Heroica RPG - Cruel Angel's Thesis ~ Day One

[Kadabra]

I also received a potato from Pauline, Brienne. given her startling accuracy in the past and the act that I currently have no reason to mistrust her, her suspicions have been taken into account. Anyway, I just read from around page 12 all the way to here so forgive me if I've missed any accusations against me while I make my defenses.

Heyo Beautiful people!

I am here now! You may bask in my sculpted physique and enjoy my penetrating... wit.

Oh, you want some work before pleasure?

Ok, how's this?

Now my ears may be pointy, but I think my head's on straight when I say this is the statement, not of a Nephilim, but a very confused hero.

But two players then targeted this poor wretch with theft actions? why?

would they please share their reasons, do you really think he's scummy?

Short answer yes. Long answer, I believe stupidity is a reasonable enough explanation that I don't really want to kill him in case he's a Hero, but if he is scum I don't want to leave powerful items in his hands - heck, even if he is stupid misuse of a bomb like he claims he has could be seriously detrimental to us. As such, I relieved him of the ability to use one of his items against us.

Kob will speak suspicions, if were-tiger would like to hear them.

Kob think Voros is very suspicious. Voros has edited reinstated thoughts, bandwagonned on every occasion he can (including Kob's own ideas), and agrees with everything. Kob wants action, and Kob knows lion wants action.

If Voros winds up being loyal to Heroica, two ladies who robbed him, Callico and Kharybdis, look more than a little suspicious, potentially leeching on bandwagon and gaining gold for scummy Nephilim.

Kob also curious why Eris think Fleyra look suspicious. Could Eris tell hall and Kob why Fleyra looks suspicious?

I can't take gold, I take an item at random. See above for why I did it.

"Oh I dinnae know, ye could use tha blasted magifyn' glass on me!"

"Why not use the glass on the target most seem to suspect, the gremlin?"

To both of you: Messing with the list defeats the purpose of it. If Ysp could choose between Skrupp, Emanuelle, OR Luridan, then that's three times the chance that (assuming Ysp is scum) he had a scum buddy available he could 'clear' and pass the glass to.

To those of you questioning my trustworthiness: This early in the game nobody is trustworthy... That's the point of the plan. The fact that I not only came up with the plan but also acknowledged flaws presented by other heroes and then introduced redundancies to at least partially address those flaws should speak volumes about how much I've done to support the Hall. Those of you muttering about how the plan is unreliable, no sh*t. Do you have a better alternative? No? Then please accept the fact that it's currently our best option and the fact that even if it majorly gets screwed up we still will learn from it... Unlike from grumbling and making half hearted accusations.

On Ysp's trustworthiness: Good thing we have those redundancies, huh? I don't like how hesitant Ysp was to take action when in his first post of the day he literally said he saw no flaws in it.

Anything I failed to address?

[Brickdoctor]

Also, even if we didn't have a list, I wouldn't recommend investigating Luridan. I read in a book about these situations before that you shouldn't investigate those you have a read on, whether that read is town or scum. To make the best use of your investigation opportunities, you first investigate the ones that you can't get a read on.

[Purpearljellyblob]

Oh, beautiful silly person.

Because of the very unlikely, but possible situation where Ysp is secretly evil and Voros is secretly evil. Voros has been trolling for a lynch or at lease an investigation. If Ysp uses the glass to 'clear' Voros it'd be a little while before we straightened the mess out.

A more likely scenario is

Ysp is a true hero (odds are that he is, even if he dragged his feet over the glass) and that Voros is a true hero, but a fool.

If that's the much more likely case, it's better to investigate someone else anyway since if Voros is a fool finding his alignment doesn't matter either way.

Pauline Jillian Boyle is attracted to Cromeo's lovely use of words.

"Why clear Retak Ysp so early in the game, may I ask?"

[Masked Builder]

Sorry I'm late fellows. Got a bit lost on the way here. I don't feel confident enough to do anything yet.

