def Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 What brains trust would this be? I'm not putting a lot of faith in my own judgement at the moment. Braintrust would be the people you are in contact with already. I assume you made contact with another last night? Either could be scum, but you might get something by hearing out their opinions.
TrumpetKing Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 That's...incredibly contrived. And it doesn't make much sense. According to Kristina she told Person A she had been talking to Shane. Where does Shane being a communications expert come in? And wouldn't it be an astounding coincidence if one expert contacts the other, assuming we even have two such roles? As I understood it, Person A might have told Dogukan that Kristina had talked to Shane accusing him and Dogukan used this against Kristina in public. If so, Person A and Dogukan are scum. I guess it's worth looking into. If Dogukan comes up scum, we have a suspect. If Dogukan comes up town, we have a claimed protector cleared. I interpreted that Person A had known prior to Kristina's message that she had contact with Person A. Kristina, may we please get some clarification? Kristina, may we please get some clarification? Dammit, didn't see that I posted it again.
Cecilie Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 I interpreted that Person A had known prior to Kristina's message that she had contact with Person A. That sentence made absolutely no sense to me, why would Person A not know about being in contact with Kristina before she told everyone else about it . Have you been drinking? Kristina, may we please get some clarification? Kristina, may we please get some clarification? echo echo echo
Chillax Darth Frodo Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 In the past, a really smart person PMed everybody to get an idea of their top three suspects for Scum. Since we can't try that in this situation, let's just all rank our suspicions and see how we match up. And let's all do it. Whoever doesn't want to is clearly Scum. 1. Pudgy Peter 2. Terrence 3. Dogfoodcan I don't care if they are all in the same group of Associates. Pudgy Peter is just a gut instinct. I basically don't like that he suggested there was a Cult. Scum often try to scare and confuse and suggesting there's a Cult is always a good way to do both. Terrence is just fluffily repeating what others have already concluded while Dogfoodcan was doing the same but now claims to have been blocked from talking (will he have a penalty when voting starts?) and is never fun to accuse since he stops in once every 36 hours and pretty much wastes the day for the Town since we can't discover much waiting for him to answer accusations. Penelope seems a bit Scummy too and we haven't heard much from Adelaide. At least not that left an impression on me. I need to look more closely at the first couple of days but don't know when I will have time to do so. Let's check at the crowd followers who are hanging near the middle of the pack for conversation and voting. We have to be active and talk. Nobody is doing the work for us behind the scenes. What if Kristina and Dogfoodcan are both making up the sleepiness (farfetched, I know, but we have to work and think here)? We have to talk and be active. In this case, the only way we'll catch people up is by drawing people out to converse. I would like to know everyone's top three suspicions and why and if you're Scum, make sure you put at least one real Scum in your list, so when we get you, we can analyze. Or maybe accuse your whole team, or all Town, what tactic will you choose? WIFOM? Come on. I'm the patriarch of this family and I demand it! Everyone should do this before voting starts.
Cecilie Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 What if Kristina and Dogfoodcan are both making up the sleepiness (farfetched, I know, but we have to work and think here)? I really don't see the purpose of Kristina's move outing herself as a communications expert like that and drawing so much attention to herself if she were scum... But then again.... Agh, no, don't make me more paranoid than I already am, damnit! I believe Kristina to be town at this point. As for a list, well, there's not really that much we have to go on here, but I guess if I had to pick a top 3 right now it would be: 1. Doĝukan (damnit, wrong way with the accent thingy...) - I didn't find him particularly scummy until Kristina's story (just non-contributing...), although Shane turning up town casts some doubt on it all. But the way he just "had to" speak while claiming he was silenced comes off as a bit too desperate for my taste, so he gets top spot on my list for now. And where is he now, anyway? 2. Terrence (no, I'm not just flipping Bernard's list upside down, I swear ) - it's the way he just doesn't seem to be his usual active townie self. I guess I'm metagame-suspecting him 3. Uhm... third spot is hard, I could pick from a number of low-contributors here, but I think I'll go with Adelaide. Something about her, can't quite put my finger on it. I guess it's my gut feeling No, really, we need more discussion. It has been too quiet in here. We need to step up our game!
