Alfadas Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 If those sets were ever made, we all would buy tons of them (I guess). But your battlepacks have too many figs, I think 5 or 6 is about the limit . For the other sets, again too many figs. If they have that many figs, I would certainly buy all of them! But I think we just have to wait till we get real lists and pics, only wait about 10 months!
Fives Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 If those sets were ever made, we all would buy tons of them (I guess). But your battlepacks have too many figs, I think 5 or 6 is about the limit . For the other sets, again too many figs. If they have that many figs, I would certainly buy all of them! But I think we just have to wait till we get real lists and pics, only wait about 10 months! Yeah, I tend to sometimes go over by one or two figs when I'm making wish lists. But seven figs and an animal per army builder, if maybe put at a $45 price point rather than $30, would be fair. Either they do three army builders, or one big Dale set with the named characters like Thranduil, Dain and Bard, along with a man and a Dwarf and two orcs and a warg, make it $80. Then make a $30-$40 extension of Erebor with two orcs, two elves, and a man and a dwarf, and another warg. That is more realistic to me.
BrickBob Studpants Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 @Fives: Great set list, I really hope we get to see something along those lines I think the minifig selection is spot-on as well, no-one seems to be missing. Though I'd rather see a Smaug set based on DoS instead of TABA simply because the buildings your version requires would limit the amount of parts dedicated to Smaug himself
Fives Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 @Fives: Great set list, I really hope we get to see something along those lines I think the minifig selection is spot-on as well, no-one seems to be missing. Though I'd rather see a Smaug set based on DoS instead of TABA simply because the buildings your version requires would limit the amount of parts dedicated to Smaug himself Perhaps, but If LEGO made Smaug with a molded body/head/tail and brick built foldable wings (like past Ninjago dragons, but with sail-like material to make them look 'full'), then it wouldn't be too much of an issue. Just big molded pieces that would hike up the price.
Deathleech Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) I'd be content with fewer orcs. We got plenty this wave, and the orcs we'll likely see during the BO5A will be the same Gundabad orcs, so just stock up now. LEGO could easily give us something similar to MEA in regards to the good/evil ratio, with the good outweighing the bad by a decent chunk. The thing is, in the book there are over 6,000 goblins (orcs), plus Wargs and Bats vs less than 2,000 TOTAL humans/elves/dwarves. As it stands right now we have Gandalf and Bilbo, the 13 dwarves, 2 Laketown Guards, Bard, Beorn, Thranduil, and 5 Mirkwood Elves vs 6 Gunadabad Orcs, 2 Goblins, and Azog. That's 25 good vs 9 bad. This includes all polybags and wave 1 Hobbit sets, as well as Goblin King goblins. These are all the characters that should be at the Bo5A according to the book. In the books the bad outnumber the good almost 3 to 1 but right now in Lego form, if you bought one of every set it's the opposite. We need a good way to bolster our evil forces. Right now even if you buy multiples of MEA you are going to just make your elf army bigger than your orcs. it got me thinking though. If TABA sets released a $30 battle pack for each army, 1 for Elves, 1 for Dwarves, 1 for Men, 1 for Orcs, throwing and eagle, warg, maybe Bear Beorn between them, these things would sell like wildfire. I would LOVE this, but I don't think Lego would ever do it. They seem stuck on only offering 1 army builder per wave, tops, for the LotR/Hobbit. Apparently it's because they want to have a lot of special characters in their sets to appeal to kids, but I think army builders, especially for these lines, would just do so much better. The movies have some of the grandest battle scenes ever and they are already more focused on older children and adults who absolutely eat up army building sets. The only change I would make is have three army builders instead of four. While an orc one would be nice for really upping your orc count, it seems a bit redundant. Make one for men, one for elves, and one for dwarves and then just put orcs in all 3 of them. The human one could have Bard and 2 Laketown/Dale soldiers and 3 armored orcs as well as a Great Eagle. The dwarf one could have Dain, 2 armored dwarves and 3 orcs as well as a gray Warg (since we didn't have an easy way to get them before.. that or a lighter tan/brown would would work). For the elves I am not sure what they could do. While a few armored elves would be nice, I feel like Thranduil in it again would make it too similar to MEA. Maybe not though if he and all the elves were armored. That set could maybe have a few new bat molds? Edited December 12, 2013 by Deathleech