[Chromeknight]

Pauline Jillian Boyle is attracted to Cromeo's lovely use of words.

"Why clear Retak Ysp so early in the game, may I ask?"

Beautiful lady!

Not cleared, just a punt based purely on odds.

Fourty two heroes.

Some small number are secretly evil.

The rest are not.

Choosing a hero at random as Ysp was, is more likely to be good rater than secretly evil.

In fact, Ysp' alingnment is of no consequence to the first investigation.

There are four possibilities (listed in order of probability)

Ysp is good, emmanuelle is good. Ysp reports emmanuelle is good. Reporting is truthful.

Ysp is good emmanuelle is evil. Ysp reports emmanuelle as evil. Reporting is truthful.

Ysp is evil, emmanuelle is good. Ysp cannot report emmanuelle as evil since she'd be immediately lynched, which would expose Ysp.

Therefore Ysp MUST report emmanuelle as good. Reporting is truthful.

Ysp is evil, emmanuelle is evil. Ysp either

reports emmanuelle as evil. emmanuelle gets thrown under a buscart, reporting is truthful.

OR

reports emmanuelle as good, revealing Ysp's own alignment being revealed when the second glass looks at emmanuelle also. reporting is false, but reveals two evil players anyway

OR

messes with the result in some other way. reporting is inconclusive, but reveals two evil players anyway.

Anyway you cut it, we get true information to act on regardless of Ysp's alignment.

[Kadabra]

Sorry I'm late fellows. Got a bit lost on the way here. I don't feel confident enough to do anything yet.

Evenif you don't want to take action, surely you have opinions on the discussion we've already produced? Why, if you were to write it all down it would take over twenty pages, with that amount of talking you must have found at least one thing to comment on.

Beautiful lady!

Not cleared, just a punt based purely on odds.

Fourty two heroes.

Some small number are secretly evil.

The rest are not.

Choosing a hero at random as Ysp was, is more likely to be good rater than secretly evil.

In fact, Ysp' alingnment is of no consequence to the first investigation.

There are four possibilities (listed in order of probability)

Ysp is good, emmanuelle is good. Ysp reports emmanuelle is good. Reporting is truthful.

Ysp is good emmanuelle is evil. Ysp reports emmanuelle as evil. Reporting is truthful.

Ysp is evil, emmanuelle is good. Ysp cannot report emmanuelle as evil since she'd be immediately lynched, which would expose Ysp.

Therefore Ysp MUST report emmanuelle as good. Reporting is truthful.

Ysp is evil, emmanuelle is evil. Ysp either

reports emmanuelle as evil. emmanuelle gets thrown under a buscart, reporting is truthful.

OR

reports emmanuelle as good, revealing Ysp's own alignment being revealed when the second glass looks at emmanuelle also. reporting is false, but reveals two evil players anyway

OR

messes with the result in some other way. reporting is inconclusive, but reveals two evil players anyway.

Anyway you cut it, we get true information to act on regardless of Ysp's alignment.

Thank you, you amazingly logical fellow (not bad looking, either!)! Where were you when people were, as Skrupp would put it, 'pussyfooting about' and not putting into action the plan that we've consensually agreed on that is guaranteed to give us useful information despite the outcome?

[Brickdoctor]

Evenif you don't want to take action, surely you have opinions on the discussion we've already produced? Why, if you were to write it all down it would take over twenty pages, with that amount of talking you must have found at least one thing to comment on.

This scattered and indecisively non-contributing behavior, in my experience, is to be expected from characters such as Maxi, and the sample size of Days played out is too small to make much judgment based on inactivity. This inactivity isn't the kind that's trying to look active or helpful but isn't, that sort of behavior is what would be immediately suspicious to me.

