait.
Peanuts Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 The other person that I think we haven't heard enough from is Amanda. There haven't been a lot of posts from her to analyse, but this one stood out for me because I thought it was convenient how she said that Carlisa was never on her list. Scum already know who town is, so revealing who's been cleared won't give them that much more information. It also helps those of us who are not part of the town block with our analysis. I had a question mark next to Melanie's name before she was cleared because I thought some her behaviour was leaning towards scummy. I now know not to waste my time analysing that to death. Fair enough, and I doubt revealing Melanie as cleared gives the scum an advantage. I was more concerned about people who didn't seem particularly scummy and would make good metagame kills as well. Of course, revealing her can also help build up a town core, so I guess it's a good thing. Also, Amanda is among my prime suspects. Not as much because she said Carlisa wasn't on her list, but because she only roleplayed and flew under the radar on day one, then on day two she started by speculating about the vigilante, and then, when we got the result, made a long post full of fluff in which she basically distanced herself from Paris. Apart from that, there's not much to go on, so I'd really like her to speak up. I haven't actually paid much attention to Janice so far, but I find it odd Laurence would tell her more than everyone else about Paris. There was an accusation against Paris, but it wasn't aggressive. Abraham has been incredibly unhelpful so far. He's not someone I'd mind to lynch.
Captain Nemo Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Abraham has been incredibly unhelpful so far. He's not someone I'd mind to lynch. I have to agree with you on that. Abraham seems to contribue little and him being on Lawrance's list only makes him seem more like possible scum to me. On another topic, have others been approached and asked about their CM spirits? I have.
jimmynick Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Buon pomeriggio, everybody! I am sorry to have not spoken for a little while - I have done much remembering of the past couple of days and finally come to some ideas. I also have *hic* drinking in brother Pablo's memory. "Drink to me, drink to my health. You know I can't drink anymore," he say, and I cry because AK was pointed at me but not him, and poor brother Pablo, he not deserve to die. Is as though I eat for two, though - that is why I am fat! I come to past days with a kind of naive outlook, no preconceived notions so I can *hic* think outside of - what is it? House, breadbasket, box! aha! Think outside the box! First is Danyelle: On Day One, she say hello in morning and disappear. Then, near end of day, she come back and say she vote for Brittney and helps, shall we say? to "seal the deal" on her. Why would he or she claim this early in the first place? And most of all, why were people so quick to take the investigation result as gospel? Hell, people were rejoicing. I expected people to be more skeptical following a certain role cop claim in an old western. That said, I do believe that the scum would be foolish to make a false role claim this early on, and I agree that the claim needs to be tested. Also, yesterday, she complain people consider the investigator claim as "gospel" like they "worship" it or something. Come on, Danyelle, we need to test the investigator to get some truth out of our situation. But is not just that! Are three more things, like for price of one! First, she ignores fact there is no counter-claim, and second she concedes the investigator claim must be tested. But, terzo, she fails to vote. Bad Danyelle! I have written you down in my little scum book. Second is Rocky Sniffles: As Ronald already has said, Rocky has wavered often on his opinion of Brittney. Rocky even said this, like he is setting up for the "I-told-you-so!" Currently, I don’t have someone I feel is really scummy, mostly only people with scum like behavior such as Britt. However with her situation, I feel it’s more of a situation of a council person looking scummy, with other council people jumping on wagon declaring them scum without a thought. Also, today, Janice told me off for claiming. Is silly question, which I answer adequately. But after that, Rocky, he decide to defend me again! Why? Terzo is Amanda: She says this, like out of nowhere. Bad Amanda! Quirky is very bad choice of word to describe Melanie's idea of not lynching for several days. Is bad idea, is stupid idea, is goes against all our principles, but is not "quirky"! Is like you are trying not to say much, like you could make mistake. In my opinion it's ridiculous to suggest not to lynch for several days. That's just... quirky. Yesterday, she