BrickBob Studpants Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) It would be glorious if wave 3 has no Gandalf at all!! Glorious indeed There are still quite a few characters we need (Galadriel, Sauron, Bolg, Dain II, Mirkwood soldiers, Ironhill dwarves and Beorn in bear form) and there's no need for Gandalf taking one of the spots Bilbo on the other hand is still required, and I'm not quite sure which set he's the most likely to appear in. Given the biggest set is hopefully based on the Laketown attack, Bilbo is probably nowhere to be seen in that one. The smallest one is very likely portraying the Dol Guldur scene, so definitely no Bilbo there if that's the case. That leaves one of the remaining mid-sized sets, one of which is probably a battlepack (likely the smaller one), so I assume he's included in 79017, probably along with Bolg The latter is definitely included in one of the sets since he was supposed to appear in 79014 but got replaced by a regular Orc because of the redesign process (at least according to the EB member who provided us with this bit of information) Edited January 12, 2014 by Lego-Freak
djmangunz Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) I'm 90% sure they did-away with Dain having the red hammer, and gave it to Thrain. Bah...I meant red ax but I believe you are correct about Thrain getting it in the movie. Elrond fights in Dale? I couldn't find a better place to fit him in and we need an Elrond in red armor. Why is everyone saying Galadriel all the time O.o, If im correct she wasn't in Dol Guldur in DOS? And with Armor? Nope always the same dress :I 79018 Set 4 – xxx pcs – $130 That will be Smaug I tossed in the battle armor because another member member mentioned that Galadriel wore it in some some upcoming footage...and it sounded interesting I thought Smaug would be in the biggest set too but deskp brought up the point that he would likely be in a Laketown set. And I really want the biggest set to be Erebor And because it's my list damn it! Edited January 12, 2014 by djmangunz
legofreak86 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) Indeed as darth caedus mentioned he specifically mentioned Galadriel in his video message. Also in DOS Galadriel is mentioned and Gandalf says we must force his hand (meaning force saruman to take action) So it is almost confirmed that Galadriel and saruman will travel to Dol Guldur in TABA. So for a set of that price £12ish bracket it would make sense for it to be a set based on the Dol Guldur white council part of TABA. I think for the smallest set they'd want to have named characters rather than generic troops as the bigger sets for the battle of the five armies will contain those. Plus the DOS wave other than Dol Guldur and lake town was lacking in named protagonists.. Edited January 12, 2014 by legofreak86
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Just checked brickset for a little box size comparison and it turns out I underestimated the size of 79018, its previously reported box size and price point are identical to 9474 The Battle of Helm's Deep: http://www.brickset.com/detail/?Set=9474-1 So by comparison, I think we can expect it to have at least 1000 parts and about 8 minifigs (9474 has 1368 pieces), which easily makes it the biggest Hobbit set so far (and probably for all eternity ). What still perplexes me somewhat is the initial price that was mentioned by that Hungarian store, but they've removed the sets since so I guess that discrepancy can be ignored
kevkipo Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Bah...I meant red ax but I believe you are correct about Thrain getting it in the movie. I couldn't find a better place to fit him in and we need an Elrond in red armor. I tossed in the battle armor because another member member mentioned that Galadriel wore it in some some upcoming footage...and it sounded interesting I thought Smaug would be in the biggest set too but deskp brought up the point that he would likely be in a Laketown set. And I really want the biggest set to be Erebor And because it's my list damn it! That will do it And yeah i hope for a Erebor and Smaug too! Just imagine...
Alcarin Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 The thing is..... It will be near ''impossible'' to me Erebor.... Unless they will use the style of Mines of Moria..... Erebor is another ''Mine'' I think it is far more likely that it will be Laketown with that ''tower'' holding the Crossbow and Smaug in the set..... It also depends how will the Dragon be done that is..... If its a molded creature 90% then 1100 pieces can be used for Erebor... if its half Brick built I just dont see anything else but Laketown Tower with Bard, Laketown Archer etc....
djmangunz Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 That's why I am thinking that Ebeor will be some exterior landscape, the gates about 6 minifigs tall, the 2 dwarven statues, and a very small treasure room on the other side of the gates. A tall wall in other word. I understand the idea of having another set of Laketown but I can't see it being a $130 set, not after just getting a $50 version this wave.
