Mafia After Dark - Day 3: 25th Hour

[Palathadric]

Yes, and you know what? The investigator may as well not bother investigating until they get in that PM loop, since if they find scum, they would have to out themselves

Anyway, I'm done squabbling and being niggled with for now. You folks seem to know how to do it all, so I'll wait until the moon comes out, and we have actual concrete information before weighing in again

If the investigator finds scum then I wouldn't have a problem with him/her outing herself, taking a hit for the town in order to catch a scumster. However, you said you'd feel better having cleared him as town, suggesting that you would want the investigator to out his/herself in order to tell us if she discovered him to be town. Considering that he's not been particularly useful, I would hardly consider this worth wasting the investigator over.

...But perhaps I misunderstood you?

[Pandora]

A framer is not going to make a scum appear town. They do the opposite.

I know. That's why I mentioned tailor in that situation. And I mentioned framer being used by others or Dogukan as a possible suggestion for the result under the circumstances that Dogukan emerges with a scum reading.

Watchers do not make them appear town either.

I know that too. I was saying that if the investigator is gullible enough to go with your suggestion, then maybe it would be worth a punt to put a scum watcher (should there be one) on Dogukan for the purpose of discovering the investigator. I was giving examples of some of the various ways your suggestion was a bad one, in my opinion.

I never complained about you voicing opinions. I think it's a healthy idea. You complained about me voicing mine though. Nice how you tried to turn that around on me though

I didn't complain about you voicing your opinions. I'm glad you have some. I complained that it seemed odd that you (and subsequently two other people) seemed to be softly trying to manipulate our investigator. We could argue over the fine line between opinions of what's happening and opinions of what people should do, but I have no doubt that you can understand what I'm saying perfectly.

I am willing to assume the kill on Shane was SK or vig, based on the timing, unless Tam is greatly breaking from tradition. So, Bryon would tell us a lot about the votes and will make a huge difference if he comes up scum (not that you'd care, you've already decided on Dokugan). Shane, at the time of writing what you quoted, wouldn't have told us all that much, assuming he was a vig or SK kill. With the information Kristina has given, it will tell us something.

Firstly, I have not already decided on Dogukan, but you seem to wilfully ignore that point. Secondly, just because Shane may or may not have been killed by a vig or SK doesn't mean we wouldn't learn anything from his alignment even without the information Kristina has just brought to light. You really think it would tell us nothing (even without Kristina's information) if Shane flips scum tonight? Or flips SK? Or even flips town?

I'll niggle all I like while you continue to act so damn suspiciously, and I'm not leading anyone anywhere as you well know, I'm discussing things I find suspicious, which I kind of thought was the point here.

[Purpearljellyblob]

Out of curiosity, are you more or less suspicious of me since the person I believed to be scummy is now dead? And how exactly would I have any more information about such a thing than anyone else? If anything it stinks of a frame job to me. And a lazy one at that.

I was suspicious of you yesterday because it seemed to me that you had a soft finger point at Shane to make it look like you are 'doing something'. It's your behaviour, Colin, that caught my attention, nothing to do with Shane.

Just to clarify, Kristina, this Person A is a 'they'?

[Kristel]

Just to clarify, Kristina, this Person A is a 'they'?

Person A is an individual.

[Tamamono]

August 25th, 2005

New Brickland, Florida

Noon.

Coming back from her lunch break, Jamie Neville (jamesn) stands on the curb, waiting to cross the street, where she's going to be conducting another interview. She's brought along her trusty microphone - for luck!

Suddenly, a dark figure in a tuxedo addresses her, "Hey, aren't you Jamie Neville??" it asks, "Woah, I'm one of your biggest fans!"

"Ahaha, of course, my loyal peasant." Jamie says, brushing herself off, "I do get that a lot from your kind."

"Here, I have an extra Financial Times." says the figure, "Why don't you have it? I know you like that sort of thing - you could even read it while you cross the street!"

"Why, that's a splendid idea!" Jamie replies.

Stepping off the curb, Jamie begins to read her paper...

"Bye-bye, now!" the figure yells after her before laughing a quiet "Hyahaha!" to itself.

"Wait, why am I reading this while crossing the street?" Jamie wonders aloud, "That's dangerous!!"

Damn right it's dangerous.