Chillax Darth Frodo Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Candy, why did you have no comment? Everyone, Candy stopped by and read my demand for the top three suspicions and left without posting. Scummy?? Likewise Cebastiane was here when I first posted the question and just answered now. Cebastiane, you call for us to discuss. Well, you have that power too. What would you like to discuss? You have 2.5 suspicions listed. Who else amongst the lurkers do you find suspicious and why? Any other gut feelings? Isn't lynching lurkers the best way to play into the Scum's hands? The last couple of games I played, the lurkers were mostly Town. Maybe in this game where we can't talk by PM, the lurkers are all Scum, that's possible, but what were you thinking when you posted that?
Cecilie Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Likewise Cebastiane was here when I first posted the question and just answered now. Cebastiane, you call for us to discuss. Well, you have that power too. What would you like to discuss? You have 2.5 suspicions listed. Who else amongst the lurkers do you find suspicious and why? Any other gut feelings? Isn't lynching lurkers the best way to play into the Scum's hands? The last couple of games I played, the lurkers were mostly Town. Maybe in this game where we can't talk by PM, the lurkers are all Scum, that's possible, but what were you thinking when you posted that? I was where when you posted your question? I only saw it about an hour ago or so, and took some time to think about what has been said and done and made my list. After I made my previous post, I was busy doing other things and didn't come back here until recently. I want discussion, yes, because mostly everyone has been lurkers up until now, heck I'll even admit that I have been, and I'm not proud of it, but I've had some partying business to take care of. I'm pretty sure there are both townies and scum among the lurkers. With the amount of contributions having been as low as it has up until now, it's been very easy for everyone to be a lurker without having a lower post count than average, and thus particularly standing out. What I meant by saying "picking from a number of low-contributors" is exactly that. From the remaining players, a few have been at least seeming to try hard to help town, and they have not struck me as scummy, leaving only a huge pile of low-contributors to pick from for spot number 3. In competition with Adelaide for third spot, I had Penelope, partly for the same reason as Terrance, but to a lesser degree as I don't remember her as quite as active as Terrance, Candy for seeming to just pop in every now and then to make some comments about the most recent events and then disappearing again (but I don't know her, so I don't know if that's her usual style) and Rolfe for some thing he said about being shocked Byron flipped town. It wasn't exactly a strong lynch, but seeing as he seemed to at least try to get something out of that night, he doesn't get the third spot either. I also thought about how I feel Colin came out strong on our first night, but then has seemed to provide less and less interesting comments as time has gone on. But as it stands, I feel Dogukan's lynch is the only one I'd support right now, unless more people show up to help shed some light on our predicament. I never suggested lynching a lurker either, I just provided my top 3 list of people I'm keeping an eye on. And don't think you're off my radar either Bernard, the way you've jumped in head first, trying to get us to smooch up to you as always... You're not fooling me anymore! Guh, wall of text monologue... I hate monologues. It's much more interesting to have discussions! Can't do that alone, can I?
Chillax Darth Frodo Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Yes, bring on the scrutiny, no problem, as long as there's talking. Talk it up, bitches? Am I Scummy? What do you think? Is Colin contributing less because Shane is dead and he's Scum and he needs to lie low now? Why is Candy so slutty? Let's go. Talk talk talk talk talk talk talk! I demand that you all talk! Yes, I am the patriarch and you will all "smooch up" to me! Mwahahahahahahaha!