Alcarin Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 That's why I am thinking that Ebeor will be some exterior landscape, the gates about 6 minifigs tall, the 2 dwarven statues, and a very small treasure room on the other side of the gates. A tall wall in other word. I understand the idea of having another set of Laketown but I can't see it being a $130 set, not after just getting a $50 version this wave. Yeah but it would perfectly fit together.... thats why it might not be out of the question.... Now imagine a tower with Black Crossbow/ballista on it and another small fishing hut with Smaug Bard, Kili, Bofur maybe Tauriel and 2 Lake Town Guards.... problem is there are not enough distinctive figs to put in unless we get Alfred and another Mayor of Lake Town.... Cant see them giving us 4 Lake Town guards in 1 set..... Only landscape of outer Erebor would be a huge waste imo..... 2 identical Dwarven Statues and burned landscape is little to be desired.... Can sooner see a Golden Statue with break functions representing Dwarven attempt of killing Smaug than anything else.
kevkipo Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 The thing is..... It will be near ''impossible'' to me Erebor.... Unless they will use the style of Mines of Moria..... Erebor is another ''Mine'' I think it is far more likely that it will be Laketown with that ''tower'' holding the Crossbow and Smaug in the set..... It also depends how will the Dragon be done that is..... If its a molded creature 90% then 1100 pieces can be used for Erebor... if its half Brick built I just dont see anything else but Laketown Tower with Bard, Laketown Archer etc.... That will still be awesome! I just hope for a mold :I sorry but the Brick Build one's aren't always that good when Lego makes them :P
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 I think it depends on the amount of parts Smaug is going to consume (*pun* ). If he makes up half of the set, a 500-600 pieces Lake-town build would make little sense, as djmangunz pointed out. I think Erebor could be done justice with that piece count, but that scenario wouldn't make much sense as a TABA set I'm not sure how strict WB/New Line/MGM are, but I assume they'd prefer TLG to release sets representing the final film instead of DOS Then again, TLG might have planned this set before the 3-part-split and thus couldn't or didn't want to change it this late in the process I'm still not sure what scenario to prefer, the Lake-town option could possibly give us Alfrid, Braga and an updated Tauriel, whereas the Erebor scenario would entail Bilbo (with the Arkenstone) and new variations of the Dwarves. The biggest selling point of that set is obviously Smaug himself, so just from a marketing point, the included minifigs don't matter that much
Deathleech Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 What still perplexes me somewhat is the initial price that was mentioned by that Hungarian store, but they've removed the sets since so I guess that discrepancy can be ignored Why? The Hungarian site listed it as 95 euro.. that is almost $130 exact. Anyways I wouldn't be surprised if Lego was able to fit Smaug into a $60 set. If he is brick built he could easily be the only build in the set, or they could construct the tower with the bolt thrower in under 100 pieces I am sure. I would think Lego is saving the big flagship set for the Bo5A scene since that seems to be the main conflict in the TABA movie, not Smaug (who will probably be dead within the first half hour). Galadriel and Sauron in a $13 set would be awesome but knowing Lego they will probably give us something else, like Gandalf vs Thrain or something.