[Kadabra]

This scattered and indecisively non-contributing behavior, in my experience, is to be expected from characters such as Maxi, and the sample size of Days played out is too small to make much judgment based on inactivity. This inactivity isn't the kind that's trying to look active or helpful but isn't, that sort of behavior is what would be immediately suspicious to me.

Good to know. I don't believe I've played mafia Quested with Maxi often if at all, so I'm in no position to metagame judge him to be more likely to be Nephilim or loyal based n activity level. I still would like to hear at least one opinion, but if that's the way he plays lives, then I guess it's just different strokes for different blokes.

[Brickdoctor]

Good to know. I don't believe I've played mafia Quested with Maxi often if at all, so I'm in no position to metagame judge him to be more likely to be Nephilim or loyal based n activity level. I still would like to hear at least one opinion, but if that's the way he plays lives, then I guess it's just different strokes for different blokes.

Oh, I'm not trying to judge his alignment; I just want to point out that his behavior isn't unusual for him and I wouldn't try to infer too much from it at this point.

[UsernameMDM]

Satisfied by the reactions to his perceived action, Usharman, gentle uncoils, and slithers off to a quiet spot.

"Until next time, gremlin."

Usharman does NOTHING.

[swils]

What was snake expecting, everyone jump on him? Or he just pick easy target and see if others follow suit? I thoink it silly. Non-committal. Gremlin obvious choice for target, easy to explain away with 'just look how much he help' but I thoink you get more passive reaction than you wanted. Can't blend in with other attackers now so must change mind.

[Flare]

"Is it just me or has Eris avoided answering all questions directed towards her? I know it was a little while ago (a few pages) but she had randomly accused me of being ome of the Nephilim, and when asked to clarify why, she was silent and never responded. This may be a good sign of scumminess, my friends."

Edited August 29, 2013 by Flare

[PsyKater]

"You all are so silly! 'Ysp do this!' 'Do what?' 'What we told you to do!' 'You told me a lot to do. Is there a consens yet?' 'Yes of course' *cant find any consens* *do what I think the last 'consens'* was*

Several people: 'What are you doing?'

You are silly and I am not amused. Not at all."

[Kadabra]

"You all are so silly! 'Ysp do this!' 'Do what?' 'What we told you to do!' 'You told me a lot to do. Is there a consens yet?' 'Yes of course' *cant find any consens* *do what I think the last 'consens'* was*

Several people: 'What are you doing?'

You are silly and I am not amused. Not at all."

What you did was fine, what is suspicious is how long it took you to do it. By the time you logged on, w

You already had the Gold and the list was already posted, all you had to do was say "I buy a magnifying glass and use it on Emanuelle" but you didn't do so.

[swils]

"You all are so silly! 'Ysp do this!' 'Do what?' 'What we told you to do!' 'You told me a lot to do. Is there a consens yet?' 'Yes of course' *cant find any consens* *do what I think the last 'consens'* was*

Several people: 'What are you doing?'

You are silly and I am not amused. Not at all."

I believe I poinkted out quite clearly what plan was. And as plan goes, you still not follow entirely. Unless everyone okay with investigate Emmanuelle first instead of Skrupp, work from bottom of list towards top.

[Kadabra]

I believe I poinkted out quite clearly what plan was. And as plan goes, you still not follow entirely. Unless everyone okay with investigate Emmanuelle first instead of Skrupp, work from bottom of list towards top.

I believe it was the pretty blond Evoker who pointed out that investigating the one above you and passing the glass downwards is a better system than investigating and passing down, because that way not only is the initial investigation immediately supported or discredited when the investigator is investigated, it also means that if we lynch an investigee the flow of the list won't be broken and we can just keep going.

[swils]

I see no difference between...

Ah, I see difference. If list is A, B, C...Y, Z, and A has glass, A checks Z, passes to B, B checks A, passes to C... Okay, I understand now. That my bad, Retak! That my bad.

[Darkdragon]

So. Much. Noise.

I need to have my darling Jargon to give me strength and clarity in these trying times.