Captain Nemo Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Sorry I don't have time to stop and post every second of the day. Some of us have jobs during the night working the street corners grandpa; and I don't have time to write fluffy posts like you do. By your logic, anyone who reads the posts but does not immediatly post themselves is scummy? Really? Anyways, , I've got my list of potential scum/suspects that you asked demanded for. 1) Like many (As we've discussed during day), Doğukan is #1 on my list. He's been rather strange, and seems to only comment once. And then there's the whole Kristina/Communications thing, as well as the strange rule break of the "scum silence" or whatever it's called/does. 2) Second on my list is Penelope. She's been on my radar for a good amount of time, for acting strange in her posts. As I said before it's really a gut thing with her, so while I cannot prove anything, she's just still on my list. 3) Kristina. Yeah, I admit it, I'm suspicous of her. The communication thing is strange and new to me, plus it seems to go against the purpose of this game life. It's also strange to me that there's really no one to dispute it or at least add more info to it besides this "Person A" (Who we still don't know of), the dead Shane, and the non-talking Doğukan. I don't know if it's just some crazy scum plot, or an actual occurance of strange events, but I cannot trust her as perfect town because of it. ----- Yes, bring on the scrutiny, no problem, as long as there's talking. Talk it up, bitches? Am I Scummy? What do you think? Is Colin contributing less because Shane is dead and he's Scum and he needs to lie low now? Why is Candy so slutty? Let's go. Talk talk talk talk talk talk talk! I demand that you all talk! Yes, I am the patriarch and you will all "smooch up" to me! Mwahahahahahahaha! You are so rude. And if I remember what an uncle of my said once, the first scum was the one who kept insulting people.
Cecilie Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Yes, bring on the scrutiny, no problem, as long as there's talking. Talk it up, bitches? Am I Scummy? What do you think? Is Colin contributing less because Shane is dead and he's Scum and he needs to lie low now? Why is Candy so slutty? Let's go. Talk talk talk talk talk talk talk! I demand that you all talk! Yes, I am the patriarch and you will all "smooch up" to me! Mwahahahahahahaha! I bet you're bulletproof too, right?
Adam Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Hello guys! I'm sorry about being so silent during the daytime; I was unusually sleepy, so Tam suggested that I should rest up during the day and save myself for the night's discussion. Or maybe he just wanted me to save myself for a little nighttime fun. If what Dogukan (Dragonator) said about being sleepy is true (and, as others have pointed out, I'm not sure why he would lie), then it appears that there are at least two ways for people to become sleepy during the day (we can call them talk-blockers for the time being). In fact, I'm positive he's telling the truth about that, because the only other person to have talked about being talk-blocked is Kristiana (Kristel), who never mentioned a warning in her posts. What I, and from what I'm hearing tonight, others as well, don't understand is why Dogukan (Dragonator) would get out of bed during the daytime when Tam expressly told him not to. I'm not sure what happened with Dogukan (Dragonator), but Tam informed me of my lethargy in private, explaining that violating his wishes would result in my first warning. As I understood it, Person A might have told Dogukan that Kristina had talked to Shane accusing him and Dogukan used this against Kristina in public. If so, Person A and Dogukan are scum. This is also my understanding now that Shane (Shadows) has flipped town. One of the driving suspicions behind both Shane (Shadows) and Dogukan (Dragonator) during the day was that the two of them had to be scum buddies, because how else could Dogukan (Dragonator) have known about the pressure Kristina (Kristel) was placing on Shane (Shadows)? As I understand it, those two men have been friends for a long time, and are known to do things like play video games together, so I guess it's possible that Shane (Shadows) slipped up and talked to Dogukan (Dragonator) behind the scenes. Dad, I'd be very happy to put together a list of suspects. I wouldn't say this is in any particular order of most scummy to least scummy, but they're my top three at the moment. 1. Dogukan (Dragonator): There is no way to deny that there is something going on with him. I don't know how he learned about the pressure that Kristina (Kristel) was putting on Shane (Shadows), but however it happened, there was almost certainly something scummy involved. Then of course there's the question of why he violated my husband's wishes earlier today. From where I stand there are three primary possibilities: either Dogukan (Dragonator) and Person A are scum buddies, Shane (Shadows) slipped up and told him by accident, or Dogukan (Dragonator) has some kind of ability which could let him eavesdrop or something. 2. Terrance (TrumpetKing): I would agree with the others who have raised suspicions about him tonight - his posts have been waffly and full of hot air. Leave it to a lawyer to talk and talk without saying anything. Goddamn lawyers... I also admit that there's a bit of metagaming involved in my suspicions. His ancestor acted much the same in an old western town. 3. Cap'n Rolfe (Capt. Redblade): He took my vote last night, and I'm still suspicious of him now. First I was put off by his irrationality and aggression on the first night, when he pounced on dear Jamie (jamesn), God rest her soul, for opposing the policy lynch idea. He also kicked off the vote against Byron (Bob), which to me feels like an easy scum bandwagon. I've known Byron (Bob) and his ancestors long enough to know that his MO is to post very little and vote for someone without much explanation, often referencing a gut feeling. Hell, I would have been much more suspicious of him had he provided detailed and thorough explanations for his votes. In my opinion, voting for him and "expecting" a scum outcome is either lazy or scummy - Byron (Bob) is always confused townie, or misunderstood town.