deskp Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) So by comparison, I think we can expect it to have at least 1000 parts and about 8 minifigs (9474 has 1368 pieces), which easily makes it the biggest Hobbit set so far I want laketwn "town hall" with smaug. 8 characthers. Smaug (he propably count as a characther cause of all his molds and prints. ) Alfrid Bard Bolg Bain (Bard's son) Legolas Tauriel Laketown citizen man Bolg,tauriel, Legolas, bard and laketown citizens all fights in the battle of the 5 armies, including them in the Laketown set makes alot of sense since they serve 2 purposes in the wave. And then they don't have to "take up slots" in the bo5a sets! -I think this would be the best selection of figures for another laketown set, we don't need another Master of Laketown or Laketown guard figure. Some people might want a Braga figure, but we don't know if he's present in the bo5a. The box art could show: Tauriel and Legolas vs Bolg on the "gound floor". Alfrid could be looking scared ion the balcony of the town hall. Bard could be on the balista tower or on the roof with his bow. Bain could be looking up at smaug from a small dingy? or something. The citizen could be aiming a bow at Smaug from below. Edited January 12, 2014 by deskp
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Why? The Hungarian site listed it as 95 euro.. that is almost $130 exact. The original Hungarian price for 79018 was 26575 HUF (~90€), but Helm's Deep costs 41100 HUF (~137€), which is more like it European prices are always higher than the ones in the US, usually a 100$ set is also 100€ (even though it technically should be around 73€, but this is how TLG's price policy works )
Alcarin Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 I think it depends on the amount of parts Smaug is going to consume (*pun* ). If he makes up half of the set, a 500-600 pieces Lake-town build would make little sense, as djmangunz pointed out. I think Erebor could be done justice with that piece count, but that scenario wouldn't make much sense as a TABA set I'm not sure how strict WB/New Line/MGM are, but I assume they'd prefer TLG to release sets representing the final film instead of DOS Then again, TLG might have planned this set before the 3-part-split and thus couldn't or didn't want to change it this late in the process I'm still not sure what scenario to prefer, the Lake-town option could possibly give us Alfrid, Braga and an updated Tauriel, whereas the Erebor scenario would entail Bilbo (with the Arkenstone) and new variations of the Dwarves. The biggest selling point of that set is obviously Smaug himself, so just from a marketing point, the included minifigs don't matter that much Well the biggest pro on Lake Town + Smaug is that we already have a part of Lake Town and it would fit nicely together to make the City on Lake..... It would also promote buying Lake Town Chase I want laketwn "town hall" with smaug. 8 characthers. Smaug (he propably count as a characther cause of all his molds and prints. ) Alfrid Bard Bolg Bain (Bard's son) Legolas Tauriel Laketown citizen man Bolg,tauriel, Legolas, bard and laketown citizens all fights in the battle of the 5 armies, including them in the Laketown set makes alot of sense since they serve 2 purposes in the wave. And then they don't have to "take up slots" in the bo5a sets! -I think this would be the best selection of figures for another laketown set, we don't need another Master of Laketown or Laketown guard figure. Some people might want a Braga figure, but we don't know if he's present in the bo5a. The box art could show: Tauriel and Legolas vs Bolg on the "gound floor". Alfrid could be looking scared ion the balcony of the town hall. Bard could be on the balista tower or on the roof with his bow. Bain could be looking up at smaug from a small dingy? or something. The citizen could be aiming a bow at Smaug from below. must say those fig choices would look awfully weird.... Even if your reasoning is good it would just totally destroy any movie resemblance with Bolg being there. The biggest problem with Smaug + Lake Town vs Smaug + Erebor is the figure choices..... A 130$ set will have minim 7 likely 8 or possibly even 9 figs right..... and getting even usual 8 figs is currently extremely hard even with including Braga and Alfred (or is it Alfred?) I would assume LEGO wants to keep atleast 1 exclusive fig from Lake Town chase and Bard has to be in Lake Town vs Smaug set so that possibly eliminates Mayor.... So we are: Bard Alfred Braga and then who stayed in Lake Town? Kili, Fili Bofur and 1 more right? And we have possibilitiy of Tauriel so that would bring us to 8 figs..... But those choices are for me very unappealing .... of all those figs I would want Braga and potentially Tauriel in new torso printing the most..... rest I could easily pass. The original Hungarian price for 79018 was 26575 HUF (~90€), but Helm's Deep costs 41100 HUF (~137€), which is more like it European prices are always higher than the ones in the US, usually a 100$ set is also 100€ (even though it technically should be around 73€, but this is how TLG's price policy works ) its also quite impossible to see a 95€ priced set.... its either 99.99 or 119.99 or 139.99 I am yet to see set retailing for 94.99....