say this. Is like you can't see sense in the darkness, either! Bad Amanda! Is very clear that we are just town and scum. Is very logical that town killer "vigilante", he not want to make mistake on first night. Is like you are trying to look like you are contributing without making any thinking. Also, you suggest that one of the killers must have been blocked. That is silly idea! Yeah, nobody can see my outfit in the darkness..y I got no message from Lawrence. What suspiciouns did he have? What I find interesting is that there is only one kill this night. So the blocker may have some very interesting information. I cant believe that there is only one killer out there. Thoughts? Next on my list is... Balthasar Jameson! On Day One, he call out Janice for not saying anything of substance "yet". Is general statement, could be pointed at anyone. Is like trying to contribute without contributing. On Day One, he says this. He has a good point about Amanda being deserving of suspicion, but doesn't think the "quirky" vote for Melanie is scummy! Harumph! Balthasar, you are doing the pussyfooting without sticking to guns. I am disappointed in you. This vote came across as scummy to me because it seemed to come out of the blue (it was only Amanda's second post) and I don't think it's necessarily a good reason for a vote. While I agree about Melanie's idea being a stupid idea, I don't think it necessarily makes her scum. Scum would have to be dumb to suggest something like that, even dumber to suggest we don't vote for several days. I don't think Melanie's dumb. Having said that, I will be keeping a question mark against her name too (Melanie, that is) for the time being. Yesterday, he say that Laurence was "probably metakilled." Why? Laurence's ancestors have been scum twice and savvy town once. I don't think there is enough "meta" to consider Laurence particularly dangerous as a townie, even though two of his suspicions thus far have played out well. And today, Balthasar, he not want to accept that I have personality problems and thinks it is bad I have Melanie's confidence - I contact Melanie because she has been cleared by investigator. Whether or not I have Melanie's confidence is Melanie's issue, I should think! I see you have Melanie's confidence already, but I'll wait till you're cleared (or you convince me otherwise) before before I take your word for who you are. Although I don't necessarily agree with Margret's conclusion that you are scummy, I do agree that you've contributed little to date. I am sorry about the long words, but is lots of my thoughts put down. Is time to go out to lunch with brother Pablo.
mostlytechnic Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 I have to agree with you on that. Abraham seems to contribue little and him being on Lawrance's list only makes him seem more like possible scum to me. On another topic, have others been approached and asked about their CM spirits? I have. Yes, I sent PMs to everyone still alive asking for their CMF spirit. I'm trying to see if there's any correlation between those figs and anything else. It was brought to my attention that asking it was a possible rule 5 violation (don't use structure of role PM), but I checked with Mercutio and verified that since I'm just asking for a fact, not asking people to quote their PMs or anything, it's fine. At this point I have everyone's answer but 1. Once I get that last reply, I'll share some of what I've learned...
PsyKater Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Terzo is Amanda: She says this, like out of nowhere. Bad Amanda! Quirky is very bad choice of word to describe Melanie's idea of not lynching for several days. Is bad idea, is stupid idea, is goes against all our principles, but is not "quirky"! Is like you are trying not to say much, like you could make mistake. Ehh, I tried to be funny. I am the quirky girl Yesterday, she say this. Is like you can't see sense in the darkness, either! Bad Amanda! Is very clear that we are just town and scum. Is very logical that town killer "vigilante", he not want to make mistake on first night. Is like you are trying to look like you are contributing without making any thinking. Also, you suggest that one of the killers must have been blocked. That is silly idea! I replied to these thougts already. It was not that silly IMO. But I can see why most people see it different. So please read my long reply (I think the link is provided by someone else). It's a bit difficult to write mobile. I can make my own thougts when I have a little time at the laptop. I don't know how it is for most of you, but I need more than a hour to write my analysis. However I can understand that I am pinging some radars, and I am more than willing to answer questions if you have some. I have nothing to hide. Own contribution will follow.
