Flare Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "Mate, ya' are not helpin' by just attackin' him, ya' realise that? If ev'ry one just acted off their own personal suspicions without a proper plan, we'd all be dead in an instant. Stop, right now. Are ya' really blind enough ta' not see tha' dangers of what ya' are doin'?" "Daylight is wasting. When presented with facts you must admit that it does seem very likely that he is one of the fallen angels. If we sit around and do nothing then what will we have gained?"
Etzel Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "Mate, ya' are not helpin' by just attackin' him, ya' realise that? If ev'ry one just acted off their own personal suspicions without a proper plan, we'd all be dead in an instant. Stop, right now. Are ya' really blind enough ta' not see tha' dangers of what ya' are doin'?" "Me getting really tired of you never wanting to do something, norseman. Me have plan and it's not only my plan. Kill orc mage and get to know his real allegiance. Need to move forward to get somewhere."
Scubacarrot Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "I for one think everyone should do what they wanna do. We all have actions. And while listening and following the lead of Heroica Leaders would be pretty rad, we can't know if they are cool. A lot of harm can come from taking seed in the shadow of a giant tree, sooner or later, it will come crashing down on you man. The insistance of you wanting to keep everything a secret, and centralized, causes me to be slightly suspicious of you, Skrupp."
Scorpiox Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "I for one think everyone should do what they wanna do. We all have actions. And while listening and following the lead of Heroica Leaders would be pretty rad, we can't know if they are cool. A lot of harm can come from taking seed in the shadow of a giant tree, sooner or later, it will come crashing down on you man. The insistance of you wanting to keep everything a secret, and centralized, causes me to be slightly suspicious of you, Skrupp." "Oh does it, Scamander? Now tell me, what have I been or wantin' ta' be keepin' a secret? - 'cause I don't know what ya' are talkin' about. I'm sure any one of ya' can see that all I'm doin' is tryin' ta' maintain order when others'd rather be kickin'-in heads."
Scubacarrot Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "You were insistant on no one revealing their moves, dude."
Scorpiox Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "You were insistant on no one revealing their moves, dude." "Common sense, mate. Havin' ya' reveal that ya' have a protectin' action or whatever and who ya' are usin' it on ruins tha' chance of on of tha' Nephilim wastin' there attack. We don't want ta' help 'em out in pickin' their targets. We still don't know who ta' trust yet, do we? Best ta' keep ourselves secure until we do."
Scubacarrot Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "Saying you have a certain action is not the same as saying which one and on who you're using it. And not doing or saying anything is not going to help you learn who to trust." Scamander jumps up a table and tilts his head: "You are acting like a grub, squirming under the paws of the forest creatures."
Scorpiox Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "Saying you have a certain action is not the same as saying which one and on who you're using it. And not doing or saying anything is not going to help you learn who to trust." Scamander jumps up a table and tilts his head: "You are acting like a grub, squirming under the paws of the forest creatures." Skrupp laughs. "All I was doin' was stoppin' yer before ya' revealed too much - go and jog yer memory (re-read) if ya' don't believe me. I say we'll know who ta' trust conclusively when tha' first glass results come in. And if I'm 'squirmin', then ev'ry other bugger here must be lyin' down cryin', 'cause the only one who seems ta' find my obvious actions suspicious is ya'. If ya' want ta' suspect me, fine, do so, at least ya' are usin' ya' brain rather than sheepin' about." "Me getting really tired of you never wanting to do something, norseman. Me have plan and it's not only my plan. Kill orc mage and get to know his real allegiance. Need to move forward to get somewhere." "I'd just rather that ya' might have allowed some more time for others, especially tha' accused, ta' respond ta' yer words. Jumpin' ta' conclusions before he has a chance ta' explain himself is folly."
Kintobor Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 Kob taken back by Ezrael, especially when Kob started to trust Ezrael. Kob isn't only one who opposed glass plan. Does that make everyone in hall who opposed it scum as well? Kob had best interests of hall in mind. If Nephilim get both glasses, heroes stand no chance. Heroes better off not risking bringing another glass into play. Orc mage repeat things because that all hall know about. Me go on hunch, just like you are now. Kob wonders why Ezrael pin target on newbie hero too. Evidence has not accumulated yet, yet everything Ezrael says could easily apply to Voros, who clearly looks more scummy. Kob believes that with Voros dead, more leads will appear. Maybe Kob did attack, maybe Kob didn't. Ezrael will never know. "Very good Ezeal. Maybe we can find others with similar tendencies. However, this might mean 2 things:" 1. Kob is scum, and wants everyone to kill the Gremlin because it would be an easy way to kill a Hero, however, she backs off because once the Gremlin is revealed as a hero, Kob doesn't want to be involved in killing him, and thus being able to argue she didn't want to attack him. OR 2. Kob and Gremlin are BOTH Nephillim. Kob tries to avoid suspicion by jumping on a bandwagon against the Gremlin, but once it gets dangerous, Kob tries to save him. Cappriccia very quick to call Kob scum. Even Kob recognized possibility of Voros being town. Cappriccia, why do you think this?