And that is the end of poor Jamie Neville (jamesn).

~~~

24 hours remain until Sunset.

[Captain Nemo]

Well this situation is not good. There's another person dead just now, and we've still got some dead peoples whose allegiance is yet to be revealed. Although the death of Jamie seems to show that it's the same killer from day one--still the suit killer, so I feel like it’s a scum kill; and obviously it’s not the same type of kill as the strange Zombie killer.

Though to be honest, I'm more interested in the new information provided by Kristina than the predictable scum attack. Hopefully she has confided in the correct peoples, and is starting to create a strong town block; well at least a block that can be confirmed as town. Hopefully we'll all know more once we find out some allegiances of these people who were killed.

[CorneliusMurdock]

And that's why I never cross streets. Or read newspapers.

If my sister's tale is true, then it would seem to indicate Doggy's scumminess regardless of whether it was Shane or the mystery person that was also scum (though I'd lean toward Shane still being it). I'd be down with that lynch, then.

I was suspicious of you yesterday because it seemed to me that you had a soft finger point at Shane to make it look like you are 'doing something'. It's your behaviour, Colin, that caught my attention, nothing to do with Shane.

I already explained the "soft finger". It wasn't an attempt at appearing helpful, it was voicing my suspicion. That's what every one of us should do at the very least. I also made it clear that I was basing it off of mostly nothing, so I didn't feel comfortable with a vote at the time. Last whatever-the-last-period-of-time was, the behavior of Shane's that was giving me that funny feeling seemed to still be present, so I placed my vote.

After he was dead (or undead-ified?!), I didn't remove my vote because I didn't feel enthused about any other lynch candidate and it my vote wouldn't have changed anything that late in the day.

If it has nothing to do with Shane, what else is giving you the heebie jeebies about me?

[Cecilie]

Oh my, I see a lot has happened while I was out partying.

Kristina's revelation is bold, as it puts a potentially very useful role for us at risk. I really hope we have a protector who's paying attention, regardless if it's person A or not. But if it nets us a scum in Dogukan based on her revelation, it might just be worth the risk that she came out like that.

As for Jamie's death, I wonder what reasoning might lie behind that. If it was indeed the scum kill, why take out Jamie? It's certainly not a metagame kill, so what did they see in Jamie that was a threat? He defended Byron last night, although he did place the hammer vote to get him lynched (reluctantly it would seem). I guess I just really don't see what made him a good scum target, unless the scum have found out something about him, or they are trying to throw us off something. He did have a vote placed on Dokugan yesterday, could they have tried to silence him?

[Dragonator]

Apparently I'm too tired to talk tonight, but I'm not one for letting some scummy Ferrari drug me up and stop me from posting if I damn well want to post! You can't hold back my fabulousness!

I was doing my notes for the previous night, when Post 99 caught my attention, particularly this bit:

This is the only time I've mentioned Shane (post 21) over the last couple of days and nights:

Care to explain how this translates into "had such a bone to pick"? I've barely given him a second thought after that post.

Of course that post caught your attention madame, it was an attack against you. Naturally you have done well to try and deflect the intention behind my words by latching on to one statement and ignoring the rest, probably thinking I wouldn't be able to respond until the evening as I was instructed by our dear Don to go to bed and have a good rest. Well I say bugger that, we're finally potentially making some progress.

My bone picking was in reference to that very statement actually, and Shane's response to it, quoted below. I felt it strange that you wanted to bring that up, but then never even responded to his points. With your new role claim... well it is easy enough to prove I suppose, assuming you can keep contacting people, but it seems very strange that, conveniently, you talk to Shane, then he turns up dead, then I make one post criticising you, and then suddenly I'm instructed not to talk during the day. Coincidence perhaps? Framing? I'm not really sure now, but it smells very fishy to me all in all.

Our discussions so far today do seem a little inconsequential.

I wouldn't say that, I think we're starting to get some indications, small as they may be, of the way some of us think. That's always useful.

Interesting to note, as Jamie did, that Shane's comments tonight has driven the conversation. Similarly, the discussion around policy lynching on Night 1 started with Shane's comments about there not being much to do until we get some night action results.

The conversation today is driven largely by the events we've seen thus far, I don't see that as exclusive to my comments. As for that whole policy thing, that wasn't my conversation either and I honestly found it a little off the mark. A day 1 lynch is mostly random luck, whether it's based on whatever nonsense a policy lynch is. I don't even recall hearing the term prior to this situation, but I've been out of the business for a while. My only point was the random part, not the policy part.