Fives Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 The thing is, in the book there are over 6,000 goblins (orcs), plus Wargs and Bats vs less than 2,000 TOTAL humans/elves/dwarves. As it stands right now we have Gandalf and Bilbo, the 13 dwarves, 2 Laketown Guards, Bard, Beorn, Thranduil, and 5 Mirkwood Elves vs 6 Gunadabad Orcs, 2 Goblins, and Azog. That's 25 good vs 9 bad. This includes all polybags and wave 1 Hobbit sets, as well as Goblin King goblins. These are all the characters that should be at the Bo5A according to the book. In the books the bad outnumber the good almost 3 to 1 but right now in Lego form, if you bought one of every set it's the opposite. We need a good way to bolster our evil forces. Right now even if you buy multiples of MEA you are going to just make your elf army bigger than your orcs. I would include LOTR Mordor orcs in my army as well, since they look generic enough to fill the ranks. And having bought all sets including them, and also making the wise choice to buy 16 orc keychains and just cut the chain off, I have a total of 25 Mordor orcs alone. Add two Moria orcs, three Goblin Town orcs, 12 Gundabad orcs (thanks to DGB. DGA and 4 MEAs), plus 35 Uruks (that includes Lurtz and the Berserker), along with Yazneg, Azog, The Great Goblin and the cave troll, thats roughly 80 evil warriors (not including Wargs, since those are steeds). Pose that against 13 Dwarves, 12 Elven scouts, Thranduil, Tauriel, Legolas, The Master of Laketown, one Laketown Guard, Bard, Bilbo and Gandalf, which adds to a total 33 good warriors (and that is only from the current sets that I have purchased). I think that, depending on how people bulk up their forces, we should be given more Elves, Men and Dwarves, because it is easier to pretend Mordor orcs or other LOTR baddies are in the evil army than using Rohan soldiers for good.
Brickadiergerard Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 I'd love those army builder sets, but the one we HAVE to get are the dwarves of the Iron Hills. I have loved them for as long as I've loved lego, and getting some lego versions of them will be a dream come true.
Deathleech Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 I think that, depending on how people bulk up their forces, we should be given more Elves, Men and Dwarves, because it is easier to pretend Mordor orcs or other LOTR baddies are in the evil army than using Rohan soldiers for good. Well it depends. Not everyone is going to want to use minifigures like Uruk-hai in their Bo5A since they look pretty distinct from the rest of the goblins and orcs. Also not everyone is going to buy multiples of sets. If you only bought one of everything the good vastly out number the evil when you include everything, but that's just not how it is in the books or films at all. The evil forces almost always out number the good by significant numbers. Personally I have about 250 evils figures (150 Uruk-hai, 20 Mordor Orcs, 10 hunters, 20 Goblin Town goblins, 30 Moria Orcs, 20 Gundabad Orcs), and only 170 good (60 Rohan including Eomers, 50 Mirkwood Elves, 60 Laketown Guards). This doesn't include the 9 Fellowship members, the 13 dwarves, etc. where there are way more good guys than bad. Those numbers may seem fairly even, but in the films the evil usually out number the good by from 3 to 1 all the way up to 10 to 1. Also keep in mind the vast majority of my evil figures were Bricklinked and it doesn't come from actually buying sets except in the case of the UHA. We need a good way to get either Gundabad Orcs or Mordor Orcs in vast amounts that doesn't entail BLing them or getting a ton of good soldiers too (like in MEA).
legofreak86 Posted December 12, 2013 Posted December 12, 2013 I agree deskp that is an amazing list of 2014 sets that's what I reckon we'll see! All those sets would be on my hit list for next Dec
Lego Spy Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 Alright I have a question. This is probably really stupid, but I can't remember any battle of any kind in Dol Guldur from The Hobbit. Am I forgetting a crucial part of the book, are they talking about The Battle of the Five Armies, or did Peter Jackson just use some creative thinking, and that's why there's a Lego set called Dol Guldur Battle.
Fives Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) Alright I have a question. This is probably really stupid, but I can't remember any battle of any kind in Dol Guldur from The Hobbit. Am I forgetting a crucial part of the book, are they talking about The Battle of the Five Armies, or did Peter Jackson just use some creative thinking, and that's why there's a Lego set called Dol Guldur Battle. Dol Guldur was never in the book. That whole storyline was added in by PJ. But when it comes to name of the set, I really believe it was just a way to differentiate between the two Dol Guldur sets. Also, I just saw the movie, and now have a genuine worry: how will the make Smaug? His sheer size baffled me. I know we can't expect a minifig scale one, but even one that could plausibly be in a set would still be the biggest creature LEGO has ever made. I'm very excited and fearful for how LEGO will proceed now that Smaug is out there for everyone to see. Edited December 14, 2013 by Fives
Deathleech Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 Smaug would probably have to be the main and only build in the set, and even then like a $100 set minimum, maybe as much as $200 though.