U’dargan releases a clasp and with a smile and nod to Jargon he unleashes the dragon.

Fly high, little one. Tell me what you see.

[herrJJ]

"You all are so silly! 'Ysp do this!' 'Do what?' 'What we told you to do!' 'You told me a lot to do. Is there a consens yet?' 'Yes of course' *cant find any consens* *do what I think the last 'consens'* was*

Several people: 'What are you doing?'

You are silly and I am not amused. Not at all."

"You might feel a bit overwhelmed by everything. And there even can not be a consensus about the plan. The Nephilim surely don't like that plan. But it seems to be a good plan. It is not meant to push you around but someone has to start. And I think my fellow heroes have worked on a plan that is suitable to probably save Heroica." Heron said calmly. For now talking was the only thing he could do.

[Scorpiox]

Skrupp wanders lazily back into the area where everyone is standing.

"G'mornin' all, did I miss much? Eris, ya' may not be tha' prettiest girl I've ever slept with, but certainly one of tha' most... energetic."

He downs a nearby ale.

Satisfied by the reactions to his perceived action, Usharman, gentle uncoils, and slithers off to a quiet spot.

"Until next time, gremlin."

Usharman does NOTHING.

"Ah, glad ta' see that ya' have come ta' ya' senses. This isn't ta' mean that Luridan won't be bein' killed tonight, but if he is, it should be with tha' agreement of tha' majority. I recognise what ya' were tryin' ta' do, though, it's a plan that myself might have considered tryin'."

"You all are so silly! 'Ysp do this!' 'Do what?' 'What we told you to do!' 'You told me a lot to do. Is there a consens yet?' 'Yes of course' *cant find any consens* *do what I think the last 'consens'* was*

Several people: 'What are you doing?'

You are silly and I am not amused. Not at all."

"Apologies, my delicate friend, if we've been upsettin' ya'. We're all just nervous ta' get this over with, as soon as at least one of this group is trustable, we can start work from there."

[Etzel]

"Rrroar! Me have studied other heroes behaviour during the day, some act very cowardly and unheroic. They speak of action and then do nothing when what they wish for is happening. Me especially don't like orc mage Kob's behaviour:"

Kob will speak suspicions, if were-tiger would like to hear them.

Kob think Voros is very suspicious. Voros has edited reinstated thoughts, bandwagonned on every occasion he can (including Kob's own ideas), and agrees with everything. Kob wants action, and Kob knows lion wants action.

If Voros winds up being loyal to Heroica, two ladies who robbed him, Callico and Kharybdis, look more than a little suspicious, potentially leeching on bandwagon and gaining gold for scummy Nephilim.

Kob also curious why Eris think Fleyra look suspicious. Could Eris tell hall and Kob why Fleyra looks suspicious?

"Me knows those suspicions of gremlin already. Same as has been said before. More thinking same thing doesn't make it true. Me also already said me want orc lady to speak about suspicions. Why orc mage repeating same thing again?

Me still think gremlin suspicious, but more and more heroes also behaving strange."

"Me never got answer from orc mage on this. Instead orc mage continues to point finger of suspicion on gremlin, even when no one doubt the suspiciousness of gremlin anymore."

Gremlin is now spinning a web of deceit. Why would gremlin speak now about working together, particularly when group discussing him? Kob think Voros trying to change subject.

Kob politely asks Voros to shut his feeding hole and to rational explain himself, instead of curse about and call Kob something he isn't.

Voros has acted very scummy. Kob notes that Voros has edited his statements, bandwagoned, threatened, spun deceit and false ideas, and recently exploded with his tone of voice. Kob thinks Voros needs to explain himself quickly.

Indeed. If Voros not dead by tomorrow morning, Voros must be scum. Nephilim know this as well. Why kill one of Nephilim's own, especially one who brings Nephilim back from dead?

Kob disagrees with the Visionary. Who's to say gremlin won't pass item off to scum? Kob does not want to see Nephilim rise again.