Chillax Darth Frodo Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 You are so rude. And if I remember what an uncle of my said once, the first scum was the one who kept insulting people. And who have I insulted? Point out where please. Hypersensitivity and being easily offended by imagined slights are a sure sign that you are Scum. And learn how to take a joke, too as that post you've quoted is clearly meant in jest with no way to misinterpret that.
Cecilie Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Hello guys! I'm sorry about being so silent during the daytime; I was unusually sleepy, so Tam suggested that I should rest up during the day and save myself for the night's discussion. Or maybe he just wanted me to save myself for a little nighttime fun. That's interesting. Especially since we have no tellings of a second person being silenced on the first day. I guess it's plausible that both scum and town have a silencer, although it seems like an odd town action to have... I can't imagine it's the only effect of the action in that case, more likely it's the side effect of another action, like a block. Or either you or Dogukan is lying about having been silenced
Captain Nemo Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 And who have I insulted? Point out where please. Hypersensitivity and being easily offended by imagined slights are a sure sign that you are Scum. And learn how to take a joke, too as that post you've quoted is clearly meant in jest with no way to misinterpret that. Hey, hey, hey...get this right gramps...I'm not a slut...I'm a sophisticated lady of the night. And yes, jokes can easily be misinterpreted. Anyways, you do want people to talk, talk, talk, so we should fill that talk with jokes? Isn't there better things to be talking about? ---- That's interesting. Especially since we have no tellings of a second person being silenced on the first day. I guess it's plausible that both scum and town have a silencer, although it seems like an odd town action to have... I can't imagine it's the only effect of the action in that case, more likely it's the side effect of another action, like a block. Or either you or Dogukan is lying about having been silenced This makes sense; though the silence ability seems a bit strange. It's not something that can be confirmed well, and I have to agree that it could be possible that Dogukan is lying about his; though if Tam only warned for his "first offense" then it's possible he broke it to speak--though like always he didn't add much to the conversation, nor has he returned since.
Chillax Darth Frodo Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Slut is not an insult, it's a resume builder. OK, so we have claims of two people being talk-blocked during the same day period. Any claims that there were three? I wonder if the talk blocking has another side effect or if the people doing it are learning anything. What I mean is, is the talk-blocking the side effect of another Action like framing or conversion or blocking or watching or etceteraing... And Candy, you're clearly a slut.
CorneliusMurdock Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 First, let me say that, yes, I realize that my contributions have been spotty in the last couple time periods. It was beyond my control. Sometimes they don't let me out of that rubber room and it takes me a while to escape. I promise to practice picking that particular lock and contribute more. My top suspects (besides the ostrich [stop looking at me, damn it!]): 1 Dog-face Doggy Dog- Because of Kristina's information leak. Best lead we've had so far. 2 Cap'n Rolfe- a fashion nightmare. Vocal but pointing in the wrong direction mostly. 3 the Cop Talbott- Get a haircut, hippy! Just a feeling but I was wrong about Shane before, so.... But really, I think it's either Doggy or the Ostrich we should lynch today.
Adam Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 What I mean is, is the talk-blocking the side effect of another Action like framing or conversion or blocking or watching or etceteraing... This would definitely be my guess. The wording of the message Tam sent to me, which I unfortunately cannot quote here, implies that the people too tired to talk are also too tired to perform actions during the daytime. Also, Kristina (Kristel) mentioned that she was "blocked" yesterday, so I'm leaning towards the idea that my sleepiness was caused by a blocker. Of course, it's very possible that the no-talking rule is also the side effect of some other type of role, like you mentioned. And I guess it's also possible that there is a role which solely blocks day discussion. Furthermore, Dogukan (Dragonator) or Kristina (Kristel) might have gotten a different message than I did, so I can't speak for them. Kristina (Kristel) and Dogukan (Dragonator), did your sleepy messages imply that you couldn't perform actions?