deskp Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Must say those fig choices would look awfully weird.... Even if your reasoning is good it would just totally destroy any movie resemblance with Bolg being there. Who stayed in Lake Town? Kili, Fili Bofur and 1 more right? And we have possibilitiy of Tauriel so that would bring us to 8 figs..... People would remember the Bolg vs Legolas fight from dos, I mean Radagast figthing an orc in dol guldur, and Arwen at the council of Elrond worked aswell, and I dare say Bolg figthing legolas would work better than those 2 examples. kids would recognize it wich would help sell sets without them having seen TABA . (not to mention Beorn figthing orcs in dol guldur, and Thrandil figthing agaisnt orcs and wargs on a weird wall) The dwarves will get nice armor for bo5a, so it's unlikely lego would make any dwarves in their raggedy laketown scrubs. Fili and Kili in particular are important in bo5a so they shouldn't be in a laketown set.
BrickBob Studpants Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 its also quite impossible to see a 95€ priced set.... its either 99.99 or 119.99 or 139.99 I am yet to see set retailing for 94.99.... As I've said, the box size and US price are identical to 9474, so expect it to be €139.99 The Hungarian site probably got something mixed up, I mean they were also missing 79017 and I don't think that one's a retailer exclusive with only four sets being released Yeah, the minifig selection wouldn't exactly be spectacular in either case, but as I've mentioned, Smaug would be the main selling point Or can you imagine a kid or a fan going like "wow, look at this huge LEGO set with that epic dragon... meh, no spectacular, exclusive, brand-new minifigs, nah I'll just skip it and buy that small set with Gollum instead" Even if Smaug turned out to appear in 79017 instead of 79018, the minifig selection would still be tricky since 79017 includes at least 5 minifigs, considering the price point; so same problem there
Darth Punk Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 I think lake town and Smaug in 79017 makes the most sense. It's an exclusive and we already have a lake town set. Thus leaving 79018 being Erebor that might pair with 79016 as some type of battle pack with a dale ruin for a grand battle,of the five armies.
djmangunz Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) I think it depends on the amount of parts Smaug is going to consume (*pun* ). If he makes up half of the set, a 500-600 pieces Lake-town build would make little sense, as djmangunz pointed out. I think Erebor could be done justice with that piece count, but that scenario wouldn't make much sense as a TABA set There is a snippet in one of Peter Jackson's video blogs, maybe 13 or 14 I can't remember, which shows a group of what appear to be Iron Hills dwarves preparing for battle in a place which resembles the halls of Erebor. This makes me believe that the battle of the Five Armies in the last movie will spill into the dwarven stronghold. Hence my hope for a glorious Erebor set Plus, if this really is going to be the last big set from Middle Earth, we need another fortress or castle for our hero's on par with the excellent Helm's Deep. Edited January 12, 2014 by djmangunz
AFOLguy1970 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 For a Laketown vs Smaug set, I would expect (hope) the minifigs would be: Bard (absolutely necessary) Bain Maybe Bard's daughter as well Two Laketown guards, possibly with bows or something to fire projectiles into the air A citizen or two (with very frightened second faces) Alfrid Maybe Tauriel depending on her role here
Faefrost Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 That's why I am thinking that Ebeor will be some exterior landscape, the gates about 6 minifigs tall, the 2 dwarven statues, and a very small treasure room on the other side of the gates. A tall wall in other word. I understand the idea of having another set of Laketown but I can't see it being a $130 set, not after just getting a $50 version this wave. I think Erebor would work something along the lines of the LR Silver Mine or the good old Agents Volcano Lair. The landscaped mountain side with huge doors in the middle. Just maybe in a larger scale than those two sets given a $130 price tag.