TheLegoDr Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 I would seriously doubt there would be anything to scale. The children (and us) will use our imaginations. The ninjago dragons were actually pretty good sized, even though Smaug would greatly over size them. I could see them doing a Smaug, just not as big as everyone is thinking. But maybe I will be wrong.
KristofBD Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 I agree with TheLegoDr: a decent Smaug set for say 200$ would not have a place in a regular wave: it would have been way too expensive. If TLG does a Smaug set it would only be possible to do it as a D2C. A price point of 200$ in a normal wave is just unrealistic. Moreover, there is still a wave to come, so I would rather wait and see instead of consider each wave by itself. E.g. there was a lot of talk about the lack of diversity in the orcs, but now we already have three types of orcs (Moria, Mordor, Gundabad) and two named characters (Yezneg, Azog) and who knows what is still in the pipeline! Sometimes I have the feeling we behave a bit like spoiled brats. Let's just be patient and enjoy LEGO Middle Earth as long as it lasts. After all, we've seen some brilliant sets and without a doubt more will come!
Fives Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 There is no doubt in my mind that LEGO will want to make a D2C Smaug set. After seeing him in the film (cuz I believe that had to wait just the same as us), they'll realize that there is no way to do the character justice in a normal scale set. And while some of the Hobbit and LOTR sets haven't sold as well as LEGO may have hoped, a huge dragon would be flying off shelves come next year's Xmas season. Kids and fans of the films would go wild over a huge, accurate Smaug that is also a challenging build, and older collectors always have various reasons to buy the big sets. Plus, Smaug is at the same level of iconic value as Bag End, and we all know how amazingly that set sold last year. My only worry with a big Smaug would be sturdiness and functionality. I wouldn't want a fragile dragon that's prone to break, but I also want to be able to pose him in a multitude of positions. His neck and tail would especially need to be moveable, long with a hinged jaw and foldable wings. I was originally prepared to be content with a system scale Smaug, but after seeing his stupendous enormity, I would feel disappointed f LEGO didn't seize this chance and create a set that could possibly go down in the LEGO hall of fame, like the UCS Millenium Falcon.
Alcarin Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 I would include LOTR Mordor orcs in my army as well, since they look generic enough to fill the ranks. And having bought all sets including them, and also making the wise choice to buy 16 orc keychains and just cut the chain off, I have a total of 25 Mordor orcs alone. Add two Moria orcs, three Goblin Town orcs, 12 Gundabad orcs (thanks to DGB. DGA and 4 MEAs), plus 35 Uruks (that includes Lurtz and the Berserker), along with Yazneg, Azog, The Great Goblin and the cave troll, thats roughly 80 evil warriors (not including Wargs, since those are steeds). Pose that against 13 Dwarves, 12 Elven scouts, Thranduil, Tauriel, Legolas, The Master of Laketown, one Laketown Guard, Bard, Bilbo and Gandalf, which adds to a total 33 good warriors (and that is only from the current sets that I have purchased). I think that, depending on how people bulk up their forces, we should be given more Elves, Men and Dwarves, because it is easier to pretend Mordor orcs or other LOTR baddies are in the evil army than using Rohan soldiers for good. Putting uruks in Hobbit events is just PLAIN WRONG... simple as that.... no true lover of LOTR would do it period.... As for the bolded... no no no.... you dont mix and match in LOTR universe it is too distinct....uruk hai is something totally different than Gundabad Orc... Actually uruk-hai is more distinct to Gundabad Orcs/Goblins than a ROHAN SOLDIER is to LAKE TOWN SOLDIER... cos these 2 soldiers are atleast both men
Blazej_Holen Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 Dol Guldur was never in the book. That whole storyline was added in by PJ. But when it comes to name of the set, I really believe it was just a way to differentiate between the two Dol Guldur sets. Also, I just saw the movie, and now have a genuine worry: how will the make Smaug? His sheer size baffled me. I know we can't expect a minifig scale one, but even one that could plausibly be in a set would still be the biggest creature LEGO has ever made. I'm very excited and fearful for how LEGO will proceed now that Smaug is out there for everyone to see. No its not but there is mentioned that Gondalf went there to see the truth about necromancer..and this storyline is in Unfinished Tales... PJ just add this into the movie, and it was a good decision. There is no doubt in my mind that LEGO will want to make a D2C Smaug set. After seeing him in the film (cuz I believe that had to wait just the same as us), they'll realize that there is no way to do the character justice in a normal scale set. And while some of the Hobbit and LOTR sets haven't sold as well as LEGO may have hoped, a huge dragon would be flying off shelves come next year's Xmas season. Kids and fans of the films would go wild over a huge, accurate Smaug that is also a challenging build, and older collectors always have various reasons to buy the big sets. Plus, Smaug is at the same level of iconic