Chillax Darth Frodo Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 First, let me say that, yes, I realize that my contributions have been spotty in the last couple time periods. It was beyond my control. Sometimes they don't let me out of that rubber room and it takes me a while to escape. I promise to practice picking that particular lock and contribute more. My top suspects (besides the ostrich [stop looking at me, damn it!]): 1 Dog-face Doggy Dog- Because of Kristina's information leak. Best lead we've had so far. 2 Cap'n Rolfe- a fashion nightmare. Vocal but pointing in the wrong direction mostly. 3 the Cop Talbott- Get a haircut, hippy! Just a feeling but I was wrong about Shane before, so.... But really, I think it's either Doggy or the Ostrich we should lynch today. OK, so you're obviously Scum. Got it, thanks. Anybody else care to blatantly implicate themselves with a similarly Scummy post?
Kristel Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Agree. This is what I got out of the situation, as well as Kritina's own words on the matter yesterday. We need to know who this Person A is; since it's likely that they are the one's who talked, to a possible scum Dogukan, and therefore Person A is themselves a scum. Once we know person A, and we can tie some loose strings there, we can better choose or choose with more confidence, who to lynch tonight. How do you propose that knowing Person A's identity will help at this point? I know I misread Shadows, but I do believe this Person A is town. I appreciate that, if Person A is town and didn't talk to Dogukan (as Person A claimed), this implies that Dogukan did base his accusation on just that one minor post or he had some other way of knowing the nature of the discussions between Shane and I. Braintrust would be the people you are in contact with already. I know that, I was just having a go at myself. I interpreted that Person A had known prior to Kristina's message that she had contact with Person A. More nonsense from Terrence. I would like to know everyone's top three suspicions and why .... I'm happy to play along: 1. Dogukan - for the obvious reasons 2. Terrence - for not being helpful with his fluffy posts and the fact he's not his usual talkative self. 3. Adelaide - not the biggest lurker, but what she has said hasn't been helpful That's interesting. Especially since we have no tellings of a second person being silenced on the first day. I guess it's plausible that both scum and town have a silencer, although it seems like an odd town action to have... I can't imagine it's the only effect of the action in that case, more likely it's the side effect of another action, like a block. Or either you or Dogukan is lying about having been silenced I assumed in my case it was the effect of a block, but the note from Tam didn't mention that. It just said that I was tired and thought it best to sleep during the day. A block action is what made sense to me since my action is effectively the ability to talk, and I was stopped from talking for 48 hours - both through PM and in the thread.
Capt. Redblade Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 I'll give my list of suspicions now. 1) Doğ the Bounty Hunter - the reasons should be obvious, seein' as everyone and their grandma's repeated them. Between Doğ-and-pony-show over there and Kristina's mysterious contacts, something definitely ain't right. 2) Person A. I don't know who he or she is, but Kristina says they're the only other one who could've known about her being suspicious of Shane. If Shane didn't talk to Doğ-leg - and I don't buy into the "two Communication Experts" theory that someone floated (might even have been Doğ himself, I'm not sure) - then either Person A did or Doğ is just scarily, superhumanly perceptive, which I doubt. I know Kristina doesn't like the possibility, but if we lynch Doğ and he flips scum, we'll have to look at Person A. 3) I wasn't too sure who to put here for a while, but this post caught my eye: I wonder who killed Shane. That sounds like a scum kill, to be honest. Shane wasn't a person who is likely to attract an SK. Even though hatchets are traditionally SK weapons, I'd guess the real SK (or a vig) killed Donny and Shane was murdered by the scum. I think by this point we'd all agreed the tuxedo killer was probably the scum killer, so why did Peter seem to think otherwise? Was he trying to deflect suspicion away from the SK? Unless some bizarre celestial alignment occurs to bring radical new information to light, I think I'm going to vote for Old-Doğ-New-Tricks. He's got a big ol' question mark floating over his head right now, and question marks cannot go unattended. Whether he's scum or not could help us decide what to do in the coming days.
def Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 I have to go to work. An enforcers day is never done. I'll weigh in in more detail when time opens up, but for now I can say that my three are Dogukan, Terrance and Penelope. But, the reasons I found Penelope suspicious for are drying up. I can't tell if she just took my finger-pointing as a guide on how to behave less scummy.