Kristel Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 It's a bit difficult to write mobile. I can make my own thougts when I have a little time at the laptop. I don't know how it is for most of you, but I need more than a hour to write my analysis. However I can understand that I am pinging some radars, and I am more than willing to answer questions if you have some. I have nothing to hide. Own contribution will follow. This is what I'd like to see from you - more of your own analysis and opinions on who you believe to be suspicious. At the moment, it looks like you're trying to fly under the radar. I haven't actually paid much attention to Janice so far, but I find it odd Laurence would tell her more than everyone else about Paris. There was an accusation against Paris, but it wasn't aggressive. Alright, so the more I've been going through Janice's statements, while Day 1 reads scummy to me, I can't reconcile the fact that she was pretty set against Paris at the beginning of day 2 without making a pretty far stretch of a bus due to an investigation result that I can't expect Paris ever saw coming. I don't really see how Janice's post [post 29 on Day 2] makes her "pretty set against Paris". Janice herself thinks it was a "witty quip": True on Brittney, not Paris. I was suspicious of her from my very first post on D2, with a witty (in my opinion ) quip. It was the first sentence I said that day, in fact. That was obviously before both voting and he cop result. I agree with Rosie that this wasn't exactly aggressive. And we don't know why Laurence would have told her more than anyone else. Unfortunately, we don't have anything we can verify this with. However, at that stage it was well-known that Laurence had sent out that message to a number of people and, of the three that were on the list, Paris was the most vocal. Looks to me like Janice was distancing herself from Paris in case it went further. Abraham has been incredibly unhelpful so far. He's not someone I'd mind to lynch. Moving on though, I did find someone else who's also been sticking to the middle of the road minus the conflicting suspicions of confirmed scum: Abraham (Fred Daniel Yam) I haven't said much about Abraham so far, as I felt a little like he was under the hammer just for being on Laurence's list. However, I agree he has generally been unhelpful and I've noticed he's not responding to the accusations against him. Next on my list is... Balthasar Jameson! On Day One, he call out Janice for not saying anything of substance "yet". Is general statement, could be pointed at anyone. Is like trying to contribute without contributing. On Day One, he says this. He has a good point about Amanda being deserving of suspicion, but doesn't think the "quirky" vote for Melanie is scummy! Harumph! Balthasar, you are doing the pussyfooting without sticking to guns. I am disappointed in you. Yesterday, he say that Laurence was "probably metakilled." Why? Laurence's ancestors have been scum twice and savvy town once. I don't think there is enough "meta" to consider Laurence particularly dangerous as a townie, even though two of his suspicions thus far have played out well. And today, Balthasar, he not want to accept that I have personality problems and thinks it is bad I have Melanie's confidence - I contact Melanie because she has been cleared by investigator. Whether or not I have Melanie's confidence is Melanie's issue, I should think! In order of your points above: Janice wasn't the only one on my radar on Day 1. In post 46, I asked where you where and also had a poke at Tybalt for going after Rosie for what I thought was a pretty obvious conversation with her hairbrush. I also said I wanted to hear from those who hadn't said much in post 51. In post 105, I call out Janice for not contributing much, as well as Amanda and yourself. I thought the vote by Amanda was scummy because it came out of the blue, with little analysis. The bit about not being scum was in reference to Melanie. As for sticking to my guns, I've brought up Janice and Amanda each day so far because these two are high on my list of suspects. I thought Laurence was probably meta-killed because he was the scum's first kill and there wasn't eany obvious reason from Laurence's posts to suggest he would be a good target for them. At that time, there was no certainty around who had done the kill, but being night 1 and only one kill, it was most likely scum who had done the killing. Given the lack of anything concrete to go on, why would it have been anything other than a metakill? You've misread my comment about Melanie's confidence. Melanie is someone I feel I can trust because she has been cleared, so having her confidence is a good thing. The fact that she is fairly certain you are town makes me want to believe you are town. Having said that, you haven't been cleared. Having someone's confidence doesn't mean you are 100% cleared in my books. I remember back in school there was this new girl Alison, who came in dressed as a goth and acting all tough. Then she flipped and became all apologetic. I told my good friend Clare at the time not to trust this girl. Turns out Alison was a mole for a gang that was trying to infiltrate our school. [This is not a meta-game on you per se, but more a general point that I am always conscious of moles] My little germ-infested snot-noses can read better than you do. That reminds me, I think they're waiting downstairs for story-time.