Chromeknight Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 Heyo beautiful octolady. I've got a bit of time free, come over here and let me make you feel good. cromeo encourages Kharybdis.
Scorpiox Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 Cappriccia very quick to call Kob scum. Even Kob recognized possibility of Voros being town. Cappriccia, why do you think this? "I ain't defendin' tha' greenskin, but I'd like ta' highlight this point. Cappricia darlin' has only factored into her thought-process one real idea - that Kob MUST be a Nephilim. Havin' such certainty so early on is very suspicious indeed, as before any actions can take place tha' only folks who are certain about other's affiliations are tha' bastards themselves. We could interpret this in a coupla' ways:" "One - That Cappricia is so quick ta' jump on tha' exectution 'cause she is a Nephilim git tryin' ta' stir up trouble and make us kill each other. Disorder is tha' greatest weapon after all. If she would be able ta' push an argument that extra mile and cause a fight, even better for her." "Two - Cappricia is a nice-enough hero nervous about seemin' unhelpful, and so has jumped on a reasonably convincin' argument and furthered it in one direction, aimin' for others ta' see her as a vocal and useful presence. She wants ta' be seen havin' done some brain-work, correct or otherwise. Well... I'm already sure that's she's vocal in one way or another, but erm, not in the sense that I was talkin' about. He he." "Ya' can all make up ya' own minds about this one, I'd like ta' see how she responds ta' these accusations before I make my judgements."
Waterbrick Down Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 {We have two options before us, either we each to his own devices and we let the matter settle itself that way, or we take the long and strenuous route slowly inching along checking individuals one at time with no clue as to whether or not our own results might be manipulated or hindered in some way. Perhaps we should make it mandatory that no one resorts to ranged attacks or spells during the day and that everyone must state their plan of action even if it is to simply do nothing. Anyone not going along with this plan will be attacked the following day. This will at least help to deter any of the Nephilim from attacking during the day.}
-obelix- Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "Wraped man makez good point. Ay dont think Nephilim cultiztz would dare attack anyone during day, but gang-up on a perzon dooring d night. Az Ay dont feel confident eenaugh to acuse anyone tooday, Ay will do nothing. End Ay plan to take action only wen wee get some eenfor-mation from perzon with d reeveeleeng glasz..."
joeshmoe554 Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "Rather than risk... having the blood of an... innocent on my hands... I will also... do nothing for the moment... as I am... unsure of who may... or may not be... guilty."
CMP Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 {We have two options before us, either we each to his own devices and we let the matter settle itself that way, or we take the long and strenuous route slowly inching along checking individuals one at time with no clue as to whether or not our own results might be manipulated or hindered in some way. Perhaps we should make it mandatory that no one resorts to ranged attacks or spells during the day and that everyone must state their plan of action even if it is to simply do nothing. Anyone not going along with this plan will be attacked the following day. This will at least help to deter any of the Nephilim from attacking during the day.} "Okay, we're, like, totally on the same level here, Bones. I think it's a good idea we try and work together at, like, a reasonable level, such as this plan we've got goin' with the glass, but we need to at least, like, take action when we feel we need to, because, then, well, like, if we don't, then, like, well, we'll end up staring through the Magnifying Glass dusk 'til dawn 'til the Nifelheimrs put knives in our backs. I like your idea about ranged attacks, but, like, well, there's nothing stopping the Neflan from doing it, since they won't be spotted, right?" "And since I guess I forgot to mention it yesterday, Pauline Jill Boil or whoever sent me her suspicions too."
Duvors Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 (edited) Luridan jerks back, apparently rested from his sleep, and goes to his mixture. Edited August 29, 2013 by Lord Duvors
Flipz Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "Okay, we're, like, totally on the same level here, Bones. I think it's a good idea we try and work together at, like, a reasonable level, such as this plan we've got goin' with the glass, but we need to at least, like, take action when we feel we need to, because, then, well, like, if we don't, then, like, well, we'll end up staring through the Magnifying Glass dusk 'til dawn 'til the Nifelheimrs put knives in our backs. I like your idea about ranged attacks, but, like, well, there's nothing stopping the Neflan from doing it, since they won't be spotted, right?" "And since I guess I forgot to mention it yesterday, Pauline Jill Boil or whoever sent me her suspicions too." Zpilf wakes up with a loud yawn. The few that see his body poking out from behind Schezerade's broom notice a few potatoes still sticking to him, but otherwise there is nothing out of the ordinary. "Not ta mention," he rumbles, "there be quite a lot o' us, an' most o' us'll take more'n just one hit ta take down. Tha Days an' Nigh's 're already stretchin' ou'--tha situation'll get unbearably long if'n we don' trus' our instincts an' act when we need ta. Puttin' all tha actions in ta one centr'lized plan at one person's c'mmand'll just let tha kidney-people try an' subver' it, an' if we try an' go fer consensus...well, e'ryone knows tha' Heroes suck at agreein' at tha BEST o' times, let alone when some're tryin' ta kill us. We need ta do wha' we have ta do ta s'rvive."