deskp Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 There is a snippet in one of Peter Jackson's video blogs, maybe 13 or 14 I can't remember, which shows a group of what appear to be Iron Hills dwarves preparing for battle in a place which resembles the halls of Erebor. Thats the erebor dwarves going to attack smaug from the prologue. The EE bluray extras shows a group of iron hills dwarves on a greenscreen, the musical score VLOG shows 1 iron hills dwarf dying on greenscreen.
djmangunz Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 I think Erebor would work something along the lines of the LR Silver Mine or the good old Agents Volcano Lair. The landscaped mountain side with huge doors in the middle. Just maybe in a larger scale than those two sets given a $130 price tag. That sounds perfect! Thats the erebor dwarves going to attack smaug from the prologue. The EE bluray extras shows a group of iron hills dwarves on a greenscreen, the musical score VLOG shows 1 iron hills dwarf dying on greenscreen. That's where that clip is from. I still believe that some of the battle of the five armies will take place in Erebor.
Faefrost Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 That sounds perfect! That's where that clip is from. I still believe that some of the battle of the five armies will take place in Erebor. Isn't the Bo5A supposed (in theory) to take place on the plains in front of the gates of Erebor? So it's possible an Erebor set may be the big Bo5A set? I still think if we get a Smaug it will be in a set with the Laketown tower and balista. After all anytime Lego is given the oportunity to shoot at something like a dragon with something like a catapult they will take it. It's an added but completely unintentional bonus if such an event does in fact happen on screen. I mean that whole "black arrow" windlass thing just justified 10 years worth of flick fire missiles in one horrid deus ex machina.
SirBlake Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 I mean that whole "black arrow" windlass thing just justified 10 years worth of flick fire missiles in one horrid deus ex machina. LOL, ain't that the truth.
Deathleech Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 Yeah, the minifig selection wouldn't exactly be spectacular in either case, but as I've mentioned, Smaug would be the main selling point Or can you imagine a kid or a fan going like "wow, look at this huge LEGO set with that epic dragon... meh, no spectacular, exclusive, brand-new minifigs, nah I'll just skip it and buy that small set with Gollum instead" Even if Smaug turned out to appear in 79017 instead of 79018, the minifig selection would still be tricky since 79017 includes at least 5 minifigs, considering the price point; so same problem there I also feel like the biggest set will be based on Erebor/Bo5A and the $60 one will be Smaug. It just makes sense. Smaug shouldn't have a ton of screen time in TABA, he will probably torch Lake-town then die. He shouldn't have more than 30-45 minutes of screen time even with PJ adding all his extras. The biggest set in the TABA wave should be based on the Bo5A since that's the main event happening in the movie. Plus kids are really going to want Smaug so Lego will probably want him in a more affordable set. And as others have mentioned, the minifigure selection just isn't there for 5 figs, let alone 8. There just aren't very many new or unique ones Lego can do. Ok, we get Braga, Alfrid, Bain and Bard and a Lake-town Guard. Are any of these characters highly sought after? Not really, it's like the C list of characters other than Bard. I think Lego could easily do Smaug justice even in a $60 set as long as they only include a small 50-100 piece tower with the bolt thrower on it. It's true kids probably won't care about the minifigures and will focus on Smaug, but what about AFOLS? Unless it has a lot of useful red parts, or molded pieces, they could easily pass if there are no exciting minifigures included. It's just another parts pack for them. Lego should try to make the set as appealing as possible and have both a cool dragon and minifigure selection. Plus it would just be weird getting a Hobbit building set that actually has the main selling point be the build and not the unique minifigure selection for once Isn't the Bo5A supposed (in theory) to take place on the plains in front of the gates of Erebor? So it's possible an Erebor set may be the big Bo5A set? Ya, no fighting actually happens in Erebor, at least not in the book. The 13 dwarves barricade themselves inside when Thranduil and the Lake-town men come looking for the treasure. When the orcs arrive they all join forces against them and Thorin and company come outside to help. Lego would be smart to give us the big gate and dwarven statues as the main build in a Bo5A. I mean what else is going to be the build? The ruins of Dale? That might be cool, but not near as exciting or unique looking. set.
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