jimmynick Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 Now I am about to look like the back-tracking scum, eh? Well, Balthasar, I give my sincerest... aplog... apology for misreading your comment when you address Amanda's vote for Melanie. And with regards to Laurence - I should certainly be worried if I were scum against him, but maybe that is what you call "meta". Let us agree to the disagreement over parole, formulazione, the semantics. Well, I suppose that is concession #2. I realise that Janice was far from the only person on your radar on Primo Giorno. But Janice and brother Pablo my other personality, I think, are the only ones you called out for lack of the contributing. And with regards to Tybalt: the words amongst Tybalt, Rosie, Colin the Comb Henry the Hairbrush and you took me several readings to unravel. I can understand why Tybalt could have been confused. I still keep the beady eye on you - something, I think, is still not quite right. But Amanda, do you have anything else to say?
Adam Posted August 4, 2013 Posted August 4, 2013 As the Backstreet Boys once sang, "Oh my god we're back again!" In short, after my week on tour, showing off my new brand of skin-paling products, I'm back in the saddle. I apologize for my inactivity - at least one good thing came out of it; I learned how to pole dance! Ah, but I'm afraid that my absence has taken a toll on me. I must re-read and then return at the end of the day to say, "Welp - still re-reading!" Just kidding. Benvolio (jamesn), I'll kick things off by answering your concerns. You seem to be upset with my remark yesterday - I'm not sure I understand the trouble. I was merely saying that I expected there to be more skepticism surrounding the investigator claim, especially considering the fact that we've seen quite a few scumbags trick the town with devilish claims in past games... of life. Furthermore, just because I anticipated doubts never meant that I couldn't see the merits of the claim and it's need to be tested - I stresses both, and you yourself quoted that. If you - or anyone else, for that matter - have any further questions, then please fire away. I recognize that I have missed a lot of the action by going AWOL, and I'd like to remedy that by being more active. With that said, why don't we get to it? Abraham (Fred Dan Yam) had come under significant fire recently, and I'd like to add a quick comment there. First off, his comment about "looks like we're halfway done" reads scum slip to me, though with 20 initial players and no third parties I would've expected there to be around six scum - a 1:5 ratio seems a tad low. Here's what really caught my eye though - it's in his most frequently-cited post: That was a fiasco On another note, why would Lawrence have said that me and Carlisa were on his list if he never called us out once? A couple of people have already recognized its similarity to Carlisa's (Endgame) defense against Jelly. However, what really irked me was the fact that "Honest Abe" (Fred Dan Yam) here flat-out defended Carlisa (Endgame) in his post! Moving on, I've spent the last few minutes combing through Carlisa's (Endgame) posts to find some connections and see if she appeared to be buddying up with anybody. Unfortunately, my search turned up nothing, really. It's already been noted that she flew middle of the pack, and her history proves this. With that lead coming up dry, I started sifting through Paris's (Tammo) comments. Then, when I realized she had made about a trillion of them, I focused my attention on the concise list of suspicions that she privately messaged to Eric (Dannylonglegs). What I found was this: Confirmed town (Dave, Jelly, and LegoDad) were on her scum list, with the first two being "I think this person is scum, but I'm not 100%" and the latter being one of her top suspicions. Melanie (mostlytechnic) is the exception to this rule - Paris (Tammo) joked that she is "mostlytownie". Confirmed scum (Endgame) was on her townie list. Abe (Fred Dan Yam) was, it seems, her biggest suspect, but this could certainly be a "bus". While the various exceptions demonstrate what we already know, that Paris's (Tammo) suspicions are far from a foolproof guide to catching scum, I think it's likely that at least one or two scum are lurking in her "I have a mild town read" list (that's where Carlisa (Endgame) was, and she's smart enough to know that anybody that she expressed strong feelings about could fall under suspicion). If you'll excuse me, I'm off to try my hand at one of these "analyze and quote every single post someone has made" things which seem so pop-a-ular. Drop-kicks that bitch Margaret (Capt. Redblade) and snuggles up against Juliet (CallMePie), panting lustily and slipping dress down to expose more pale skin.
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