Pandora Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 A few things. What?? Shane was a Malone? So is Dogukan or Dokugan or Dogfoodan still the optimal lynch then? The more I think about it I'm thinking it's possible Shane was another Communications Expert, and that's how Person A and Dogukan found out about Shane speaking to Kristina. That's the scenario that's first popping into my head, and it seems to make sense, at least to me, but it doesn't make sense that Shane and Kristina would have been able to link themselves to Person A. Sounds like "do you still want to lynch Dogfood or can we lynch someone else instead?" and additionally as others have said, I really find it hard to believe that they could both be town communications experts. This sounds scummy to me. Huh. I was wrong. Wasn't expecting that. I don't see how this affects Doggy, though. He still had information he shouldn't have. It just means his accomplice wasn't Shane. Did he have information he shouldn't have? It was all presumption wasn't it? Are we even still sure Hound Doğ is scum? This also sounds like a "do we really have to lynch Dogfood?" to me, and thus scummy. I'd really like to hear Kritina's interpretation of events..... as well as Kritina's own words on the matter.... What a coincidence. The thing that still sticks out to me is how people who seemed to be calling us forth to talk and vote and lynch all of a sudden did a complete U-turn and thought it was a marvellous idea to post in the thread that the investigator should investigate Dogfood. Not because he'd been helpful. Not because he claimed a role - we didn't see him do so, and we know there's no private whispering for town, except for a Communications Expert. Suddenly, we should investigate first, in the most unhelpful way, with the least chance of getting any sort of reliable result and running the full risk of exposing an investigator, and lynch later. Couple that with Dogfood's strange posting yesterday, and his inability or lack of will to answer any questions posed to him. For that, my top three four are currently Dogfood, Dexter, Colin and Rolfe. I'm half tempted to lump Terrance and Candy in there too, but you (Chillax Darth Grandad) only asked for three and I've already exceeded that quota.
Palathadric Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Interestingly enough, I'd have an eye out on all of the current "associates" of the family. Not all of them make my list though. Dogukan is certainly on it. He's said nothing of worth and hasn't even tried to appear helpful. The only times he's really talked was to defend himself. I don't really know if I can list the two next people I find the most scummy, but I can tell you that my list looks pretty similar to what Patricia gave us.
Pandora Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Are we even still sure Hound Doğ is scum? I'll give my list of suspicions now. 1) Doğ the Bounty Hunter - the reasons should be obvious, seein' as everyone and their grandma's repeated them. Between Doğ-and-pony-show over there and Kristina's mysterious contacts, something definitely ain't right. ..... Unless some bizarre celestial alignment occurs to bring radical new information to light, I think I'm going to vote for Old-Doğ-New-Tricks. He's got a big ol' question mark floating over his head right now, and question marks cannot go unattended. Whether he's scum or not could help us decide what to do in the coming days. What changed, Rolfe?..... I have to go to work. An enforcers day is never done. I'll weigh in in more detail when time opens up, but for now I can say that my three are Dogukan, Terrance and Penelope. .... Or are we witnessing a bussing?
Palathadric Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 The Great Byron (Bob) - 9 (Capt. Redblade, Trumpetking, def, Palathadric, Cecilie, Purpearljellyblob, Pandora, Kristel, jamesn) Cap'n Rolfe (Capt. Redblade) - 3 (Adam, Captain Nemo, Peanuts) Doğukan Akbulut (Dragonator) - 1 (Bob) A dead person (Shadows) - 1 (CorneliusMurdock) Kristina Malone (Kristel) - 1 (Dragonator) Oddly enough, most of my suspects did not end up voting for Byron.
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