As much as I would like to believe you are scum out to trick us though, if your role claim is true then I can see no way that could be the case. Unfortunately Shane cannot confirm your role for you, so the only other person who could at the moment is the mysterious Person A.

I'd like to take this opportunity, since my eyes are drooping and our Don is probably going to slap me on the wrist soon, to say that perhaps Shane's death came from Kristina blabbing that she was in contact with him to Person A? I can't really see any other motive for killing him, but that seems likely with the new information we now have. Kristina seems a little too hot headed to be scum, and has made a potentially ridiculous role claim if it is a fabrication, so I would want to shift attention to Person A, the one that knew about Shane before he was killed.

In conclusion, I do believe we've become a bit scrambled during the previous day, but I can assure you voting me off will just be a waste of tomorrow. It would be much more useful to focus our efforts on finding the scum that are likely working hard to deceive us, not on the poor tailor that was barely around. From the revelations today I do believe Person A would be a very good starting place.

I shall make any further responses this evening, as I had better nip back to bed before the powers that be decide to start tearing up my gorgeous garments to punish me. I'm used to being told off for my fabulous attire so I suppose I can stomach a warning.

[Peanuts]

Apparently I'm too tired to talk tonight, but I'm not one for letting some scummy Ferrari drug me up and stop me from posting if I damn well want to post! You can't hold back my fabulousness!

So you are too tired to post but you do so either way?

Either way, whether Shane or Person A is scum, both options seem to indicate Dogukan is as well. I didn't mind lynching him yesterday, so I won't mind tonight. If Shane comes up scum, I suppose it's likely Dogukan also is, and if Shane comes up town, I'd rather lynch him first than someone who claimed protector, so we can test Kristina's theory.

I thought Shane was a scum kill, but I wouldn't be sad if he turns out to be a Ferrari. But Jamie seems like an odd kill for the scum.

Also, I have to agree with Patricia that it's not wise to decide on an investigation target in here. I think we should trust on the judgement of our investigator here, unless they come in contact with our communications expert. While taylors are extremely rare (and unbalanced), framers are not and watchers are not unheard of either.

[Pandora]

I'm sad to see Jamie gone. In my eyes she was speaking reasonably and sensibly. I would agree that this seems to be the same killer that killed Donny, and the consistent nature (that this is the only kill we've seen twice) and choice of victim makes me now consider more that it might be a scum kill. I wonder if the scum made some assumptions based on recent revelations?

Apparently I'm too tired to talk tonight, but I'm not one for letting some scummy Ferrari drug me up and stop me from posting if I damn well want to post! You can't hold back my fabulousness!

....

probably thinking I wouldn't be able to respond until the evening as I was instructed by our dear Don to go to bed and have a good rest. Well I say bugger that, we're finally potentially making some progress.

....

I shall make any further responses this evening, as I had better nip back to bed before the powers that be decide to start tearing up my gorgeous garments to punish me. I'm used to being told off for my fabulous attire so I suppose I can stomach a warning.

Am I right in thinking you're saying you've been blocked from posting but you have anyway? And that in posting anyway the worst that will happen to you will be a warning? And you're also saying that the mode of you being stopped from talking (even though you haven't stopped talking) is by you being drugged? I can't see any burning information that you wanted to express to us that couldn't have waited until you were allowed to talk again, so why on earth did you feel so compelled to apparently disobey Uncle Tam's instructions?

I guess I can't expect an answer to that as you've supposedly been stopped from talking, but maybe you'll hear this tonight and you'll be able to answer then.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

Where are my children? Have any of them died? Somebody get me caught up here please.

If the investigator finds scum then I wouldn't have a problem with him/her outing herself, taking a hit for the town in order to catch a scumster.

Ping.

[Chillax Darth Frodo]

I'm too old and bald for this. Instead of reading for myself, who would like to tell me:

1. Is it day? Is it night? What gives? Why don't we know the allegiances of the dead people?

2. Who is person A? I briefly skimmed the day to see what's-her-bucket's revelation but don't see it.

3. Um...I'm sure I'm confused about something else but I can't remember what. Maybe it was why people are using the word niggling. What an awful word.

4. Why does our host have erectile dysfunction?

Am I not supposed to be writing here? Am I breaking some rules? Can God unlock the other day threads so people can directly quote? What's going on? What's going on?

[Tamamono]

“Stop fooling around - it's time for the night meeting!"