Waterbrick Down Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "Okay, we're, like, totally on the same level here, Bones. I think it's a good idea we try and work together at, like, a reasonable level, such as this plan we've got goin' with the glass, but we need to at least, like, take action when we feel we need to, because, then, well, like, if we don't, then, like, well, we'll end up staring through the Magnifying Glass dusk 'til dawn 'til the Nifelheimrs put knives in our backs. I like your idea about ranged attacks, but, like, well, there's nothing stopping the Neflan from doing it, since they won't be spotted, right?" "And since I guess I forgot to mention it yesterday, Pauline Jill Boil or whoever sent me her suspicions too." {Not if we agree to not use spells or ranged attacks during the day without claiming to do so. That way if we see a ranged attack and everybody has agreed to either state their actions in the open, or say they will do nothing, we can pinpoint the attack on those who didn't do either. To take the example to an extreme if everyone states that they will not do anything except for one person and we then see a ranged attack, that ranged attack can be attributed to that one person.}
CMP Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 {Not if we agree to not use spells or ranged attacks during the day without claiming to do so. That way if we see a ranged attack and everybody has agreed to either state their actions in the open, or say they will do nothing, we can pinpoint the attack on those who didn't do either. To take the example to an extreme if everyone states that they will not do anything except for one person and we then see a ranged attack, that ranged attack can be attributed to that one person.} "Niflinin can just claim they won't and then do so anyway without any repercussions."
Duvors Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 (edited) "Look, I'm sorry tha' I've been an annoyance, I couldn't think clearly and was talking drivel tae such an extent tis a wonder ye didnae kill me on tha spot, frae now on I promise tha' I willnae say anythin' tha' doesnae help tha cause of th' hall, unless forced tae do otherwise." Edited August 29, 2013 by Lord Duvors
Brickdoctor Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "Daylight is wasting. When presented with facts you must admit that it does seem very likely that he is one of the fallen angels. If we sit around and do nothing then what will we have gained?" Oh, yes, suddenly it's "very likely". If you're going to be so certain about that and if you're going to criticize someone else for not doing anything, then at least do something about it yourself instead of being an inactive sheep. "I for one think everyone should do what they wanna do. We all have actions. And while listening and following the lead of Heroica Leaders would be pretty rad, we can't know if they are cool. A lot of harm can come from taking seed in the shadow of a giant tree, sooner or later, it will come crashing down on you man. The insistance of you wanting to keep everything a secret, and centralized, causes me to be slightly suspicious of you, Skrupp." I'm starting to agree with Scamander. This attempt at organization is going nowhere Today. We have but a few hours left and have yet to agree to anything resembling a coordinated attack. I have in past situations seen the power of a town core organized and carefully separated among different leaders in secret, and that was very effective, but in that situation and most other situations the core needs to form based on a few individuals that trust each other behind the scenes, not because of attempted organization in public. It may not be a bad thing to just let this play out without trying to further organize, because so far that's produced nothing but inaction and, for some heroes, confusion. Orc mage repeat things because that all hall know about. Luridan's scumminess is not even close to the only thing we know about. Just quickly from my notes, we've got: two individuals who stepped outside the Hall to apologize in discussion there, one who summarized and is very quick to be an obvious sheep, one who posted that he was catching up before he caught up to look more active and also knows what he's doing wrong but doesn't fix it, one who asked other individuals to tell him what happened, and one who handed Gold to another without much of a reason.
Duvors Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 (edited) I'm starting to agree with Scamander. This attempt at organization is going nowhere Today. We have but a few hours left and have yet to agree to anything resembling a coordinated attack. I have in past situations seen the power of a town core organized and carefully separated among different leaders in secret, and that was very effective, but in that situation and most other situations the core needs to form based on a few individuals that trust each other behind the scenes, not because of attempted organization in public. It may not be a bad thing to just let this play out without trying to further organize, because so far that's produced nothing but inaction and, for some heroes, confusion. "I trust Scamander's jugement on this, I've been on quests (read the quests he participates in) with him and he has a head fer these things." Edited August 29, 2013 by Lord Duvors
Sandy Posted August 29, 2013 Author Posted August 29, 2013 The Dragonlord walks around the Hall, checking that things are in order. "Three and a half hours till nightfall, everyone! If you want to do something in broad daylight, better start doing it."
Scorpiox Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "Retak... if ya' are gonna do somethin', ya' better do it now!"
CMP Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 "Retak... if ya' are gonna do somethin', ya' better do it now!" "I think he, like already is."
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