value as Bag End, and we all know how amazingly that set sold last year. My only worry with a big Smaug would be sturdiness and functionality. I wouldn't want a fragile dragon that's prone to break, but I also want to be able to pose him in a multitude of positions. His neck and tail would especially need to be moveable, long with a hinged jaw and foldable wings. I was originally prepared to be content with a system scale Smaug, but after seeing his stupendous enormity, I would feel disappointed f LEGO didn't seize this chance and create a set that could possibly go down in the LEGO hall of fame, like the UCS Millenium Falcon. Is there any solid info about this? :) Putting uruks in Hobbit events is just PLAIN WRONG... simple as that.... no true lover of LOTR would do it period.... As for the bolded... no no no.... you dont mix and match in LOTR universe it is too distinct....uruk hai is something totally different than Gundabad Orc... Actually uruk-hai is more distinct to Gundabad Orcs/Goblins than a ROHAN SOLDIER is to LAKE TOWN SOLDIER... cos these 2 soldiers are atleast both men Uruks are bastard orcs, and gundabad orc are just kind of tribal orc from mount Gundabad...but either way, both ar orc..just Urucs are more like soldiers :)
legofreak86 Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) I hope he is under £200 because kids and parents won't want to pay that sort of money for a ginormous dragon and I think it would be unfair if only the elite people who can afford the sets such as the death star missed out on getting the most iconic villain of the movie. I'd say it'd have to be £160 at most any higher and people may shy away from purchasing. I mean I love orthanc and It just is huge but it is too much money at the moment to pull the trigger on. What I think we will get Is a £130 set with Smaug attacking lake town including the tower with the Giant crossbow and maybe some other Lake-town structures such as the town hall and the footbridge and some other stuff plus quite a few figures. Unless they do Erebor and Smaug in a large set together! Edited December 14, 2013 by legofreak86
BrickBob Studpants Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 I don't think it has to be a 200£ set, Smaug just needs to be subtantially bigger than the previous Castle dragons (the T-Rex in the 2012 Dino sets seems to be decently sized, as others have pointed out a while ago). I'm more worried about the colour rather than Smaug's size, in the movie he appears to be rather brown (-ish) and the current brown doesn't fit entirely IMO. Tan or dark tan are too bright on the other hand; and red and dk red don't fit at all
Alfadas Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 Smaug is awesome! What if TLG made a Smaug just a bit bigger then this dragon: It is really big and sturdy, I have it for like 6 years now, and I only got a tiny problem with one of the iron armor things on the back. It is just huge!
BrickBob Studpants Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 @jeroenaa: That dragon is pretty neat, even though it's a bit too "Technic-y" for my taste Of course Smaug would need Technic parts as well (mainly in order to have posability), but they shouldn't be as exposed as they are here A mix between new moulds (mainly for the head), bricks, Technic pieces and cloth should do the trick
Alfadas Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 Yeah, true. This dragon is indeed very technic-y. Your idea with new molds is I guess to expensive, and I would rather have new pieces in the form of new weapons, armor and helmets, as much as possible!
Lego Spy Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 Smaug is awesome! What if TLG made a Smaug just a bit bigger then this dragon: (pic) It is really big and sturdy, I have it for like 6 years now, and I only got a tiny problem with one of the iron armor things on the back. It is just huge! That could work, but as Lego-Freak said, it would be a bit too "Technic-y", and personally I'd like some more detail on a Smaug set, if we got one. Dol Guldur was never in the book. That whole storyline was added in by PJ. But when it comes to name of the set, I really believe it was just a way to differentiate between the two Dol Guldur sets. Phew! At first I thought I was missing something crucial!
Fives Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 Putting uruks in Hobbit events is just PLAIN WRONG... simple as that.... no true lover of LOTR would do it period.... As for the bolded... no no no.... you dont mix and match in LOTR universe it is too distinct....uruk hai is something totally different than Gundabad Orc... Actually uruk-hai is more distinct to Gundabad Orcs/Goblins than a ROHAN SOLDIER is to LAKE TOWN SOLDIER... cos these 2 soldiers are atleast both men Why did you suddenly get so up in arms about this? While there are distinctions between the various types, orcs are still just orcs. The Uruks from LOTR can easily be compared to the Gundabad orcs in stature, and while the Uruks seem more like regimented soldiers, almost like clones, the final Dol Guldur scene in DOS will change how you view the Gundabad orcs completely. As for Smaug, if he were two thirds the length of Orthanc, he'd be passable as 'to scale' with the dwarves.
Deathleech Posted December 14, 2013 Posted December 14, 2013 Speaking of the Gundabad Orcs, the Lego versions seem a little too bright orange compared to how they looked in the film.
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