If we resurrect him once, whose to say scum won't kill gremlin again? Kob thinks ideas just bad news for heroes. Heroes hastily rushed to give Ysp money, and now Ysp's loyalty is being brought into question. Kob is against keeping gremlin alive, no matter what.

"Me think orc mage Kob looks very keen on escaping suspicion by targeting the weakest one in the pack, the one who is already target for much suspicion. But what happens when someone actually does what orc mage wants? When the Naga attacks the gremlin?

Kob stays to sidelines. Kob could tell this fight would get interesting.

"Orc mage does nothing despite wanting gremlin dead. How does orc mage Kob think gremlin will die if not by attacking him? Orc mage looks afraid to engage if not several others join the attack so orc mage can hide in numbers. Me call Kob coward and decietful, not a true hero! Rrroar!

Orc mage also opposed to magnifying glass plan, maybe afraid getting targeted:"

Kob disagrees with plan, since possibility of glass falling into enemy hands is high, but if it must be done, Kob will not pester those who agree to plan. Kob reminds everyone that honor is a trait the enemy doesn't have. Kob recognizes flaws with democracy, and wishes others would too.

Kob is sorry Lorth.

Terrible things are going forth.

Kob enjoys rhyming couplets.

On side note, Kob comments on gremlin's fishiness, and not just gremlin's smell neither. Gremlin clearly has no idea what he's saying. Kob knows action is mandatory for hall to stay alive. Gremlin seems to be covering his hide. Kob questions why gremlin wants hall to keep quiet during day. Does gremlin have actions that gremlin does not want rest of hall knowing about? Kob finds gremlin very suspicious...

Kob is in agreeance with Zpilf. Kob has already stated why. Kob does not want enemy to get a hold of powerful items. Powerful items in hands of scum means danger for all heroes.

"Me agree with magnifying glass plan, good plan me thinks. Only problem is that it is slow, only one (or two if two glasses used) hero is cleared each turn and we are very many heroes in this pack. Me far down list but wants to do something now. Me will do Critical Attack on orc mage Kob."

[Capt.JohnPaul]

"Very good Ezeal. Maybe we can find others with similar tendencies. However, this might mean 2 things:"

1. Kob is scum, and wants everyone to kill the Gremlin because it would be an easy way to kill a Hero, however, she backs off because once the Gremlin is revealed as a hero, Kob doesn't want to be involved in killing him, and thus being able to argue she didn't want to attack him.

OR

2. Kob and Gremlin are BOTH Nephillim. Kob tries to avoid suspicion by jumping on a bandwagon against the Gremlin, but once it gets dangerous, Kob tries to save him.

[Flare]

"And we resort to attacking our fellow heroes..." Fleyra sighs loudly, visibly flustered. "Are you sure this is a wise choice of action Master Werelion?"

Fleyra chews on the words spoken and has something else to add, "I have thought more about what you said Ezeal. Perhaps your reasoning is logical and sound. Kob has really been acting suspicious as you have described. Go ahead, and if he is truely a nephilim than may your attack be successful."

[Pyrovisionary]

"And we resort to attacking our fellow heroes..." Fleyra sighs loudly, visibly flustered. "Are you sure this is a wise choice of action Master Werelion?"

"He could be Nephilim. Besides, what are we going to do, tell him off?"

[Scorpiox]

"Me agree with magnifying glass plan, good plan me thinks. Only problem is that it is slow, only one (or two if two glasses used) hero is cleared each turn and we are very many heroes in this pack. Me far down list but wants to do something now. Me will do Critical Attack on orc mage Kob."

"Mate, ya' are not helpin' by just attackin' him, ya' realise that? If ev'ry one just acted off their own personal suspicions without a proper plan, we'd all be dead in an instant. Stop, right now. Are ya' really blind enough ta' not see tha' dangers of what ya' are doin'?"